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	<title>Comments on: McCain Pushes Free Trade Deal Supported By Campaign Aide/Lobbyist For Foreign Government</title>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/19/mccain-pushes-free-trade-deal-supported-by-campaign-aidelobbyist-for-foreign-government/#comment-1452822</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Would you agree that if we decide that it’s a rule that the supers must vote the same as what the public has voted for declared delegates, then their vote is TOTALLY POINTLESS?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Must vote” and “should vote” are two different concepts. The Super Delegates were introduced to act as an emergency valve to cope with some critical emergency with a particular candidate. Actually they were a retention of the old selection system that was rapidly being swallowed up by a hodge-podge caucus and primary system in the late 1960’s. The problem then was that candidates would only run in a handful of selected states rather than compete nationally. They’d pick and choose which states to compete in…then come to the convention…bargain for the delegates of the drop-outs or ‘favorite sons” and win the nomination.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now every state has either a caucus or primary, and the caucuses are much more open. Candidates pretty much have to compete in every State.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I’d say that under the current rules every “super delegate” has the right to vote counter to the popular vote, the elected delegate vote, and just about any other measure of whom the overall participating electorate wants…they certainly should place considerable weight on “the will of the people”. They have an ethical responsibility to do that if not a strictly legal one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Otherwise they could just as easily vote for McCain…or sell their vote for a $1 million (probably nothing in the law or rules against THAT either).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would you agree that if we decide that it’s a rule that the supers must vote the same as what the public has voted for declared delegates, then their vote is TOTALLY POINTLESS?</p>
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<p>“Must vote” and “should vote” are two different concepts. The Super Delegates were introduced to act as an emergency valve to cope with some critical emergency with a particular candidate. Actually they were a retention of the old selection system that was rapidly being swallowed up by a hodge-podge caucus and primary system in the late 1960’s. The problem then was that candidates would only run in a handful of selected states rather than compete nationally. They’d pick and choose which states to compete in…then come to the convention…bargain for the delegates of the drop-outs or ‘favorite sons” and win the nomination.</p>
<p>Now every state has either a caucus or primary, and the caucuses are much more open. Candidates pretty much have to compete in every State.</p>
<p>While I’d say that under the current rules every “super delegate” has the right to vote counter to the popular vote, the elected delegate vote, and just about any other measure of whom the overall participating electorate wants…they certainly should place considerable weight on “the will of the people”. They have an ethical responsibility to do that if not a strictly legal one.</p>
<p>Otherwise they could just as easily vote for McCain…or sell their vote for a $1 million (probably nothing in the law or rules against THAT either).</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/19/mccain-pushes-free-trade-deal-supported-by-campaign-aidelobbyist-for-foreign-government/#comment-1452806</link>
		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No turnout- it’s all  vote by mail. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s all over in Oregon- we just don’t know the result.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No turnout- it’s all  vote by mail. </p>
<p>It’s all over in Oregon- we just don’t know the result.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/19/mccain-pushes-free-trade-deal-supported-by-campaign-aidelobbyist-for-foreign-government/#comment-1452803</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are two other recently released polls that are showing the trends going just the opposite direction.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=121064144749596700&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Portland Tribune Poll&lt;/a&gt; shows Obama up by double digits in Oregon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=94e9005d-d8d6-46e2-b09a-697a4e23a900&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Survey USA&lt;/a&gt; shows it just about ten point difference, but with those that are submitting later votes going overwhelmingly to Obama. As well it shows that women and men of all age groups and educational classes are shifting to Obama. Hillary still holds women over 65…but Obama has massive support in younger age-groups in Oregon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suspect turnout may make a difference in the differential tomorrow…and that turnout will be heavier IF Clinton looks to be winning big in Kentucky. The time delay between the results being announced may play a role in what happens in Oregon as far as turnout.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two other recently released polls that are showing the trends going just the opposite direction.<a href="http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=121064144749596700" rel="nofollow">Portland Tribune Poll</a> shows Obama up by double digits in Oregon.</p>
<p>While <a href="http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=94e9005d-d8d6-46e2-b09a-697a4e23a900" rel="nofollow">Survey USA</a> shows it just about ten point difference, but with those that are submitting later votes going overwhelmingly to Obama. As well it shows that women and men of all age groups and educational classes are shifting to Obama. Hillary still holds women over 65…but Obama has massive support in younger age-groups in Oregon.</p>
<p>I suspect turnout may make a difference in the differential tomorrow…and that turnout will be heavier IF Clinton looks to be winning big in Kentucky. The time delay between the results being announced may play a role in what happens in Oregon as far as turnout.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/19/mccain-pushes-free-trade-deal-supported-by-campaign-aidelobbyist-for-foreign-government/#comment-1452697</link>
		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hard to be two-faced in a connected world!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nice, justaposition of links, btw.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to be two-faced in a connected world!</p>
<p>nice, justaposition of links, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I give it a try! Handy for all those petitions i sign that has a second page for share with your contacts &gt;:]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since switching from mac to linux I now use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.claws-mail.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;claws-mail&lt;/a&gt;. Works great with gmail IMAP but i’ve no idea how it handles contacts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give it a try! Handy for all those petitions i sign that has a second page for share with your contacts &gt;:]</p>
<p>Since switching from mac to linux I now use <a href="http://www.claws-mail.org/" rel="nofollow">claws-mail</a>. Works great with gmail IMAP but i’ve no idea how it handles contacts.</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/19/mccain-pushes-free-trade-deal-supported-by-campaign-aidelobbyist-for-foreign-government/#comment-1452695</link>
		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Take a look at this &lt;a href=&quot;http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED/05-2008/Article-20080519-01c9b60f-c0a8-10ed-01e2-5c732be1d561/story.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; and this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10214497.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one…&lt;/a&gt;    for starters!  ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at this <a href="http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED/05-2008/Article-20080519-01c9b60f-c0a8-10ed-01e2-5c732be1d561/story.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> and this <a href="http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10214497.html" rel="nofollow">one…</a>    for starters!  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;amen!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/19/mccain-pushes-free-trade-deal-supported-by-campaign-aidelobbyist-for-foreign-government/#comment-1452692</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and i should update the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.netrootsmass.net/Congressional_Hearings/files/Congress_Contacts_Representatives_vCards.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vCards for the Representatives&lt;/a&gt; - there’s been some changes since i did them last fall.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i don’t know if anyone has imported them into gmail yet - mostly, i think just for desktop apps. if it works, let me know and i’ll post and update.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i should update the <a href="http://www.netrootsmass.net/Congressional_Hearings/files/Congress_Contacts_Representatives_vCards.html" rel="nofollow">vCards for the Representatives</a> &#8211; there’s been some changes since i did them last fall.</p>
<p>i don’t know if anyone has imported them into gmail yet &#8211; mostly, i think just for desktop apps. if it works, let me know and i’ll post and update.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it is most important.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is most important.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Selise and CT Tuttle -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senator Collins may ‘appear’ to be all strong at this hearing - her opponent is breathing down her neck and showing youtube to Mainers about how soft she was on Iraq Contractors,  Her lead is down to 10 pts and falling&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/16/susan-collins-halliburtons-essential-senator/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Halliburton’s Essential Senator&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise and CT Tuttle -</p>
<p>Senator Collins may ‘appear’ to be all strong at this hearing &#8211; her opponent is breathing down her neck and showing youtube to Mainers about how soft she was on Iraq Contractors,  Her lead is down to 10 pts and falling</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/16/susan-collins-halliburtons-essential-senator/" rel="nofollow">Halliburton’s Essential Senator</a></p>
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