A clinic in Nigeria. Photo by Michael Williamson, WaPo
As if invading another nation under false pretenses weren't bad enough, I think most Americans believed their descent into the cesspool of global monstrousness -- the alienation of the United States from basic norms of international law and human decency -- had really reached its nadir with the official adoption of torture as acceptable government policy.
But no, it continues to get worse. Now we are in the process of adopting medical-testing practices on human subjects that are straight out of the Nazi handbook.
Bush's FDA has just announced that it is going to scrap American participation in the Declaration of Helsinki -- the major international accord on ethical principles guiding physicians and other participants in medical research on human subjects. This isn't a decision involving mere medical bureaucracy -- it in fact clears the way for ethics-free drug testing, especially beyond American borders, and it means people will die, sometimes horribly.
The shift in policy now makes it possible for American drug companies to conduct tests on human subjects (most often in Third World nations) wherein victims of particular diseases can, in the course of testing, be administered pure placebos that do nothing to help them fight those diseases, while being told they're undergoing treatment. (The longstanding standards required such tests to administer the acknowledged standard treatment as the placebo.)
The new rule, which goes into effect next October, was pushed by drug and device manufacturers, but opposed by numerous public interest, patient advocacy, and consumer groups. The Declaration of Helsinki "is the standard-bearer for international research ethics and enjoys particular respect in the developing world," said Peter Lurie, deputy director of Public Citizen's Health Research Group. Its rejection is "in line with other U.S. efforts to flout international mores."
... The change is likely to push more clinical trials abroad, where an estimated 35 percent of all trials submitted to the FDA in new drug applications now take place. Unlike trials conducted in the U.S., companies do not have to submit an investigative new drug application (IND) to the FDA before beginning research in foreign countries. The FDA estimates about 575 of the foreign trials submitted to the agency each year as part of new drug applications do not go through the IND process. The FDA rejected the notion that adopting the self-regulating GCP standard and eliminating references to the Helsinki Declaration "will hurt subjects in developing countries or result in less protection for subjects in foreign studies."
Back in 2001, the Washington Post ran a heartbreaking and devastating series about the consequences of these kinds of practices, titled "The Body Hunters." It's a problem that exposure, obviously, did little to curtail.
Over at PAL, Sonia Shah, the author of a book on the subject, also titled The Body Hunters, discussed the consequences of the FDA's decision at length:
With hardly a word in the mainstream press, the FDA has gutted the rules restraining drug companies from exploiting clinical trial subjects in developing countries.
With 80 percent of clinical trials failing to recruit sufficient numbers of test subjects on deadline, drug companies increasingly export their trials to developing countries, where sick, undertreated patients abound. It’s faster, it’s cheaper, and it’s easier to conduct the placebo-controlled trials that companies and the FDA prefer. There is precious little oversight of these trials.
Unlike for domestic trials, the FDA does not require advance notice before drug companies take their trials outside US borders. And with 90 percent of trials failing to gain FDA approval, a massive number of trials are conducted, fail, and then vanish with no agency review at all—and little public record, if any at all.
Until now, the FDA’s sole requirement for these overseas trials is that they adhere to the Declaration of Helsinki (or local rules, on the off-chance that they are more stringent). Signed by the United States and 34 other countries in 1975, the Declaration of Helsinki consists of several dozen pithy principles to govern ethical research on humans, and is widely considered the gold-standard in research ethics. Crafted and updated by the World Medical Association, a group representing dozens of national physicians’ organizations from around the globe, the Declaration of Helsinki (DOH) urges that participants’ voluntary informed consent be obtained, that independent committees to review and oversee trials be used, that investigators prioritize their subjects’ well-being, that research subjects be assured access to the best health interventions identified in trials, and that their societies enjoy a “reasonable likelihood” of benefiting from the results of trials.
... The FDA’s move against the DOH is more than a symbolic change. With drug companies rushing to countries where the domestic regulatory infrastructure is weak at best—India, where Pfizer and GlaxoSmithKline have set up global clinical trial hubs being perhaps the prime example—and the FDA turning a blind eye, the business of protecting impoverished, sick, undertreated patients from exploitative experimentation falls almost entirely upon local people convened by clinics and hospitals to sit on FDA-required ethics committees. Theirs is a nearly impossible job, much of it shrouded in secrecy. Some, from India and South Africa, spoke to me, anonymously. They told me of how their clinics and hospitals desperately need the income drug-industry trials bring in. Of how, often, their bosses sit on the committees with them, pressuring members to approve as many experimental protocols as come in. They are overworked, underpaid, and poorly trained—if trained at all—in the principles of research ethics. Even the most courageous among them find it difficult to challenge problematic experiments and interrupt the flow of industry dollars.
I'm not sure the Bush administration can bring this nation any lower in the eyes of the world than it already has. It only has a few months left to do so. But obviously, it's doing its damnedest.
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Orcinus!
Wow. Twice in a row. even with my laptop and browser misbehaving!
Now to read. I’m sure it’s another brilliant post.
FunnyD
How many years will it take to undo the damage Bush has done?
OMFG. Tuskeegee goes global.
God forgive us, because I don’t see how anyone else can.
Fork, that makes me feel literally queasy.
FunnyD
David, thanks for letting us know about this despicable, vile act.
I hope the new Dem President will reverse this depraved decision - and fire every FDA employee who approved it - next January 21.
Monsters.
Sad to say, this kind of testing, like torture, has already been taking place in developing countries.
Some is borderline ethical, such as providing at least a little medical care to people who would have utterly nothing otherwise. But there is a different level where people will act for money, and bring in patients who are told they will be “helped.”
There is pressure on the drug companies to do human testing, including on pregnant women and children, and do you think they’re going to do that testing here?
The chain of responsibility for this is long, and should not end at the borders of those countries. Pressure to do human testing in vulnerable groups is part of the problem.
So human testing without concern for harm to the people involved, like torture, has been going on for a long time. The difference, also like torture, is that our government now openly justifies and approves of it. FOR SHAME.
“Now we are in the process of adopting medical-testing practices on human subjects that are straight out of the Nazi handbook.”
Just like everything else they’ve been doing from speeches to propaganda to torture, etc.
America better wake the fork up.
They won’t be leaving easily if they are trying to implement this sort of thing at this late time in their term of their coup.
I’m seriously concerned.
Global Capitalism’s finest hour. This sort of abuse is inherent in the system. Thanks, David.
Outsourcing clinical trials has economic implications as well- it undermines thousands of jobs in the USA
They don’t want to eradicate disease, they want to eradicate people that get in their way of stealing the natural resources here and elsewhere.
I don’t know how to respond to this article. It is difficult to channel my anger into well-formed sentences. Saying this is evil somehow feels too kind.
I understand what you’re saying, but the testing of drugs that have had no pre-human vetting whatsoever with regard to efficacy and safety is on the other side of the border for me.
gotta force out as many career professional employees of as many agencies as possible before January 20 so they won’t be available to a “Democrat” [sic] administration that has to try to put out all of the oil-well fires left behind by BushCo.
I guess the only good news is that this takes effect in October, and so a new executive should be able to reverse this most forkin’ rickey tick. ‘Course, Big Pharma will probably have a bunch of trials set up and ready to start the second it’s “legal” to just leave the placebo group completely untreated so then they can whine that “we’re already committed” blah blah blah.
I hope the research community will start making a stink about this. Paging Dr Murphy. And I’ll forward this to a friend who works in the HowardHuges Medical Institute at my local University. This is just a huge disgrace.
FunnyD
“Paging Dr. Mengele! Dr. Mengele to the white courtesy phone!”
What a maverick, that Bush! He doesn’t want to be a “cool” joiner, no sir. /s
I continue to despise this person.
When this atrocity is reversed, let’s swing the pendulum a bit further. I’d like to see all clinical trials move into university settings, where the pharmaceutical firms submit the drug candidate to a consortium of research medical centers and they then design and carry out the trials, with their funding coming from FDA grants which, in turn, are funded by registration fees for the new drugs. The companies should have absolutely no say over the design of the trial, and the new drug should be compared only to the current standard of care for the condition under consideration. Results should be prepared and published by the university consortium and should clearly address both the efficacy and the cost effectiveness of the new treatment.
Phase 1 (phase I)
These are the earliest trials in the life of a new drug or treatment. They are usually small trials, recruiting anything up to about 30 patients, although often a lot less. The trial may be open to people with any type of cancer.
When laboratory testing shows a new treatment might help treat cancer, phase 1 trials are done to find out
The safe dose range
The side effects
How the body copes with the drug
If the treatment shrinks cancer
Patients are recruited very slowly onto phase 1 trials. So although they don’t recruit many patients, they can take a long time to complete. The first few patients to take part (called a ‘cohort’ or group) will be given a very small dose of the drug. If all goes well, the next group will get a slightly higher dose. The dose will gradually be increased with each group. The researchers will monitor the effect, until they find the best dose to give. This is called a ‘dose escallation study’.
In a phase 1 trial, you may have lots of blood tests, as the researchers look at how the drug is affecting you. And at how your body copes with, and gets rid of the drug. They will also record any side effects.
People entering phase 1 trials often have advanced cancer and have usually had all the treatment available to them. This is because they may benefit from the new treatment in the trial, but many won’t. The aim of the trial is to look at doses and side effects. This work has to be done first, before we can test the potential new treatment to see if it works. Phase 1 trials are important because they are the first step in finding new treatments for the future.
I wonder where creepy goopers find their drugs. I mean prescribed medicine? really.
I would love to see a scene ala Erin Brockovich where the PG&E attorney pours herself a glass of water, and Erin says oh BTW we brought that water in special for you folks.
Just like “the war” this only involves poor brown people and Global Corporate Crony Capitalism. Gee, I wonder who wins? The lack of media oversight as well as congressional oversight is appalling. When this happens, why doesn’t Congress just tell the FDA that if it makes decisions like this it can kiss it’s funding goodbye in an “up close and personal” appearance of the FDA Chief in Congress.
I guess that countries could protect their citizens by making such trials illegal within their borders if they would not be illegal in the US or UK or wherever the drug companies parent is. But Big Pharma spreads Big Dollars (or Euros, thanks for that to George) to ensure that they are not screwed with by governments if they can avoid it.
Gosh golly, David!
Do you think this something Congress OUGHT to be interested in?
Oh, that’s right, they are way too busy doing IMPORTANT THINGS.
Gore Vidal thinks it will take two generations to correct the damage done.
Maybe he’s an optimist?
Where, oh where, has OUR Congress gone …
Maybe Obama will fix this. Maybe Hillary …. Maybe …
‘This’ needs to be fixed now.
Oh, Media, where art thou?
Hey, by the time ‘our’ economy has rendered us third-world, utterly, WE can sell OUR organs (very nice kidney here, hardly used) and foreigners can ‘test’ OUR infirm and abandoned.
Naw, it can’t happen here…
Wonder what WILL happen ‘here’ … ‘course we’ve friends ALL OVER the WORLD.
What did I hear recently, 82% of ‘Murkans think the nation on the wrong ‘track’?
We’d better not let the 18% who think things grand, anywhere near ‘power’.
OT …. what should the “Murkan military (the ‘best’ in the world, some say) do if Bu$h CO orders them to attack Iran just before he leaves office (assuming he does, in fact, leave)?
Or are sergeants the only ones with brains, conscience, and courage?
((tmwolfe))
we know.
thank goodness fdl folks keep shining a light on all of it. Ever notice that the photos of myanmar seem more graphic that Iraq? why is that?
I don’t know if this has already been covered?
‘On May 13, amidst the 2008 US election news and the coverage of the Sichuan earthquake and the Burma aid quagmire, The Globe and Mail reported that Dallaire, at a parliamentary subcommittee meeting, stated that the United States and Canada are terrorist organization and must begin to abide by international and Human Right treaties or else be considered rogue states:’
http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/1716
Ding!
bush has unlocked all the henhouses (any institution for the public good) and let all the wolves in. that is his legacy. he has completely betrayed every american citizen with his machinations.
Oh, and Dugggggg :)
Phase 1 trials are normally preceded by pre-clinical testing and phase 0 trials, are they not?
Egregious@6
Human testing of pharmaceuticals and medical devices is obviously not a priori unethical, or the Declaration of Helsinki would say something completely different.
Bilbo’s point is valid. Having drugs and treatments that have NO track record in humans marketed to the general population is the logical extension of your last statement as it stands, and it’s a complete nightmare scenario. The supplements industry is enough of a problem.
The issue as I see it is allowing drug companies to ignore basic and reasonable safeguards for their clinical trial subjects–especially in places with large populations of desperate, uninformed people who have no one looking out for them. And there are places like that here in the US, too, and if I’m reading this right it’s not like FDA will be enforcing Helsinki here but not overseas (Dave, am I way off here?).
FunnyDiva
…and away from the prying eyes of those pesky ethicists to be found at Fort Meade or the CDC, imagine what they could do . . .paging Dr Delia Surridge
sorry to go all tinfoil David - but can anyone assure me unequivocally they wont be going there in the future ?
It’s of a piece with jsut about everything else these guys have done. Corporations deserve favorable consideration; the rest of us, not.
(TPM is reporting that the EPA admin was in favor of the exemption for CA air quality rules, until he got the word from
Cheneythe White House. He still isn’t admitting it, but there are sworn statements from others at the EPA.)I want to see, on Jan 20, all the rules and regulations issued and all the laws passed under Bush suspended pending review of legality, constitutionality, ethics, etc. Thsoe issued at the request of, or favoring, particular industries or businesses, those that restrict rights of citizens without reason, those that are intended to increase government secrecy, should be held null and void.
another commenter (MsJoanne) had an interesting blog post on her own blog about this topic. I’ll try to dig up a link for you. Thanks for this one.
My response is to read up on personal narratives from the Third Reich to avoid becoming a bystander. I’m not kidding.
I agree.
Absolutely.
Good heavens!
Jim you have presented a thoughtful, reasonable and necessary prescription.
Well done, and a BIG BINGO!!!!
Except for the funding mechanism, much of this is already how clinical trials are conducted in the US.
FunnyDiva
I don’t think that phase 0 trials are NORMAL- but they are allowable:
[edit] Pre-clinical studies
Pre-clinical studies involve in vitro (i.e., test tube or laboratory) studies and trials on animal populations (in vivo). Wide-ranging dosages of the study drug are given to the animal subjects or to an in-vitro substrate in order to obtain preliminary efficacy, toxicity and pharmacokinetic information and to assist pharmaceutical companies in deciding whether it is worthwhile to go ahead with further testing.
[edit] Phase 0
Phase 0 is a recent designation for exploratory, first-in-human trials conducted in accordance with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) 2006 Guidance on Exploratory Investigational New Drug (IND) Studies.[7] Phase 0 trials are also known as human microdosing studies and are designed to speed up the development of promising drugs or imaging agents by establishing very early on whether the drug or agent behaves in human subjects as was anticipated from preclinical studies. Distinctive features of Phase 0 trials include the administration of single subtherapeutic doses of the study drug to a small number of subjects (10 to 15) to gather preliminary data on the agent’s pharmacokinetics (how the body processes the drug) and pharmacodynamics (how the drug works in the body).
A Phase 0 study gives no data on safety or efficacy, being by definition a dose too low to cause any therapeutic effect. Drug development companies carry out Phase 0 studies to rank drug candidates in order to decide which has the best PK parameters in humans to take forward into further development. They enable base go/no go decisions to be based on relevant human models instead of relying on animal data, which can be unpredictive and vary between species.
wiki
Wow, that is a well thought out idea.
Dave, I am just stunned by this news. This is horrible.
What’s to stop them from using a drug on massive amounts of people overseas that turns out to be fatal across the board. No accountability. Oh, they wouldn’t do that….would they? Where will the checks and balances be?
Achtung baby.
No unequivocal guarantees of much of anything in this life, CBL. On this front whether “they” go “there” rather depends on whether WE let them. This is why it’s important to stay informed and keep speaking up for _everyone’s_ well being.
FunnyD
FWIW, EG, I was tipped to this story by a friend of mine who is a significant researcher in the AIDS vaccine field. And as he said, Helsinki wasn’t really being enforced well enough already — but this shoots a big hole in it, as well as the standing of American research.
I wouldn’t have thought the FDA had the authority to dump a major international agreement like this. But then what do I know.
read Dr. Rost’s site; http://peterrost.blogspot.com/
There is nothing about the pharma companies that is ethical. How could they spend millions of dollars advertising crap to the public on the tv and other media? Vytorin was a bomb, but you remember your aunti flo and all that crap to the violin? In every other country, advertising drugs is illegal.
Here you go Jackie
Bush officials charged with war crimes.
No wonder he doesn’t think the ICC is so “cool”.
I am sorry, should have said, “civilized countries”
What was that “surge” method…seize, clear, and hold? That is how these people are trying to take over the world. They are trying to take over the world. They’ve said that. That is what the New World Order that Bush41 was referring to in his speech. I’m not kidding. They don’t care about “people”…we know that from Katrina and Iraq. They care about grabbing what others have. They are very dangerous…they like to clear people out of areas that they want to exploit, and if killing them is what they have to do, they will. Then they hold onto the resources. They are neonazis.
Africa has oil, gold, and diamonds. Other than slaving for corporations, the people that live there are “in the way” of those that want total control.
DO digg this?!? It’s something every American should know about. Am passing it onto my lists now.
Then I think I’ll go throw up for a while……
Apparently adherence is voluntary.
Declaration of Helsinki
Free Market Research! Rent us your body!!!
Yep, I’ve been following ‘The road to War Crimes charges’ for a while. Bush and Co are not going to be able to travel outside the country much, once they lose their Diplomatic ‘Impunity’.. :)
Kudos to your source. Hope this is getting play all over the research community. Lots of us rank and file research types actually do give a shit about other people and do know right from wrong. But if that isn’t enough to go get everybody fighting, the potential for total, irreparable damage to the credibility of the profession as a whole sure as hell should be.
FunnyD
The critical difference is that now the pharma firms have complete control over the design of the trials and they interact far too much with those who are carrying them out. They use their funding of the trials as a very large hammer to get exactly what they want. There needs to be a strong and impervious barrier between the pharma firms and those carrying out the trials. Until that happens, we will see many more examples of the Vioxx fiasco.
And IIRC, it’s only recently been made legal here.
Kirk? Rsw? was it the Bushies that made it legal to directly market pharmaceuticals via mass media to the general public?
FunnyD
This is just more proof that the gwb regime is owned body and soul by the multis. All that we can hope for is that IF-remember there are still 4 months and a couple of weeks until the election, and almost 8 months until Jan 20, 2009-Obama gets elected prez, and IF the dems get a much greater majority(which still means nothing if the remaining repigs can still control the lege because the dems have such weak leaders) and the biggest IF is IF the dems are not bought and paid for by the “K street gang” of lobbyists, then maybe, just maybe we can begin to undo the massive amount of damage done to our Republic over the last 8 years. However, until I see actual proof that the country has turned away from the repigs and the religious right, I will still see the future like this: 50-100 years sees a theocratic facist dictatorship. Ultimately I see in 50-100 years that the US falls into the 3rd world camp due to education being hijacked by both the religious right-science becomes anathema in schools-and those who feel that any kind of competition is wrong, whether it be on the sports field or in the classroom as that might damage little johnnies self esteem, written english becomes something that your grandparents used to care about, a HS diploma means nothing, as students can not be failed-see self esteem above, and in order to graduate from university one must go to another country, as our universities have a-no qualified teachers, and b- no qualified students. So the US becomes dependent on the handouts from other countries who own most of the US due to unrestrained borrowing by our government in order to make sure that the rich get their tax cuts. I see a new roman circus type atmosphere, where 98% of the population are the “sheeple” and 2% are ultra wealthy. Something like Mexico was about 20 years ago. The prison population continues to expand, and many more crimes are added to the death penalty so that organs can be used for transplant. I see a whole lot more of this type of thing happening in this country if we don’t act now. Obama just might be the agent of change that we, and the world-remember that our military is the most powerful(and expensive) in the world-need, but if the multis get their way we will continue the long slow slide into 3rd world obscurity, while they rape the country for its mineral and food wealth. Thats what I think the future holds, I thank my god that I will never live long enough to see it, altho I feel sorry for what my grandchildren will have to live with. The best years of the US are over, my children will not be able to come close to living the life that I have had, either monetarily or being able to have a good life with only one breadwinner, where one worked at the same company for ones entire working life, having good employer paid health insurance and an excellent company paid retirement. I retired at age 48, 10 years ago, with an excellent retirement for the rest of my life which my wife will get if I die, and excellent health insurance for both myself and my wife. Over 75% of fed gov workers will be retiring within the next 10 years, yet young people are not stepping up to take their place.
The Constant Gardener:
Thanks Bilbo. I had been thinking the agreement was closer to being at the level of a treaty of something.
Why are they doing this now?
Usually, when Bushco puts through this sort of thing, it is because they’ve already been violating it for awhile and are about to get in trouble. Could it be CYA for something?
Interesting question.
My daughter is involved in clinical trials work for a noted University. My impression is that the University does the design work- not the drug company. I’ll ask her.
I’ll munch to that. Although simple, significant, consistent enforcement of the DOH would be a huge step in the right direction.
There’s also the issue of how much time such an added layer of review would add to the approval process. Not saying you aren’t right on the money, just that there are a LOT of stakeholders in this game and there are no easy solutions. But pretty clearly “profit uber alles” is a lousy way to run things.
FunnyD
That was my guess - partly cya for stuff that has already happened.
OK, now I really have to join whoever it was just said they’re gonna go throw up for awhile.
My God, my God, why have you forsaken your children by allowing this abominable cabal to run rampant? It’s no wonder I still haven’t sorted out the state of my faith, let alone my relationship with You!
FunnyD
random fyi-ness
Ted Kennedy is current chair of Senate Health Committee - Senator Kennedy also voted yeay in confirming current FDA Chair Andrew C. von Eschenbach, M.D
I still wish him a speedy recovery from whatever happened this weekend. When was the current FDA head confirmed, do you remember? And wasn’t the office vacant for quite awhile–adding pressure to get someone confirmed?
FunnyD
important, if sickening, topic. DIGG it, pups.
Are there American laws that govern what pharmaceutical researchers can do, or is it all left up to profession ethics? I guess I’m asking what actual sanctions there are that can be used.
Whoa. Quiet around here all of a sudden.
FunnyD
Just you and me and NDFG?
he was acting director from 9/26/05 until 12/7/06
wiki
I am not the best of googlers, but there is nothing I’ve found to indicate he would go in this direction
Yes. Both, iirc.
It’s certainly not entirely self-policed. FDA has the ultimate club, which is the authority to deny approval. Unfortunately, the politicization of it and so many other regulatory agencies has rendered this useless.
But any company wanting to get a drug approved has a Regulatory Affairs department to keep track of compliance issues.
As bad as this looks, without the regulatory system that’s been built here over the past century or so, things would be much more difficult and outright dangerous for us patients/consumers.
FunnyD
oh Hi newdealfarmgirl - congratulations on the nuptials ! -
Get rid of the repugs, elect Obama and the democratic party. Put these folks asses right up to the grinder, and have them scrap corporate law, and rewrite it .
Unless this happens, nothing will change.
thanks! It is the bright spot in my life … Spook restores me to sanity when i despair at the state of our once-great nation.
Thanks! I thought I remembered that, too. As in, the position was led by an “acting” for over a year and in that time it became pretty urgent to get someone confirmed to the agency could do its job on a more secure footing.
And thanks for remembering that this wasn’t an obviously hideously politicized nominee.
FunnyD
((((((NDFG + SPOOK)))))
all the best for a long and happy life together.
FunnyD
I feel sooooo out of the FDL social loop!
so the agency could do its job…
FunnyD
“They won’t be leaving easily if they are trying to implement this sort of thing at this late time in their term of their coup.”
I mentioned to Da Spook that i agreed with this, and he replied that it is more likely that they are doing it to forestall Democratic efforts to resume regulation due to the lengthy review process that new regulations (even if they had been previously enforced then dropped) must undergo. Bottom line: even if Dems win control, drug companies can get away with this for two to four years. Which i still find inhumane and sickening, but i don’t have to hide under bed in fear of coup.
Thank you! I feel out of the loop myself … too many late nights spent having phone calls, and too many days IMing and emailing. Now that we’re sitting next to each other, we can geek-out on teh toobz again. OK! i’ll get back on thread! *g*
loosely related note -
at the height of the Avian Flu hysteria late 05 - read where the CDC, under the direction of Julie Gerberding cut off access to their gene sequencing databank - used by 90% of the planet’s epidemiologists and other flu researchers - really struck me as an odd move for an apolitical person like Dr Gerberding, but of course DOJ and NASA were once considered untouchable as well
link
and even if it’s just the 3 of us here - let us all remember that one Donald Rumsfeld is a biomed investor
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and offer to bet $10 that Bush leaves in January when his term is up.
apparently there’s a new thread up top - and none of the shitheads gave the courtesy call, again
Cliff Schecter upstairs with more on McCain and his lobbyists
Has Blue Texan been around? Dallas Morning News
That’s pretty harsh.
eg - yes it is and in no way directed at our mods or the other grown ups here - happens all the time now - someone always used to notify downstairs - I find it rude and inconsiderate
Allowing the use of placebos as the standard for comparison, rather than the current standard drug treatment, seems both faster and cheaper and potentially fraudulent.
Placebos cost virtually nothing (but then that’s close to the actual production costs of some pharmaceuticals) and their use in place of the current standard treatment avoids tracking the continued effectiveness of that standard treatment in the test environment, with test subjects.
More importantly, this new test protocol seems to compare the potentially new with the zero, ie, no treatment at all. Aspirin might perform wonderfully in that fixed arena. It would also seem to make it harder to compare these test results with the performance of existing drugs developed using older test protocols. Giving us only oranges to compare with apples, and giving new drugs a new, lower standard to beat. The net effect seems to make these “new” products, sometimes only mild variations of current products, look effective when they may not be as effective as even current treatments.
In the ever more competitive world of patented pharmaceuticals, anything seems to be fair game, including patients’ health. Testing drugs offshore (or on) should not descend into some John le Carre novel’s universe, where mega-companies and drug empires make their own rules, which governments dutifully follow and for which they provide cover, and which make Cold War spies’ behavior look ethical and blameless. But rest assured; our friendly pharmaceutical companies will regulate themselves and their profits in our best interest.
Could be.
Personally, I think they attempted their slow coup starting in 2000…I don’t think they can sustain it because of the mistakes they’ve made and the fact that the people are against them at this point in time, but I don’t think they will leave without a fight….I’m glad to hear what Spook thinks…that makes me feel a little better!
If a delay of 6 minutes between the new post and notification is ”rude and inconsiderate,” perhaps we need to encourage more pups to be involved in sharing the news sooner. There is no “someone,” only the community.
I guess we need minders to tell us the gas gauge in the car is on empty, too. Or has the tyranny of low expectations infected progressive blogs as well as the White House?
of course you are right - although this very thing was discussed twice last week - forgive me my impatience and harsh tone
I think folks got used to receiving the notification that was popping up automatically and that seems to have disappeared in the last week or so (since I think there were server problems a few days ago).
We just need to take it upon ourselves to remember the “old days” when the person who captured the zed was expected to announce things downstairs. Some slight re-fresher training if you will. :})
oh my googdness dakine - so glad you’re here - my remark was in no way aimed at you or others attempting to move the conversation along
Doesn’t the title of the new thread show up on everyone’s screen? It does on mine.
ps - no one from the front page or mod squad ever owes me an explanation
The PharmaCos design their own studies, especially for pre-marketed products. They can also sponsor “IIRs” investigator-initiated research, in other words, studies that are designed by the investigator.
It should be noted that the big PharmaCos have to abide by other regulatory bodies, in the EU especially, but also elsewhere in the world, to have drugs approved in those countries. I haven’t had time to read all this material, or the sources, but I can tell you that the EU has been developing very strong directives regarding human subjects. I’m not sure how this FDA decision will affect how PharmaCos operate, given the other bodies to whom they must answer. It’s still appalling, another blot on the US’s reputation in the world.