Lost amidst the already minimal coverage of the House Iraq funding bill defeat (though the vote to force Iraqis to pay for reconstruction passed) was the appearance on the Hill of a number of Iraq veterans. Telling Congress of their experiences and actions in Iraq – including their personal tales of abuse of Iraqi detaineed, these veterans called for an immediate withdrawal.
Following their testimony, one soldier, Matthis Chiroux, made an even stronger statement standing in the Capitol Rotunda:
Chiroux joined the army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant.
He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines before he was honorably discharged and placed in the reserves.
As a reservist, he was due to be deployed next month in Iraq.
On Thursday, he refused to go.
"I stand before you today with the strength and clarity and resolve to declare to the military, my government and the world that this soldier will not be deploying to Iraq," Chiroux said in the sun-filled rotunda of a congressional building in Washington.
"My decision is based on my desire to no longer continue violating my core values to support an illegal and unconstitutional occupation… I refuse to participate in the Iraq occupation," he said, as a dozen veterans of the five-year-old Iraq war looked on.
Chiroux joins a growing number of veterans and active military who are refusing to participate in war crimes.
At the same time, the US command in Iraq was trying to defuse reactions to the news that a US sniper had used a copy of the Koran for target practice. That soldier has been removed from Iraq but we will have to wait to see whether any further action is taken. Given the growing influence of the "Christian Embassy" and similar groups in the US military, the persistence of stories of religious intolerance by US forces is sadly not surprising.
Meanwhile in Iraq, the occupation continues to place families at severe risk – from violence and arbitrary detentions – and from food shortages and lack of safe water. The latest news is that drought is leading to even worse conditions as wheat and barley crops are decimated:
Farmers in the Diyala province in Iraq have been hit by just about every crisis possible. First the security disaster dried up supplies and markets, then lack of electricity cut irrigation, and now comes a drying up of water resources. …
“The shortage of water is the biggest threat that Iraqi agriculture has ever faced,” an employee in the directorate-general of irrigation for Diyala province, speaking on condition of anonymity, told IPS. “It threatens not only food but also employment in this city (Baquba, capital of the province). …
The government is doing little to help people over this crisis. “The directorate is impotent and can give nothing to the farmers,” the irrigation centre employee said. “Hundreds of thousands of acres are now desolate, and thousands of people jobless.”Most villagers work in farming, and now that farming no more sustains people as it did, life there is badly hit. Agriculture in this area kept Iraq supplied, and also produced enough for exports. But now farmers sometimes have a hard time feeding themselves.
As always, one way we can aid the Iraqi people as they face these threats is to support the work of the Red Crescent who are doing their best to supply water, food and medicine throughout Iraq. Helping them is one way we can stand with brave troops like Matthias Chiroux and the ones who spoke to Congress this week and work to make a difference for the people of Iraq.
Photo of Red Crescent activities courtesy of GorillasGuides.
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So, Siun!
Hi Siun! That’s one brave young man.
Aloha, Siun!
Iraq pay for reconstruction or destruction? Sorry sick humor.
Is the American government backing the Iraqi government on the loans if the Iraqis fail to pay?
Cause if so then it sounds like a trick to move some of the projected cost of the Iraq war off books a stupid attempt.
Evening gang!
I will just be here for a little bit – it’s been a long weekend seeing my daughter off to California (and not sleeping a lot as I mom-worry while they drive across the country!)
At the same time, the US command in Iraq was trying to defuse reactions to the news that a US sniper had used a copy of the Koran for target practice. That soldier has been removed from Iraq but we will have to wait to see whether any further action is taken
Nope not going to happen
dugg
And, again in the NBC interview W said yes, Iraq is a success.
Good question – I’m not sure if the mechanism is very clear. Some folks like Rahm and Susan Collins and such thought it would be way cool to make the Iraqis pay for their own reconstruction, security and the Sahwa Awakening folks. What will end up be included or how the bill will be figured out and paid is not yet known.
Meanwhile in Iraq, the occupation continues to place families at severe risk – from violence and arbitrary detentions – and from food shortages and lack of safe water. The latest news is that drought is leading to even worse conditions as wheat and barley crops are decimated:
Is America planning on sending over some food or are we just going to wait for starving people to join the terrorists when the terrorist point out the Americans have food?
I know this is old news, but I thought their oil supply was supposed to pay for everything…whether they wanted it or not. What happened to that?
Well thanks for trying to answer I understand that the GOP has very good reasons to hide details on this bill which means we have to watch it.
I am just watching the 60 minutes show about Iraqis who have worked with the Americans and are now at risk of being killed along with their families if they stay there. Some have escaped to other countries, like Jordan, but have sought asylum in the US since they cannot stay in Jordan, but their fate is very much in doubt. The program makes you want to cry for them. Pitiful!
He is required to disobey an illegal order, is he not? And if that order is to deploy to an illegal theatre of war, undeclared by Congress, and to conduct himself in an illegal manner — he must disobey, no?
Sounds quite right to me Teddy!
Sunday night, often a downer. But the news has been really bad, I think. Ws middle east trip was awful. I heard a Gore Vidal interview today and he was saying it will take 2 generations at least for us to recover from these years.
Iraq is a success. War is peace. Love is hate. Ignorance is knowledge. Ketchup is a vegetable.
I hope he is prepared for the barrage that will surely come his way, from the evildoers and haters.
So what happens to Chiroux and other resisters? Will he serve time in military prison?
And they are going to greet us with candy and flowers. So why does my head ache?
Quite likely, I would think. But W reminded us on the TV tonight that they all volunteered. Liar, when it comes to stop/loss.
The Bushies will bring him to court a military court if they can they can’t let the precedent get established that solders can refuse to serve in illegal wars or future President’s abilities to conduct illegal wars would be threatened.
Besides military courts tend to be a very pro guilty. But with the war ending and several military people expected to start leaking to save themselves who knows?
But what if the solder applied to the Hague and asked them to rule if he should serve?
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Citizen Siun and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Thank you for giving Sgt. Chiroux a microphone for his voice, this public statement and it’s context mark a significant step up in the level of opposition to this criminal enterprise in Iraq. What Sgt. Chiroux is gunna need is a very organized and loyal support group of veterans and active duty folks and I must say that I’m certain Chiroux wouldn’t have used this forum to announce his intentions unless he had such support. Now what he and all the troopers who are still caught in this mindless horror need is for us in the larger community to coalesce around him and his cadre of support and build an anti-war movement to bring the war home to the corporate criminals and their political stooges.
It is time. We citizens not in uniform are now bein’ called forward by Sgt. Chiroux and those he represents…those of us who oppose this war must now leave the safe and friendly confines of our support groups and our extended friendships on the internet and organize to walk into the street in front of the good Sargent. In a sense, Chiroux has called us out and is waitin’ in the street in front of the full weight and force of the United States Government and it’s military…it’s time for us to walk the talk.
Thank you for the post Siun, I know what I’m gunna be doin’ tomorrow. If you have any further info on Sgt Chiroux or those who are supportin’ him, please lay it on us…thanks again, kid.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WAR IS COMIN’ HOME AND NOBODY GETS A PASS!!
And the Iraqi govt’ has cut rations to folks. ( I believe more cuts are coming, too, but I’m not sure of that).
Hi, and thank you Siun.
BTW, The Sheikh just drew 75,000 peeps in Portland.
The backdoor draft! That pisses me off to no end…! 8-(
At the time of the founding, that type of shit was known as “impressment.”
Fitting today for the new King George.
Let’s not forget 1Lt Ehren Watada, whom the Govt. is still pursuing…!
Most of our folks in the military serving there will be so emotionally damaged, I can’t imagine the ramifications of all of that
“They volunteered” is hardly a justification for BushCo’s fuckup.
Cut the rations to what? and are the rations bigger smaller than the joke amount of food that is the minimum needed to keep you alive according to our government.
A good way to keep up with resisting soldiers and their support networks is through Courage to Resist – http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/
It is insane, and trivializing, that he would use this word. We all know alot were the reserves who did not expect to be called and the stop/losses who have had to go and go back. There is no justificiation, but we know he neither understands nor cares.
I think we’re going to be looked at like a paper tiger for some time with Rummy’s plan to ‘privatize’ stuff and put a lot on the back of the few in the field. We’ve got no where enough resources to really take care of returning wounded. The entire war was one huge miscalculation.
Here’s an article by Dahr Jamail from Dec. of last year re: rations and upcoming cuts:
Oh bother, sorry TCU: Here’s the link:
Portland is a city located near the confluence of the Willamette and Columbia rivers in the U.S. state of Oregon. With an estimated population of 568,380
http://www.google.com/search?h…..gle+Search
568,380/75,000= 7.5784 if my math is right.
I think we should start comparing crowds to city populations
Anyone know where McCain’s biggest crowd was and how big was it?
Bwahahaha!
Most of the talking heads are talking about how stretched all the resources are, let alone the VA demands, but the big fool keeps talking about Iran. W has no sense, and now he is cornered. I think he is capable of anything, stupid, that is.
You are just too cruel :) :)
sorry about the off-topic, but I’d like to look at Edward Teller’s site. Does anybody have the URL or the name of his blog?
One of the most infuriating photos I’ve seen online was of our combat soldiers in Iraq ordering at a shack of a Burger King. These troops now have to pay, to eat privatized fast food?
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Citizen TeddySanFran:
It is not simply a matter of declining an unlawful order. If he has already been called to active duty from the reserve, then he is subject to the military and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. As such, he really hasn’t disobeyed an order yet because he hasn’t reached the date of deployment. However, he IS subject to discipline for his presence before Congress and his statement of defiance of deployment has put him in a tub of real military shit.
Sgt. Chiroux has called us to formation, the anti-war movement that was dead on arrival in 2003 must resuscitate itself and start organizing in front of the good Sargent. No more hidin’ in our nice ,safe civilian lives, we hafta get our asses into the street.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, THERE IS NO PLACE TO HIDE ANYMORE!!
OT
teddy-you sent this to me in the comments the other night—-i just now got it.
”Having our conversations in the comments referred to as “herding freakin’ cats” doesn’t entice me to want to become involved in whatever discussions you are proposing for whatever venue you’ve been quite successful at setting the agenda for in your community.”
jmho
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you being a regular respected commenter, i was taken aback from it.
i thought that more cold-hearted than your usual comments, and i wondered how i deserved that. i don’t think i did….i explained later that i was in a manic mood, in a rare disheartened state, overwhelmed by letters i had gotten, success, yet failure in many areas, and feeling powerless to address them all…….and then reading all of the scattered thoughts and rants of people, yes, i felt it was like herding cats…that’s why i said it…like having all of the bills on the table knowing you don’t have the money to pay them all in full….
funny, it’s ok for some to express frustration and for others, not so much……….you don’t know, have no knowledge of where i’m comin’ from, or how many battles i have directly taken on, though you ought to by now, i would think you would know that by now……but one thing i want you to know, i advocate for your community, so, it outta matter to you. it deeply hurt that you of all people didn’t know that.
well, siiun does……so, she will, i’m sure, excuse this off-topic……if i were you, i wouldn’t be so dismissive of the same people who are advocating the same things you believe in. and actually doing something about it. every single fucking day……..name the ones on here who can say that.
i don’t think we ought to create our own shitholes……..but we sometimes find ourselves in one…..having someone throw more on it doesn’t help, i don’t think……i can’t ever remember doing that here. to anyone.
i will continue to do what you so dismissively refer to as ’whatever discussions you are proposing for whatever venue you’ve been quite successful at setting the agenda for your community”
well, all i know is, people are askin’ questions they haven’t been before, i call that a good thing.
and my ONE NIGHT of rant, and disgust, i would think could be excused, obviously there’s a different law for some.
that’s ok,. i sent my 200 or more letters about gay marriage for my step-brother and step-sister and their partners, not for you really, it was for people i know personnaly, but if you benefitted from it, more of a thrill…….
Siun, I asked Badger the other day, if Maliki is truly trying to piss off every segment of the populace, he just arrested over 1,100 Sunnis in Mosul with his Operation Lion’s Roar, which has also killed hundreds…!
Ah … the Burger Kings at those non-permanent bases…
I couldn’t agree with you more. *Laura shakes hands with Norske.” It is Time.
Heh, AAFES needs to make it’s money somehow…! They’re only dwarfed in size by Wal-Mart, btw…! ;-)
Maliki is desperately trying to figure out how to stay alive …
and please his masters
Those are not easily accommodated priorities when one considers who his masters are.
I swear Dawa and Sciri are gonna suffer the same fate as the Repugs in their Oct. 1st elections…!
The trade ministry is now preparing to slash the list of subsidised items by half to five basic food items, “namely flour, sugar, rice, oil, and infant milk,” Hanoun said.
No fruits or veggies so, No this is not the minimum needed to keep people alive. We invaded the country, we not the Iraqi government make all the real decisions, or else Blackwater would be out.
We meaning Bush has the power, responsibility and THE BLAME if the Iraqi start to die of starvation.
Its not like Bush does not have the money he just puts bullets ahead of food as a priority.
This is a another war crime!
I recently watched the PBS “Carrier” series. What’s next? “Food courts? Instead of mess halls?
Will you say this again. I thought the Privatized meant contracts by the US. Are you saying the troops have to pay from their own funds? I cannot even believe that is the system. Pay to get shot at..dear God.
if halliburton has its way yes, they just keep on making money !!!! and I can imagine WHO the stockholders are … Darth Cheny and the like
Yes.
And the anchor stores will be Macy’s and
Sears.
Well, I don’t foresee that scenario, but, there are Food Courts on every decent sized installation already…! ;-)
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Citizen Laura Doty:
I don’t know where we’re gunna be with this by tomorrow at this time but I know I will have made contact somewhere with someone and will have a direction…I’ll stop in at the Lake and share whatever I have learned and whatever contacts I’ve made.
KEEP THE FAITH, AIN’T IT GREAT TA HAVE SOME THIN’ TA DO FOR A CHANGE??!!!
I wonder how McCain will react at a outdoor debate with a Obama sized crowd? At any City split 50/50 between them according to the polls or heck 60/40 in favor of McCain.
Y’know, like on a cruise ship, little shopping mall, replete with a Starbucks, Pizza Hut, etc?
Dang I forgot
Bwahahaha!
You know, my head and heart will not believe this. It is the same sort of disgrace as the VA story and needs the same sort of coverage/disclosure. I feel like Ive been living in a fairy tale…I thought our troops were fed and clothed. I know they did not get armour or some other gear. I am in shock.
Braver than Bush, by far.
And a long list of others in this administration.
I can’t speak for the Navy, but, it’s already a done deal on Army posts, but, free chow is to be had in mess halls…!
Please keep us posted on everything you find out. I’m too old to take to the streets but I would really like to do something.
Look at the photo. Not faked. Google “Iraq soldiers Burger King.”
Maddening.
BTW, there’s a scene in PBS “Carrier” where the fighter pilots are bitchin’ about having to pay for chow.
Do they have the Golden Arches and everything?
Hi Siun. What a great thing that you picked up this story and brought it here, in your usual exquisite style of writing.
I believe Matthis Chiroux would not hesitate for a minute if he were called to defend his country. It’s pretty damned sad state of affairs when a people are SO against their leader’s war(s) that those who turn back, go AWOL, walk out on the US military are revered publicly.
Who on Earth couldn’t understand this? I know. There’s a list. *sigh*
Burger King, bro’.
Once this plays out and if and when the military take him into custody and charge him I would imagine that the illegal order defense will be a watershed. This case will be different than others who have been charged primarily with AWOL charges, etc. This guy’s in the inactive reserve so he’s failing to report. Off the top of my head. Could be something to watch.
Sorry, I meant do they also have McDonald’s, too.
The big bases – and we have a lot of them in Iraq all include food courts, etc with the usual suspects. When done eating, the soldiers can shop for tvs, dvds and even order cars for pickup when their deployment is over.
Officers and married personnel receive ’separate rations’ Officers always pay, or have it discounted from their pay if deployed, It’s a separate pay for food… Single EMs do not get paid ’separate rats’, as it’s euphemistically called…
You know, since I lived through Katrina and I’ve had so many really harsh experiences, the only way my dad has been able to comfort me is to tell me his WW2 experiences, He NEVER in my 50 years talked to me about those before, but it’s like he’s suddenly opened up on them all because he knows I’ve seen things that can’t be understood by very many people. That’s the same way it is with veteran’s … if you’ve seen these things, you are profoundly changed by them … the entire bush cheney crew … (colin powell excepted) had NO basis on which to make these decisions… they were completely vacuous. Especially since they shirked meaningful experiences to save their tales, but now they force these things on others … I just shudder every time I think about it …
Losers here don’t get lit up.
Portland Slideshow.
siun keep up the good fight, i will.
cuz it’s working.
as you know, you helped inspire that in me. the day ali was murdered defined it, i’ll keep on doin’ it.
accurate information, facts, keep sending them out.
that’s what i’m gonna keep on doing. no matter what anyone says about how a/effective it is.
and when i hear it read on national radio and on the senate floor, i know i’m doin’ something right, and wonder why more don’t do it. cuz it works.
no matter how what i do is taken…..
all i know is, when you make an effort you’d be surprised who it affects and who writes back.
true.
people who are cynical about that don’t really do it, or they would get the same feedback i do.
makes me wonder about what they’re really doing or not. and makes want to do more.
well no matter, i’m gonna do it anyway.
fuck it. why not.
take care
AAFES has a franchise license for Burger King, StarBucks, Church’s Chicken, Little Anthony’s, KFC, Taco Bell, Robin Hood, and several others, but, no Mickey D’s…!
So if the Army serves bad food the army in a sense forces solders to buy with their own money Burger King. This sounds like a company store type closed economy what an evil way to recoup part,all or if they allow credit cards more than the cost of paying paying the solders.
Sometimes I am just in awe of how, how much, and just how many ways Bush can screw the troops!
Free BurgerKing for our troops in Iraq is even that to much to ask of the fat cats in Washington who brag about never having to pay for lunch?
(((Dakinikat)))
(((Dakinikat’s Dad)))
Thanks for that. The WWIIs really did mostly avoid talking about those experiences. And now most of us have been quite protected from some of this stuff. Evil Cheney and stupid W have no idea, and it wouldn’t matter when all they want in money, oil, and power. They have no link, as you describe, to WWII and certainly not VietNam. I think the rest of the world is shuddering as you do. It was the US that has been so horribly duped and mislead. The courage of this young soldier may bring out alot of new voices…we can only hope and grieve.
I came across this article today on Islamonline: Iraqis sell their kidneys to feel their kids
Burger King.. is poison.
Ding!
“soldier your eyes“
That WWII generation did amazing things … and then walked home and tried to make lives for themselves… I never understood my dad until recently. No I try to imagine the things that he saw at the same tender age as my 19 year youngest daughter. Then WHAT they seen in Afghanistan and IRAQ now … it makes you tear up mightily. We cannot afford to make bad decisions in this world any more. They take terrible tolls on way too many people. The cycle of violence perpetuates exponentially from the damaged.
Heh, that’d win the support of the troops, but, then Halliburton wouldn’t be able to soak us Taxpayers for twelve dollar Cokes…!
But no Penthouse or Playboy if that GOP Broun from Georgia has his way!
Ok any pictures of the entire crowd…or are we going to have to wait for a satellite photo?
Your work is important, too. I am sorry in the above that your feelings were hurt. Obviously, you have a lot you are concerned about. I hope you are OK. Peace. B
OK replace it with 100% organic burgers still the troops should eat free when they are on the job in a combat zone. Making them pay is tacky, cheap something only Bush would do!
One of the news programs had photo; said twice as big as any crowd he has had before, I think, was the report
Agreed.
Yes. I cannot tell the stories the WWII vets confided in me as a VA psych resident (and I don’t have my family’s permission to say more than my dad signed up as an officer on flying funeral pyres in WWII…while my uncle was in the infrantry…and my mom’s uncle nver recovered from WWI).
They are and were all amazing.
And the US Empire of the post-1948 National Security State is an obsencity unworthy of their heroism and patriotism.
How our Republic has fallen.
Actually, it’s not as evil as it appears. Back in the 60’s the military decided to add things like fast food chains to the bases overseas in order to give the troops an American feel to the place. The only places the troops could get burgers, pizza, etc was at the various clubs on base, the Enlisted Men’s (EM), Chief’s (CPO) and Officers (O) Clubs. Some, like Naval Base, Yokosuka had a Petty Officer’s (PO) Club. The beancounter consultants in the Pentagon thought this bit of Americana would improve morale, etc. That said, I’ve seen allegations of the outrageous prices these places charge and that is cause for concern. The food in the Green Zone is supposed to be top notch, whether that’s true or not I have no idea. The underlying purpose, however, is to provide that bit of Americana. Whether even that is appropriate or justified is yet another question. Exploitation is a separate issue.
That one pissed me off enough to post on it…! ;-)
Our very own Bush moment. LOL.
I kept thinking during the entire lead up, how could OUR country pre-emptively attack another one on such flim flam?
http://www.katu.com/
scroll down
Sorry. Didn’t follow…?
teddy at 83–But no Penthouse or Playboy if that GOP Broun from Georgia has his way!
flippant penthouse and playboy comments but no response to my heartfelt right to marry efforts at 43?
more than 200 letters………..and you slammed me……….arghhhhhhhhhhhhh. herding cats. i meant it.
According to the Health Ministry, renal disease is common in the country and more than 7,000 Iraqis currently need urgent kidney transplants.
“The lives of many Iraqis are threatened because haemodialysis machine are old and many aren’t working properly,” stressed Taha Abdel-Rahman, a ministry media officer.
“We have a long list of patients requesting kidneys and in many times when they can get the organ, they are already dead.”
Iraq, which is a member of OPEC and has the world’s third-biggest oil reserves, earned $38 billion in oil export revenue last year.
For 2008, the country has already raked in $20 billion from oil shipments just through April, according to the US Energy Department.
Catastrophic
Sellers can easily be spotted by relatives of patient at the main gates of hospitals or nearby coffee shops.
Usually a person who works inside the hospital brokers the deal and gets a 10 percent commission.
More than 90 percent of donors since 2003 are from the suburbs of Baghdad and other main cities of Iraq.
Donors are referred to a special committee at Karama hospital that determines their suitability.
But doctors say though they are against organ-buying they cannot prevent it as the donors always register at hospitals as family relatives.
So we blow up the water treatment plants which I’m sure help caused the kidney failure, we let organ sellers work on street corners (God knows what the drug dealers are doing) and we claim the Surge is working?
Well I’m sure allot of people McCain’s age want a cheap source for organ transplants.
This needs a post all on its own. Laura
Cokes are really $12 on base in Iraq?
That’s exactly where I have always been…could never make any sense. And now we know the rush and the lies. How were so many people taken in or willing to jump on the Pre-emptive Sh..?
Read the highlight again. Very carefully.
Perhaps Burger King should see their business here decrease as a result of making money off the underpaid troops there.
I think he meant a bushism, you meant feed but you wrote feel…!
just shows you how so many people really underuse their cranial capacity
Yeah they can’t treat our troops like…their their employees!
No, but, Halliburton has famously been accused of charging we the taxpayers for providing cokes at that rate amongst other charges of billing for meals never served etc…!
Thanks Siun for your post.
Sergeant Chiroux is a brave soldier and needs our support.
The sniper gets rewarded to a homecoming after desecrating the Koran. (huh– some brave dude that one is; clever, too). I am so sure that the Iraqis appreciated the kiss bestowed on another Koran in apology, too.
Lastly, the Iraqi people have been left with nothing…nothing… but death, destruction, hunger, fear, and hatred.
sickening.
Prerogatives of Empire.
Berlin fell, yet Dr. Goebbels’ inheritors walk among us under the sun: – in the
Gehlen OrganizationCIA, Burston-Marsteller, WPP, and the School of the Americas.The Beast Reawakens.
Their arm has grown long.
I was hearing today how much of the rest of the world is not viewing us as stupid, partly related also to failures in our educational system. Not a good sign.
You should have see the Halliburton concession down here after Katrina. Small cafe owners were trying to re-open their businesses. Haliburton had these huge tents feeding all the workers and such on the BEST parking lots in the quarter. Not only did they taking up valuable parking, but all these overpaid contractors got to eat at the Halliburton tents instead of being giving vouchers or repayments to it at the few poor locals trying to come back and set up businesses. And those damn tents stayed there a VERY VERY long time
Actually, they charge the same amount there, for a burger, as they do here in the States… AAFES is subsidized by DoD…!
My guess is he’s in Kuwait and they’ll wait a decent interval then reinsert him into Irak.
I teach university students you know, some times I really wonder. Our kids are not coming up with rigorous education, that is certainly true.
Lot of truth there. Their methods were not ignored by Mosad or the IDF, either.
Yes, Siun – thanks for this post and for spotlighting Sgt. Chiroux’ honor and adherence to the international laws to which the UCMJ binds all service people.
And so did Blackwater, didn’t they?
Ooops. *sigh*
Doesn’t surprise me one Iota…! F*ckers are still bilking us…! 8-(
Too funny.
The Latin American
“security”torture and dissaperance services were also eager to “learn”.Why do they hate us?
Fine give them food even bad fast food if it helps morale but it should be free! Making a buck off of the troops misery is BushSchadenfreude or making money off the misery of others.
In this case the misery of our troops in Iraq who I’m sure even if the believe in the mission do wish they were somewhere else.
Schadenfreude is enjoying the misery of others.
BushSchadenfreude is enjoying making money off of the misery of others, (by the way I want Wikipedia credit if this becomes a word)!
Faint praise
There will be consequences for this young man.
And he is well aware of them.
This is a story which bears repeating.
i’ve got blackwater stories that are amazing. entire families disappearing, corpses with bullets in hearts being brough in by these guys, and the drs certifying as drowing, sniping white blond guys in polo shirts wandering to coffee shops after the 8 pm curfew… they were animals
Heh, can’t blame that on Shrub or even Pappy, I’ve seen it throughout my twenty years of service… ‘85-’05…!
The medics who went to NOLA saw and reported the same, Dakinikat.
Odd that this young serviceman will face consequences far greater than the Quran-shooter and the Blackwater civilian-killers will ever face.
thanks revbev……..how come people who are so smart can miss things? forest/trees…watch the birdie over here.
hit a nerve and the wrong thing comes to the surface……..wasn’t my nerve i hit, i was aiming for a different nerve. but i get to pay for the nerve someone else already stirred…….that’s ok, i was a swimmer, big shoulders.
isn’t that what we’re fighting? misinterpretations? misrepresentations? uh, yeah…..yet here we are doing them.
bullshit. wake up. tell the truth and it will bite you in the ass, pain is great motivator.
shouldn’t what is really being done rule? and be told?
well, that’s what i’ll be doing.
i feel like i’m ranting again, so, enough…..
stop the fucking war/occupation, call in about every single thing that is happening in congress…….call everyone involved, on every single committee, it’s free……why not?
just don’t think that enough people realize what one little letter can do. i can tell you, it does loads.
and it is like herding cats TEDDY getting people to wake up and write one little tiny iddy biddy letter or one liddle iddy biddy phone call 1-800-450-8293 capitol switchboard, but your local offices can give you better more specific answers, cuz the dc people are usually interns….herding cats to get people to simply voice what they know to be true, no more, no less, but i like the chase. so, it’s ok.
and all i know is, people are calling in to the local radio show for the toll free number on a daily basis…..
i call that success.
i’ll be happy with that.
Has there been any accountability? I know that is a different topic, but there was alot of talk at the time about the way Blackwater just showed up. When did we become a police state with mercenaries?
I keep thinking this summer that I would like to find some NO project. I know there is still work to do.
or our torturers here, there and everywhere…….
We need to embrace and promote a different vision for life on this little rock. Too complex a subject for a comment section.
There’s a black family that was taken away in cuffs around the corner from me just for being in their house. No one has seen or heard from them since the storm. And a lot of drs i know said they just had to certify folks as being drowned when they obviously were bleeding to death from guns shots to their hearts. Many folks in my neighborhood say people shot and just dumped into the river. One friend of mine was chased by them for like 3 days. I’ve just got tons of stories from here.
I’m not sure any of that was investigated at all. There is still a lot of work down here to be done. Habitat for humanity is still very active here in the 9th ward.
I’m saying they have perfected it!
Honey or vinegar. We each have our own methods. I won’t engage with namecallers here or elsewhere.
My emails are kmurphy@riseup. net and kirkmurphy@gmail.com
If you have the opportunity to establish an email account you are comfortable using to communicate with me, I would like to help compile and preserve those accounts.
I think he has been well advised is is quite aware of what he is doing. His statement regarding an illegal war and occupation states that this is not only about not willing to fight but challenges the authority of the government to compel him to obey an illegal order. He and his advisers think they have good legal standing. This has probably been well thought out. His standing on principle alone makes him a braver man than Bush.
no problem … Dakinikat@aol.com
Isn’t it odd how much the Katrina failures have come to represent the failures of W. Their people did nothing.
I’m off; you all have a good night. B
Bears do like their honey…! ;-)
The bush administration purposefully did nothing. They wanted the woman democrat governor out of office. Now they’ve succeeded. They wanted black people out of Louisiana. They want Louisiana to be part of the permanent red south. We’ve always been purple. I’m sure it was a strategy on their part.
g’nite, RevBev!
That makes me wonder what kind of plans they have for other areas of the Country (the world?) in disaster case scenarios.
teddy at 138–you did it first, and wouldn’t admit that, pretty chicken shit of you, i just wanted to define it better…….why attack somebody who’s way on your side? i totally don’t get it……..i was really hurt by it and didn’t deserve it. blind-sided by it. i mean it, you really hurt me by your comment, and it was ok i guess since noone is saying anything.
you would ask the same thing if someone did it to you………you would be pissed as hell.
it especially pisses me off because of all of the time i spend on gay marriage laws…..man, that hit me hard.
i’ll drop it and go on.
i see where the landscape lies. but i don’t understand why i deserved your dismissal or your ire. i really don’t.
i really don’t.
they knew the levees broke way earlier than they let on … I think they just sat around and said, how can we work this to our advantage?
It heartens me that residents of Louisiana and Mississippi, who saw Bush’s predation on the Gulf Coast up close, have turned two blood-red Congressional districts red in the past two weeks, though.
It doesn’t excuse the suffering, and it doesn’t make things better, but it’s karmatic to me that the Permanent GOP Majority may be foundering right in its regional heart.
“I sold my soul to the Company Store.” Bet these places take credit….
Thanks. You know it just occurred to me that I know a psych/MD in NO who was very involved in the recovery. If you are interested, I will send you his name. I saw your email above. Something to think about…depending on what you are interested in.
well, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time … seems like some republican said that once … Abraham lincoln yes?
RevBev, I’d love to hear more. Thanks!
There’s something inherently inhuman about that as a response. There’s something missing in the equation of their DNA or something. I call that the “thug” gene, but i don’t know if it’s a missing gene, or an extra one, or WHAT it is. I only know that it occurs in nature, and is far more common than anyone but them would prefer.
Good night, Siun.
thank you.
evening pups
Great post Siun
how is everyone this evening?
It’s interesting to note that his first court martial trial ended in a mistrial. The reason given… “The judge ruled that the court-martial was unable to decide the question of whether the deployment order was unlawful”
He is still in legal limbo though. Here is his petition. Please sign it if you have not done so already.
I think the political engineering behind that disaster is a crime against humanity.
The thought of the machinations between Rove and Bush and Chertoff and Cheney coming into the public light is what rattled Bush.
He avoided his Somoza moment.
-G
For anyone who wants to financially support Matthis Chiroux, http://ivaw.org under legal fund, and to write him directly emotional support, thankyoumatthis@ivaw.org.
Signed it when it was first circulated, since Watada is from Hawaii and his father a prominent Dem, it’s been well covered here in the Isles…!
Aloha, wobbly! Any names picked out…? ;-)
If a Court-Martial court is unable to determine if a deployment order is unlawful THEN HOW COULD A SOLDIER BE EXPECTED TO DO THE SAME????
This, alone, should be sufficient to release him, and any others that refuse to deploy. The legality of their orders are not clear. By going they may be committing a crime. By serving under illegal orders they may be subject to War Crimes prosecutions.
TeddySanFran is upstairs!
i honestly think they should limit the numbers of tours of duty in battle zones before they make our all soldiers crazy go nuts … I can’t figure out why they would do that to these brave folks…
not according to this:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/…..=hpmostpop
I always stop in here on sunday night to get the latest on how great Da Surge is goin’. Grat job, as always, Siun.
And here’s another victim of Bush’s egotistical mad misadventure in Iraq. He was the poster boy of the Iraq War, and returned for four deployments…but returned scarred and suffering from more and more PTSD effects each time. Then he carjacked a car, drove it into the Grand Canyon and shot his brother and himself
Suzanne christened her, weebits. So that is her nickname for now.
get ready to start seeing/hearing about more incidences similar to this one
weebits
sweet
((wobbly))
things ok?
everything is going well. Her eyes are still only part way open and she sleeps well. today we had an impromtu bbq at the house and my mom made a lil baby wrap out of a scarf and she slept in that all day.
glad to know weebits ok
he/she will soon be chasing you ’round the house
playtime
enjoy it
but don’t look into them beeeeeyoootiful eyes
yuo’ll be hooked
:)
(((weebits)))
(((weebits))) and (((wobbs)))
Another wee kitteh to join the community!
Aloha from Maui!
I figured you were aware of him. I just thought to mention him here for the rest of the country. You know how Hawaii news doesn’t get much play on the mainland.
Exactly.
jus cogens!
Matthis Chiroux speaks for me.
Lee Camp, comic, was on Fox News apparently invited to make fun of Huckabee but at the end of his segment he popped off calling Fox News a “parade of propaganda” among other things. Don’t know if you caught this.
He wrote an article about it for AlterNet. Will post the site at end. (the clip of him is very cathartic!) Here is some of what he said in his article:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/78148/