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	<title>Comments on: Victories In The Global War For The Commons: France and Montville Spit Out The Shock Doctrine&#8217;s GMO&#8217;s</title>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 00:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.celsias.com/2007/07/13/new-study-shows-organic-farming-can-feed-the-world/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Study Shows Organic Farming Can Feed The World&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bon Appetit!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.celsias.com/2007/07/13/new-study-shows-organic-farming-can-feed-the-world/" rel="nofollow">New Study Shows Organic Farming Can Feed The World</a></p>
<p>Bon Appetit!</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 00:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi juslin -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just saw this and thought of your question.  Hope this helps!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.celsias.com/2008/03/24/biodiverse-systems-are-more-productive/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Biodiverse systems are more productive&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi juslin -</p>
<p>Just saw this and thought of your question.  Hope this helps!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.celsias.com/2008/03/24/biodiverse-systems-are-more-productive/" rel="nofollow">Biodiverse systems are more productive</a></p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SunnyNobility, thanks for your great question - and Sona, thanks for your helpful answer.  I look forward to reading Dr. Shiva’s book.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks to both of you and all who came here to help in this work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seizetheday.org/music.cfm?trackID=67&amp;albumID=2&amp;alphabet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Food and Health and Hope&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SunnyNobility, thanks for your great question &#8211; and Sona, thanks for your helpful answer.  I look forward to reading Dr. Shiva’s book.</p>
<p>Thanks to both of you and all who came here to help in this work.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seizetheday.org/music.cfm?trackID=67&amp;albumID=2&amp;alphabet" rel="nofollow">Food and Health and Hope</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeMax</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeMax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…and the modern-day heirs of Dr. Goebbels at their service…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I call Godwin on this silly man.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I may even agree with many of his points. But Murphy’s rhetoric is, as usual, juvenile, pandering and appalling. How can FDL keep this guy around while canning T-Rex for being too inflammatory?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; TREX:&lt;br /&gt;
I want these guys to be able to go forward from here without worrying that something I write, either on the front page or in the comments, is going to cross the line and potentially hurt their reputation or keep them from being able to have more amazing guests like Naomi Klein, Senator Chris Dodd, John Dean, and anyone else who might want to come by.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/late-nite-fdl-the-graduation-bell/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://firedoglake.com/2007/11.....tion-bell/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dump this clown, Christy and Jane, and bring back TRex! Murphy is really not doing your reputation for mature, reality-based coverage of politics any good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>…and the modern-day heirs of Dr. Goebbels at their service…</p>
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<p>I call Godwin on this silly man.</p>
<p>I may even agree with many of his points. But Murphy’s rhetoric is, as usual, juvenile, pandering and appalling. How can FDL keep this guy around while canning T-Rex for being too inflammatory?</p>
<blockquote><p> TREX:<br />
I want these guys to be able to go forward from here without worrying that something I write, either on the front page or in the comments, is going to cross the line and potentially hurt their reputation or keep them from being able to have more amazing guests like Naomi Klein, Senator Chris Dodd, John Dean, and anyone else who might want to come by.</p>
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<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/late-nite-fdl-the-graduation-bell/" rel="nofollow">http://firedoglake.com/2007/11&#8230;..tion-bell/</a></p>
<p>Dump this clown, Christy and Jane, and bring back TRex! Murphy is really not doing your reputation for mature, reality-based coverage of politics any good.</p>
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		<title>By: sona</title>
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		<dc:creator>sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Try Vandana Shiva, &lt;em&gt;Stolen Harvest: The Hijacking of the global Food Supply&lt;/em&gt;, Southend Press, Cambridge, MA, USA, 2000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dr Shiva is a micobiologist and physicist who has campaigned since the mid 1990s against GMO crops, labelling such genetic engineering as the technology of absolute control.  She has established community seed banks across six states in India.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Though the book was published a while ago, its contents remain as relevant today as they were back then.  She presents a series of personalised case studies, meticulously researched and narrated with intimate poignancy.  The cases presented in the book are all from India but they have relevance to what is happening in the USA and has happened in Latin America.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Leave you with a chilling memo penned by Lawrence Summers, Chief Economist with the World Bank, in 1991:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Just between you and me, shouldn’t the World Bank be encouraging more migration of the dirty industries to the LDCs [less developed countries]?…The economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable, and we should face up to that … Under populated countries in Africa are vastly under-polluted; their air quality is probably vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City … The concern over an agent that causes a one-in-a-million change in the odds of prostate cancer is obviously going to be much higher in a country where people survive to get prostate cancer than in a country where under-five mortality is 200 per thousand.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get your head around the central concept of this line of thinking : LDCs are &lt;strong&gt;under&lt;/strong&gt;-polluted, peoples in LDCs have lower life expectancies so its ok to export polluting industries there bc these peoples are unlikely to live long enough to succumb to illnesses which are the byproduct of such pollutants.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Vandana Shiva, <em>Stolen Harvest: The Hijacking of the global Food Supply</em>, Southend Press, Cambridge, MA, USA, 2000.</p>
<p>Dr Shiva is a micobiologist and physicist who has campaigned since the mid 1990s against GMO crops, labelling such genetic engineering as the technology of absolute control.  She has established community seed banks across six states in India.</p>
<p>Though the book was published a while ago, its contents remain as relevant today as they were back then.  She presents a series of personalised case studies, meticulously researched and narrated with intimate poignancy.  The cases presented in the book are all from India but they have relevance to what is happening in the USA and has happened in Latin America.</p>
<p>Leave you with a chilling memo penned by Lawrence Summers, Chief Economist with the World Bank, in 1991:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Just between you and me, shouldn’t the World Bank be encouraging more migration of the dirty industries to the LDCs [less developed countries]?…The economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable, and we should face up to that … Under populated countries in Africa are vastly under-polluted; their air quality is probably vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City … The concern over an agent that causes a one-in-a-million change in the odds of prostate cancer is obviously going to be much higher in a country where people survive to get prostate cancer than in a country where under-five mortality is 200 per thousand.</em></p>
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<p>Get your head around the central concept of this line of thinking : LDCs are <strong>under</strong>-polluted, peoples in LDCs have lower life expectancies so its ok to export polluting industries there bc these peoples are unlikely to live long enough to succumb to illnesses which are the byproduct of such pollutants.</p>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lokywoky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know of one - but it would certainly be interesting to link the mass exodus of farmers from the prairies during the huge foreclosures of the Dust Bowl era, to mechanization and following that to the “chemical” era, and the rise of the mega-farm.  Wow!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d be interested in reading it too!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know of one &#8211; but it would certainly be interesting to link the mass exodus of farmers from the prairies during the huge foreclosures of the Dust Bowl era, to mechanization and following that to the “chemical” era, and the rise of the mega-farm.  Wow!</p>
<p>I’d be interested in reading it too!</p>
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		<title>By: SunnyNobility</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunnyNobility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kirk, or anybody who reads in this area.  I’m looking for a good book dealing with the evolution of ownership of farmland from individuals into the current behemoths.  Any suggestions?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk, or anybody who reads in this area.  I’m looking for a good book dealing with the evolution of ownership of farmland from individuals into the current behemoths.  Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;g’nite kirk. enjoy dinner and hope to see ya for dessert&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g’nite kirk. enjoy dinner and hope to see ya for dessert</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Folks, it’s 8PM and Thers’s post is here.  I’m going to check in with dinner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Thanks to all - new and familiar - who joined us in the discussion tonight - and thanks to all of you for making it productive.  Thanks also to those who joined us to read (sitemeter tells us you’re there.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I look forward to checking back later on to read the discussion here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Working together, we’ll win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And don’t forget: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seizetheday.org/music.cfm?trackID=67&amp;albumID=2&amp;alphabet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Food and Health and Hope&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We’ve got the soya, we’ve got the lawyers,&lt;br /&gt;
 the politicians in our pockets all the way to the President!&lt;br /&gt;
 The press and TV, to guarantee the&lt;br /&gt;
 co-operation of your nation in our new experiment!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, it’s 8PM and Thers’s post is here.  I’m going to check in with dinner.</p>
<p>  Thanks to all &#8211; new and familiar &#8211; who joined us in the discussion tonight &#8211; and thanks to all of you for making it productive.  Thanks also to those who joined us to read (sitemeter tells us you’re there.)</p>
<p>I look forward to checking back later on to read the discussion here.</p>
<p>Working together, we’ll win.</p>
<p>And don’t forget: <a href="http://www.seizetheday.org/music.cfm?trackID=67&amp;albumID=2&amp;alphabet" rel="nofollow">Food and Health and Hope</a></p>
<p>“We’ve got the soya, we’ve got the lawyers,<br />
 the politicians in our pockets all the way to the President!<br />
 The press and TV, to guarantee the<br />
 co-operation of your nation in our new experiment!”</p>
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		<title>By: juslin</title>
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		<dc:creator>juslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well said lokywoky… your name makes me laugh but i understand perfectly what you and dr kirk have said….. the sooner we get back to organics the planet will be a whole lot better off!! thanks&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said lokywoky… your name makes me laugh but i understand perfectly what you and dr kirk have said….. the sooner we get back to organics the planet will be a whole lot better off!! thanks</p>
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