Bill Donohue, whose religious indignation as the head of the Catholic League might seem to the cynical to be more informed by his loyalty to the benificence of The Heritage Foundation than by his loyalty to his catholicism, has unilaterally forgiven Senator McCain's great and good friend Rev. Hagee on behalf of the Roman Catholic church (or, as Rev. Hagee refers to it, the Great Whore)
In an attempt to solidify his backing among evangelicals, McCain actively sought the support of Pastor John Hagee, who heads the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, when he launched his presidential bid last year. McCain's campaign was caught off guard by the uproar over Hagee's comments after the pastor's February endorsement.
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In his letter to the Catholic League today, Hagee said he now understands that other terms he used to describe the church - "the great whore" and the "apostate church" - are "rhetorical devices long employed in anti-Catholic literature." He said he had gained a better understanding in recent weeks of the Catholic Church's relationship to the Jewish faith. Hagee wrote of his "profound respect for the Catholic people" in the letter and said he hoped to advance "greater unity among Catholics and Evangelicals."
So what's our old buddy Bill forgiving Hagee for?
Evangelical leader John Hagee, one of John McCain’s highest-profile supporters from the religious right, has apologized for comments he made that were offensive to Catholics.
In a letter Monday to Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights, Hagee wrote, “I want to express my deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful.”
Pastor Hagee, leader of San Antonio’s Cornerstone Church, has often made references to “the apostate church” and the “great whore,” terms that Catholics say are slurs aimed at the Roman Catholic Church.
In his letter, Hagee said he now better understands that the Book of Revelation’s reference to the Catholic Church by those two terms are “a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary.”
“Neither of these phrases can be synonymous with the Catholic Church,” he wrote.
Donohue, accepting the apology, said on FOX News Radio: “I’m absolutely delighted … I haven’t seen such a quick turnaround in the 15 years that I have been president of the Catholic League.” He said he plans to meet with Hagee on Thursday.
Likening Hagee to two New York shock jocks who encouraged a pair of listeners to attempt to have sex in St. Patrick’s Cathedral in 2002, Donohue added that he is receptive to honest apologies.
“We’re not in the business of rejecting apologies whether it’s from Opie and Anthony or Pastor Hagee so now when we meet we can understand that this issue is moot and behind us and I think it’s a great moment that we can have some degree of reconciliation.”
Honest apologies (and quick turnaround)
Donohue had been noodging Hagee to apologize for more than a decade. He finally succeeded, largely because Hagee was becoming an embarrassment to his political favorite son, Senator John McCain. “I got pretty much what I wanted,” Donohue told me, “but only because this was a presidential year.”
None of that messy moral relativity there.
So who set up this meeting of the moral giants?
Key to the effort was Deal Hudson, a former Southern Baptist turned Catholic from Fort Worth who in 2000 was tapped by political guru Karl Rove to help win Catholics for George W. Bush. This year, Mr. Hudson is on Mr. McCain's Catholic outreach team.
Deal Hudson, one-time point man for Catholic outreach for Our Fearless Leader.
An 18-year-old Fordham freshman in 1994, Poppas had been in-and-out of foster homes from the age of seven. The fourth of nine children, her mother an alcoholic and her father a troubled and disabled Vietnam veteran, Poppas had survived poverty and traumas.
In early February 1994, she approached Hudson with a question. He suggested, she said, that they go to his office and discuss it. "I told him everything about me," Poppas recalled in a four-page document she provided to Fordham administrators in May 1994. "He knew I was … without parents, severely depressed, and even suicidal. I discussed with him why I had lost my faith in God, in humanity, and in myself. He was extremely attentive and genuinely concerned."
On Feb. 15, "Fat Tuesday," Poppas again visited Hudson at his office. Hudson invited her, she said, to join him and a group of NYU students at a bar in the West Village. Later that night, Hudson and Poppas engaged in a sexual encounter that is recounted graphically in a four-page description she provided Fordham University. Her memo is reported on in detail in the story elsewhere on this Web site.
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"Sexual harassment is not tolerated at Fordham University," the school's assistant vice president for public affairs, Elizabeth Schmalz, said in a July 2004 statement provided to NCR. "It subverts the mission of the University and threatens the well-being, educational experiences and careers of students, faculty and staff. It is especially disturbing in the context of a teacher-student relationship."
Continued Schmalz: "Fordham followed its policy rigorously in this case and initiated an investigation into the matter upon receipt of the student's complaint. The professor later surrendered his tenure at Fordham."
Fordham is, so you know, a Jesuit institution. They feel strongly about that sort of thing.
Hudson is now on John McCain's Catholic steering committee, and so, apparently, is Bill Donohue.
From Hudson's account of the meeting he brokered between Donohue and Hagee
We went into Donohue's office for our chat, but first he showed the Hagees the window through which he saw the World Trade Center Towers fall to the ground in 9/11. He told the story of taking his staff to a local pizza restaurant where they prayed together, with the result that some Jews seated nearby asked if they could join in.
The conversation lasted about 45 minutes -- Hagee had to get back to the UN for his evening speech. During that time Hagee and Donohue affirmed their not only the reconciliation but also their future partnership on matters of importance to both them: life, marriage, family, and support for Israel.
Donohue said, "Pastor, you are my friend from this point forward and nothing's going to change that. We have our theological differences but we Catholics and Evangelicals need to work together -- that is the liberals [sic] worse nightmare."
Yeah. Because we're all conflicted about opposing this sort of thing
On the September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air Hagee asserted of Hurricane Katrina: "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades." He later added: "Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."
As the blog Think Progress noted, Hagee made similar comments on the April 22 edition of Dennis Prager's syndicated radio talk show. On April 25, Hagee released a statement asserting that "ultimately neither I nor any other person can know the mind of God concerning Hurricane Katrina. I should not have suggested otherwise." But in a May 7 post to the Dallas Morning News blog Trail Blazers, senior political writer Wayne Slater reported that during "a conference call with religious supporters" that day, "[w]hen a woman on the call asked why he seemed to have backed away from his Katrina comments in face of criticism, Hagee said he hadn't. As for the Katrina, he said, God controls hurricanes and 'God always punishes unconfessed sin.'** You do the math."
Go ahead. Do the math.
*Donohue has been remarkably silent on the subject of Mr. Giuliani's little lapse of taste during the Pope's visit. He's got a fair amount of experience in that area.
**Hagee also has some fascinating theories about jews and the holocaust
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the pope has ordered a circle jerk to celebrate
Goopers!
Hey Julia!
Hey, you.
g’evening julia (using copious amounts of brain bleach after reading that zed)
Aloha, Julia and Suz!
Yeah, I know, I’m sorry. It’s not a subject for the delicate.
C!
You can Digg Julia’s post right here…
Donahue just wants to be a bishop, without any of the accountability (so to speak.)
dugg, neuro (thanks)
Nobody could’ve predicted…
Awww, who the hell am I kidding?
(be kind to this newbie)
ya think he hit the sale rack and picked up several pair of those pointy toed shoes?
Ditto, dang, Julia you didn’t pull any punches…!
Great post Julia!!
Who are all these people!!!??? (Pounding head on desk)
welcome and great delurk, zaprowsdower
once having delurked, it has been the experience of many that ya can not go back to being silent again
looking forward to what you have to say
Who is this fat old douchebag to accept apologies on behalf of the Catholic Church, or Catholics, anyway? Isn’t he just a fat old douchebag within reach of most cable gabfest studios?
Nice to see the fat old douchebags getting along so well.
Perhaps McCain needs to add a new question to his “staff vetting” form: have you ever left a job because of sexual charges against you?
Jeebus, what a buncha fat old douchebags.
lol
Welcome - you can jump in the shallow end if you want. :)
Let me extend a hearty Aloha…! Always a pleasure to see a kindred spirit appear…! 8-)
I’m seeing a whole bunch of great whores in this story.
so, hagee apologized to donahue? excuse me? Donahue is not the church nor the head of the church. wtf?
Hagee looks like all he needs is an apple in his mouth and he’s ready for the oven.
Oh, I just can’t even talk about Hagee.
It would just upset me.
Good Night Firepups All.
Sleep well and we all have tomorrow. :)
More opportunities for More choices.
Love to all of you.
He can apologize all he wants; none of which will make him sane. Hagee truly believes the current wars in the ME represent only the beginning of the full scale Armageddon, the rapture: it has truly begun and the end time wars will only escalate (So it doesn’t matter who may be elected). The wars have begun and “you cant hep it”. His apology will not help him not be nutty as a fruit cake; let alone mean (see Katrina) and rumors abound about his misuse of money…of that I do not know the facts, so am reporting only a rumor as I know it.
Aloha, demi!
Hagee was against great whores before he was for them.
Donahue is a media trollop. He’s not truly concerned about faith or belief or concern for the poor, or caring for the needy . . .
He cares about Bill D, and about Bill D. being the top of the media food chain.
Yum, roast pork…! ;-)
Oh, I did mean to say will NOT make him sane. Sorry
Thanks, cats. I’m a veteran of baby blue. Just looking for a change of pace in ye ole blogosphere
And to show my street cred, Eli must die! ;)
Let them get raptured already and leave us alone….we’ll finally have peace on earth when the warmongerers get raptured.
boa noite demi
g’nite demi
and hahahahah, zaprowsdower
G’nite, demi!
I’m thinking the warmongers might be somewhat surprised when the rapture takes place.
Go Teddy!
Hey. Welcome.
I’m with you. Shocked, shocked, that’s me.
Deal Hudson, one-time point man for Catholic outreach for Our Fearless Leader.
A Karl Rove protege named Deal Hudson? He should be a used car salesman.
(((CT!!!)))
(It’s so freaking hot here, I’ll prolly show up later, like midnight or so….)
zzzzzzzzz
trollop..heh
he definitely is suffering from delusions of grandeur
The tropical trades are nice and breezy here…! ;-0
107 on my deck today
anyone want any of my cheese and whine?
So….when they get raptured, are we just going to be finding tons of crumpled, empty clothing all over the ground???? Is that how we’ll know they’ve gone?
I must not have any cred.
What is the inside joke on ‘Eli must die’?
And what is baby blue?
I DO have a cat, tho.
Baby Blue…?
Please! That makes me picture Hagee in his birthday suit.
using more brain bleach
good think i stocked up for the weekend
Yep. And we get their cars.
Has the great Donohue come out swinging about the Vatican’s UFO stance? Inquiring minds…
77 degrees here, and it’s still daylight…! ;-)
The national IQ will instantaneously increas by 50 points.
Evening everyone!
Baby blue = Eschaton
(nickname Kos gave Atrios)
Yeah, like I’ve said before…they’ll get a rude awakening when they get whereever it is they think they are going and then they all find out they’re nekked!!! hahahahaha…
*setting glare to stun*
Did I just miss, like, three months? ‘Cause I coulda sworn it’s only May!
Argg.
I’ll ask you what zaprowsdower means later…
Like I said, I’ll get up ‘Round Midnight to open up all the windows.
Later, Sweets.
Hiya, madmommy! Got any kitteh pics?
OH please: Just don’t look.
Aloha, MM! How’s the bayou weather?
was 87 here. you have my sympathies.
Welcome!
Ah, thought that might be it. Now, about Eli?
benevidos zapro
And what’s the reference in Julia’s post to Hagee’s speech at the UN, for pity’s sake? Please tell me Hagee hasn’t been speaking at the United Nations? It must be some other UN in NYC, right?
But, it’s soooo dang expensive…! 8-P
Heh. His punnery is legendary over at Atrios’ joint. Since they were so bad, we called for his head. He got the better of us, obviously.
Hotter than the hammered-down hinges of Hell. And wet. Very wet. We were very concerned that we were going to have to finally use our flood insurance Wednesday night, but disaster was averted by an inch or so.
No kitty pics wangdang-still debating the merits of taking on one of mom’s cats vs. picking a kitten from one of the numerous locals available for adoption.
OT: Anyone interested in this?
“Thanks to seven years of Bush’s ultra-conservative appointments to the
courts, the federal judiciary has been shifted far to the right. Now that
his presidency is — finally — almost over, it’s time for the Senate to
stop confirming ANY of his judicial nominees.
Let’s tell Senator Patrick Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary
Committee, that he should shut down the judicial confirmations process
until a new president is sworn in next January.
I hope you’ll have a look and take action.
http://act.credoaction.com/cam.....;rc=mailto
nevermind, menopause attack, was thinking of wobbbly’s foundling.
Thanks for the splainin’ and welcome to the Lake!
so the haggee problem goes away because one asshat apologizes to the other asshat?
Their talking on CNN about McC’s age and having to take into account his skin cancer and war wounds also. They did mention his mom’s age and genes, but they omit his dad’s heart attack at the age of 70. But at least they are addressing this important issue. Maybe he is just a puppet head for some one else.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/.....94D9484D81
boosh goes to Saudi Arabia to hold hands with the muslim princes and beg them to increase oil production to reduce the price of oil to give McSame an outside chance of becoming preznit
Saudis say “NO”
Oil hits a new record high price per barrel today
Heckuva job, Georgie!
Oh, wait…
no pics yet. glad to have evening and night off (yay mr wobbs)
I’d love to be on a talk show and be loose enough to say, “Well Bill, I always wanted to be a Catholic until you entered the picture. Then I figured any church that would have you as a prominent member, I didn’t want any part of it.”
Same for Hagee, Parsley, all the rest of the Phucking Pharisees.
No clue. He’s on the record as saying that they’re the antichrist.
Did you know he was defrocked for adultery? I heart Wikipedia.
Thanks! Mostly been a lurker, but things are little freaked out in the blogoshwagenstein right now. Just looking for what Grandpa Simpson calls a “calmative”.
Just remember, we get all their stuff.
The old clothes can be used to make paper. Unless they wear that polyester crap. Oh shit, they do, don’t they?
Interested and signed!
Amen, signed, sealed and delivered! What astounds me is the fact Leahy will still allow the process to continue when he knows the election will change the scenario…!
If there’s one thing this place is blessed with, it’s ninja mods. Calm will be had.
Voila! Ain’t it cool how that works?
*barf*
Now that’s a gorgeous little tiger.
*innocent look*
We do a real nice calmative on Saturday mornings, Christy’s “Pull Up A Chair”.
I guess it will solve the energy crisis too.
please, no more defrocking of Hagee in my presence…
why is that not a surprise?
Great. And good question. I had read that W is still really trying to make hay on the bench by making appointments that will still be his but among the less controversial. Imagine that he still has a plan.
Thanks! That’s his badass look. He does cute, too.
*bows and sheaths katana*
707!
Do you suppose Hagee, Limbaugh, and Rove are brothers???
Probably more like a threesome.
Where have you been, TLM?
PS I have some pecan walnut brownies around here somewhere….
Eww.
they do look alike, don’t they? A bunch of doughy fists with eyes
Heh, ya had to delurk, eh? There goes your stealthiness…! *g*
Had to look that one up.
Katana.
brain bleach, por favor
I’ve got the organic milk.
Maybe. Or, just pals. Those wierdos that didn’t have friends in school. The thing that scares me most about this election is that the call for change will come to be too strange/risky for many people, and we will get the old white guy. (Now Ive said it: just a fear in my stomach)
having that mental picture on the brain will prevent ya from ever having sex again
pouring 55 gal drums of brain bleach into the lake waters
Good to know.
Not that I don’t love my peeps, just need a break. Though, I got to meet the greats Watertiger & Thers & and Jane (doubt she remembers me) at EschaCon back in March.
We’re mostly good folk, sincerely… : )
Hey Teddy!
I am happy that not all Republicans are dickheads. Congrats on the court ruling. I assume SF is just hopping on this news. The caterers will be busy in a month!
Thank you Margot.
I will be taking those off your hands, but you must pick out the walnuts first.
I will admit that my memory becomes more like swiss cheese every day, but it seems like in past elections the candidate who locked up the nomination early picked a VP pretty quickly. It seems odd to me that McCain is still mute on this. Given his age and medical history, as well as his propensity for sticking his foot in his mouth at every opprotunity, seems like he would have announced a VP by now. It would give him a bounce, as well as take some of the heat (such as it is) off his complete lack of a moral compass. Wonder why he’s waiting?
Sorry. Couldn’t resist. :)
Maybe, but with 82% of the country hating Bushco’s policies…I dunno…it really wouldn’t surprise me though..