In what looks to be the first step for Barack Obama to help Hillary Clinton pay off her campaign debt (without really saying that's what he's doing), both Obama and Clinton have signed a joint fundraising agreement with the DNC:
As part of the agreement, a new entity, “Democratic White House Victory Fund,” has been formed. The fund will allow both candidates to raise money for the Party, forming one joint fundraising committee account that will accept money for the nominee’s primary and general election and for the DNC.
McCain is doing much the same thing with the RNC and the "McCain Victory 08" fund, which was set up to skirt the intent of McCain/Feingold:
The new structure allows up to $70,000 in individual contributions by channeling the money into different McCain-centric funds. The first $2,300 of that would go to McCain’s primary campaign. The Republican National Committee would receive $28,500 of the donation. The remaining funds would be divided equally, up to $10,000 a piece, among four states the campaign has designated as battlegrounds for November: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado and New Mexico.
McCain and the RNC say they'll raise $120 million through the fund. He can do this and still take public financing in the general -- worth $84 million. Since McCain has installed loyal lobbyist Frank Donatelli to oversee this fund at the RNC, his campaign effectively controls both. Now that the Bush administration has removed FEC Chairman David Mason, who raised uncomfortable questions that could affect McCain re-joining the public financing system for the general, that path for the cash-strapped McCain seems ever more likely.
Of course, Obama could do the same thing through the DNC. I spoke to a knowledgeable reform advocate, who offered this opinion about what Obama should/will do:
1. Agree to a spending limit with McCain set at the amount of public money. Tell McCain, if you want to raise it or take the public money, whatever. Doesn’t matter.
2. Pledge to limit his own donations to $200.
3. Say he’ll revisit 1) and 2) if attacked by GOP 527s or c4s, or in a particularly vicious way by the RNC or state parties (like NC GOP Wright ad)
4. Shut up about 527 spending from progressive groups — it’s drying up money for down-ballot races — not just his own — and tying everyone’s hands behind their backs.
The last one is particularly important. Since many 527s support both the Presidential candidate and Senate/House candidates, discouraging contributions to these groups creates problem for Democrats in other races who depend on these vehicles for support, too.
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jus cogens!
well Jane,
thanks for explaining the fundraising details, but no thanks for that picture of McCain going in for the hickey bite.
i think if they stop …right now ill contribute…if NOT they may go POUND SAND!
I don’t know about hickeys - that looks like the vampire’s “kiss” if I ever saw one.
Roger Stone’s 527, Citizens United Not Timid dot org, page won’t load for me. Just checking to see if he’s still in bizniss. Probably a 527 with no further usefulness.
I am having a bit of difficulty in seeing how #3 and #4 are not contradicting, even hypocritical?
How can Obama ask McGop to stay away from 527’s (with caveats) yet support Dem 527’s?
does the “Democratic White House Victory Fund” also skirt the intent of McCain/Feingold?
The Clintons are not a positive for Democrats or Obama under any scenario. The Clintons have no good plans for Obama as far as I can tell. So paying off the Clintons? If this is necessary to obtain the support of their supporters it needs to be done, but the Clintons should remain discredited and be marginalized.
Off Topic, as usual, but here’s last night’s sunset and some of the signs I left up on my way from LA:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....stngs.html
It amazes me there aren’t a million of us by now. Or a hundred. Or at least ten.
Obama is best served by doing what he wishes to do and not entering into any agreements with McCain. McCain simply can’t be trusted to hold to any agreement and will end up criticizing Obama anyway. As for the Clinton thing, this is noblesse oblige on the part of Obama toward someone who has shown little in the way of noblesse or oblige.
I need to find a creative solution to lacking fenced overpasses…love your sunset photo by the way.
I think what it shows is that McCain/Feingold was a bandaid on an arterial bleed.
This is completely and utterly OT, but it made me cry. I did not know about this story at all. This, my friends, is a story about real, genuine faith and belief.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20.....5utF.s0NUE
1. Agree to a spending limit with McCain set at the amount of public money. Tell McCain, if you want to raise it or take the public money, whatever. Doesn’t matter.
That idea sucks McCain will lie and spend more money if he can get it, anyway trusting McCain on political fundraising is a no brainer just don’t do it, this man has no Cred on the subject.
fair enough. but i can’t sign up for giving mccain a hard time about something if my probable candidate is going to do the same. that is all.
This could be positive Hilary can’t demand the nomination for VP if Obama is paying her way. But only if Hilary leaves now.
2. Pledge to limit his own donations to $200.
What the Hell Cindy won’t even report her tax returns and you expect McCain to self report and return any contribution above $200.
i’d love to be challenged on this, but my first take is that i don’t want to see obama make any agreements with either mccain or clinton.
1) it legitimizes mccain’s fundraising bs while putting constraints on obama that the MSM will constantly be trying to show he violated even if he didn’t
2) it seems that the whole dnc/clinton thing is a way to keep donors from being able to specify where they want their donations to go. i’d rather see people choose where they donate: obama, the dnc or clinton.
3. Say he’ll revisit 1) and 2) if attacked by GOP 527s or c4s, or in a particularly vicious way by the RNC or state parties (like NC GOP Wright ad)
By then the damage is already done McCain will just wait until he gets another Rev Wright story and then scrap the peace treaty! What Obama should do to quote T-Rex is ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!
Did everyone see this? California Supreme Court Overturns Gay Marriage Ban
The ruling paves the way for California to become the second
state where gay men and lesbians can marry.
Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na
Yeah!
makes more sense to me to contribute directly to grassroots candidates.
The Clintons are real opponents of progressive Democrats by virtue of their absence of commitment to anything outside their myopic self interests. It would be pointless and harmful to continue the Clintons wasteful and purposeless personal saga. That said, anything that can prevent the Clintons from claiming further attention should be done: pay off their campaign debt, reconcile their voters to the Obama candidacy. But no more Carvilles, Bergers, Tenets, Davis, McAuliffes etc.
Why should a million plus small Obama donors (or anyone for that matter) pay off 20 million misspent Clinton dollars? Isn’t 90 plus million left in their personal holdings enough for them?
I don’t like the idea of a super rich candidate holding the party hostage.
i hear you,i wish i could do it…but i use my extremely big MOUTHPIECE all the time
On this I can’t either. I do think though that McCain broke the law withdrawing from public financing the way he did. But in an electoral system as corrupted by money as this one, it is impossible for any to be untainted by it. Some like McCain are just more hypocritical about it, but even that is relative.
agreed. but if i were inclined to donate to a presidential candidate, i’d be pissed if my $ went somewhere else.
October 527 surprise.. No or very little time to react..
The Republics will now try to make gay marriage the most important issue facing the United States.
if they both write sequels and sell the movie rights they are whole again
They probably don’t have 90 million. In their tax returns, accoring to the NYT they reported gross income of approximately 100 million which would be taxed at ordinary income rates for some of it and partnership tax rates for some of it. Their liquid net worth is an unknown.
trees, posts, the backs of signs on divided highways… anything you can see while driving is a place where a sign is going to be read. the trick is to use a stiff medium, not sheets or paper, so the things remain readable… and to use some smarts in terms of how easily the sign can be reached by the people who see it. It’s much easier to pull off in large cities with flyaway ramps and the like than out in the plains though… hell of a lot of fun.
OT from CCR Oppose a Sweeping New Federal DNA Database! Say NO to the DNA Fingerprint Act!
Hip Hip HOORAY!!!!!!
Where’s Teddy?
Just saw the news. 4-3 vote on the court does not bode very well but need to see the details and find out how the wingnuts are going to try to tear it apart.
A good day to celebrate, none the less.
We are the Rev’s, all right. A friend gave me mine when I was graduating divinity school, + a T shirt, and I have always really enjoyed the name. It is a good way for even the kids to be a little respectful
Fair enough, though I read late revisions placed their position a bit higher.
Nonetheless.. Cry me a river of million dollar tears.
Here I am!
We are celebrating here, and enjoying CNN’s confusion. Apparently their legal beagles misread the ruling initially, and called it the wrong way.
Sort of reminds me of the Bush v Gore excitement, with local newsanchors reading the ruling on the air across the street from the Supreme Court building here in SF.
Except with a much nicer outcome, of course.
The Governator sez he will enforce the ruling, and that he still opposes the attempt this fall to write discrimination into our constitution via ballot initiative.
A very, very good day!
Here’s a more complete story on the CA Supreme Court Gay Marriage ruling. Now, back to reading the whole thing.
Done
Congratulations Teddy!
yeah!!!
Cool who cares if the GOP uses this against us I want them to have the false hope of running against this issue. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....y_of_needs
These are the basic human needs for such things as food, warmth, water, and other body needs. If a person is hungry or thirsty or his body is chemically unbalanced, all of his energies turn toward remedying these deficiencies, and other needs remain inactive. Maslow explains that, “Anyone who attempts to make an emergency picture into a typical one, and who will measure all of man’s goals and desires by his behavior during extreme physiological deprivation, is certainly blind to many things. It is quite true that man lives by bread alone — when there is no bread
High gas prices, wages that have not gone up in years in relation to a falling dollar, high rice and WHEAT PRICES. The GOP base can’t worry about Gays getting married if filling up their SUV’s is bankrupting them and their getting kicked out of their homes.
Sheesh! I remember when Pasta was a poor person’s food at this rate Ramen Noodles might be high priced cuisine if we have a bad harvest.
You cannot get past the first stage of Maslow’s Hierarchy without taking care of your survival needs.
The GOP’s only hope is to convince people its not Bush’s fault its the Gay’s getting married and the brown people cutting your lawn who are responsible for the War and the high price of gas.
They are the threat to survival!
How many Californians will die in Iraq or Afghanistan while Republics obsess over gay marriage? How many Californians will have their homes forclosed while Republics obsess over gay marriage? How many Californians will lose thier jobs while Republics obsess over gay marriage? How many Californians will divorce while Republics obsess over gay marriage? How high will gas prices rise while Republics obsess over gay marriage?
Let’s get rid of Republics and keep gay marriage.
Tula has newness on working women
Yay, for Maslow. As for the rest and what we say in TX: That dog won’t hunt. Esp for all this younger generation who do not give a rat’s a**.
Let’s get rid of Republics and keep gay marriage.
I’ll drink to that.
After several years of legalized gay marriage in MA, the sky did not fall, the divorce rate remains one of the lowest in the nation, people still go to their respective houses of worship, kids still get a good education (mostly) and life goes on. Whaddaya know?
Here’s a younger, very nasty McCain berating Dolores Alfond. McCain points out that a particular General who is seventy years old (and is very old and wise) should be taken at his word because he is very old, decorated and beyond reproach. Here, McCain thinks that a 70 year old is a very old (feeble) guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg
The Clintons leave a sour taste in my mouth. In their political life it has always been about them, the party is far down the list. I do not want Obama to help payoff debts from that fiscally mismanaged campaign.
The Democratic Party will blossom to new heights when the Clintons exit the stage.
Actually, while they peat the drums loudly for banning gay marriage, they quietly work in states to get ID laws passed for voting. They can’t win on the issues so they will try to disenfranchise the voters. And that may work for them. Chilling. I fear for what is happening in Missouri.
Just got off the phone with my daughter about the court ruling. She and her partner were married in Washington DC in a Unitarian church, with a Quaker Certificate of Marriage. The Certificate was used long ago when Quaker marriages were not recognized in the eyes of the state.
As far as we know theirs was the first Washington Post wedding announcement that used the phrase “were married” for a same-sex couple. My daughter can be very determined :) A sympathetic editor put their announcement at the top of the page of Celebrations.
They now live in California as domestic partners with some, but not all, of the legal benefits of being married.
It’s a complicated situation for same-sex couples. For example, they file state taxes as married, and federal taxes as single, since the federal government does not recognize their union.
It will be fascinating to see what changes occur as a result of the court ruling.
That’s the same situation for couples in VT, MA, and CT too, and I think now NH. Yes, it requires calculating 2 sets of tax returns. I wonder if TurboTax has designed that into their system yet? With CA jumping in, they will have to.
is selise still here????
lookie here
The zionist government of Israel is no friend of African-Americans. Before the end of white-only rule there was a world-wide boycott against selling weapons to South Africa. The Israeli government became South Africa’s major weapons supplier. This is the kind of behavior that kept the evil of anti-semitism alive.
Ordinary Americans, blacks, immigrants, and the rest of us don’t have a “stalwart ally” in the government of Israel at all. Zionism is a trap for the Jewish people designed to get them to do the dirty work of American and European oil corporations.
The first thing we have to do to bring peace to the middle east is to demand a stop to US military aid to Israel. Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party politicians are as much to blame as the Republicans when it comes to misleading the American people about our real interests in the middle east.
KOS
Dropping by to say Congratulations to Teddy and all our Gay/Lesbian friends !
California, Welcome to the 21st Century !!!
As our former Prime Minister of Canada, Paul Martin said, this is a Human Rights issue
and the U.N. reiterates that point.
The Clintons “debt” should be paid off asap to marginalize the Clintons and their “claims”. I agree it is unfair. But we need to move forward together fast with Clinton voters and supporters without the Clintons holding more fundraisers and continuing their candidacy as one rationale for doing so. Remember they cannot directly fund their debt once they have ceased being “candidates”
so Jane, the $64,000 question is, does he even want to consider Clinton as VP now that she has used the race card on him?, or was it forgivable?
Sorry, referring to what? Israel? Gays?
Marriage of gays/lesbians. See Paul Martin’s Eloquent Stand for Equality.