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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon Welcomes Tim Shorrock, Author of Spies for Hire</title>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Boy, I wish I had come here earlier or perhaps been able to scan in the response I got from good old Liddy Dole regarding my letter to her about retroactive immunity for telecoms.  I will eventually get it properly scanned with an OCR capability.  It’s already scanned as a pdf file.  I may be able to send it in its current form, but I can’t publish it here, yet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, I wish I had come here earlier or perhaps been able to scan in the response I got from good old Liddy Dole regarding my letter to her about retroactive immunity for telecoms.  I will eventually get it properly scanned with an OCR capability.  It’s already scanned as a pdf file.  I may be able to send it in its current form, but I can’t publish it here, yet.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks a lot for joining us, Tim. Good luck with the book events.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for joining us, Tim. Good luck with the book events.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My sense is that once the mass of our personal data (from financial, to healthcare to cable viewing habits) passes into the hands of private “data aggregators”, various government agencies, and their equally various, unregulated private contractors, any privacy rights are washed away.  The data is “fair game” for private analysis and commercialization as it is for whatever legitimate intel issues pop up from time to time.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it’s all a secret shared by public employees hiding behind state secrets and national security concerns and their private industry buds, most of whom are able to promise lucrative life-after-government careers to McConnell, his minions and successors.  Conflict of interest issues abound and dictate that Congress impose practical regulations in this area.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s nothing novel about that.  Just as the rest of the industrialized world treats healthcare and pensions as legitimate issues requiring state protection, they also regulate data protection.  EU and other rules make exceptions for the needs of “national security”, but I question whether any government outside Russia or China has such out-sized, Texan notions of what gets lumped into “national security” as do we.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sense is that once the mass of our personal data (from financial, to healthcare to cable viewing habits) passes into the hands of private “data aggregators”, various government agencies, and their equally various, unregulated private contractors, any privacy rights are washed away.  The data is “fair game” for private analysis and commercialization as it is for whatever legitimate intel issues pop up from time to time.  </p>
<p>And it’s all a secret shared by public employees hiding behind state secrets and national security concerns and their private industry buds, most of whom are able to promise lucrative life-after-government careers to McConnell, his minions and successors.  Conflict of interest issues abound and dictate that Congress impose practical regulations in this area.</p>
<p>There’s nothing novel about that.  Just as the rest of the industrialized world treats healthcare and pensions as legitimate issues requiring state protection, they also regulate data protection.  EU and other rules make exceptions for the needs of “national security”, but I question whether any government outside Russia or China has such out-sized, Texan notions of what gets lumped into “national security” as do we.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for clarifying &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just a footnote about McConnell, Booz Allen and contracts; I’m on the DoD listserve along with DoS among a few others, and occasionally a nugget of info pops up on my screen, especially in the contracts… like this one &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Booz Allen Hamilton, Inc., of Herndon, Va., is being awarded a contract for $6,304,373. This action provides for the Information Assurance Technical Analysis Center to research a state-of-art 3D facial recognition biometrics program and prepare a final technical report. At this time $289,855 has been obligated. 55CONS/LGCD, Offutt Air Force Base, Neb., is the contracting activity (SP0700-98-D-4002, Delivery Order 0332).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defenselink.mil/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=3707&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.defenselink.mil/con.....actid=3707&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying </p>
<p>Just a footnote about McConnell, Booz Allen and contracts; I’m on the DoD listserve along with DoS among a few others, and occasionally a nugget of info pops up on my screen, especially in the contracts… like this one </p>
<blockquote><p>Booz Allen Hamilton, Inc., of Herndon, Va., is being awarded a contract for $6,304,373. This action provides for the Information Assurance Technical Analysis Center to research a state-of-art 3D facial recognition biometrics program and prepare a final technical report. At this time $289,855 has been obligated. 55CONS/LGCD, Offutt Air Force Base, Neb., is the contracting activity (SP0700-98-D-4002, Delivery Order 0332).</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=3707" rel="nofollow">http://www.defenselink.mil/con&#8230;..actid=3707</a></p>
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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(ew: server logs show any interesting visitors reading along with us today?  like ovp enjoying your work during the libby trial?)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(ew: server logs show any interesting visitors reading along with us today?  like ovp enjoying your work during the libby trial?)</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Laura Flanders has &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/15/grittv-interview-with-matt-taibbi-author-of-the-great-derangement/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another edition&lt;/a&gt; of GRITtv available for anyone who may be interested!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura Flanders has <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/15/grittv-interview-with-matt-taibbi-author-of-the-great-derangement/" rel="nofollow">another edition</a> of GRITtv available for anyone who may be interested!</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great salon EW and Tim, thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great salon EW and Tim, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But what do you do, then, if you’re outsourcing everything? What’s to stop one of these companies–or even one of its employees, who after all has already chosen money over country–to sell all this data to other countries, potentially including blackmail information? It seems like with corporations, it would be hopeless to conduct any meaningful counterintelligence, even ignoring the prevalence of the profit motive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Angleton would have a fit about outsourcing. I think he’d call it the dumbest idea ever to come out of the White House.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Traditionally, every spy had to have a minder whose job it is to make sure that your spy is dependent on you, and no one else. One of the Bush-Cheney gang’s ideas was to outsource everything so that business could make money at public expense. But when they extended that concept to intelligence, they lost sight of oversight/controll of their own assets. Its a bit like outsourcing security of your crown jewels to the lowest bidder. SURE we’ll keep your assets safe. Just give’em all to us, and trust us. Yessiree, we’ll take care of you. Heh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But what do you do, then, if you’re outsourcing everything? What’s to stop one of these companies–or even one of its employees, who after all has already chosen money over country–to sell all this data to other countries, potentially including blackmail information? It seems like with corporations, it would be hopeless to conduct any meaningful counterintelligence, even ignoring the prevalence of the profit motive.</p>
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<p>I think Angleton would have a fit about outsourcing. I think he’d call it the dumbest idea ever to come out of the White House.</p>
<p>Traditionally, every spy had to have a minder whose job it is to make sure that your spy is dependent on you, and no one else. One of the Bush-Cheney gang’s ideas was to outsource everything so that business could make money at public expense. But when they extended that concept to intelligence, they lost sight of oversight/controll of their own assets. Its a bit like outsourcing security of your crown jewels to the lowest bidder. SURE we’ll keep your assets safe. Just give’em all to us, and trust us. Yessiree, we’ll take care of you. Heh.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Shorrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Shorrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear readers, I have to go - have a reading in a little while. Thanks for your interest and the many good questions. I really enjoyed the salon and hope to be back someday. You can keep track of me and my reporting on my blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timshorrock.com.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.timshorrock.com.&lt;/a&gt; FYI, I have a major article on the domestic implications of NSA surveillance coming up very soon in Salon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Best, Tim Shorrock&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear readers, I have to go &#8211; have a reading in a little while. Thanks for your interest and the many good questions. I really enjoyed the salon and hope to be back someday. You can keep track of me and my reporting on my blog, <a href="http://www.timshorrock.com." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.timshorrock.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.timshorrock.com</a>. FYI, I have a major article on the domestic implications of NSA surveillance coming up very soon in Salon.</p>
<p>– Best, Tim Shorrock</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/15/grittv-interview-with-matt-taibbi-author-of-the-great-derangement/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New GritTV post upstairs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/15/grittv-interview-with-matt-taibbi-author-of-the-great-derangement/" rel="nofollow">New GritTV post upstairs</a></p>
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