It’s admittedly a stretch, but there is a glass-half-full way to see the racial divide in the Tuesday’s West Virginia primary. When Rev. Jesse Jackson ran his campaign for president in 1988, he got 14 percent of the vote against eventual nominee Michael Dukakis. Not only did Illinois Sen. Barack Obama get almost double the percentage of the vote that Jackson got 20 years earlier, in terms of the raw vote totals he got more than four times the actual votes that Jackson got during his landmark campaign.
That’s progress of a sort — with the huge asterisk, of course, that Barack Obama, for good or ill, is no Jesse Jackson.
Nonetheless, there are undeniably troubling signs that lower-income, working-class voters in states like West Virginia are more repulsed by the idea of Obama’s smiling biracial benevolence in the White House than they are by the dour but undiluted whiteness of John McCain.
There’s only one way to attack that, and it begins with a line that Jackson himself often used as he traveled through electorally unfriendly territory: We may have come to America in different ships, but we’re in the same boat now. And we are all destined to drown if we don’t unite against the forces that are destroying our common dreams.
There is no doubt that Obama gets that message. But if he is to be an effective standard bearer for progressive change over the coming weeks and months, he is going to need to more assertively focus on the corrosive economic forces that are no respecter of race.
The effects are plain to see in "The Stress Test: A State-by-State Assessment of America’s Economic Health and a Prescription for Change," a report released this week by the Campaign for America’s Future, where I work. That report outlines just some of the economic pain being felt by working families.
The numbers are illuminating for a state like West Virginia, where Bush administration economic policies have not its people any favors. Since 2000, the state has seen a 25 percent decline in manufacturing jobs and a 6 percent drop in goods-producing jobs. While the state’s unemployment rate is a bit lower than it was in 2000, the average weekly wage of its workforce has only increased $24, in inflation-adjusted terms, since 2000. Of course, that $24 increase is quickly overwhelmed by such items as a 137 percent increase in the cost of a gallon of gasoline, the increased bite from health care costs (the percentage of people spending a quarter of their income on health care is up 42 percent since 2000) and the skyrocketing cost of college education — up 36 percent since 2000.
The people who have to live with this pain on a day-to-day basis are certainly susceptible to the old conservative blame game — blame Washington, blame "San Francisco liberals," blame illegal immigrants, blame al-Qaida, blame godless homosexuals and their gay pride parades. But they are also susceptible to a well-honed message that focuses their ire on eight years of policies that have favored corporations over people, and shows how conservatives who said they would get government off our backs have actually put government in their pockets, to serve the interests of their political contributors and cronies.
One of the facts that stood out in a recent Brookings Institution report about the relative economic conditions of black and white families was that not only have black men been losing economic ground since 2000 — from almost $30,000 in median personal income in 2000 to under $25,000 in 2005 — but white men are losing ground as well. When it comes to a dysfunctional economy, we are all in this together. The solutions — such as a fair trade policy, real economic stimulus that puts people to work rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure, tax policies that favor families rather than corporations that outsource jobs, and investments in a green energy future — connect to the same needs of voters in central Kentucky as they do to the voters of central Detroit or central Los Angeles.
As disheartening as it has been to see how quickly voters can get caught up in sideshows (such as the mind-meld between Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright that clearly didn’t take) and outright falsehoods (Obama’s "schooling in a madrassa") the good news is that a growing percentage of Americans are seeing through the Bush administration’s happy talk about its policies.
Obama needs to continue to speak directly and forcefully to the economic anxieties of working people and not shy away from offering progressive, populist solutions. It will be difficult, but the rainbow coalition that Jackson’s presidential campaigns envisioned is in reach.
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So, Isaiah!
Two mornings in a row?
I fully expect the GOP to fan the flames though. It’ all they have left.
From Pharyngula looking at wingnut Michael Medved’s recent comments: National Flaming Racist Idiot week
Jesse Jackson’s address at the 1988 Democratic National Convention in Atlanta, Georgia, is among my all-time favorite speeches.
It’s a hoot. From my (obviously unbiased)observations, it is the right that is the shallow end of the gene pool.
The New Eugenics.
Mods, mods, cleanup on the paragraph. Thank you.
Mornin’ Isiah and Firedogs,
Obama needs to continue to speak directly and forcefully to the economic anxieties of working people
and I’d start with a little scorched earth in WV and KY -
Look What Happens When You Back These Guys !
Where I live, if you are poor and white, your only opportunity(you think because this is the way the recruiters ’sell’ it)to rise is…to join the military to get the crappy educational benefits. Studies have shown that the big economic expansion of the 1950s and 1960s was fueled by the GI bill and its economic and educational benefits. But for the Goopers, the poor are only good for being manipulated by fear(so that they vote the way the Goopers want them to vote)and to be cannon fodder. That message has got to get out there.
Nazi Supermen = Republicans
AYYYYYY!! and of course we still have Elaine Chao.
i’m just not seeing this… although, i’ve only started looking at a very small bit of polling data, so it’s very likely i’m missing something.
i see the white/black divide. but couldn’t the income differences really be a secondary issue that is confounded by the differences between people from areas with high population density vs low population density? (and possibly a history of living in or traveling to a metropolitan area, although there is no polling data on that – wild guess on my part).
is it really about class or could it be urban vs non-urban experience?
the true believers in Capitalism as, or all but, a religion favor that — weed out the money from the pockets of the less educated, or the less informed, and it seems most delightedly from the less intelligent; and then compost it into soiled richness in offshore accounts
s/b “fervor that”
And, don’t forget, we can’t provide better benefits now ‘cuz it’ll “hurt retention.” Even McBu’ush thinks so.
You can just hear bush saying “hecka of job Dickie”.
does anyone have cnn’s exit polling data in a spreadsheet? i’m kinda interested in looking at it, but not enough to go to the effort of creating a spreadsheet from cnn’s weird webpages.
Right — so, we’ve got to do this sneaky back door retention thing called ’stop loss’? Involuntary servitude? Breaking the contracts they’ve signed? That isn’t ‘hurting’ retention? That isn’t going to ‘hurt’ recruitment? Oh no. No problems there – we’ve just got to sign up people with felony convictions and let them loose on the Iraqi populace. Great job. Turn our military into a bunch of thugs (oh, I forgot..those are Blackwater..our guys are…mmm…can’t think of a word here…).
Maybe when Obama talks about rebuilding America’s infrastructure he could say that we will start with the poorer areas of the country first to help those most in need of help.
Everyone will realize then that voting GOP means a vote against local good paying jobs. McCain can try and copy Obama’s plan but all Obama has to do is say Right a Republican spend money to help people?
What About Katrina what about all the people losing their homes? Where was Bush I mean McCain then? Oh its an election now! no wonder John is all smiles wanting to help!
Anyway Obama needs to focus more on what these voters want AND CAMPAIGN THERE MORE!
Yup. Been sayin’ it all along. The only thing missing was an old, senile, sick von Hindenberg to wrest supreme power from. They’ve used the years 1933-44 in Germany as a playbook for their power grab. Now they’re reliving the period 6 Jun 44 to May 45. There will come a day when each and every one of these people will meet their counterpart in hell.
Yeah that New GI bill that McCain won’t support we need to ring that around his neck. Good identifying an issue we should use to connect with voters in West Virgina and with poor voters everywhere!
Listening to McCain about hyperpartisanship, his goals for accomplishment in a first term.
You’re exactly right, Isaiah, about the importance of showing we’re all in the same boat. We must all double-down and work hard to put Democrats in the White House and more Congressional and state seats.
Because while McCain’s doing his grandfatherly sincerely bemoaning about “hyperpartisanship,” the Current Occupant of the WH is over in Israel lashing out at Obama [not by name, although CNN confirmed that it’s a direct reference to Obama] and likening him to appeasers of the Nazis.
The CNN story’s here, Prairie Today commentary here.
What do voters want – everywhere? Voters want jobs. Not the promise of jobs, not the hope of jobs. Jobs and jobs that pay living wages. Voters want education for their kids. Not the promise of an education, not the opportunity for an education..education. Voters want healthcare. Not coverage, not a system that makes them pay so much out of their pockets that they can’t afford anything – healthcare. Voters want energy independence – cheap gas is a sop…they want to be warm in the winter and reasonably cool in the summer. Energy independence. This list can go on and on -
Good post.
while decimating the National Guard -and those serving in the Guard. Many a young American will think twice before signing up for the Guard now.
What BobbyG said.
Again great idea to get solder votes Obama needs to say he will stop, stop loss orders unless we are attacked that and we are pulling the troops out of Iraq on day one of his administration.
We can really corner the solder vote and their friends and family this way.
Mayor Daley said something about for every person he got a city job he got that person’s vote their wives, inlaws, and kid’s vote.
I think we can make that principle work for us now.
which comes back full circle to jobs. Democrats must show we are committed to putting America back to work. J-OB-ama ‘08!
Sadly to say that there is a long tradition by Pols on both sides of the divide of promising the moon and not even trying to deliver.
One of my best examples of what has happened with the Guard came when everyone from Fort Drum(back to Watertown folks) were sent to Iraq. That winter, the Watertown area(known for its snowfall because it’s at the eastern end of Lake Ontario – these people beat Buffalo every single year in terms of snowfalls)got a storm that sat over the lake for four days and put down 7(that’s seven) feet of snow. The NYS Police had to shut the interstate(I81) that goes through that area because they could not keep up. People were having to be rescued off their roofs. And I saw a photograph of all of the areas plows and snow removal equipment sitting there at Fort Drum – which had been providing the snow removal for the area…for years…because all the heavy equipment guys were…in Iraq. Communities have been crippled in terms of their ability to do emergency work because their units and equipment have been sent overseas to do Bush/Cheney’s dirty work.
And let Washington both Dem and GOP is to the right of OUR 70% majority on these issues. Its our job to yell at them and tell them what we want F the Main Stream Media *cough* reporting the issues or the will of the people!
And the Reich Wing is well aware of it. I got a poll call in advance of our primary a few days ago. The lead question was, “In the upcoming primary are fiscal issues or social issues like abortion and gay marriage more important in making your decision?”
It turns out they thought I was a Republican. Idiots. But they are pushing the message. In the GOoP primary for the NM 2nd district nomination, the candidates are falling all over themselves to show just how socially conservative they are. One of them (Newman) has an ad out now whose primary message is that he’s been a Sunday School teacher for over 20 years.
This qualifies someone to be a Congresscritter?
I hope you’re correct about this. Recent history suggests otherwise, though. P.T. Barnum said, “No one ever went broke underestimating public taste.” I’m not sure that anyone’s lost a recent election by underestimating the electorate’s reasoning ability.
BC
There he goes again, Bush, hiding behind the Israeli knesset to take partisan political shots at Obama. He’s good at that, isn’t he?…typical bully behaviour.
Obama campaign responds quickly “cowboy” and Obama responds saying Bush knows he’s misleading. CNN replays Bush speech soundbite and reply from Robert Gibbs of the Obama campaign.
But there needs to be strong pushback about this from all quarters, because this is a direct assault on all of us. Yeah, I know you’re sayin’, it’s Bush, what else is new….
CHASING THE RAINBOW as sung by registered Democrats “America” of Horse With No Name fame.
But they are certainly willing to brace up the stupid people in the big banks and insurance companies. If that money had been put to the disposal of people who wanted to start businesses, get education, etc. the economic engine in this country would not be in the sad shape it is.
P.T. Barnum said, “No one ever went broke underestimating public taste.”
___________
IIRC, that was H.L. Mencken — “No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.”
The trick is: how do we do that? Where do we get the *gag*capital*gag* to rebuild our manufacturing sector? What will we produce that can compete with the slave/child/sweatshop labour produced goods from China? How do we reduce the rampant consumerism, the reliance on debt to fuel materialistic lifestyles?
Harry S Truman is quoted as saying: Carry the battle to them. Don’t let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive. And don’t ever apologize for anything.
Good advice in this climate wherein the President goes to Israel to trash Obama to Jews in Florida! My advice to him would be to go full boar after Bush and McBush on both their approach to economics and their approach to the war, as well as the damage they’ve done to the US reputation in the world at large.
What state are you in? The GOP may be asking certain questions in certain areas cause they are afraid of asking the really racist questions they ask in the south to moderate GOPers elsewhere for fear of scaring them off.
We need to get the GOP secret message out to the moderate GOPers!
That anecdote can be replicated in small towns and cities all across America. Check into how many of your hometown first responders, volunteers as well as cops and similar jobs, are gone because of this Iraq war.
We are less safe, we are less stable, we are less secure.
Watching McCain speechifying live on MSNBC is the most embarrassing & pathetic appearance I’ve ever seen from a politican much less a presumptive presidential candidate…EVER. Seriously, he makes bumbling Bush look downright brilliant.
Sorry didn’t read whole post before being driven to comment.
No doubt racisim is a–but not the only important–factor. WV was not between Obama and McCain but Obama and Clinton. With some whites (me, for instance), there is a preference for Clinton on policy grounds but, believe me, if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will support him and vote for him and send him as much money as I can. With some voters, its an issue of age. Those over a certain age favor Clinton, those younger tend to favor Obama.
I haven’t seen any Obama-McCain polling in WV. Maybe it would confirm that there’s a strong racial split, or show that there’s not so much.
don’t even have suggestions on the rest, but i think there is an answer to your first question:
redirect investment and assets now being used by the arms and weapons industry.
Well, there’s a fellow in North Dakota who’s come up with a way to retrofit engines to double their gas mileage. A former race car driver/tinkerer, and he wants to start building for trucks and buses. That could become a whole industry [the tank heater was invented by a North Dakota tinkerer decades ago, we have creative minds!]
There’s the start of a whole new industry….
Yep, vintage Bu’ush. Ahmadinejad is about to line up his IslamoPanzer tank battalions and cross into Israel, while Neville bin al OsamaBama waves the appeasement flag.
West Virginia reminds me of What’s the Matter with Kansas? There are both racial and “family values” factors that operate there. What this means is that voters can be induced to vote against their own economic best interests. There are messages that can cut through this, and I do not mean citing the percent of manufacturing jobs lost. A much more powerful and visceral message is to be found in the signs that show the price of gas. This is a daily irritant to everyone who drives past them, a source of anger everytime they have to stop for a fill up. These voters resemble many I grew up around. They may not like black people but they like the feeling of failure even less. It strikes a little too close to home. High gas prices are a Republican failure, and provide an opportunity and a means of getting through to these people, and opening up a dialogue on this and other issues. JMO.
ooops, need to edit myself better…but you get the point. We entrepreneur with whole new industries and stop subsidizing the moving of jobs in old industries abroad…in fact, there should be penalties.
J-OB-ama -08
Ah yes, but the terrorists can’t follow us back home, right? That’s working out really well for us.
I’m in New Mexico, or in our other official language, Vivo en Nuevo Mexico.
How are his hands? Still shaking?
wouldn’t hurt to remind all working americans that they have borne the heaviest burden for the murderous blunder that is Iraq:
WV: 22 Killed In Action, 214 Wounded to date
(note: the first official US Casualty in Iraq was a West Virginian:Marine 1st Lieutenant Shane Childers)
KY: 63 Killed In Action, 464 Wounded to date
socio-economic conscription
Wikiquote gives it as P.T. Barnum, but it’s unsourced. My memory was saying Barnum, so I went with it.
I’ve found it to be a sad commentary on our culture that middle-class success is measured by how much debt someone can service.
In our area in Upstate New York, there is a big push to harness our local university and community college in terms of coming up with programs from the level of technician on up to PHD in alternative energy. From wind turbine technicians and repair folks all the way up. New industries require new skills. I read an article about how in Texas, wind and oil companies have to fight over the same labor pool.
H. L. Menchen I believe
We counter with Martin Van Creveld the Israeli war historian in Florida. The Man’s resume reads better than Darth, Rummy, and all the Neocons on military matters! Plus being Jewish I’m sure would help in Florida! I want him for the FDL book club!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld
Sonshi.com: It has been said there are two major camps in the US military leadership: Those who follow the principles of Clausewitz and those who follow the principles of Sun Tzu. Do you agree in general? If so, which of the two ideas do you think will apply more in future wars? If not, what doctrines or sets of principles do you see the US military leadership following?
van Creveld: I doubt whether the U.S military leadership has followed either Clausewitz or Sun Tzu, or else it would hardly have gotten itself involved in an unwinnable war in Iraq.
In the future as in the past, both Clausewitz and Sun Tzu will undoubtedly have a lot to offer. As to the U.S, I do not see that it follows any particular set of principles except hypocrisy: meaning, the heart-felt need to dress up its extraordinary hunger for power with fine-sounding phrases about freedom, democracy, women’s rights, etc.
http://www.sonshi.com/vancreveld.html
That would be a huge start. Levying a hefty capital gains tax on sales of securities at time of sale would also help, exempting pension plans, charitable foundations, etc.
Interesting. Other places have “”No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” attributed to Mencken.
Gentlemen and Ladies, I give you some undeniable capitalists who also so happen to exhibit the same standards and the proudest philosophies of Democrats: Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, George Soros
There is no inherent conflict in being a capitalist and being a Democrat. It’s a false dichotomy.
Heartily agree. Scrap Star Wars and a big chunk of the Future Combat system. Also, do we really need 13 carrier groups?
Interestingly while G.W. Fascist is lamenting the art of diplomacy and cheering endless death and war and the cult of warriors and overwhelming power, his Sec. Def. is saying that negotiating with Iran is a perfectly good step to take.
Bush is the smallest, most egocentric asshole I have ever seen.
-G
Let’s tax stock dividends and capital gains as ordinary income. Why does capital get a cheaper ride than labor?
Stop right there, pinko. Show some proper respect.
Death comes to us all. Even crackers. Our job is to save the children…
there are capitalists and then there are Capitalists, my comments referred to the latter.
Poor Bush.
His only base is left in Israel.
-G
And take the income cap off SS/Medicare taxes.
That would help in a local way but I don’t think it will do much to alleviate a national problem.
I also think we need to take a really hard look at the future of the automobile.
Re Bush on Israel or really any topic, Bush is the worst President in our history. Anything he has to say about anything is pure and simply BS. He has had more than 7 years to effect a peace settlement between Israel and Palestine. Yet that is further away than ever. So when Bush says anything about Israel, it should be prefaced with “The guy who has done nothing for 7 years” says . . .
For a GOP appointee Gates seems to be honestly trying to rein in the worst of the madness. I really liked the way he smacked down the AF over the size of the F-22 buy.
The living embodiment of ‘the Emperor’s New Clothes’. Just a completely empty suit. This is a guy who recently said that he’d approved the program for ‘enhanced interrogations’ but who yesterday said in an interview “America doesn’t torture.” I keep feeling that we’ve got a case of “The Three Faces of Eve” here – and you are never sure which personality you’ve got going at any given time.
There is an inherent conflict in having an established ruling class living off of safe investments rather than working and risking to earn money.
The GOP does have the old money vote and the fortunes made off of fat government contracts vote, oh and the Wallmart underpay people and drive out the competition vote.
But the GOP does not have the self made man vote although they claim desperately too because they want to be in the cool kids club!
Western North Dakota has jobs…the Bakken Shale area is booming right now. And our two major universities are part of a technology corridor along the Red River of the North.
Jobs are here…we’re being held back by the drain of investment capital that would rather spec on oil futures [legalized gambling futures are.]
The engine of this economy could roar forth if it wasn’t being drained by Iraq.
You betcha. It won’t solve the Medicare problem, but it forsure forsure won’t hurt, and it will make that payroll tax somewhat less regressive.
Well, yes. But lets say this engine modification works or some other inventor comes up with something even better, and it can be retrofitted on cars. It could also become part of an improved American-made car product. A supplier of a component to the better whole.
worse than nothing, he’s made things significantly worse for everyone. israelis are less safe, palestinians are more oppressed, we’re being bled by our wars and the iraqis are dying, being made refugees and worse.
oh, and where is OBL?
Shale oil? I forgot about that how much is there? In Canada they are ripping out the tar sands at huge cost you suggest that we are not doing the same with shale oil but we could if we put more money in?
If so we so have an issue for Obama and North Dakota!
“I also think we need to take a really hard look at the future of the automobile.”
__________
Repicrocating engines are inherently mechanically inefficient — e.g., masses of metal (pistons) changing direction every revolution. When oil was dirt cheap it didn’t matter, but going forward we need a total re-engineering (which, uh, creates good jobs) toward personal vehicles perhaps driven by turbine-flywheel powerplants wherein braking energy is captured instead of expunged as heat. You could likely get a vehicle going 100 miles or more on a gallon of hydrogen. The challenges are way more political (entrenched capital/mfg) than technical.
My suggestion for energy markets would be to increase the amount of money you need to put down for a futures contract from the current 5-7% to 30-50% to bring it more in line with stocks. This would squeeze out a lot of the current hedge fund/ investment bank driven speculation and lower the price of crude by about $40/bbl.
Because wealthy capitalists write the tax laws.
Not only are the income tax rates higher for earned income, but earned income also foots the bill for Social Security and Medicare. That is until you get to around $100K of earned income and then you are no longer responsible for Social Security Tax. Apparently, our Solons believe a 16 year old kid is better able to pay the Social Security Tax on the first dollar they earn frying hamburgers than a CEO is able to on the millionth dollar they are paid.
Ding.
The problems with Medicare are part of the larger lack of universal healthcare in this country.
Everything needs more “skin in the game.” If somebody doesn’t have a personal stake…whether its buying spec real estate or all these convoluted financial instruments–derivatives, futures, margin–I don’t understand any of it. And what I don’t understand, on a kitchen table level, I tend to look at with the same suspicion as chain letters and ponzi schemes.
How’d it go…it’s not what’s illegal in this town [referring to DC], it’s what’s legal that’s so appalling.
Clarence Darrow, as quoted in Clarence Darrow for the Defense:
When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. I’m beginning to believe it.
If Darrow were alive today, he wouldn’t have to begin to believe it…
BC
I’ve mentioned this before, but my niece’s stepson, in his mid twenties now, had only one kidney when he volunteered for the army. Luckily he has a skill as a mechanic, so they promised they would not put him on the front lines or doing patrols or anything. He would be kept on base strictly doing the mechanical work they so badly need to try to keep their worn out equipment running. He says he’s not going to re-up, and he doesn’t think they’ll keep him there on stop-loss. I’m taking a wait and see attitude.
interesting thought. Good one.
Democratic Party Platform 1932
Unless we learn to recyle on a far larger scale than we do now the resources to build hundreds of millions of vehicles will cease to exist at some point, regardless of how efficient we make them.
I’ve studied our health care financing system and spent a sabbatical year working in it. If you want the sound bite version, here it is: No matter how fucked up you think it might be, the reality is worse than that.
The lack of universal coverage is certainly part of the problem with Medicare, but it’s not the only problem. Universal coverage will not make the funding problem go away, but it will help (probably a lot) by ending cost-shifting to Medicare patients.
NC
707…and yet another tiger scatter
http://www.quotationspage.com/
http://www.thinkexist.com
Yep, though he appeared at times to consciously minimizing the shaking hands problem using the podium for cover. What surprised me most was his clueless and subdued audience whose tepid applause, when it finally came was much more telling than anything the presumptive candidate said. Left me with the strong impression McCain’s advance team, much like their candidate, are making his campaign up as they bumble along toward their convention.
would love to have more than the sound bite version….
I think games are being played with the price there is to much money in futures contracts betting on higher oil prices. Your idea could deflate the bubble but if we don’t deflate the bubble well Bush remembers the oil bust in Texas when he bankrupted or got bought out of 2 ? companies.
I know its hard to believe now but people were talking about peak oil in the 70’s and 80’s too. What happens to oil futures if gas drops just a dollar and stays there for a year?
The futures guys like to borrow on margin so when the bet wrong they have to sell cheap to cover the margin call. How many bubbles did Bush create?
I’m not saying gas will be $1.50 a gallon again but $2.50 is certainly possible.
Not just automobiles but the support infrastructure too.
No you do understand it is a ponzi scheme.
BTW, FauxNews and the rest of the MSM Court Composers are having to quickly reconvene their 24/7 Breathless Panel Coverage of The Sheikh’s calling a reporter “sweetie.”
Oh, the Outrage!
It is, of course, even worse than this. The 16 year old is also being asked to finance the Social Security “surplus” which is nothing more than a backdoor tax on wage earners since it requires them to pay for “future” benefits now which they will also have to pay back later as well. In other words, if there were no surpluses, there would still be the same obligation to pay into the system from general revenues beginning in 2017 and going out to 2040 or so. All the current arrangement does is give lawmakers an extra couple hundred billion to play around with this year.
the inestimable TBogg refers to this hysteria as Full Metal Heathers
Sigh. Where to begin with the full version? No, I can’t do that, because it would take a book, perhaps a library. How about a fuller version?
Okay.
You know what, I can’t do it in a comment, it would take a posting. But I’ll volunteer to write one if there’s sufficient interest.
BC
looks like there’s a new post upstairs
Not exit polling, but here’s a breakout showing:
County – Clinton – Obama – Co Population – % Black
Barbour 73 20 15,788 0.7%
Berkeley 54 40 97,534 5.8%
Boone 79 14 25,512 0.7%
Braxton 72 20 14,810 0.7%
Brooke 66 27 24,132 1.1%
Cabell 64 30 93,904 4.4%
Calhoun 67 22 7,381 0.1%
Clay 73 16 10,256 0.1%
Doddridge 63 28 7,459 0.3%
Fayette 70 22 46,610 4.9%
Gilmer 67 19 6,965 1.1%
Grant 65 27 11,915 0.8%
Greenbrier 62 29 34,850 3.0%
Hampshire 64 25 22,480 1.0%
Hancock 66 25 30,911 2.4%
Hardy 63 21 13,420 2.0%
Harrison 69 23 68,745 1.7%
Jackson 70 23 28,451 0.1%
Jefferson 49 46 50,443 6.2%
Kanawha 62 34 192,419 7.4%
Lewis 68 22 17,129 0.2%
Lincoln 79 13 22,357 0.1%
Logan 84 11 36,218 2.6%
Marion 68 25 56,706 3.2%
Marshall 64 28 33,896 0.6%
Mason 72 19 25,756 0.7%
McDowell 72 22 23,882 10.6%
Mercer 72 21 61,278 5.9%
Mineral 66 24 26,928 2.9%
Mingo 88 8 27,100 2.3%
Monongalia 55 38 84,752 3.7%
Monroe 68 22 13,510 1.0%
Morgan 58 35 16,337 0.7%
Nicholas 69 21 26,446 0.1%
Ohio 58 36 44,662 3.8%
Pendleton 66 23 7,679 2.3%
Pocahontas 63 27 8,755 1.1%
Preston 66 24 30,384 0.1%
Putnam 67 27 54,982 0.8%
Raleigh 66 26 79,302 8.1%
Randolph 65 26 28,465 1.2%
Ritchie 71 21 10,628 0.2%
Roane 71 22 15,583 0.3%
Summers 68 21 13,531 7.7%
Taylor 71 21 16,304 1.1%
Tucker 67 22 6,856 0.1%
Tyler 64 26 9,264 0.0%
Upshur 63 30 23,685 0.6%
Wayne 79 14 41,647 0.2%
Webster 76 14 9,696 0.0%
Wetzel 64 26 16,685 0.2%
Wirt 68 21 5,980 0.3%
Wood 67 26 86,597 1.2%
Wyoming 79 10 24,225 0.8%
BC–i’d like to see it as a post, i vote yea. and you can ’quote’ me…lol.
I agree. All aspects of the system (and I use that term advisedly) are in disarray. It kills me that conservatives rail about how the private sector is always better and more efficient than government when Medicare has about a 7% overhead and private plans around 30%.
Imagine the gift Bush will be giving an Obama Presidency if by failing to regulate oil futures during his term the oil bubble he created bursts during Obama’s term as President!
Our economy would take off then the new roads as part of the infrastructure rebuilding Obama has promised would increase fuel miles per gallon.
Plus the the green energy he is promising should lower MPG even more all of which will drop our demand for oil further reducing the price and helping our economy.
Plus Conservative economics will be discredited for another half century at least. Bush will be the New Hoover!
Yeah there is!
So they don’t have to talk about whether John McCain will reject and denounce the inflammatory partisan political comments Bush made about Obama and diplomacy in Israel.
Shiny object, shiny object….
for whatever it’s worth, i just emailed david, christy and jane making the request. but just so you know, last time i made a request like this was right after the august fisa debacle (i asked that pow wow be invited to write a post summarizing what happened while the frontpagers where at yearlykos) and i got blown off.
that doesn’t really give me what i was looking for – was looking for something like what cnn has for exit polling – but for everystate that has voted. appreciate the thought though, thanks!
Okay. I need to start assembling that stuff anyway.
Private plans have a 30% overhead in part because most of them have shareholders who must be paid dividends.
thanks! fingers crossed!
short version: “We need help, not hope”.
Huh? There’s such a thing as “American DNA”? Since, as far as I can determine genetically, my ancestors are from somewhere in south-central Africa and there is no white American blood in my lineage, how much of this American DNA might I have? If none, is this why I am susceptible to European command-and-control economic ideas?
Hate those typos. Thanks.
American DNA would explain why we are so into jeans.
And the GOoPers occupy the shallow end of the jean pool.
Thanks Isaiah for finding some good in what happened in WV.
From an historical personal vantage point (my first presidential election was in 1972), I simply did not care for Jesse J. Too ‘hot’ a rhetoric for that ‘cool’ medium, TV, like the early Sharpton, and I’m sorry, but he reminded too much of a strutting bantam rooster. I have been a life-long liberal with a specific interest in civil rights (though not the activist I should have been), and while I agreed with his message mostly, his style simply rubbed me the wrong way. Now, I might view his early self differently. However, Barack Obama is very different in style, the very definition of cool. Jesse and Barack should not be properly used for comparison without noting their disparity in style. I certainly can’t claim to analyze Appalachian voters, who are lower-information than the national average, and possibly a bit more racist. Given enough time, I think Obama could win over a large minority of voters in WV, KY, and western PA, but that will have to wait till after the convention. It would be worth in effort IMHO. He is such an appealing and charming, non-scary guy. My immediate family is almost totally color-blind, I think, but certainly elite, and possibly elitist, though we try not to be. Style is important, I’ve known poor folk with incredible dignity and style, whom I like and respect; and loathsome rich folk with neither, whom I do not.