Maxine Waters had to send a scathing letter to Democrats about voting with the Republicans on procedural motions which have the effect of tanking Democratic legislation — in this case her amendment to cancel the debt of the world’s poorest countries:
I am also concerned that the Chair of the Democratic Caucus was one of the Members of the Caucus who organized the "yea" votes, despite the fact that an aide to the Chair was quoted in The Hill as saying the Chair voted "yea" by mistake.
That would be one Rahm Emanuel.
Democrats unafraid to run as Democrats are winning at the voting booths. The DCCC, which Rahm Emanuel no longer runs, is on a hot streak, winning three heavily Republican seats in special elections in the past two months. Meanwhile, the Democratic Caucus, which Rahm Emanuel does run, can’t get out of its own way for fear of becoming vulnerable to Republican attack ads that haven’t worked in any of those special elections.
Hmm.
Shh! Don’t stop me, I think I’m learning something…
Rahm told Democrats not to talk about the war in 2006 or they’d lose — Ned Lamont proved that was wrong. He recruited Republicans to run as Democrats because they’d be reliable votes on trade and corporate-friendly legislation and bequeathed to us the perpetual headache of the Blue Dogs. Now in 2008 he’s telling Democrats to run to the right on immigration, and voting with Republicans on motions to recommit.
To his credit, when Rahm was at the DCCC, he didn’t pull a Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and prioritized getting Democrats elected above all else. He’s not stupid, and anyone can see that Democrats are being elected right now in highly improbable districts for acting like Democrats.
Maybe it’s time he came to terms with the fact that quantity has obviously become a function of quality?
Related posts:
- Lessons Learned in VA and NJ: Is Rahm Emanuel Orchestrating 2010 Democratic Massacre?
- What We Learned from the Supplemental: If Obama Wants a Public Plan, the Blue Dogs Will Do It
- Joe Scarborough & Peggy Noonan: Americans Secretly Yearning for Republican-Controlled Congress
- Rahm Cutting Deals To “Go Easy” On Republicans in 2010 Who Vote For Supplemental?
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Jus cogens!
Jane!
The New Haven Independent must have doctored this to make it look like you were talking on a cell phone while driving (I think you should sue!).
http://www.newhavenindependent…..%20229.jpg
It sounds like our leaders could use some new leaders.
Oh Swag,
that is sooo 2006.
Jane, you should have given Rahm a swift kick you-know-where in that bar when you had the chance! If not you, then Howie, at least…
I’m really confused now. so we might win a major league majority with Blue Dogs? so we’re just as screwed as before? Or it’s ok to be a real dem?
I love Maxine.
Ditto! With all these Blue Dogs, how are we better off on such things as retroactive immunity for telecoms, for instance?
Guess it’s up to us to lead them.
Pelosi needs to realize that even Mississippians aren’t scared by ads linking Democratic candidates to her agenda. She should impose some caucus discipline. Get Rahm in line, for one thing.
Sure would be nice if our “leaders” could exercise the control over the rank and file that Rethugs seem to be able to muster from their troops! Sure would be nice if we could trust the “leadership” to go the right way even if they could exercise control!
Just watched the video which seems to me a great antidote to the GOP “do nothing” meme. I love Barney Frank. he rocks.
The good news is, I think that may be what Obama has in mind!
I believe a good portion of the Blue Dogs understand that retro-active immunity is not the way to go.
Whether they came to this realization through honest insight or dragged kicking and screaming to it by us, either way not all the Blue dogs consider themselves so in order to suck-up to the corporations. Some yes but not all.
Goodness me, jacqrat, that has been discussed, hasn’t it?
Sorry, a cursory search would have told me as much. I would have conducted one, but I was talking on my cell phone.
1,842 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Great post, Citizen Hamsher, now maybe you and Howie Klein ken putcher considerable skills and clout tagether and start an organized assault on Rahm to target ‘im in the 2010 primary…maybe with a well funded Latino opponent, wouldn’t that be grand??!!
Thanx again…maybe some a these DINOs and DLCers will get the picture that they are next in the “kill zone” of the 50 State strategy.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER…EVEN THE “SEXISTS”!!
Check this out, subliminal images of John and Cindy McCain on the Fox affiliates intro…
She’s talking to the poodles in the back seat on the phone. Like an intercom in a limo.
Thank you Jane for your intelligence and thoughtfulness.
I enjoy reading your posts because you’re like Ecclesiastes…for every time there is a season and purpose…or something like that.
When it’s time to be p’o’d, you do it well.
When it’s time to be reasonable, you do that too.
I liked what you said on Grit-TV about how it’s not the end of the free world if…
Big picture has to stay in the discussion or we’ll all go flying off this flat blue disk. Ha!
Is Rahm still saying this don’t talk about the war, lets piss off Hispanics on Immigration thing? The terrain has changed with these new wins Rahm must change tactics. Maybe we could send him a copy of Sun Tze?
Also I want to double check this with my family but isn’t Rahm’s district heavily Polish? There are lots of illegal Poles working nonunion construction jobs all over Chicago and the suburbs.
Maybe an ad in a local Polish paper in his neighborhood/district explaining how Rahm feels about immigrants would help.
Bush claims that he gave up golf because of the “troops”..
Too bad he didn’t give up fucking up instead. It would have been better for the “troops”.
Guys in my teevee were sayin that the dem who won in Mississippi last night is very conservative. Not true?
Holy Crap!
John and Cindy standing in front of…what flag is that? California? OMG no!
seriously, is there nothing Fox won’t do? this gives me the creeps.
I heard he’s pro life and pro gun. Other than that I don’t know anything about him.
He recruited Republicans to run as Democrats because they’d be reliable votes on trade and corporate-friendly legislation and bequeathed to us the perpetual headache of the Blue Dogs.
Bush has poisoned the GOP brand running as a friend of corporations is not a winner right now. Running on anything Bush supports will just get you a yawn at best anger at most, as opposed to Obama filling stadiums with hours long waits in line.
All the really good caddies are serving in Iraq?
might be over his head. Who Moved My Cheese? might reach him.
Ouch!!
I’m sure there are still good caddies, but if the troops were to see what a shitty golfer the prez is- they’d die of embarassment before it was time for em to die for their country.
He is conservative but apparently not a wingnut. I was told that he is a really nice guy and qualified. We shall see.
Nancy Pelosi is a firewall for the reuglicans. She needs to activate impeachment and get that ball rolling at Bushco…then the fireworks of patriotism will explode and shut down the war. the signing statements and all the illegal immoral actions of the Neocons. More distance from Bushco… Amertican is sick of it. Time to roll the impeachment drums.Then a new deal will fly…until we deal with the politics of the neocon we have no traction.
That’s about what I would expect in a red district of Mississippi….as good as we can do down there I suspect.
very conservative. As someone said somewhere on a thread, we may get his votes 65% of the time which is better than we would have with the R. Baby steps.
On another note, I assume this has been flagged—NARAL, that fine upstanding judge of charachter (not) has endorsed Obama. Writing, meet wall.
one day that cheese will stand alone
– in the dock
Impeachment? Now? It would take until his term is over to complete the process…
Can we stop explaining now that we don’t need to gut FISA?
yeah, that dreamship has sailed
Just how did he get his position of leadership he is no good at reading the public mood or tactics plus he is in the House Leadership so he lacks a spine.
Maybe Bush 1 was so weak that anybody could have beaten him? Thank god Bill’s economic team was better.
and he’s still doing it!
ps – procedural/parliamentary question – if Cong Van Hollen continues on his winning ways, does he get Rahm’s job in the caucus ?
My friend, the only way we will see these criminals stand trial for war crimes is after they are impeached. Even if he would only be removed for a day, even if the conviction occurred after the inauguration.
Impeach, Indict, Convict of War Crimes. It’s the only way.
no worries, I didn’t want to sound mean, but we’ve come so far and accomplished so much since then.
GROUP HUG!?!?
Still if they didn’t have to compromise with Newt and they had a few people with spines instead of Rahm imagine what they could have done.
fund raising?
(((((Group hug)))))
Yeah, it’s been quite the wild ride, hasn’t it?
didn’t know about the endorsement. interesting
Rahm Emanuel is a trojan horse Democrat.
He was part of the Clinton WH cabal. Several of the DLCers ran after Bill and Hill vacated. He won, others didn’t. And yes, fund raising was a lot of it. That’s what shot him up in the pecking order.
Primary him I say. Next cycle. Along with a few others.
Oh and apparently there were some fireworks on the Senate floor today too.
EGGZAKLIE!
thank you, Egy.
“I love you, maaaan!“
And the constitution and rule of law with it. Wimps always lose. Stand up for your country…it is always right. Clinton took two months to get impeachment.
And you just don’t want to get it. It is the process that expose them to America. You two and others like you serve the conservative agenda very well.
If people don’t pay for stealing the treasury and the national reputation and and the illegal war then maybe you are in the wrong party.
So a schmoozer to the money men has the knowledge to win elections? If anything the poor and the middle class have different goals than the rich.
In an election where everybody is paying attention Rahm’s plan stink!
Rahm and the GOP’s plan’s only work when voters are fat and happy or scared but after 7 years of appeals to terror America is to tired to be scared.
But not to tired to be angry about the war!
It would probably be easier to replace him as caucus chair, and I suspect Pelosi would like to replace both him and Hoyer.
We could ALLLLL use some new leaders. The House and the Senate come to mind!
As much as I would like to see it happen (I still wear the impeach bracelet daily) at this point in time I don’t think the media has the attention span to be able to cover that and the election. Given that challenge things will be screwed up by them more than they are now—if that is imaginable.
Think about it, two years ago, before the Lamont primary, before Webb became Senator, before the Libby trial. Wow.
Do you always talk like that, in real life and everywhere????
:)
I wish that was true, but I’m not so sure. That’s a mighty big firewall she can hide behind.
Would LOVE to see Rahm replaced by a minority! Preferably Hispanic. I relish the thought of him job searching.
Isn’t he a minority? What is his heritage?
yep. ironic ain’t it.
swell.
I dunno, but there’s this from Wiki: His father is a pediatrician and was a member of the Irgun, a Revisionist Zionist paramilitary organization in the 1940s.
Middle east tribe
OT…but that NUTjob Taylor Marsh is sending out her commentors to flood NARAL with hatemail for backing our presumptive nominee….INTERESTING we saw no such thing when they backed LIEberman from her, but nOW when we need NARAL to help bring womaen together she wants to fight them. I was pretty angry and stopped giving to NARAL when they backed LIEberman over Lamont, but now that they are REALLY trying to do something good, I think they should be rewarded, maybe this will make them think twice before backing a loser like LIEberman again. I think fighting them over their endorsement now, with their caveat that they want to BEAT McBush and that is WHY they are backing Obama, should be enough for intelligent progressives to cut them a break and support their efforts in this case….too bad people like Marsh don’t care about McBush’s SCOTUS picks when it comes to womens rights if it means she can’t have her Queen as president…..PATHETIC
You ought to hear him make a toast!
i hope so.
‘cuz if some day i’m addressed as “citizen” i’m gonna yell out “NORSKE!!!”
his father was born in Jerusalem. Nothing official, but mom sounds apple pie American….
LOL, me too. Then run up and hug him.
lol
sounds like a plan. I’ll bring the bottle!
oh, she’s the pitts! i avoid reading anything of hers. I get too mad! like “Throw things” mad!
I have been far, far away lately. (sorry)
Today while Olmert and Peres praised GW Bush and Rice, I felt sick and so
UNHOPEFUL.
(I wonder what it feels to be a Palestinian today)
I don’t think it was a principled stance on their parts. When there is doubt between 2 pro-choice candidates, they carefully calculate who they think is the winner before coming out. That’s what they did to Lamont who was much stronger for choice, but they were willing to take that risk in order to keep access with Holy Joe.
No cookies for NARAL ever again from me.
Ahh, I so wanted impeachment; and I so agree, it’s the process that’s key — the exposure of their crimes. But I now believe we have to take a different path to justice. Oh, I want them to pay, and I expect them to pay.
They must be prosecuted, the whole rat bunch of them. I just don’t think it can possibly be impeachment anymore. It’s too late to start the i-process.
Better to focus on getting all the Democrats we can into office, from the top of the ticket to the local bottom. And then we try the perps in an open and fair court of American law.
i like to think that they are, like us, like the rest of the entire world, really HOPEFUL, cause Commander Codpiece is on his way out, and sanity will be restored to America.
None from me either. I used to contribute but no more. Had them remove me from their e-mail list, too.
RevDeb I understand and respect your point of view…I just think this time I will support them because Obama will be the nominee and we need women to be together to STOP McBush from putting up more Alito’s etc….
oh
and they must pay us back, every cent they stole from us and our future.
So only people who agree with you belong in the party?
Do you have an official position? Inquisition director?
Not trying to tell anyone to support them or not. Just speaking from my experience volunteering for Ned. He got burned badly by them and I swore off.
Yes. Bush et al deserve a fair trial!
careful—we do not promote violence here. But I get the humor of your implication.
i guess NORSKE isn’t going to answer my question. I bet he won’t tell me where his lair is either.
OT
Published: Today, 7:27 PM
Author: David Kurtz
Solicitor General Paul D. Clement submits his resignation, effective June 2.”>Paul Clement out as solicitor general. Where’s Marcy? Bet there’s something juicy there.
good question. I think I will deflect it and focus as Elliot did on a trial. After that, everything else will be a bonus.
ohmygoodness!
everybody, do yourselves a favor and listen to Peres and Olmert praising GW and all of the other Presidents back to Truman and then Lincoln!
If not now, when are we going to enforce peace and justice on this planet?
Siri – our NORSKE is a day sleeper and may have trundled off – you can usually catch him in the early am threads :)
fyi all – Kate Michelman, NARAL former Pres. endorsed BO in february, after her original candidate JRE left the race
oops better link.
Cnn saying Howard Dean announces fundraising agreement between Obama and Clinton. HuffPo teasing a possible Edwards endorsement of Obama tonight.
Hmmmm. Not the end. Not the beginning. But the end of the beginning of tieing up loose ends?
OK
We can sell tickets to the trial.
Better??
:)
Kate I respect. But she’s long gone from NARAL now.
Thanks cbl2. I guess he and I are star crossed. I’m dead away in dreams at those hours.
:)
He lives in the land of a thousand lakes
I agree Kate was UNBELIEVABLY great…….I have a friend who is friends with her, she is one strong smart and GREAT person!
He’s a night shift nurse.
Its the Democratic Party a Big Tent Norske can act however he wants so long as nobody gets hurt. Nobody is asking him to conform, we will ask him to defend his ideas though real democrats love to argue ideas that matter.
OT…CNN saying Obama and Clinton camps are coming to a fundraising agreement?…HUH?…seems like things are starting to move fast since the obama campaign announced a BIG endorsement tonight at 7pm
There isn’t a stadium big enough. Pay Per View—proceeds going to relief agencies in Iraq? I could do that.
A super human as well.
(((hugs)))
Hillary on CNN now tellin’ Wolfie the lesson of Mississippi is that Obama is one vote further away from locking up the nomination because now there’s a new superdelegate…..
there’s nothing in your “show text” so i don’t understand your comment – would you elaborate? thanks!
respect her as well – actually did work for her in CA – think of her as primarily responsible for giving them the national presence they no longer deserve – personally heartbreaking to see what they’ve become, but extremely grateful to Jane for outing them
I think the question was about his writing style?
OK we now have a pitched fight between Ellen Malcom (Emily’s List) and NARAL.
I’ll just sit that one out and watch from the sidelines.
TEN thousand…always underestimerated is Minnesnowta.
And a frickin wild man. Anyone that wasa medic in the Nam and is still in it is WAY up on my list.
I am NOT an Ellen Malcom fan and it has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton!
my bad, my first wife was from Fergus Falls
I think the comment in question was scrubbed. It had to do with a capital sentence that might be imposed for war crimes.
Your right Raven Sorry didn’t mean to be so blunt Siri. I like the way Norske talks why be normal is one of the freedom’s I hope we try and defend here.
angie – i just can’t listen.
5 and a half years ago i visited 3 villages in the northwest of the west bank for the olive harvest. every single place where we harvested olives is now behind that fucking apartheid wall. those so-called leaders are leading their own people to ruin just as surely as they are oppressing the palestinians.
Fleeing the sinking H.M.S Bushturd.
-G
I left her and the list behind a long time ago too, once I found FDL and Act Blue.
Dark Side Dick had “no doubt” that the Republican in Mississippi would beat the Democrat.
No doubt he says. The guy is a comedian, with very bloody hands albeit.
-G
1,842 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Siri:
Why is my syntax or the dialect I choose to present my ideas important to you? If you need to concentrate harder or read my comments slower than if they were presented in another context, then my method of presentation has been successful. If, on the other hand, you discard the posting because of the syntax or the efficiency of the read, then I think I have exposed more about your priorities in communicating than anything I have to say and, in fact, have done us both a favor.
Maybe, however, you might find a key to understanding my presentations in the collected works of Abby Hoffman and Jerry Rubin…at the very least you might save yourself some energy from taking yourself so fuckin’ seriously. As for where my “lair” is…trust me, you don’t wanna know, you wouldn’t be comfortable here anywayz.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THERE ARE A LOT OF US OUT HERE WHO DON’T LOOK, SOUND OR THINK LIKE YOU DO!!
thanks.
well, i’d like a fair trial first. and even then, must say i oppose capital punishment.
aw shit, I thought you was gone :)
Oh! That’s excellent RevDeb!
BRAVO!
Smoke this Blog!
suspect it is for same kind of craven calculations that turned us away from NARAL – first non local person I ever donated $ to was Mikulsky via Emily’s List, both now huge disappointments – sigh
(((angie))) – turn off that damn box and sit over here
who you callin craven?
we also have to go into the office of new democrats who’ve run in republican precincts and beaten the repulbican
for instance they really have to march into childers office and do something like this;
“we have no use for you if you vote with the republicans on progressive issues, we have no use for you at all and you better get that straight out, we have a lot of damage to undo and if you want our support next election you better help us undo this damage”
SmokeSteal this Blog!KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THERE ARE A LOT OF US OUT HERE WHO DON’T LOOK, SOUND OR THINK LIKE YOU DO!!
Very well Said Norske!
no, really?
You must have woken up crabby Norske! I’m a fan of you. I LIKE the way to talk. I hope you speak like that everywhere. You misunderstood. Get some coffee and come back.
:)
And almost everyone in here thinks and sounds like me. that’s why I come back and hang out.
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Citizen Raven:
“…my first wife was from Fergus Falls.”
Geeze louEEZ there Brother Raven, you surely do get around. Didja hafta come up here onto the Great Prairie ta drag her off? I was born in Bemidji and raised in the heartland a democracy and anus of progress in southern Minnesota where the men were men, the sheep ran fast and the fuckin’ fascists herded ‘em all up at suppertime.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, AIN’T IT FUN TA BE AN AMERIKAN THESE DAYZ??!!
Childers is anti-womens’ health b/c he is pro-life. He is a gun nut too. He’s gonna vote the wrong way on those issues ans more. But I get your drift. Who’s gonna get his ear?
and i don’t discard your postings. i print them, clip them and hang them on my bedroom mirror.
try Cheerios. They always make me happy in the morning.
:)
Ha! Nah, her people migrated to the Chicago burbs and we met at an anti-war demo at the U of I 6 months after I came home. I did fish Otter Tail with her pop once. He was one of those “almost unitarian” American Baptist Marine Corps Chaplains, quite a wonderful family.
But there was absolutely no reason to do this. It makes no sense whatsoever except from a purely political one. They are jumping on a bandwagon AGAINST the strongest pro-choice candidate still in the primary.
This is a huge slap in the face to HRC and her supporters and a completely braindead decision regarding timing.
The article specifically says the NARAL board was about even, some for BHO and some for HRC. They then obviously did some serious horsetrading as the final vote was unanimous. This stinks to high heaven and is another dumb, dumb, dumb decision by NARAL under NK’s “leadership”.
Thus sprach the Raven, never meme.
But he won’t vote for Pudslap Boehner for House leader.
Small victories, baby.
-G
selise– if I could only convey the respect I have for your actions and thoughts I would certainly be grateful.
you are a most fair-minded, involved and just human that I have had the joy to meet.
The exit polls suggested that perhaps 25% of those that voted for Clinton may be “defectors to McCain”. How many of these were “cross-over” Republicans that re-registered Democrat (since the Republican Primary was over 3 months ago) isn’t known. About 35% of Hillary’s supporters said they’d definitely vote for Obama if he was the eventual nominee. So Obama has a pool of 40% that are willing to vote for him if he can make the case.
Plus there may be some of the 25% that didn’t vote for McCain in the Republican primary that won’t support him.
But if you cruch the numbers the Democratic Primary drew almost 300,000 voters; the Republicans only 100,000. Obama, as badly as he did , almost beat McCain’s votes in an uncontested Primary! If Obama just win’s his votes, those Clinton voters that said they will support him and can convince half on the “ambivalents” he’s on the way to a major win even if ALL the others vote for McCain. That’s ignoring the possibility that many of those will simply decide not to vote, or will vote for someone like Barr.
I’d say that not only is West Virginia going Obama possible…it’s probable. But not to be neglected in any Campaign.
I was making a play on Abbie’s “Steal this Book”. cbl2 pointed out it was “steal” not “smoke” but I thought that was too obvious for we old ass hippies.
They know which way the wind is blowing and they want it at their back. Not surprised in the least.
hey! whata bout me? Oh, i forgot, I’m rude and crude on the “foulmouthed fem blog”. We are civil. . .when it suits us.
Keep coming back I think I over reacted a bit :)
he can keep his alleged positions and still vote with us
this is simple for any democrat to do, I do it
I am pro life, I am anti abortion but I am also pro choice, if a women makes a differant choice then that’s her perogative
we cannot force a person to be an unwilling host no matter how “pro life” we are
there, that’s a tact he can take and maintain his pro life principles
as far as pro guns, I have to say, there are plenty of democrats who are pro guns and I actually think this is a losing issue for us.
my dad goes nuts when people talk about taking away his gun and let me tell you the following;
if there is a violent coup in this country, the right to keep and bear arms might be the one right that saves our government
I am not so sure I agree with the anti gun movement, this is not a black and white issue as far as I am concerned
you know I love you, Raven!
LOL
Now, all together
in with the good
and out with the bad
repeat until mellow
GRITtv: Crafting A Clear Message On Poverty
c’mon upstairs
The House passed the crappy farm bill. Petulant child plans to veto it. Probably a good thing. It needs to be re-written to take out some of the outrageous and dangerous things in it.
I don’t think anyone else should have guns but I’m not giving mine up!
then i’ve seriously misrepresented myself. it’s always easier to speak publicly (and where the google will find our words for years to come) of the things that we are not ashamed of. being honest about the things i am ashamed of, especially in an open forum, is much harder. be assured there are plenty of them.
and don’t underestimate the possibility of a violent coup, we are in the middle of a silent bloodless coup, this administration was selected not elected
I do not personally believe they have taken office in a coup, amassed more power then in the history of planet earth only to pass that power off to a democrat who is black and a women who is a clinton
I do not believe they are going willingly
if I am right then the people who still have guns will be the last defense against the final overthrow of this government
i know.
;(
nevertheless, I have tremendous respect for you and your inquisitive nature.
one day, perhaps we shall meet and walk together…
oh but we are so scared of big bad blackwater!
i would be honored (and raven, you and everyone else is invited too *g*)
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Citizen Raven:
“He was one of those ‘almost Unitarian’ Baptist Marine Corps chaplains. Quite a wonderful family.”
Lotsa wonderful families out here in the heartland. If ya wanna treat, read Ole Rolvaag’s “Giants in the Earth”, it gives ya a good understandin’ of a part of what makes up the heroic history of our mutually loved country and certainly this part of the world.
My first wife was from outside a Alexandria, MN on Lake Carlos and I met her on a college campus right after I’d landed ass-first back in the world. Great family also…I bet the course a the two marriages looked a lot alike and a lot like tens of thousandz of other “Nam vet” marriages.
I got a son outta that one though and we possied up as bachelors fer five years after the marriage broke up…he’s now livin’ across the river with our 3 grand daughters, teaches English and is probably the only one that understands my “syntax” if ya catch my drift.
KEEP THE FAITH BRO, WE ALL GUNNA GET TA THE SAME PLACE, SEE YA THERE!!
Thank you.
And Roger That!
:)
bingo
there is blackwater and they have guns
what are people without guns to do when someone from blackwater says he’s taking your car or your house “in the interest of national security”?
so you get the bingo raven
Assume the best, prepare for the worst.
you get a bingo also sunnynobility
depends on what your goals are.
Me too, there Citizen siri…I get a bit jumpy around here sometimes…old age and no more patience fer bullshit. Keep on keepin’ on.
seconded
I agree with you RD, this is another poorly calculated move on NARAL’s part. My post was a response to gaiilonfong’s post that somehow NARAL was doing the *right* thing, or a noble thing or some such nonsense.
I hope Jane will frontpage something about this when she has a minute.
Several places I go on the net are thinking another false flag, or a bird flu break out in the fall, a declaration of emergency, and then…… well….. Blackwater on our streets. People are out there who really believe that! And I would not be surprised, myself.
Let me know where this “meet up” is happenin…maybe Vegas in July?
my personal goal will be to protect this nation from overthrow
I believe wouldn’t have let hitler’s “brownshirts” commandeer property and I won’t let the adminitrations “blackwater” do it either
it’s that impatience for bullshit that makes me a fan of you, NORSKE!
plus, i understand and appreciate your syntax! BIG!
well that’s what looks like the obvious scenario if they do not intend to leave office
of course rummy could get his wish and perhaps they are working on some kind of “terrorist attack” to happen “coincidentally” around election time
I would like to make a point that was missed in that thread where rummy said he wanted a terrorist attack to get republican agneda back on the table
this is what they do;
1) if there is no terrorist attack they claim they got it right
2) if there is a terrorist attack they say “see, we were right”
they set themselves up for a no lose, win win scenario
i’m not going to yearlykos / netrootsnation (which i think is in austin this year). maybe a little closer to home? i’m in MA if you are ever out this way norske.
I still have a copy. Don’t ask how I acquired it…
Come on perris! Do you really, really want a “one and done” Democratic Congressmen from that reddest of Red areas? How do you think he was elected in the first place? If he jumps on board and swallows the whole progressive agenda then he is done with a capital D in two years. Not only is a very conservative Democrat, but demographics will dictate he has to be at least Blue Dog’ish, if not more so. That’s just the facts. In deep red districts I’m afraid we have to take what we can get and keep moving the goalposts to the Left, a little more each time til the country returns to its liberal foundation.
I hear what you’re saying though – I live in TX-22 and have Blue Dog Nicky Lampson as my Congressman. Now, who do you think I prefer at the roll call representing me, Nick or HotTub Tom DeLay? In a +15 CD, I’ll take very conservative Nick Lampson every day. That’s the best I can hope for, at least for the forseeable future. This CD has to be eradicated of it’s R pukes. Hey, come to think of it, I know a bug killer that’s out of a job!
I agree, HOWEVER, if there is another turrist attack, it’s gonna be the second one on their watch, and I do believe there’s be a backlash that they are too arrogant to anticipate. We have a hellova lot more people in power now than in 01.
I spent a couple a years in graduate school out in Chestnut Hill, I been promisin’ my wife a trip out ta the east coast now that we don’t have kidz in the house…where in MA?
Oh, wow, ((((siri))))! awesome de-escalating response. I’m not sure I could respond as effectively to a Norske-thrown flame like that.
((((Norske)))) You’re one of us, remember, loved and respected here. It’s not unreasonable that your unique way of expressing yourself arouses a degree of friendly curiosity and comment.
FunnyD
passin’ ya some ammo, but askin ya to be careful not to use it against us friendlies.
if you’re embarrassed to say that means you bought it
Read ya five-by Citizen Funnydiva.
you make real good pointes cornerstone but we can’t have another lieberman either
Ya sure? If lodging is an issue, I might be able to find you a place to crash! We have a spare bedroom.
civilian based defense a la gene sharp? may not appeal to the vets – but it is something we can all participate in.
I’m not anti-gun. I own guns. I’m not a gun nut. People don’t need bazookas (or AK-47’s, or nite vision goggles or silencers).
Thank you Ms. Diva. he doesn’t know me. he doesn’t know he has fans. easily understood, things come across differently in this medium to different people. we gotta remember that.
:)
worcester! and if you are not allergic to cats (i have 5) you are most welcome to stay at chez selise.
I have thought this dark thought many times.
My alternative is that the cabal will keep up the kabuki but maintain a shadow government. Cheney has moles.
but that’s the point siri, that backlash will come from a peeps with guns
there will be others as well but the peeps with guns aren’t gonna go peacefully
angie! are you still in nh?
they can only maintain a shadow government with the compliance of the president
president says make it gone then it’s gone
I’m rarely embarrassed! I passed that stage many years ago, I think the line in the book says “The same way you got this book”. Nothing sat on a book rack in 1971 with a title like that and got away with It!
well I guess they have lots of experience kissing up to flaming assh*les.
Oh, and Kim Jong looks just like Elvis.
You got THAT right perris! I am one of them. That’s a thing I think about when anyone speaks of somebody invading us. We are Americans! We fought for this place in the beginning, and anyone trying to take it is up against 300mil. instant anarchists. We ain’t giving anything up! We are armed and SHOULD BE considered dangerous to invaders, foreign or domestic!
on that we agre
the right to keep arms says specifically for a state militia
I believe this is put there as a stead for a standing army
this gun issue is not black and white one bit
watching cspan 2 (senate) and burr of nc is up talking about gi bill.
shorter version: waaaaaaa
Hmmmm….
Hey bra, I’m Norske too, my people came from Stevanger.
not at the moment…
I love NH.
did you see revdeb’s link above (ithink it was revdeb)?
I mean talk about reenacting one’s dysfunctional family of origin issues. GOP senators are acting so Glass Menagerie!
lol
yeah, I’m watching. What a dork!
Handguns bother me more than AKs. Hard to hide an assault Rifle, pistols are what people kill with, overwhelmingly.
why do some repugs tie benefits that trops deserve to retention rates? i know…cause they have the iq of a banana peel…wait bananas come from countries run by brown people
Crass Menagerie
oh well… some day….
well, he has to do more then “say it’s gone”, he has to federalize the assets and jail those that are running it
but if the president doesn’t want it there then it won’t be there
I’ll agree to that. Politics is a zero sum game but sometimes you have to cut the cord and make the hard calls. In Lieberman’s case I would’ve preferred the “leadership” told him where to stick and had the D’s continue to be the minority party in the Senate. Not like they got much done by having committee chairmem with D’s after their name’s anyway. We should’ve made Short Ride pay the price and declare himself an R and just be done with it. We would’ve incurred much less pain and humiliation that way.
Of course, some here tried to tell the D “leadership” that but Mr. Reid still gave Joe the sloppy kiss of friendship.
In the case of House members I think we have to continue fighting hard in the primary’s for true liberals and then doing whatever we have to to work with any D candidate that’s running in the election. I campaigned for Nick last time as well as donated. This time I just donated and let him know that incremental changes are expected in his voting record. Not much else to be done down here in whacko land.
However, if what I saw at my local caucus location can be ignited to stay involved – there’s no telling what kind of pressure and impact we could eventually force to the front. True liberal representation within my lifetime. Ahhhhhhh, what a joy that would be.
attagirl and thanks for the reminder. I try but I’m only human…and a tetchy redhead at that!
Guess another way to look at it is that we’re a community, and as such it makes sense to give each other the benefit of the doubt vis a vis intentions.
Like you, I come here because so many think and “sound” like me. But I also come and stay because of the many colorful regulars who don’t. The diversity keeps me on my toes mentally and entertained at the same time.
Viva La Lac!
FunnyD
Selise, an off the wall question re: Worcester.
Do you happen to know what became of Central Congregational Church?
I didn’t see the link (I’ll go look for it). The pontificating is absolutely ..just wow.
another thing..I never want to hear that damn phrase, ‘up or down vote’ ever again.
they want to make believe if they make it comfortable for a soldier to leave then there will be soldiers that don’t re-up
and while that’s true, that number is off set will dividends by those that sign up for the benefits
Oh, and that family from Fergus, Swenske. And I cannot write what my gramma Ingeborg said about Swedes!
I agree
plus he has to know it’s there and where to find it and how to eradicate it, one pest at a time.
Does anyone else feel like it would be a good idea (assuming Obama became prez) that he should hire back anyone who showed a modicum of respect for the rule of law, like say anyone exercising oversight? etc.
repug mantra: if we say it enough, it will be true
ruh-roh. i’m part swede (my maternal grandmother).. that doesn’t make our people enemies, does it?
sorry, don’t know.
sorry, i tried to bring it down lower on the thread. it’s at #47
if he doesn’t know it’s there then it has to be impotent, you can’t have a shadow governemt without the water it draws leaving a wake
excuse me, but isn’t this position f*cking stupid? I mean, up the benefits, get more reenlistments and then continue the stupid f*cking stop loss move and keep pretending they are reenlisting. What’s so hard about that?
oh! good one MM! :P
that is definately their calling card and it works on the masses
even in instances where it doesn’t work, if their claim becomes part of the dialogue then it becomes a “ligitimate opinion”
even if there is nothing legitimate about the opinion at all
for instance they claim magic is just as valid as evolution and people actually think there is a legitimate debate between the two and they tell us magic should be tought in science class
Reality: you have options.
CNN confirms Edwards to endorse Obama
CNN just reported that Edwards will endorse Obama tonite.
I see what you are saying. I just continue to worry about those who are loyal to Cheney and are career govt workers. One of the many crosses I bear. :(
Mitch McConnell …asshat
the real end to the war will be the day the military declares it cannot survive without a draft
the repukes will try to get “wealth deferments” like cheney got, the democats need to do their best to say;
“everyone serves, if you are not physically able you will go to the lines and administer aid or comfort to our soliders”
once it’s clear they will have skin in the game the war will end
very very cool and most excellent. I miss Edwards. I hope this will drown out the noise from WV win. (no offense to christy!)
That would explain the timing
Thx.
unless you perform a magic trick in front of students. In that case you are fired on the basis that the principal of the school has accused you of wizardry
“CNN confirms Edwards to endorse Obama”
Good; its about time. I saw him on the TeeVee a few days ago, still playing coy. But this is the right time for him to declare, from the POV of those supporting Obama. In one fell swoop, he knocks Clinton’s W.Va. victory off the table, and makes Clinton’s job even more impossible.
Bob in HI
YAY!
thank you John and Elizabeth and family.
Oh I dunno I just can’t decide between McConnell and Graham. Most days it’s graham who is most asshattiest for me. YMMV.
That’s an excellent point. It’s why I want Sheldon Whitehouse as AG, and for him to set up a special office (Russ Feingold?)for Restoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and weed out the rethug traitors in OUR Justice Department. Just dreamin’ here. A girl can wish, can’t she?????
gah! that’s probably Vive Le Lac, huh?
YEAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Now THAT’S what I’M TALKIN BOUT!
sorry to yell, i couldn’t help it, i been waitin and waitin for this!
THANK you Elizabeth and John.
That’s HUGE!
hehehehehehehehehe
does that mean “Long Live the Lake”?
lol
You know damn well they will work it where they can get H-1B Visas for an able Gurkha or South African Mercenary to fill their spot. Nothing will ever change there! Thus it has been since time began. The poor fight the rich man’s wars…
I’m wishing too!!! (((siri)))
lurve the idea of Whitehouse for AG. I also want the people who had the cojones to stand up for rule of law when it cost them their jobs.
gtg pups. rock on!
Charlie Crist (R-FL)
his white hair extends down into his empty skull. that’s too sad.
he’s all rubbing on McStain now.
peee yewww.
Telcom immunity…
I couldn’t think of anyone better.
they are two of a large group of asshats
LOLOL
CNN
“republican reputation is just in the trash can”
that ugly red head guy, can’t remember his name. he’s a senator I think?
ewwww
my eyes…my eyes….owww my brain
egads now Sessions is up. It’s a parade of asshats
we have to believe we can change things nonplussed
anyway, the middle class who will not be able to get deferments will be plenty enought to end the war
a draft will end this war
that’s funny, they insist you teach magic in a science class but if you call it magic instead of “inteligent design” they will fire your butt
whazzup with Daschle and the red Harry Potter glasses? Fashion statement? Elton John retro? Yeah, I know, total non sequitur….
*giggggle*
see?
you sound and think JUST LIKE ME!
and wizardry if you can make a toothpick disappear.
Harry Reid is sooo LIMP
sheesh
can we has sum stronger leaderness in the senate PUHLEEZE?
I’m with you.
Can we have Feingold or Dodd please????
LOL
if you put the rethig brand on dog food, they’d have to take it off the shelf…
NO CHIT sherlock!
lol
Tom Davis, uggy red head repug.
lol
switched over to house debate and this guy talking about ANWAR is so impassioned that all that is coming out is sputter and spittle. Someone needs to tell him to enunciate and not to stand in front of his poster board presentation
For a man who isn’t running again, Tom Davis sure has his mug out front a lot recently – e.g. the Bloch imbroglio. Is he auditioning for a high paid lobbiest job?
I would love to hear a senate member just once say, “I call bullshit” but alas they are so formal and polite, that it will never happen.
Given his track record, do you really believe him?
That’s right Jane! Great post! Last year when I was being harped on by libs/Dems/progs for my support of the Democratic Party, well, I just kept saying, “Well, what the hell ya gonna do when the election rolls around and you’ve backed yourself in a corner to the point you won’t be able to say a nice thing about the party without looking like a goddamn hypocrite!”.
I’ve never allowed Harry, Nancy, or even Rahm be the Democratic Party for me. WE ARE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, we’re the ones that really matter, and we’ll kick those out of office who don’t understand that.
I watched Ted Kennedy today on the floor of the Senate screaming at the republican’s dirty tricks and I said, “Yep. I’m proud to be a Democrat”. ;-)
Well he’s up to something. Originally thought to be heir apparent to John Warner’s senate seat, now seems Mark Warner scared him off. Unclear he could keep his current seat (counties tending bluer).
As chair of the RCCC, he was tight with DeLay. Perhaps there’s another shoe to drop re: Abramoff, Inc. – probably just wishful thinking.
Keeping his wife from being re-elected kinda damaged the brand as well. Virginia is turning blue.
Not a moment too soon :-)
Late to the site but just saw Debbie Wassermann on PBS….is she always so obnoxious?
Thanks Jane.