Dave Neiwert and I were talking yesterday about the need for an AA for bloggers, because you get sucked in to the constant stream of information and research and debate. And the next thing you know, you’ve lost several hours on the computer or with your nose in a book or magazine. My suggestion was that there needed to be a further chapter of Blog-Anon for family members of bloggers who need to vent about their computer-addled spouses. The worst part is that sometimes it feels like no matter how much time you put in, how many hours of research, how much discussion or calls or…well, it just feels like you are running in place in quicksand some days.
And then I got an e-mail from a reader with a link to this YouTube, and I wanted to work even more. You’ll see what I mean when you watch it.
In case anyone is wondering, this is how we get more and better Democrats — better educated voters, found and nurtured one at a time, registered and ready to vote. People who, through the magic of human contact and a spark of inspiration from talking to someone else who is willing to put themselves on the line for a cause greater than themselves, aslo see the possibilities in a collective push to make things better.
Then that person goes out to do the same — to interest other citizens in participating in this grand experiment in self-governance we call the United States. And it multiplies across like-minded folks who want something better, for themselves, for their nation, and for all the generations to come — and who are willing to vote that way and do the work to make it happen.
Just imagine the possibilities. Better yet, put that inspiration to work to make it happen…just like the Patterson family. Kudos!
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Mornin’, Christy. Great post and that’s the way it works.
(((QuakerGirl)))
Morning, Christy. Morning, Southern Dragon. Sending prayers for Quakergirl.
Each one reach one (or, is it teach one? Both work, I think).
(((QuakerGirl))) Peace to you.
(((Patterson family)))
Turns out there’s nothing much the matter with Kansas…at least not with this family.
Thanks — it pretty much is the way it works. And I’m tired of the GOP using local churches as their own, personal “vote Republican or you are going to hell” forced voting system. It’s time we changed some minds back to civic duty and independent thought process, isn’t it?
Christy – I saw a recent article which talked about the generational gap in the evangelican movement – I think the younger people really resent the GOP interjecting their agenda.
Asked how he managed to build such a powerful organization, Cesar Chavez replied, “One person at a time.” Even with all our electronic toys imo face-to-face is still the most effective method of enlisting supporters. People don’t carry on civil discourse in sound bites. We’re doing it here to elect a better Dem. Definitely an uphill battle but one worth waging.
If this is true, then the young people have the power to save this country. Because the Fox crowd doesn’t seem to mind at all.
Duty calls.
But I don’t need any “AA for bloggers” program. I can quit anytime I want.
Good Morning Christy,
Thanks for starting the day with some inspiration,
and the happy goal of more and better Democrats
LOL, me too.
lol! one of my all time favorites
(((((QUAKER GIRL)))))
I’m sorry, but it just makes so damn sad @ Quaker Girl. (((((SURROUNDING YOU WITH WARM LOVING LIGHT)))))
The night of the 2006 mid-term election, myself and others were live-blogging the night on AMERICAblog. TWEAK, who was a regular commenter was in the hospital fighting for his life. He was able to convince the hospital to let him use his laptop (or he borrowed one inside the hospital), so he could talk to all of us. Well, after the Democrats took control of both houses, TWEAK left a final message to us “shock troops” that he was so happy to see this victorious night. Well, he died shortly after he left the message to us. We know this, because his brother came on Ablog a week or so later (at TWEAK’s asking before he died) and told us this had happened.
So sad! It pains me to lose great Patriots.
Thanks for the video, Christy. I think that the two biggest impacts this year are from the newly registered voters, as pointed out in the video and from the massive number of individual donors. Doesn’t Obama now have over 1.5 million individual donors? That’s how the massive donations from the special interests can and will be overcome.
Is there going to be an effort to get Obama to help down-ticket candidates? I’m trying to help out a Democratic challenger to our entrenched Gooper Congressman. We would be helped greatly if we could get the Obama campaign to send out a communication to his donors in the district to support our candidate. If the Obama campaign did this across the country, I think the effects on the entire election would be tremendous.
I’ll be canvassing neighborhoods this Saturday. Should be fun. Thursday evening I meet with fellow Obama delegates to get ready for the State Convention in June.
Kay – I’ve said this before but for all the fighting and disagreements, etc. we have here, I still feel we are all family in a crazy way. It pains me no end that I don’t know where Quakergirl is or how to reach any of her close-by friends of relatives. She could be in the town next door to me and I’d never know it. And if she were, I’d go to hospice and sit with her and hold her hand, the way I did for my mom. But I can’t.
Good morning CHS. Is this the America we want?
OT
I am sick over the arrest of 300 undocumented workers in the kosher meat plant 18 miles from here. The rural communities are devastated here over their roundup as they were herded into buses and transported 100 hundred miles away to a place called the National Cattle Congress.
http://www.desmoinesregister.c…../805140358
“And then they came for me”
Facsists
(((QuakerGirl)))
We are family.
And last night, dakinikat mentioned Elizabeth has had a relapse? Caring thoughts for all our FDL family who walk the cancer road.
Which one? This is my second time around as treasurer for a Dem trying to unseat Bill Young, who got on the ballot this time by getting petition signatures. The difference between the Pinellas County Rethug and Dem parties couldn’t be more evident. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those on the Dem Executive Committee were getting petitions signed for Young. They sure didn’t help us. Worthless bunch of Bush Dogs.
OMG! look at those long driveways!
Good on you, KIM! June 1 is our congressional district gathering of delegates prior to state convention. Hoping to make that.
TobyWollin, your kind spirit is a very tender thing. As we schlog through cancer here, people like you are more precious than…well, than almost anything. Thank creation the national bile hasn’t buried you. I mean it.
I know exactly what you mean Toby. It’s our words, thoughts, and opinions that bind us online. We don’t really know each other but we have a kinship that is strong. Believe me, I don’t agree with all the opinions of my regular readers, but we like each other a lot and that prevails over everything.
By the way, here’s TWEAKS’ last comment to all of us before he died:
It still makes me weepy after all this time! He was a good man fighting the good fight with all of us. Miss him. ;-)
Okay, going to work. Have a great day everyone!
My favourite line was, “Can you say Obama?”
Thanks
It’s been years since I’ve been to Lindsborg, so I could be wrong, but I think I know the Pattersons in that YouTube.
The thing about that YouTube is that it could be done by a family, a small group of school buddies, a couple of coworkers, or some other collection of folks. It could be done in an urban area, a small town, a suburb, — just about any neighborhood.
Imagine a group of folks folks on horseback riding from farm to farm in a more rural areas. “We’re the Democratic Roundup Crew, looking for some stray voters. Could we talk to you for a minute?”
Ya know, this really is a family. And while there’s an addictive element at play (my name is barbara…), there is something so powerful (and healing) at work here. And yes, I would be unable to write without parentheses (as you have probably noticed over time).
Tim Cunha in FL-6. He’s challenging Cliff Stearns. I’ve started posting on The Case Against Cliff. So far, our local Dem Executive Committee has been helpful, even making the office available for a meeting to organize the campaign.
christy – thanks for the video, reminds me of canvassing in CT for lamont. really enjoyed it. someday i’d love to canvass not for a particular candidate, but just to ask people about what matters to them and what ideas they have for making things better. what a national conversation we could have with just those two questions.
toby and kay – thank you.
That baby is so adorable. Reminds me of taking The Peanut out canvassing with me for the Kerry campaign in 2004. I’d pop her in her stroller and off we’d go. She wasn’t quite that young, but it sure did bring back memories…
We had that in 06 when the chair of the DEC was a radical. They ousted him in 07. Now they’re in lockstep with the Rethugs. There are a couple of individuals helping us but the rest are too busy sucking up to Mel Sembler and the rest of the greedheads. It’s a microcosm of Kansas in 2000. The voters in this county have no problem voting against their own interests. Most of our volunteers are young and want change.
Really putting the family back into politics, not that phony family values crap from the Rethugs.
Wouldn’t it be nice to think we’d actually have that sort of national conversation, instead of the crap that gets tossed around during debates or the phony ad war idiocy that gets ginned up or spammed around in hit e-mails?
For those of you who were around for the chat, my old Con Law professor, Bob Bastress, unfortunately lost his primary race yesterday. The good news is that the Justice about whom ethical questions had been raised? He lost his race, too. So if I can’t get Bob sitting on the court, we at least have folks remaining in the race who are all fine lawyers who have a lot of personal integrity, including the woman who will be running on the GOP side.
So, that’s something…just wish it had been more. (But, isn’t that always the way?)
Shorter Matalin on Imus this morning:
Bush is not a liar, Bush never lied, I’ve known him 20 years and Bush never, never, never lied…belljar…liberal bloggers are meanies.
Ooops — meant to link in the conversation on judicial elections, in case folks wanted to take a peek who had missed it. Sorry about that, gang…not quite awake yet this morning. It was a long day yesterday…
And, what alternative universe is she living in?
OT – there are lots of interesting congressional hearings scheduled for today. here are just a few (for complete lists, details and links click on my name):
the one on the far right
Would that be Mary “member of the WHIG, former Dick Cheney spokesperson who covered for his ass when Libby got indicted and did fundraising at her own home for her pal Scooter” Matalin? Oh yeah, I’m so buying every freaking word she says…
Channeling Satann Coulter.
to quote you and egr – it’s a marathon not a sprint. *g*
Oooooh, thanks selise. I’m woefully behind in hearings this week due to researching so much on the WV primary. And my brain is too foggy this morning to have looked all that up — so bless you. Those do look interesting…
You rang?
If a Democrat can win MS-1, imagine what can happen on a national scale this fall if we can unite the Democrats! Let’s all keep our eyes on what is at stake and what we can accomplish together. It’s hard to see now, but we are stronger for our differences. The Republicans are failing because a central feature of their approach is absolute intolerance for differing views. We get stronger when we discuss things together and work things out.
Good morning Christy,
I had a funny dream, that the Democrat won for Congress in reddest Mississippi.
Election Contingency Plans?
Yeah, very true. I thought Bob was the most highly qualified — his con law work and especially the work he’d done on voter integrity has been superb. But, honestly, the three remaining folks who will be vying for two seats on the Court are all incredibly decent and hard-working professionals, and any contact I’ve had with any of them suggests they’d do a good job.
It just sucks when someone you know and like loses, doesn’t it? SIGH
Anti-choice, pro-gun supposed Dem. Not a real one
So I take it you don’t live in a conservative part of the country?
clinton2 is crowing this morning about her great victory in CHS’s back yard as if her bankrupt campaign has suddenly found new life and will be the toast of America come the August convention. Get real lady.
As we have found out during the last couple of weeks of talking head politics WV is populated by elderly, hard working, white racists and, apparently, no one else. The problem with the supposition that only she can win the popular vote come November is that the country is not a majority of elderly, hardworking, racist whites it is, rather, an eclectic mix of people that also include misogynists and anti-clintons who will under no circumstances vote for a woman and will definitely not vote for a woman named clinton.
The WV “victory” was like getting two numbers correct on a lottery ticket and hoping the other numbers will come up the following week. Delusional.
Uh huh, the race was clearly of no consequence. That would explain why Cheney, Barbour, Huckabee, Cochran, and Lott all campaigned for his opponent. And why the Republican party dropped well over a million dollars to defend a completely “safe” Repub district — and still lost.
We are making inroads in places we could not have dreamed of a year ago.
I live in the great liberal bastion of New Hampshire. A State with two progressive Reps and two nutter Sens. (Gregg is a total, absolute nutter Sununu is mostly a nutter but is very good on pro-choice and DV issues)
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
I-N-F-R-A-S-T-R-U-C-T-U-R-E
and I’m not talking about Pawlenty’s killer bridge, talkin’ about progressive infrastructure, rebuilding the 50 State Network that was once our party
have linked this article before, good overview of how the Obama camp has organized around the country – with an emphasis on local autonomy
read it online the day before the Texas primary – and had my come to jeebus moment on election day when I saw it in the working flesh in our little town and our once scarlet red county
this is something Jane, Christy, and Pach, Pach, (((Pach))) have been talkin about since I got here – how it will play out, how much influence we are to have, and how it will benefit the progressive cause after November are questions far above my pay grade – but I consider it a gift and something I plan on maximizing – there are thousands of Patterson Family’s out here
not an Obama fan ? s’okay, get out there and work with Chairman Dean on the oh so crucial downticket races – but you’re gonna love what’s out there
Rolling Stone
But this is good news for the GOP, right?
Yep, we’re all just racist geezers here in WV. Yeppers…that’s why so many of the Clinton voters from yesterday were saying that Obama was their second choice, that they’d vote for him in the Fall against McCain. Just because the national media reports something, it really does not make it true.
We get enough insulting claptrap from the likes of Maureen Dowd, thanks…
Me no say that. I just said the Dem is anti-choice and pro-gun.
Oh christ I forgot the snark thingy. I was trying to point out the stupidity of the talking heads and of the clinton2 claim that the vote made her viable.
. . . and that the person in question was a “supposed Dem.”
And “supposed Dem. Not a real one.”
You want to win in places like Mississippi or not? This was a total blowout for the good guys.
I cannot impress upon people too much that we’ve got a long way to go. The 08 election is not going to save the world nor resolve all the problems. We’ve got 30 years of right wing crap to deal with and it’s going to be a long hard process.
Folks might get tired of me posting this quote but I don’t think anyone could say it better than Churchill:
“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
My long version of “it’s a marathon, not a sprint.”
(((Quaker Girl))) and (((Elizabeth)))
Southern Dragon – there’s a whole youtube page devoted to kidz for Obama
this will take you to it
nomolos – Mississippi – makes me happy to think that in a tanning booth somewhere in Georgetown, Boehner is sh*tting bricks and feeling Cheney’s hot sulfurous breath upon his neck
For folks who were following along on the discussion last night about how important the retail politics was in WV for the Presidential race — and why I thought Obama made a mistake not engaging in more of it, the way the Clintons were doing — I offer this as an example of why I thought that. This is an article about a WV House of Delegates race in Charleston that happened to be won by a former law school classmate of mine — but this is the portion that’s relevant:
“…During the campaign, Poore stressed her ability to be a voice for the residents of the 31st, made up of the urban flats of Charleston’s West Side, downtown and East End, and originally conceived as a minority-influence district.
Webster, an East End lawyer, emphasized her ability to influence legislation affecting the district as chairwoman of the powerful Judiciary Committee. She said she has remained true to her core issues of civil rights, workers’ rights and consumer rights with her ascension to a House leadership position.
Webster said she believes Poore benefited from a high turnout in the district of voters for presidential candidate Barack Obama, and from an emphasis on the West Side.
However, the biggest factor was Poore’s grass-roots door-to-door campaigning, something Webster said she had to cut back on this campaign, with her responsibilities as mother of a 3-year-old, a law practice, and a committee chairmanship.”
Every locality has it’s own quirks — Prairie Sunshine and I were talking about the differences in how SD was treated versus WV by the Obama camp in terms of strategy last night. And the key is knowing the local terrain well enough to fit yourself into the local needs in terms of campaign style. I think Obama had an advantage with Tom Daschell advising him for the Dakotas, that perhaps he didn’t have for WV — because, frankly, Jay Rockefeller has always sucked as a retail politician here and wouldn’t be good at that sort of advice. I’m just saying…
A vote for anti-choice is still a vote against choice no matter the D or R after the name. And a pro-gun vote is still a vote for murder on the streets no matter the D or R after the voter’s name. I will not settle for any candidate that takes a pro-gun and/or anti-choice position.
Methinks it’s gonna be a while before Boehner gets a Boehner.
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, Maureen Dowd can bite me, too. Is there any stereotype in which she will refuse to engage if it makes her feel better about her own self?
Step 1: More Dems
Step 2: Better Dems
One step at a time.
“Living well is the best revenge”, and while I don’t believe, in theory, that revenge is good motivator, the thought of Karl Rove waking up for the last quarter of his life to a “permanent Democratic majority” sure is a sweet thought.
If I was in private practice I could make a ton of money from MoDo. There’s a woman with more issues than Carter has pills. I wonder what it’s like having to prop up your self-esteem 24/7.
It would be especially sweet if he was waking up behind bars… *g* (Sorry, couldn’t help myself.)
LMAO – was just thinking F* Maureen Dowd !!!
debutante this, MO !
we should send start posting parodies now of what will surely be the diffident dreck she’ll be spewing after november
Is MoDo necessary ? *g*
Serious question.
What is the difference between the WHIG and a Nazi office of propaganda?
Both knew they were lying & thousands of people died as a result.
you are picturing him waking up for the last quarter of his life in his cell at Leavenworth, knowing there’s a “permanent Democratic majority,” right?
I owe you a coke
amen and halleluja!
Well, the irritating thing is that she’s right about the cementing ideas and that Obama needs to get his ass in gear to change them. I’ve had many a conversation here and with relatives across the country who have gotten those SPAM e-mails and who believe them. Or, if not believe the whole of them, find parts of them credible. And their pushback has not been nearly enough on that.
What he needs is more one-on-one getting to know you retail in some of these areas, the sort of roll up your sleeves and get to work kind of stuff that Edwards does mixed in with the rock star rallies. That’s going to take a lot of planning and work. Based on the advance work that I saw from his trip to Missouri yesterday, I have to say his staff needs to step that up — because the optics on that venue were horrid.
But Dowd mistakes her sharp claw wit for wisdom sometimes — when the really good nuggets in that column come from someone else who actually got up off his butt and did the hard work once upon a time. Not that she’ll learn anything from that…
He he.
And, by the way, I love the fiddle music in this “West Virginians for Obama” video…did I mention that Maureen Dowd can bite me?
Yes, you did, but I think from a geographic standpoint, I’m closer, so I think she gets to bite me first;)
George W. Bush sacrificed golf because of the war. *He also reportedly cut back on caviar.
Talk about an elitist wanker.
-G
*Satire
“It ain’t over ’til the lady in the pants suit says it is.”
___
Pretty clear to me what HRC means by that.
Now THIS is the sort of “personal introduction” work (YouTube) that I’m talking about for Obama. More stuff like this.
NO… Don’t let that happen… those rabies series are painful. And I’ll bet her little teeth are as sharp as her little claws.
But, those who bike ride (and honeymoon) also serve.
Christy,
I so admire the breadth of your perspective. You are everywhere and always spot on.
That Patterson is a charmer, an inspiration. I would like to know his approach when he rings the doorbell. I would like to see the approach of a lot of people to who know how to do what he obviously does so well. I know listening well is the main thing. Is there an online training for this?
JEC hearing (where volcker will be testifying) is not streaming from their webpage.
All this talk about Bite Me tells me which shirt to put on today. I have the blue one.
Maureen Dowd, the Head Heather.
As nutritious as a creme horn washed down by a Yoo-Hoo.
-G
notNOWGood god, you just gave me sugar shock reading that. Ewwwww…
Good point about Jello Jay, he could not be expected to be of much help
with the people he sells out… I hope the campaign can get better help
and be more boots on the ground in WV in the fall. WV is a prime example
of how the Clinton/Bush prosperity systematicly leaves the working class
out of the “great” deals they make. There is still time to work on it.
When I was doing canvassing for the Kerry folks in 2004, the biggest thing was just to look folks in the eye and have a real conversation, and listen when they were speaking to you. Most of the time, I’d go in, sit down, and just talk to them like I was talking with any of my friends about the same issues.
People know when you respect their thoughts and opinions, and that reflects on the candidate. But they can also feel when you really mean what you are saying or whether you are going through the motions, I think. For me, it was going through the details on the issues — and talking a lot about the court systems — because that was the big issue for me, and still is. I’d say go with whatever issues hit you in your gut, but also the ones that touch people’s everyday lives. You know what matters in your community, where people are hurting…talk about those things and how the candidate you are supporting has plans to make them better.
Yet another reason I’ve been somewhat disappointed by the lack of love for Sen. Obama from the leadership here.
Of the two remaining candidates, Sen. Obama’s campaign has consistently mirrored the values of this place, i.e. 50 state strategy, no money from lobbyists, small ‘Blue America’ style campaign donations from hundreds of thousands of donors, minimal negativity in it’s message, etc.
OTOH, Sen. Clinton’s campaign had no 50 state strategy, took money from lobbyists, emphasized large donations, and has repeatedly gone very negative in it’s message.
Yet no direct endorsement for Sen. Obama, even now.
And, before someone goes there, this isn’t ‘poo flinging’ or ‘my candidate is teh awesome, and yours sucks.’
It is a serious attempt to understand why various Blue America candidates can get wholehearted support here, but Sen. Obama can’t.
Terry McAuliffe now says the the MSM are 90% biased in favor of The Sheikh, and that Faux News has been the “one of the most responsible” in its Dem campaign coverage.
That smarmy prick was everywhere on the tubes last night busily moving goalposts.
Dashed Mr Sunshine to work, so catching up…yes, it would be that Mat.
The scary thing is, up ’til this morning I thought she was just spoutin’ the chatter as any paid pr hack is supposed to do, part of the team, doin’ the “politics ain’t beanbag” so we’ll just go as far as we can go with this little spin.
Today I realized the woman is in Squeaky Fromme territory. Beyond a true believer in Bush’s lies, or Chee-knee’s lies, or Chee-knee’s Super Secret B-Team Facts Creators lies, she believes her own lies. [Robert McKee has a quadrant for that.]
One big difference though is the anti-choice Dem is no where near as likely to make that the centerpiece of his/her campaign where the anti-choice R is most likely to build the entire campaign around being anti-choice.
It may be a matter of priorities and semantics but there is a difference.
Once a Democratic candidate is selected, we’ll be behind the Dem candidate. But we made a conscious decision — which Jane has detailed previously in posts — to report on the primaries and influence policy, but not to pick any one candidate over another because it makes things all about one candidate and NOT about the work we want them to do.
Other sites made different choices. But the fact that we can still have a conversation here instead of just screaming at each other and calling each other names in a constant stream in the comments makes me think ours was a good choice for FDL.
So when are we going to start hearing “Republicans in dissarray” repeated over and over again?
Because they are pulling a McArthur Park cake on us right before our very eyes.
Their summer of discontent is almost upon us.
-G
smarmy he is, weasely, self serving, disingenuous
that’s for starters.
Now all day I’ll be thinking of the words to describe that unctuous toady
In case you missed it last night, Thinkprogress posted this debrief about a hearing on an Iraqi judge done wrong by BushCo. [yeah, I know, surprise, surprise….]
Prairie Today: Mississippi Meltdown
Ding. That cat makes me wanna throw stuff at my TV.
shit eatin dog fucker comes to mind
What a waste she has become.
She’s far outlived her useful (professional) life.
For all her Manhattan social trappings, she’s got to have some huge hole in her soul.
I still think the folks here have been very prudent during this primary by not choosing and advocating for one candidate. Clinton and Obama folks can come here and talk, sometimes fling poo and meltdown too and it is OK.
A few blogs have become so candidate centric that I no longer go near them.
So hoo-rah.
-G
Terry McAuliffe goes down on FOX.
The democrat in question DID make it a central issue of his campaign I understand. He insisted, in ad(s) that he was anti-choice and pro-gun in an attempt to woo…. who?
the thing that helped me the most was the i think the third day i went canvassing (it was one of the early days) with a real expert canvasser who knew just about everyone in the area. she was an amazing canvasser who genuinely seemed to love talking with each and every person. learning (even a very little bit) from such an expert was what helped me the most.
i think the big thing is to not get hung up on the script and to really listen to the people you meet. it’s a real priviledge to get invited into stranger’s homes to talk about politics and the future of our country. remember that and i think you’ll do fine and maybe even enjoy it.
Uh… Mississippi voters?
I’m not a fan of McAuliffe’s, never cared for him, but I do not see how this sort of thing foments that change, hope and inspiration Obama speaks of and his supporters are so excited about, not to mention their insistence that Democrats must unite (now that Obama’s surely got the nomination).
Seems to be a one-way street, a la Bush: “so long as you all see it our way, we’ll all get along just fine.”
LOL! I would be banned from
taylormarsh.comObamaIsTheDevil.com after one post any more.Revolting. Reminds me I have to go out and turn compost this morning
um, that would be NORTH Dakota, Christy *g*.
In NORTH Dakota Obama had strong early backing from Senator Conrad and the ripples flowed from there. Not sure Daschle was even on board at that time.
We NORTH Dakkers get no respect *mutter, mutter*
Well, it’s true! Rand-McNally once left us off the map…
They’re ALL smarmy, weasly and disingenuous, even Obama!
Geez. It’s politics.
JEC: volcker is up for his opening statement.
He’s a punk
volcker: this is not just a financial problem – we have an economic problem
Uh, I do not see how this sort of thing foments change.
;)
Yes, but in all honesty, McAuliffe really is in an oozy class by himself of late. I do not know why the Clinton campaign keeps using him as a spokesperson, because he comes off as promoting himself and his face time first and foremost.
And that does her no favors, nor wins her much of anything, even from some of her supporters who have been saying the same thing privately. I know he’s an old and dear friend of both the Clintons, but they have more effective folks to put on air than him…
sorry if I offended you, but that’s the way I feel about Terry McAuliffe. I expect politicians to be “political;” but it is possible to be a politician that has a heart, a good heart. McAuliffe isn’t one of those politicians.
How many words has Dowd written bemoaning her dating life and the double standards men have for working women, how hard it is for successful professional women like herself to have relationships with men because they’re so intimidated by them, or something like that?
A lot.
Yet she’s spent the last year bashing the hell out of Hillary Clinton for being a successful politician and betraying her gender and acting in ways Ms. Dowd disapproves of in order to win the nomination with very little empathy for what it takes for a woman to reach that level.
Today she plays the race card by pointing out that racism exists in America but we’re not allowed to talk about race because it’s race baiting unless Obama does and then it’s courageous…
Ugh!
volcker:
financial engineering used to foster consumption
under stress, the new financial system has failed the test of the market place.
central banks (the fec and in europe) have become supporters of the mortgage market. should this be the role for central banks? to support particular sectors?
My point exactly.
Juno, as an example, this mother’s day message that the Clinton campaign did with Chelsea was SUCH a better job of saying who Sen. Clinton is than anything McAulliffe has done in weeks of blather. This is the best thing the Clinton campaign has done in months, truly…
Next, he’ll be wearing a rainbow ‘fro wig at PGA events, holding’ up a sign that says “
John 3:16Give money! HillaryClinton-dot-com!”MoDo is a uniter, not a divider.
We all loathe her.
McAuliffe projects exactly the image that Hillary wants projected, don’t kid yourself.
Has anyone else noticed that the comments section on the WaPo excellent immigrant detention series is being flooded with vicious right-wing comments? My guess is that one or more of the right-wing sites has provided a link to these people. It’s really depressing reading their verbal thuggery.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ts_d4.html
Much as it may distress some folks, the Democratic Party has always been far more of a “big tent” group than not. And part of having a 50 state strategy is putting forth candidates to win elections in districts like MS-01. That is a district where a pro-gun control, pro-choice, union loving, etc candidate would probably pull in, at best 10% of the vote. That is one of the realities. Plus, nationwide, the liberal/progressive wing of the Democratic Party makes up at best 20 to 25% of the electorate. Which means not all the candidates reflect all my views and require compromises and give-and-take.
We can be purists across the board and lose everything all the time or we can be pragmatists, compromise, win and slowly get what we need.
As I said, I’ve never cared for him, but there is a way of disagreeing with people in a civil manner.
I do think that, if Obama is running on changing the tone, then the tone ought to be changed, first and foremost by his own supporters, and calling someone such things doesn’t do that. To rationalize it is like BushCo rationalizing torture by insisting they only torture bad people.
Well, I’m quite certain Elliot would not refer to friendly people as shit eating whatevers.
Our society has become very uncivil, but we’ve gotten to the point where we rationalize that incivility while at the same time insisting we want that to change.
Can’t change if we okay it.
It’s a marathon, not a sprint. *g*
It is not just the Clintons, but that whole war room crowd of theirs
that are well past their sell-by date, 1992 is 16 years ago.
volcker:
where were fannie mae and freddie mac?
this crisis clearly goes beyond our country and is global.
… some of these companies (missed which ones – hedge funds) really don’t understand their own financial statements and the risks involved [missed most of this… want to go back and see exactly what volcker said here]
I think everyone is quite clear on where I stand on civility, given how many times I’ve threatened to “pull this blog over” in the last few months of poo flinging…
How can you loathe someone you do not know?
She pushes buttons, that is for sure. I agree with some of what she writes, and disagree with some. That’s probably true for all columnists. I don’t se where loathing people gets us anywhere.
Gosh, you’d think I was the Obaman here!
Lol.
That it is and that marathon will still be going on long after I’m worm food and that’s a fact.
Wait, wait, I have to confess to a bit of hypocrisy here:
I LOATHE Tweety. Sweet Jesus, I loathe Tweety.
ok, see ya later, sorry to disturb you all
Not so — some of them are also working for Obama this time around. Really, folks, sweeping generalizations in this campaign cycle do not hold up to scrutiny, so how about we stick to facts.
And also, let’s try and be civil — and stop pointing fingers at one another, too. This is a political blog, and I’m tired after a long day yesterday — don’t make me play nursemaid or have to pull the blog over this morning. Just let me sip my coffee in relative peace as we continue to have what has been a really good conversation for the most part this morning, eh?
” To rationalize it is like BushCo rationalizing torture by insisting they only torture bad people.”
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So, your civility solution is to commit the very hyperbole of which you accuse others? Dissing McAuliffe is in the same rhetorical league with excusing torture?
What’s with this guilt BS? He finally discovered guilt? And to atone he gave up GOLF????? What a complete pile of crap. That’s just such baloney I cannot believe it.
I don’t know why that little confession of his has ticked me off so much. Maybe because he equates giving up golf with atonement? Good goddess save me…
Howie’s upstairs
Lol@ pulling the blog over.
Poo-flinging is pretty subjective, I think. One person’s flung poo is another’s mere passion. There’s a whole gamut, seems, of what is considered poo flinging. I’ve seen accusations of poo flinging when I haven’t sensed it and I’ve seen really vulgar and vile stuff that has gone unpunished, even rewarded.
It’s often nothing more than it being okay so long as it’s done by one supporter against the opponent or his/her supporters.
It’s a tough standard to meet, I think.
Waiting for a light to change by the private school nearby, we counted the SUVs with only one driver/one kid. About 3/4s of the traffic. And Mr. Sunshine pointed out the lengthy list of foreclosures that was in the morning paper and noted that people are giving up their homes before giving up their gas-guzzlery lifestyle. Or being forced to give up their homes because the gas costs so much.
Some food for thought in that.
But…but…he gave up golf. Don’t you see what an enormous sacrifice it is for him? *g* (It is a rather pathetic gesture, isn’t it?)
aha! we have an epiphany.
He equates it with sacrifice for God’s sake.
He really is unhinged.
-G
Thanks for the response; I understand and respect that decision.
I can’t help but think, however, how much we (rightfully) rail at the MSM for their eternal search for this phony ‘balance’ between Dems & Rethugs, when we all know since the Neocons hijacked their party, it’s been a 7 year non-stop horror show.
In a similar vein, isn’t remaining neutral given the campaign differences I offered up above an attempt to find ‘balance’ where there is none?
No, not in the literal sense but in the philosophical sense it is, yes.
But I’m curious as to what the change is.
From the new thread posted by Howie Klein:
Oh, and the title of that thread? In November There Will Be No Safe Republican Seats.
Sounds tasty to me — I’ll have what he’s having.
It’s also tough to police when it’s a quick bubble up and then it evaporates if ignored. But if people jump up and down about it, it often gets worse. Sometimes, you have to know when to hold your fire as much as you need to know when to fire back, eh?
gotta go for a bit, but will have the JEC hearing audio on… and i expect they will have an archive posted later.
Christy,
Rove’s latest on your state.
-G
Deep breathing, Christy…deep breathing.
What I read on the comment page for the WaPo’s immigration series this morning was most certainly poo. I guess the right-wingers are practicing for the November election.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ts_d4.html
Made me weep to read that, thinking about how hard it must be for him.
What a sacrifice!
I bet he likens it to combat next time he speaks before a group of Iraq vets, like the time he likened his clearing-brush boo-boos with injuries sustained in combat.
What a clueless, depraved person he is.
A great thread this morning to launch the day. Thank you Christy. And thank you pups. Feel the energy flow… momentum builds…day by day, win by win, canvass by canvass, person by person…
Margaret Mead would be so proud.
It is a clear reflection of the morally bankrupt person we always knew he was. Crystal clear. I usually gag (or fling things at the TV) at his idiotness, but this one just floors me.
Re-read Christy’s comment earlier. It’s not about maintaining some faux “balance” and ignoring differences between the candidates, but about trying to (a) keep the pressure up on *all* the campaigns over POLICY, and (b) keep the conversation civil around the ‘Lake.
Unhinged is a nice word.
meant to respond to you waaay upthread
they may indeed be facists, but this is about commerce (the only real gooper sacrament)
how many of the 300 arrested are actual undocumented ? Lil Julie Costume Party Myers/ICE are rounding these folks up jes so CCA gets their millions a month to warehouse human beings
we fought them here where they were getting $2.2M/mo – they even tried a warm and fuzzy look how we’ve made it so comfy for these families – walls now covered by children’s drawings, etc. Lipstick On A Pig ! and we won !- no contract renewal- if it can happen here, it can happen in Des Moines
so write those LTE’s
check with local diocese on any pushback/protest efforts -
Emotions run high.
But I guess I think that, after eight years of loyalty oaths and scripted audiences and people losing their jobs over things they’ve said (ie: Bill Maher), we, as Democrats, need to be the ones who restore American principles, of which freedom of expression is the most basic.
I just think it can be done without foul language and personal, vile assaults on people.
I also think that it’s Obama who introduced this notion of changing the tone, and I agree with him, but it should therefore be his own supporters who lead the way by practicing what they preach.
No, not a “balance.” We consciously decided to be advocates for issues rather than individuals. Because it’s only one election cycle this year — but some issues are going to require several cycles worth of work, and investing in a single personality rather than working on the make-up of Congress as a whole just wasn’t going to be enough.
It has nothing to do with balance. It has everything to do with being able to call bullshit on each and every candidate where it’s needed, and not having to deal with being accused of doing so — and rightfully so — because we were shilling for the other guy. When we call a candidate on the carpet, either in a blog post or privately through staffers, they know we are doing so because we really believe what we are saying — not because we’re trying to gin up some outrage on behalf of someone else. Because we ARE saying things because we mean them.
There have been a lot of false accusations and innuendos flung around by supporters of any number of candidates. We have tried very, very hard not to do that but to, instead, focus on the meat of the issues because we thought that had real, long-lasting value. And I hope that we’ve succeeded at that. I know in the conversations that I’ve had with staffers for all the campaigns — the ones still going and a lot of the ones no longer operating — they found real value not just in posts here, but also in being able to read a multitude of perspectives in the comments here, because you get so insulated in your own campaign’s mindset when you are doing events that you miss some of that back and forth which has real, lasting value. We have tried to foster that as well, to the extent possible.
Because that has long-term value for the party as a whole, which has a lot of value for all of us no matter who we individually support in the moment.
Show some respect and civility, OK?
Unhinged is a FOX/Hannity/O’Reilly word.
McAuliffe has not come unhinged. He’s a political animal.
It is what it is, nothing more.
btw, Howie is up top…
I had Carville, Davis, and McAulliffe in mind, I am sure they miss
Richardson as he is more effective.
And I’m clearly tired this morning, because I think I used the word “value” about a hundred times in there…blergh.
Juno,
I have frankly had it with your endless lectures and attacks and mischaracterizations. Go back and read the thread, I did NOT call McAuliffe ‘unhinged’.
I called Bush unhinged.
-G
So, if I repeat the fact that I dropped Hillary when she made the statements that she and McCain had lifetimes of experience and had crossed C-in-C thresholds, whereas Obama had a speech, you won’t again accuse me of dishonesty and using Republican spin?
So your idea of Obama’ principles is that no matter how appalling the actions of someone like McAuliffe, we should all recognize it’s “just politics” and not say anything unpleasant about him? That doesn’t sound like “change” to me.
No wonder you’re not an Obama supporter…
Thanks for the reply.
You should know this place is killing my productivity at work.
But it’s a necessity re: my sanity.
“Sniper Fire” was the deal breaker for me. Cemented by “hardworking white Americans.”
Oh, there I go again, excusing torture.
I’ve never felt Clinton was the demon she’s been made out to be, either by Republicans or, sadly now, by Obamans.
I’ve also never felt that Obama is the non-politically scheming elixer he’s been made out to be.
I don’t understand this need to make people one extreme or the other.
I was actually replying to a post by someone else who simply said “unhinged” is a good word by noting that it’s a word used often by FOX and Hannity and O’Reilly. I hadn’t even read your post when I made mine.
Interesting, though, that when I challenge people on the tone, it’s lecturing but when Obama suggests it needs chaning, it’s a beautiful clarion call by a brilliant changer and uniter.
It’s those double standards I object to.
If it helps any, I don’t think Bush has come unhinged. I think he’s always been whacked.
In part, yes, but first of all, I don’t think McAuliffe suggesting the media have been overly friendly toward Obama is “appalling”. You may disagree with him about that, I do not. I think the media have given Obama a pass and been very hard on Clinton.
But I think that, if you disagree with him about this, you can say you don’t agree and say why you don’t. I don’t think calling him a shit eating dog fucker is the way to go, and I think to say such things negates Obama’s candidacy.
No one has turned me off of Obama more than his own supporters, and they’ve done so by showing me that he cannot in fact compel people to change their tone. It’s gotten worse, in fact. That is my point.
Well you should read threads more clearly.
And please don’t use me as some kind of vessel wherein you dump all of your anti-Obama angst.
-G
Juno, you were replying to my post, which was a reply to GREG B’s post regarding Mr. Bush being unhinged.
I would never accuse Terry McCauliff of being unhinged. A complete delusional @#$%^, maybe. Unhinged, never.
(Sorry Christy, RBG, etc. I’m now officially in the doghouse)
Y’all got me!
Good God, it’s my sniper moment!
ATTACK!!!
Cripes. LISTEN TO OBAMA!
Time for a tune? How about some BB King ‘Respect Yourself’ or another run at Jethro Tull’s TAAB?
Oh brother.
I’m not making a big deal out of another’s innocent mistake (there was a discussion about McAuliffe, btw).
I realize there is total intolerance for anyone who dares not fall into line w/r/t Obama, but you guys are NOT good Obama ambassadors.
You either really believe what he’s saying or you do not. You can’t even allow a person to be in error without getting all pissy.
“I realize there is total intolerance for anyone who dares not fall into line w/r/t Obama, but you guys are NOT good Obama ambassadors.”
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You’d fit right in at taylormarsh.com
Y’see, were’ all “Obamabots,” Obamorons”…
(tiresomely) For the record. My path has been Biden –> Edwards –> Clinton (we caucused for HRC here) –> Obama. The latter being a reluctant net move in the wake of “Sniper Fire.”
And, yes, should she manage to wrest the nomination away, I will hold my nose and vote for her, owing mainly to SCOTUS ramifications.
So, spare us.
The original topic of discussion between Christy, Greg B and I (and anyone else who wished to chime in) was our current feckless President, George Bush. That was the topic.
Not every discussion on this site has to be about your candidate or her opponent and it shouldn’t always end with you lecturing us about our bad behavior. That gets really, really old.
Spare you?
I’ve not attacked YOU, you have me. Heck, feel free to even make a little error, and I promise I won’t chastise you or tell you you need to learn to read better ,or some such parental nonsense, which only causes people to get defensive and does NOTHING to unite people, which is what you Obamans claim to want. Uniting 101: allow people to save face, do not humiliate, do not cause them to become defensive.
And as I pointed out, it seems okay for you to have to hold your nose to vote for Clinton, but I’m just full of “anti-Obama angst” because I will have to do so. (btw, I’m not anti-Obama, I’m anti-lack-of-reality about Obama).
Like I said, double standards.
This seems an appropriate spot.
OT but related:
Dear Christy and pups. I’d like to apologize for my totally unwarranted snippiness last night. I started out misreading a comment, and went downhill from there.
My shame knows no bounds!!!
Seriously, won’t happen again. *crosses fingers behind back*
Give it a break, Juno. Pretty weak.
luv u guys ;->
“you Obamans”
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Utterly telling. This exchange is over.
Well, first of all, it’s you and BobbyG who decided to make a big deal out of an innocent error on my part, not I, and therefore made this about me personally.
Second, since Obama is running on change and hope and inspiration, I think that it is always a legitimate topic.
Third, the topic of this thread was about motivating people to canvass for Democratic registrations, not Terry McAuliffe’s beliefs about the media or Bush’s coming unhinged. So how does this work? You may discuss what you like, even if off topic, but I can’t respond?
Again, these are the double standards I see and object to. And you have them for no reason other than I supported Clinton over Obama. I do not see anyone here who attacks Clinton accused of “anti-Clinton angst” in an angry, nasty way, nor do I see attacks on Clinton supporters, such as myself, chastised in any way.
There is group think here, and I think it’s dangerous. I also think it’s renders the Obaman calls for party unity meaningless.
you misread a post?
Far as I can tell, that is not allowed around here, and BobbyG will tell you to learn to read better.
(Rolls eyes).
No wait. You like Obama. My guess if you’re in the clear.
Sigh.
Back at ‘cha! I rarely jump in, but love your comments…
Why so angry?
I don’t like to attack people individually and personally because I think it’s wrong. So I generalize instead.
Besides, I am attacked here in this manner every single time I come on this thread.
You, on the other hand, attack a specific individual.
We disagree on this point.
Oh, of course it’s weak!
I support Clinton!
Lol.
Listen to Obama, guys.
Juno,
I have a modest proposal which will allow you to support Obama if necessary. You say that you object to the “lack-of-reality about Obama.” Since your consider Obama and his supporters either unrealistic, or hypocritical, but admire Hillary’s apparent willingness to say or do whatever she believes wins, why don’t you just consider that Obama doesn’t believe a thing that he is saying and is simply saying what he thinks will get him the nomination. If you view it that way, you have to admit that he has been supremely successful at it and, in fact, is better at it than Hillary. The rest of us can support him for our own reasons, and we will all get along as much as Rodney King could want.
I tell you there is a pattern to this.
‘T’ain’t Obama who’s making me not want to vote for him.
Hint, hint.
Bush was successful at it too, and for the same reasons, btw. His followers also deified him and had zero tolerance for any criticism directed at him.
You still here trying to turn everyone into Obama supporters?
Btw, I’ve said from “the beginning” that Obama would be very well suited as Secretary of State, that his speaking abilities and diplomatic skills would be very effective in that position, and that his heritage could only help us in the Middle East.
Odd thing for someone who is supposedly full of “anti-Obama angst.”
On the other hand, all I’ve seen from Obama supporters is Republican like total trashing of Hillary Clinton.
Actually it was originally Edwards. We’ll vote for the eventual nominee.
Our primary is over.
misread a comment, not a post. there’s a difference, i do believe, but then i’m still in training pants.
please to leave me out of your one-sided food-fights.
thanking you in advance…
Read: Go away. This is Obama land and you are not welcome (but please, vote for Obama in November. We really, really want your vote! and we want party unity, but please get off this site. Thank you).
Good grief.
Like I said, y’all need to listen to Obama and work on that unity/change/hope thing.
One-sided????
You’re kidding, right?
Juno,
Take this as you will. I am not a supporter of either of the remaining candidates but will vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party in November 2008.
I have followed your comments since you started here. You do make some good points.
But unfortunately, it seems that you do so in a way that alienates many folks who actually would agree with you. Your responses are often such that they marginalize your message and you and others wind up talking at each other rather than with each other.
Most folks here did not have Obama as their first choice. In fact for most, he was not their second or even third choice.
tw3k how’s it goin’? ;->
Nope, you just constantly use the strawman “obama supports”.
Continuing to paint with a broad brush anyone that disagrees with you as an “Obama supporter” is not helping your cause.
Good! How r u 2day Adie :)
a little better & a tad more humble.
it’s hard to paint spaghettios with a broad brush, eh?
nonsense just rules the day sometimes…
LOL! Hey! spaghettios are great for finger painting!
Correct, because as I said, I do not believe in going after specific individuals. I think it’s wrong.
I also do believe that, as a group, Obama supporters have been less than kind to Clinton supporters (just read how this blog has deteriorated with all of you piling up on one individual and over silly things like using the term “obama supporters” or having misinterpreted a post).
And btw, the problem isn’t with me trying to convert people to supporting Obama. The problem is with Obamans having so offended Clinton and her supporters and getting them to want to vote for Obama, seems to me.
And I’m simply pointing out that, from what I’ve seen and experienced, Obama is not having the desired effect of changing the tone, not by any stretch. I feel as bullied as I ever did dealing with Bush supporters.
That is hardly change.
(((Martha)))175 full of good healthy spice
wish u’d jump in more ;->
And I didn’t have Clinton as my first choice or my second, for that matter.
I also have not told people they need to learn to read better, I have not targeted individuals, I have not told people they are mentally ill or are like animals or are “fair game” or that their arguments are “bs” and on and on.
I don’t go personal, but I am routinely personally attacked in here. I’m actually okay with it, not that it’s fun or anything because it isn’t, but I do see hypocrisy in it and a disconnect from the Obama message, and I feel free to point that out.
I am addressing the core of Obama’s own message and candidacy. But as you say, that puts people off.
You don’t see a little problem with that?
What I do not do is attack individuals or go after them personally. The same is not true of me, yet that is not considered off-putting.
No, the problem is not in any way I phrase anything. The problem is the groupthink versus one person, so it seems like the one person is the thorn.
That is not the case.
So just ignore the Obama supporters that you find obnoxious. Rise above them. Turn the other cheek if you will. Don’t cast out the message due to the sins of the messengers.
There are and have been obnoxious supporters of all candidates. Just keep your eyes on the Supreme Court.
If/when Obama as president starts disappointing folks by having to make compromises and fails to deliver on promises, then you can be superior and say I told you so (although that is not gracious either).
But don’t let yourself fall into the traps.
Interesting this post of mine is ignored.
Curious.
It clearly isn’t me looking for a fight here.
Except the problem is that, especially in Obama’s case, his supporters reflect very much on his candidacy.
HE’s running on change and unity. Well, that requires people to change their tone, so when I see that not happening, I see it as a refutation of Obama’s candidacy and evidence that he cannot be effective.
I don’t see how on the one hand, his supporters can trumpet his “change” mantra but then delve into Republican-like assaults on Hillary Clinton and her supporters, members of their own party, make a Democrat feel utterly unwelcome on a liberal site, etc.
There’s a real disconnect there.
omg
when’s pirate-talk day? anyone?
my eyes hurt, but i can stop rubbing them any time i want. yes i can. i just know i can.
mebbe tomorrow i’ll try beginning to start a serious attempt…
Btw, I’m not an “I told you so” person because, again, as tempting as it can be to want to do so, it only creates friction and causes people to be defensive.
I actually BELIEVE what Obama says about changing the tone. It’d be nice if his own supporters started believing it.
huh?
oh. the flyswatter works better honey. lie down on your tummy and slip it under the bookcase, no, all the way to the back.
that’s it. now yank to the right, yeah!
here kitty. here’s your toy. now don’t hide it back there again or mommy’s gonna get really frustrated.
I simply do not see our problems in terms of Clinton supporters or Obama supporters.
I also think that the presidency is less important than building a strong grassroots progressive caucus that can effectly acert the peoples’ branch of government.
Please be very careful and don’t make an argument that hits negatively if flipped to the other candidate.
Whatever standard you are holding Obama and Obama supporters to, make sure you hold Clinton and clinton supporters to those same standards. Whatever arguments you make about Obama supporters, flip those arguments around to Clinton supporters.
Senator Obama is trying to change the tone of campaigns and rise above the name-calling and many of his supporters fail that test. I think that is called reality. I don’t think you can blame Senator Obama because his supporters have feet of clay.
Obviously YMMV.
Sept. 19!
5…4…3…2…
i’ll never make it!
aaaarrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!
ah. ’scuse. was that OT?
i’d be happy to apologize, really, no problem, i know how, but i forget and it just builds up some times and i get picked on a lot, but i know i’m stronger than i think i am when i really really put my mind to it, so i’ll try harder so i won’t have to be happy to apologize, really, no problem, quite so much.
I’m not blaming Obama, I’m saying the very thing on which he based his candidacy fails before it even gets out of the gate.
Clinton is not running on this change/hope/inspiration thing. She understands and is a bit more honest about the nastiness of politics, and while I hate it, I can respect her for it (hence some saying she’s more honest in her dishonesty. Interesting).
Besides, I’ve been to Obama-supporting sites and Clinton-supporting sites, and the irony is that the Clinton supporting sites are far more civil, I think because Clinton supporters aren’t as invested in her in terms of personality as Obama’s supporters are him. WE don’t deny it when Clinton is pandering. We see it for what it is. Obama’s supporters do deny it. In that regard, I do hold Obama’s supporters to a hire standard. They’re the ones making the claim and the call to end divisive, negative politics. I think they should do so themselves, therefore.
It is what I perceive to be a lack of intellectual honesty within the Obama campaign that I have an issue with because I think that tends to backfire. I think it’s always best to be realistic about the fact that candidates are not saints, do not need to be, and they all must navigate political waters.
Someone at myDD put up an interesting post yesterday noting the different standards for Clinton and Obama. It went something like, when it’s Clinton, it’s racism, when it’s Obama, it’s a courageous discussion. When it’s Clinton, it’s she’s a Republican; when it’s Obama, he’s reaching across the aisle. That sort of thing. It was a good list, and it was true, and it reminds me, again, of IOKIYAR.
Nothin’ wrong with an outburst, thar be 127 days t’ go!
Then stop the digging comments directed at me.
It IS a problem, though, and people are writing about it. It’s a very ironic problem too, since Obama is supposed to be a uniter.
Ok then. Good luck to you.
Again, I’ve not dug at you, you have at me.
You either ascribe to what Obama is saying or you don’t and you render it meaningless. That is a problem.
anyone here familiar with the last 5 – 10 minutes of Schubert’s Symphony #9?
oh, it just comes to mind. that’s all. no, it’s not OT, exactly.
music mirrors life, often, in a manner of speaking, as it were…
Good luck to you, Juno. Maybe we’ll meet-up (no, not Monty Roberts-style, silly) at the voting booth one of these days. I’m looking forward to voting again. Can hardly wait.
subscribe? perchance?
thanks hon. the days grow long…
apologies for the clay-covered feet. gardening in N. E. Ohio…
P. E. A. C. E.
It should be noted. Juno has not changed her tune since first coming here. She attacks anyone who says something nice about Obama by saying, “What about Hillary! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!” and then when she’s looking like a neocon by attacking every comment made, she then turns into the victim and expects everyone to cuddle her and say, “Okay Juno, if it makes you feel better, we’ll support Hillary, McCain, and George Bush, because we don’t like seeing you so upset”.
Spit.
Hillary & Bill Clinton are still helping the Bushes fundraise. Billy just did it a couple weeks ago, but yet, Juno can’t see how Obama is going to be change!
CHANGE IS:
Not acting or being a neocon (Hillary, McCain)
Not helping out the Bush family after they’ve screwed our nation over (Clintons)
Not being an asshole to everyone who disagrees with you (Hillary,McCain, Bush)
Not saying, “It’s none of your business” when asked a question (Chelsea)
Looking forward and not saying, “But Obama said this! But Obama also did that! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!”
A candidate with a clean slate and not a million pounds of garbage sitting on their shoulders
;->
Thanks for the motivation/inspiration, Christy! And my gratitude, too, for the ‘heads up’ regarding Philippe Sands testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, which I otherwise would have missed. He’s atop my list of most intriguing Brits to listen to these days (other than a certain British bassist, of course — speaking of which, much appreciation to you, too, for creating a kind of clearing in which I could share a bit of my Medusa madness, i.e. http://www.drama21c.net/femini…..edusa1.htm). Take care…