BREAKING: MSNBC calling WV for Hillary Clinton, and exit-polls are showing a two to one victory. Which, as Russert just told me on my teevee, means she gets 19-ish delegates, and Obama gets 9-ish delegates, given that split.
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WV primary day. Yeah baby, feel the power, the beauty...the rube-ery?
Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.
No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.
West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.
A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”.
You fly all the way the hell over to the US, and into what I presume was Charleston, WV, since that's the biggest airport in the area. You rent a car at the airport and then take the time to drive through our lovely capital city, and then down through the gorgeous spring mountain scenery to drag your ass to the very tip of WV on the KY border in Mingo County, and you seek out the biggest rube you can find to interview? Dear Financial Times reporter: bite me. And while you're at it, bite this:
"I see the big cities as going to Obama, but the working class people in the rural areas are for Hillary," she said. "I think that's because we're struggling more than they are."...
She also said she would support Obama in November if it came to that.
"I like McCain as a person, but he has too many views that take the same line as George W. Bush," White said.
Gary Johngrass of Hamlin estimates that his fellow veterans are split on the presidential race. The 57-year-old served in the Air Force in Vietnam, and counts himself among the half from that and latter conflicts who support Clinton. The other half are older veterans who support McCain.
But if Obama wins the nomination, Johngrass plans to vote for the Democrat and expects most veterans in the Clinton camp to follow suit.
"I like McCain as a senator, but I think it would be another George Bush for four or eight years," Johngrass said....
The excitement is showing at the ballot box as well. Even before the final day of early voting Saturday, Secretary of State Betty Ireland reported that a record 49,892 West Virginians had cast ballots.
And then read this. Hmmmm...fed up with Bush and see McCain as more of the same, willing to vote for Obama despite being white, rural and poor? Just who is casting the stereotyping aspersions? Also, read this:
Dwayne Williams, a 28-year-old Marshall University graduate student, said Clinton's presence has been good for the electorate.
"I'm hoping something can be resolved pretty soon, but I'm excited about what's going on in both campaigns," said Williams, another Obama supporter. "Both are bringing in more young people. There's a lot of talk about politics on campus, and that's a drastic change."
ZOMG! We have universities in the hinterlands! With thoughtful students, even. Having spent the day perusing the various cable network fodder on WV primary coverage, I'd appreciate it if in future media people would try not to just seek out someone who fits their Gomer Pyle stereotype to interview. You know what WV has? A whole lot of hard-working, blue collar types that make up the backbone of the Democratic party -- people who pay their bills, save for a nice family vacation, hope for something better for their own kids, and don't truck with elitist bullshit from people who bus in every four years expecting a scene from the Beverly Hillbillies to conveniently walk in front of their cameras.
Independent, complex thought -- it's not just for "people like me."
NOTE: For voting irregularities or problems, call the WV secretary of state hotline: (877) FRAUD-WV. To file a complaint, visit www.wvsos.com/elections/voters/voterhelp.htm and fill out the provided form. Or call your local county clerk's office.
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Ok- I’m gettin warm.
Evening folks — something is wrong when Timmeh is making sense.
He only makes sense when he doesn’t care- like most of the teevee people.
LOL! Strange bedfellows and all that.
Congratulations, Christy. West Virginia exercises the franchise today. Great day.
We had mucho fun taking The Peanut with us to vote today. She’s been saying all day “Momma. Can I run for President, too? Can you vote for me, too?” hehehehe
You heard it here first, folks.
They have to stop putting McAulliffe on teevee for the Clinton campaign. He always oversells…always. And in doing so ratchets up expectations to a level that is way, way higher than what they can possibly want as a set-up for her campaign. It’s impossible to live up to such an inflated set-up — like he just did for her speech for this evening — he ought to be underselling so she exceeds the expectations…
*posting mp3 now*
Heh, That’s priceless…! *g* BTW, Mountain Momma, what is your take on all that scrutiny of your home turf…?
Oh jeebus, MSNBC is using Huckabee as an analyst for this evening?
great
Retch.
I think he’s auditioning for a pundit spot. That was just way too populist in demeanor for a Veep audition with McCain.
maybe the Financial Times reporter interviewed a baseball player:
Bill Richardson just said: “Obama represents bi-partisanship.” I’m having a broder-ism flashback…save me.
Norah O’Donnell on exit poll data: WV is predominantly white and working class. (Jeebus, didn’t need an exit poll to tell you that one!) 65% of the primary voters are not 4-year college grads. And 55% of voters live in rural areas. (Um, again…just drive around here and realize we are not development central. For which I’m grateful.)
3/4 of Hillary Clinton supporters said Bill Clinton campaigning here was important to their vote. (Didn’t I say something to that effect this morning? Damn, I’m psychic!)
This morning on one of the shows two Dem talking heads were talking about who would be the best VP for Obama. They both chose Hagel.
As someone whose town is also unfairly stereotyped, I feel your pain, Christy. Welcome to my world.
One wonders, sometimes, why the reporters even bother to make the trip. Do the people who sign their expense accounts also read the articles they write? Don’t they wonder if the tripe is worth the cost? Couldn’t the same drivel be written from their desk?
Someone tell Buchanan to STFU. Okay, I will…Buchanan..STFU
Any returns yet I am cable deprived for the moment
from Late Nite:
the always trustworthy Robert Novak
/s:
Well, 5 minutes to go… Will they call it immediately for Hill?
Yes, I’m loving the assumption that (a) we are all uneducated rubes and bigots and (b) that a vote for Clinton means a vote for McCain rather than Obama. SIGH
No ask Pat about how he could stay in the Reagen WH when the school for the Americas was killing white American Nuns!
Democratic strategists who think our backup CinC should be an anti-choice friend of big business who owned the voting machine company when he got elected despite all the exit polls….
… well, I’m not sure those Democratic strategists are really on our side.
Was this Peanut’s first time at the poll station, Christy?
He suffers from uni-cell brain. The only brain cell he has is teh prejudice cell.
Exactly.
Christy, as a native Kentuckian I’ve experienced many of the same stereotypes.
A lot of times, I’ll just take them to the furthest, most absurd extremes.
Unfortunately, even then, there are some that are too clueless to tell they’re being mocked.
Didn’t the corporate wing of the GOP say that about Bill killing the economy by raising taxes.
I would take Bill’s market with higher taxes over Bush’s anyday but I can count. Where do the business channels find people who can’t count?
Nope, she has voted with me every election, including in her baby carrier when she was an infant. But this is the first year that it’s really made an impression. Until this year, mom was just filling out some sheet with cool bubbles on it. *G*
LOL — I do that, too!
Blitzer is saying CNN will call it very shortly… Hmmm… Who could it be?
Called for Clinton…
Well here’s to hoping that WV shows that the stereotypes aren’t true…
And here’s to hoping that the media can perceive any reframing of the stereotypes.
I’d like to put money on the first hope.
What part of the state are you in Christy? Mountain area or flatland?
did the Peanut meet Chad?
With O% in…MSNBC calls that she wins 2-1
any chance she helped you vote wearing a pink boa and a tiara?
Christy,
My knowledge of WVa is linked mainly to Davis, up in the panhandle, where there is a ski resort. Every year they have a motorcycle race called the Blackwater 500. My first bluegrass band played in the Seasons Four bar on mainstreet, and when we went there to play, we stayed in the homes of our friends, who were mostly miners. I have fond memories of the place.
But that was decades ago, and I don’t have any idea of what their politics might be like now. Do you ever get up that way?
Bob in HI
2 to 1 margins…!
Honestly, there isn’t a lot of flatland. *g* But I’m in the central part, a bit below Morgantown.
Nah — we do optical scan bubble fill-in here.
Thanks!
If Obama gets elected what are one or two things he could do to help the people of West Virginia in your mind?
But, but the coal companies are taking care of that, Christy…! Give ‘em a bit longer and there’ll be a lot more flatlands… 8-(
ahh, I love Joni’s Morning Morgantown
That is SUCH a gorgeous area of the state. Did you get to see Blackwater Falls while you were there? The lodge in that state park is lovely and a perfect spot for a getaway if you want something a little more on the rustic and homey side.
Love it there. But I think the politics in that area is likely the same sort of mix all over the state — old folks and religious folks more conservative; younger folks, environmentalists (of which there are a lot in WV), and such more liberal. Most folks likely in the middle.
Gosh it’s nice to read that a vote for Obama is just that and no more — and the same is true for Hillary. I’m so sick of hearing that undereducated white people are for Hillary and that they’ll go to McCain if she doesn’t get the nomination.
Affirms my faith that democrats are smart and come November they’ll make their choice based on the platform.
I guess that’s not “sexy” enough for the MSM.
Hey, maybe she can start as an intern/aide for Representative, then Senator SnarkKassandra and go on from there!
Glad you and the Peanut had fun. Instead of having stupid Financial Times reporter bite you, I think all of us FirePups should have a go at his ankles and whatever points north we can sink our (FIGURATIVE) teeth into. GRRRRRRRR! Financial Times is British, huh? So, who’s acting out the National/Regional stereotype, Mr Stuffy Englishman?!
Feh (or Faugh, to put it into your quaint dialect…)
FunnyDiva
christy–now, you know that guy did NOT rent a car from charleston and drive to mingo county, he heard of mingo county from a mining movie (one of my faves, name is escaping me) and then googled it for pics…….
and gomer always held his own, was ethical, and won in the end…..
and the beverly hillbillies seemed pretty happy to me and like gomer, won in the end……
self-sufficient and honest…..
i wouldn’t have a problem being compared to them……an education does not wisdom make……
better than being compared to leave it to beaver.
and ever notice people know the universities in wva? are there many states that can say that?
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many people live here who were raised in west virginia, not one of them i know are prejudiced, quite the opposite, very accepting people……a few of my now-passed relatives are from there, too, moved to northern ohio for jobs.
and i’ve been to west virginia, one of my very favorite places as i’ve said before……healing hot springs, beautiful falls, parks, lakes, fresh-food-made-from-scratch restaurants, numerous steam trains, one where you can spot eagles, another where you go all the way up to alpine plants elevation while sipping clear spring water from a cooler and looking at plants and trees changing along the rail line….AND THE RAMPS FESTIVALS!!!….can’t beat it………and green bank, radio telescopes area that has the best science gift shop anywhere……dropped a load of change there……
and it’s where i found my bumper sticker–when you tell the truth you don’t have to remember what you said. right down the street from the bar/restaurant where i ate trout caught that day 4 days in a row…….yep, it was that good….and rice pilaf with a wva twist…..with homemade apple crisp, the real kind…..in a bar……
where the hotel girls found out i liked the lotion so much but was chicken about asking for more, they left me a PILE OF IT on my bed….lasted me about a year…they got a biiig tip. the manager was the one who told them i liked it……
that’s west virginia. most friendly place i have ever been, besides elora gorge, ontario, canada.
and i’m glad they’re changing thier slogan back to ’wild and wonderful west virginia’ cuz that’s what it is.
Thanks, dmac. I think it’s an awfully gorgeous place to live, myself. Will have to get a pix of our rhododendrons in bloom for you all — they are just beautiful right now.
Buy your dreams, a dollar down.
I’ve always heard great things about WV from my friends who visit there frequently. One friend wants to get married there because of how beautiful it is.
We drove down from DC directly through your state and I thought it was one of the most beautiful places I had ever seen. Had no idea until then what it was like.
A true hero passes from us.
Irena Sendler, 98; member of resistance saved lives of 2,500 Polish Jews
I project that they are going to run on the same ticket. They should them talking on the Senate floor and then Obama affectionately tapping her a couple of times on the arm before he walked off.
That ticket will put the Pukes away. JMHO
edit…D’oh…”showed”
I’ve looked at life from both sides now.
four-alarm snark alert for this diary at Big-Orange:
Unbreaking: Obama accepts W. Virginia vote, suspends campaign
That ticket would!
But, we’ll just have to wait and see.
I dunno…..
Lets not forget. Black men got The Vote before White Women. Just sayin….
dakine at 30–i have to say, i have known people who have spouted those things……and when my mom went through west virginia for the first time, when they stopped, the first person she saw opened a pop with their teeth……needless to say, she got back in the car…..her opinions have since changed…….
and i lived with a guy from north of somerset kentucky-his family was every stereotype that existed, but i got to know their culture and felt honored to be welcomed into their circle. opened my eyes to a lot i had never seen. an entirely different world from where i came from…..they welcomed me with open arms….i was able to appreciate their values.
in the eigth grade, one summer i worked at a settlement the methodist church has in henderson kentucky, the poorest of the poor there…..probably in the country……learned a lot there, too……that was the idea. years later i was at a union convention and two of the speakers were from there, they had started a book mobile and food mobile there for isolated familes, one of the women i had met there in the eighth grade, weird, huh?
and you told me what part of kentucky you are from, i looked it up, been through there, too. there are as many cultures in kentucky as there are counties. maybe that’s true of everywhere.
What a MANLY Man! Oh! the Sacrifice!
But those who bike ride also serve. As do those who honeymoon.
Well, I think I have.
I sure as hell hope I have.
‘Cause if there’s another side I haven’t visited yet, I’m not sure I can go There!
You just know that there’s some “War of the World” syndrome-types out there who are fit to be tied!
Did you know I am a Serious Journalist?
Here were my Serious Headlines this morning:
Wake me when it’s over.
Yo, Chuck freaking Todd. We have a Starbucks in my town right here in West Virginia. Jeebus, I have had it with the “Goobers R Us” portraiture today. SIGH
I like this commenting system!
Very easy to use.
How strangely arbitrary.
Why not just give up felt-tip pens?
bom dia pups
thanks for watching pundit world so the rest of us don’t have to *g*
Christy, what is the Peanuts policy on snacks? *g* I could get behind a candidate who has a healthy respect for cookies. Oh and finger painting too.
Doing my best “The Exorcist” green vomit impression. Criminy, can’t remember the girl’s name. Long senior moment.
More primary goodness up top — fresh info, fun links…and um…more chit chat.
Chuck thinks the reason it was closed last week is because somebody knocked over the hitching post.
SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: The following words may cause extreme violence in DCLaw1 - “Starbucks,” “latte-drinking,” “hard-workin’ Mericans,” “elitist,” and “Pat Buchanan.”
“I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. “
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Fine, you prick. Show your solidarity stones in FOB in iraq.
We like it, too. :) Good headlines. *g*
like me, did you wake up in a Chelsea Morning?
I like your spot.
re that pic, I believe Pat Tillman was married.
I love Eugene Robinson, but does anyone else think he sounds a bit like Kermit the Frog?
Mingo County was also involved in the legendary Hatfield-McCoy feud. That took place before all the highways were built, and the rule of law was instituted by the logging companies and coal companies. By the time of my sojourns to Davis, W.Va. in the 1970s, the xenophobia had diminished considerably. It helped that we had friends in town, though.
The bearings on my VW squareback gave out about a half-hour’s drive from Davis one weekend. I was fortunate (providential!) that I found a auto parts shop that would fix it, parts and all, on a weekend, only a few miles before I detected the death rattle in my right front wheel. That was when I was driving down from Michigan to do a few more gigs with the band.
Folks were friendly, then.
Bob in HI
Linda Blair?
We are very big on sugar cookies — with frosting and lots of sprinkles– and mucho finger painting whenever possible. That’s certainly a platform that The Peanut could back wholeheartedly…
Thanks so much!
I don’t think Terry speaks “undersell”.
That man will talk till the milk sours in the bottle, then turn to you and say “Here’s the buttermilk you ordered.”
They still are — they’d still help you out today, too.
For it to be a sacrifice for him he’d have to give up clearing brush.
Oh, I just totally did my teens with her.
Saw her, later in concert, but was kinda dissapointed, ’cause it was just like listening to her albums.
I think she’s kinda shy.
Loved her in the The Last Waltz.
We could play Joni Mitchell-Name that tune all night.
(But, we prolly shouldn’t here, now)
Some Sunday Morning? Lemme know. I’ll bone up.
He Comes For Conversation….:)
christy at 52–you’re welcome, i mean it, i think everyone should go and see it…….i would live there in a minute.
i used to think the most beautiful place to live is cape cod…..spent teen years and early adult years there for vacations. a section that isn’t that developed, planned on retiring there at age 50 before my fortunes changed (that’s ok, other things showed up in my life because of it)….thought it the best place on earth…but west virginia wins. hands down. it’s magic.
everyone should go there at least once……start in berkely springs and make a loop down with about 7 stops, to hot springs, va and end up in snowshoe and cass for the railroad trip. webster springs has local hot springs holes…….
a friend had his bachelor party there, rafting trip……
i’m on the wild and wonderful mailing list–but the best places i found from locals……
http://enews.wildandwonderful....../index.php
ok, i’m done……
Elliot - Are you thinking what I’m thinking?
Comfort and conversation. (Th)he knows that’s what (th)he’ll fiiiiiiind.
(sounds like your post on Sunday ams to me. :)
Right on. There is no one as elitist - no one - as a reporter parachuting in to the hinterlands and pretending to get the sense of what “real people” think.
Though it’s particularly funny when the reporter even reports on the evidence of their own blindness - the “real people” saying things that don’t fit into the narratives they brought along in their laptop bags.
You know, some of us live in places where pick-up trucks have gun racks AND Air America bumper stickers.
That too, but I was thinking of the character’s name. I can see most of the faces but the only name I can remember is von Sydow. And that’s probably because he did so many films with Ingmar Bergman. “Seventh Seal,” et al.
Love this post, Christy. My mom and her family are from the southeast Ohio hill country - northernmost reach of Appalachia. Her aunts knew more about the world than most of the public school grads in my graduating high school class from an affluent LA suburb. And the high school grads in my mom’s home town were better educated than many who graduated from the University of California with me.
Oh - and my mom from “the sticks” was senior editor for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory…in the late 50’s. As a (gasp) woman.
And now the next EarthFirst RRR will be in SE Ohio - cause of all the forest/eco-activists in SE Ohio and West VA.
Mr FT correspondant can bite my tree sit.
Thanks for this post.
elliot at 40—rofl!!!!!!! i just saw that!!!! teh funny!!! no, bet she was wearing that dragon or frog or whatever it was costume that she wore for luck during the libby trial, no, she would have outgrown it by now, or christy keeps lettin’ the seams out and stuffin’ her into it…….ha…..
no, you’re right, she’s probably graduated to boas and tiaras for tea parties with her animals…..
: )
I’d love one of those reporters to accidentally interview typical rube CH Smith. It would be interesting but guaranteed it would never make the news.
Me, I’m an elderly white male PhD with modest income, anti-war pro-choice in the Pacific Northwest. Help, I can’t figure out what my demographic is!
shite: Southeast Ohio hill country.
i don’t know what’s on nova right now, but they just had a teen speaking a foreign language and it was one of the most poetic musical languages i’ve ever heard. expressive and soft at the same time……wow.
kirk at 96–that’s where i am……i asked you before where she was from, i wondered………
Beautiful scenery by the way.
hahahah
HAh! ;)
I forgot to mention that this happened on a remote country road with a population density of probably less than a hundred people within a five mile radius. So, no stereotyp