8:50 pm ET: With 4% of the total votes in:
— Hillary Clinton 58%
— Barack Obama 36%
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9:00 pm ET — 9% of the total votes in:
— Hillary Clinton 60%
— Barack Obama 34%
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9:20 pm ET — 20% of the total votes in:
— Hillary Clinton 63%
— Barack Obama 30%
UPDATE: Clinton just made an overt plea to the superdelegates to hold off on making any hasty decisions in her acceptance speech, without actually saying the word "superdelegates."
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9:40 pm ET — 30% of the total votes in:
— Hillary Clinton 64%
— Barack Obama 29%
All the cable networks — CNN, MSNBC, and FOX — just called the WV primary for Hillary Clinton. While this falls under the heading of "didn’t we expect this to happen?", the big question of the evening will be "by how much?" Because that will answer the division of the 28 pledged delegates up for grabs tonight.
MSNBC is predicting a 2 to 1 split — meaning Clinton would get 19-ish delegates and Obama would get 9-ish, give or take while we wait for real, honest-to-god results that aren’t just based on exit polls. And Chuck Todd says that Obama only has to get 23 percent in either KY or OR to clinch the delegate requirement — he says that Clinton would have to pull off a close to 91% victory margin in every remaining state in order to win, which is most likely impossible.
The answer to the even bigger question? She likes butter pecan and espresso oreo ice cream. (You have to love local coverage, don’t you?)
Polls closed here in WV at 7:30 pm ET, so it will be a little while before all the ballots are tallied in all the counties. A few areas of the state experienced some power issues due to a large amount of rain and some windstorms over the last few days causing outages and flooding — but generators were brought in and as far as I’ve been able to ascertain today everything went smoothly with very few hiccups statewide. While we’re waiting for solid numbers not just based on exit polls and early voting ballot counts, here’s a funky story about the CNN election central bus.
And rwcole found some exit poll data as well. Intriguing stuff.
However, it looks like WV Democratic party leadership is already looking past their commitments to Sen. Clinton. If Gov. Manchin’s invitation to Sen. Obama to attend a long-planned Clinton rally in heavily Clinton-voting territory isn’t a huge signal, I don’t know what is. (Of course, knowing our Governor, it could also be a signal that he’s going courting for a Cabinet nod…but maybe that’s just me.) Hell, Carville’s already started talking party unity and writing out a check for the Obama campaign…way to piddle on the Clinton parade today, James.
Meanwhile, it’s on to the next set of primaries. And the continuing saga of questions raised by anonymous e-mail spammers taken seriously by uncritical readers. The stupid…it burns.
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Leisure Guy!
We all did see that Chuck Hagee “apologized” today, right?
McSame was, like, “Yawn”
Heard on Nice Polite Republicans
Woo, what a great suggestion for McCain’s Press Secretary!
I like that the gov even seems to be down with moving on to the GE. Nevertheless, I congratulate the senator on her win.
KO has no business anchoring election coverage. It is blushingly bad.
How’s the kitten doing?
he renounce his renouncement?
Flip flopper
She wasn’t taking the bottle well so I switched over to a medicine drop (the one with the plunger) and she ate almost 1/2 TBSP at one feeding. She is just so tiny. She squirms around soo much and is very active. At the moment, she is nesteled in a towel inside my swetsuit jacket (up against my tummy). *sigh*
he un-renounced the Catholic Church (he was ready to make nice) — no way they’re getting their Apocalypse with a Dem in the White House.
Sounds like you found the magic feeding trick. You’re now teetering on the brink of falling hopelessly, completely in love with a tiny fur person.
nestled …sweatsuit
What’s the consensus? Will McThuselah take 80% of the vote today?
Christy: a long grueling day, one of many.
You doin’ o.k.? No need to answer now. We’ll catch up to succeeding threads in the next few days.
You’re the best, dear lady.
she fits in my hand and I’m trying not to get too attached (and failing miserably) because she is still very much vunerable
Yeah. Right. Don’t fall in love.
I’ve heard that one before.
It doesn’t work that way.
Love is not a choice.
Sorta like a headache….it hits you or not.
OMG — Matthews and Olberman are openly mocking Terry McCauliffe’s “best speech in the history of speechmaking” overreach. I don’t think I’ve ever seen them tag team like that on him. And I would not imagine that Terry’s ego will appreciate it, either…
KO kicking the holy livin shit out of Hillary and then scrapin up the goo and kickin it some more..
Unseemly in my opinion.
Obama’s won this thing- wouldn’t hurt him to be a tad gracious.
Uh, that would be John Hagee I think.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you met our new puppy, Lucky?
Hey Wobbly. Bless your bleeding-liberal heart!
We, actually our gentle kitty, discovered an orphaned flying squirrel 4 wks old, after a storm in our woods. We kept him warm & did a lot of what you must be doing for the kitten now, and he ended up living with us 9 yrs as one of the family ;->. Heck, he attended soccer games and school board meetings in my pocket, and even became a “secret” school mascot during hard times, beloved by all who knew him.
I hope the best for your little one. They’re so little and so fragile. You’re very special even to try to raise the little feller. Says a lot about you…
((((Wobblybits))))
Agreed. But I think they were kicking Terry McAulliffe and not Hillary with that last bit…
Uhhh…what’s up with this?
http://abcnews.go.com/politics…..38;ref=ipb
They have Huckabee as projected winner in WV. Caan’t find any other references to this anywhere…just BIG CLINTON WIN everywhere.
If McKeating loses WV, seems like a huge story to me…
Doing well. We got take-out rotisserie chicken and a pre-made Greek salad, so that dinner would be easy for momma this evening. So I’m propped up in a chair with my feet up, balancing my laptop and a salad at the moment.
Soon to switch over to popcorn, I’m sure…
The second part of the GOP primary was today. Didn’t realize they’d called that yet — thanks — will add that to the top.
you are absolutely right. Even our pup has warmed up to the lil bundle. But is looks as though snuggled between my jacket and my tummy is her favorite spot. She protests for a second and then drops off to sleep
Oh, nope — that’s still from the February GOP primary. I thought they had a second bounce on the GOP primary, but I guess not…
Yeah- but it’s been goin on like this with him for months- doesn’t sit well with me- and I’m not even a Hillary supporter.
LOL it seems that lucky has a cosmic twin in our lil kitty. Found her yesterday (eyes not yet opened) and she is adorable and very vocal
Still a little suspicious to me. Could McKeating really finish a distant 3rd place as this says?!?
Any idea when we might start getting actual returns to support the declaration of a winner???
He did. Yep. There was some sort of backroom deal between McCain and Huckabee — and Willard screamed bloody murder about it at the time. I’ll see if I can find a link on it…
I do believe you are correct, most humble apologies to Chucks everywhere.
Chuck Chuck Bo Buck
Bonana Nana…
John John Bo Bohn
Bonana Nana…
I like Chuck better
awww widdle squirrel. I am a sucker for kids and animals and baby animals (forget about it). thanks for the warm words. I just want her to continue to eat and gain some weight. I should take her to the vet I suppose but what is the vet going to do that I’m not currently doing?
Olbamaermann has been so unprofessional and outrageously in the tank for Obama and nasty to Clinton for such a long time that I literally have not been able to watch him for quite a while. And I thought the world of him before. MSNBC as a whole has done the same thing; however, it just seems worse and more painful because it is Olbermann. I really am not that attached to one candidate or the other, but have been furious at the coverage.
Bonana Fana
more wine, please
Bonkers — Here it is — from Jane the night of the WV primary for the GOP back in February.
707!
He has been bad about it this evening. I tend to switch around to various channels to see who I want to listen to — I like Chuck Todd’s analysis on number crunching, so I’ve been hovering on MSNBC waiting for more from him. I thought maybe he and Matthews were just doing some sort of over-the-top bit this evening, being burned out from all the primaries or something. Sad to hear it’s been a constant. (This is what happens when you have a 5 year old and crash out early half the time, I suppose…)
Yikes. It must be a personal thing, or somethin…and for wahtever reason he has, it’s getting on my already very frayed nevers. and I’m ready to switch back to CNN.
His every breath is so tweaked.
wobbly–what are you feeding her and how often?
cnn balanced it out by having been very pro-hillary. crashing out early saved you not only precious time never to be recovered but also your sanity
Carville should stfu now and forever.
Tired of hearing, and reading, his crap.
I’m tired of looking at that oh-so-sour puss of his.
Hell, this is tame compared to other election nights.
Even though I generally agree with KO, I condemn his total disregard of journalistic standards. To do otherwise is to allow the ends to triumph over the means. In terms of the future of journalism what could be more frightening?
What happened today doesn’t matter. Hilary will NEVER be qualified until she stands before a mic and says, “I really screwed up for voting to authorize, it was a horrible, stupid mistake, and I’m really sorry. If you give me a chance, I PROMISE, I’ll never EVER do that again.”
Of course pigs do not fly so I don’t expect any such speech. But it would be the one thing she could do to stave off the waves of nausea if I were forced to vote with her on the ticket in the general election.
Herd on, Nice Polite Republicans.
I knew there was a good reason I usually go to bed early. *g*
Kind of embarrassing for MSNBC to Hucklebee have as a commentator about the Democratic primary if he’s won the GOP primary, don’t you think?
And congratulations to Senator Clinton. Well-played.
bonger at banana fana—
at my old house across the state, i had a neighbor named chuck, great guy, and every single time my best friend came over and he was outside, she couldn’t help herself, bo chuck, chuuuuuck…..she would sing and giggle…..and she’s not a giggler…….told her to ’stop it’. said she couldn’t help it…..all she could think of when she saw him, the name game.
heh.
timmah russert just delivered hillary’s message – if her debt is not paid off before august, she eats the $20mil loss – all except $250K.
Bart works, too
Worst thing is that he has damaged his own credibility- and his is a voice too valuable to discount.
Thanks. On kid duty at the moment and getting distracted a lot. Got a little excited there…
Yes, but what’s the margin of error? :)
she gets kitten formula every three hours
Here’s some poll info from one of the local papers — but I think it’s an AP report:
A poll taken over the weekend by Suffolk University found Clinton leading Obama among likely Democratic voters 60 percent to 24 percent.
The poll also showed that 40 percent of voters plan to vote for the eventual Democratic nominee regardless of who it is, while 23 percent said they’d consider voting for Republican John McCain if their preferred candidate doesn’t win.
More like her epitaph.
Oh Bless You Hon for quick answer. We share autoimmune-type problem – tho mine is now held at bay and expected to stay that way. I can’t help worrying about you. Please let Mr. Redd pamper you. The hard work is still ahead, as I’m sure you are aware.
We hope Peanut enjoyed her voting experience. She WILL remember. Have no doubt. Our grownup “kids” apparently noticed their parents’ activism, and they not only never neglect to vote, but they energize & educate their buddies to do likewise, sometimes with research from yours truly.
Thank you!
I feel good vibes from this election year, yet there is so-o-o much picking-up to do after the current gang is booted out… It’ll take all of us. Just keep passing the word and enabling us, whether we be fuzzy-chinned or grizzled. I truly think, at least in our neck of the woods, progressive will win the day and future. It’s happening before my eyes in OH. Yes, including some WV, coal-miners’-kids, “imports” from some beautiful place southeast of us. We salute you.
I just really hate “horse race” type coverage, so I tend to avoid it. Am only watching it this evening because it’s for my primary and I wanted to see how they broke things down.
But, I swear, if I hear what an uneducated rube state I live in one more time, I’m going to lose it. *g*
I’m gonna take a little time off coming up soon, and recharge. I’ve been having a huge flare issue all winter and spring, for no reason that I can ascertain, but I do try and take good care of myself, get extra rest and eat more healthfully as often as I can.
Have been on a fresh strawberry kick lately. *g*
wobbly at 55–good….who told you 3 hours? does she seem sated with that? trying to remember, thought it was more often than that if their eyes are still closed….don’t have it written down anywhere, been a long time……..baby birds are more often, raised more of them……
bonger, yep, that’s a good one, and my name (don’t say it here please) although not dirty, she used to say that was a fun one….
(((wobblybits)))
(((baby tiger)))
All this discussion on MSNBC of the potentially disaffected Democrats makes me really suspicious about why no network analyzed the GOPs who came out in North Carolina and Pennsylvania last week to vote against St McCain.
Why didn’t we hear any analysis of whether they would vote for the Democrat? Or whether they would stay home? Did Noron not ask the exit pollers to get these answers, or were the answers not palatable for the teevee audience?
There are more unhappy GOPs than there are unhappy Democrats. Bet on it.
There’s a substantial number of Hillary’s “white, working” voters in PA, IN, OH. But I don’t recall any network ever using “college-educated” as a metric in their coverage, until tonight.
Have I missed something?
Come sit by me, sweety, and bring your tiara and feather boa. Around here, you’ll need it! *g*
50 states and for every state at least one stereotype
Have you contemplated setting up a sort of drink bottle like you use in a hamster cage? I saw someone raise a baby pig like that when I was younger…but I do not know if it would work for a kitty that tiny. You may be using the eye dropper for a while.
Rachel wasshername is annoying for some of the same reasons- but she has no reason to try to appear to be objective.
I’d be there in a heartbeat for more shopping and another lovely meal at the beach. That was one fun day. :)
a friend from germany (who fosters cats) told me every 2-3 hours. when she is hungry, she yowls. she seems satisfied and is taking more food everytime i feed her.
Michelle wassername is a gooper heading up one of the dumbshit phoney gooper front organizations- but she does a pretty good job of speaking somewhat objectively.
The mockery on msnbc is simply unbelievable. They are actually laughing out loud. This is a serious news organization?
((SD)) she is asleep at the moment but it will soon be time to eat again
wobblybits, your vet might be able to find you a wet-nurse cat, would be the best for the kitteh imo.
Christy, don’t know if you have any food allergies as well but a scrumptious salad:
Fresh spinach leaves, some sliced strawberries, cantaloupe chunks and a couple of slices of fresh onion all mixed together.
Oil & vinegar if you want a dressing.
you want serious news turn off cable/network news
Why is Michelle Bernard on my teevee? She is a freaking GOP operative, I guess MSNBC in it’s infinite wisdom thinks that she is thus perfect to cover the Dem primary. My wife went to grade school and high school with Bernard, says she is a stuck up prima donna.
I turned the channel. Am now watching The First 48. Much nicer watching real detectives trying to solve a murder. LOL
thanks elliot. i’ll call her
I
want
my
Grit
teevee!
Now that is a good idea.
Bless you. Are you able to keep her warm? That might be a potential problem. Our flying squirrel was only one month, we knew, because his eyes opened only just as of the next day after we got him. We kept him in a home-made incubator, left over from my grad-school days. (then it was quail, what the hey?!)
Cute story: our little guy, matured, not only happily snuggled in pockets at the soccer games, but LOVED being put on our big fireplace mantle beam, so he could leap/”fly” to us. Gotta love it?!
I would encourage you to contact vet, or at least a breeder, for advice on feeding orphaned little-ones. As far as I know, none of these little guys does well on cow’s milk from the store. Tummy upsets are the last thing she needs at this point.
Oh, and good luck getting any decent sleep for the forseeable future. It won’t last forever. It just feels like it. ;->
A commenter on the McClachy story has the right idea. I like this:
11:05:51 05/13/2008
IceNine
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I think it would be fun for him to start wearing STATE flag pins, and ribbon pins for noble causes (e.g. The Cure for breast cancer). Mix it up. Every so often put on a US flag pin. Then he could ask rhetorically: “What does Senator McCain have against [insert name of state or cause]?” Maybe appear on SNL, Stewart, or Colbert with his entire lapel covered with State and Cause pins, like a be-medalled war hero. I’m just being goofy of course, but I think it adopting a Pin of the Day would be a terrific poke-in-the-eye of the Flag Pin Litmus Test for Patriotism. The people who are “concerned” about his flag pin are never going to vote for him anyway, so using some light-hearted humor would be a nice way to increase his attractiveness.
Oooh — that sounds yummy. I have a recipe for a spinach salad with strawberries and a homemade poppy seed dressing hat I haven’t made in ages. But now you have given me a craving. (And I just ate!)
At that age she only does two thirds of normal kitten activity, eat and sleep. Once her eyes open the cycle is completed with play.
It’s up top, isn’t it?
Showin’ yer age.
I switched over to CNN. Maybe I should switch back?
when she is in the carrier, we placed lil plastic bottles full of warm water and over it a few layers of towels and then a few more towels so she can dig under and snuggle
I do wonder how the “White, working class voters support me more than Obama” schtick will work in Puerto Rico, though?
Oooooh — I love that! Thanks — I may have to work that into a post…
christy-at 60-at 89 in the last thread i posted the wild and wonderful website…….lotsa things there to do…..
i have muscle issues, and every chance i could get, if i lived there, i would go seek out the springs to recharge.
that is what led me to west virginia in the first place, and the ramps. and the cass train. and the romney train.
one thing if you can soak in hot springs, go to berkely springs and soak in one of their big tile tubs…..like a mini-swimming pool in a private room, while you sip on icy spring water……has a spa in another building. but low-key, not highbrow…..also has a museum. george washington ’soaked there’
if in summer, go to the swimming pool next door, which is spring water……the romney train isn’t too far from there. (a local guy from here is part owner)
if peanut is going too on the ’break’, then instead, go down the street from the homestead in hot springs virginia, right over the border, natural hot springs there, separate women’s and men’s huts…..total fun…round, with an open ceiling, i was there when it was raining once……..bubbles come up from below, float on your back and they tickle. like a hut built over a spring…..can get ’spa’ stuff there, too…….george washington ’soaked’ there, too.
or just go to the snowshoe inn and go swimming and eat at the bar down the street……and go across the street and buy a bumper sticker….and take the cass train.
yeah, lots of ways to recharge in wva, including just staying home and taking a drive.
: )
good to hear that. she just sleeps so much. I know it’s normal but I just keep checking to make sure she is breathing *g*
We do the “take a drive” thing pretty frequently. It’s gorgeous here right now in that lush late spring green sort of way. And the local ice cream stands have started to open out in the countryside, which means The Peanut likes to play “spot the cone” and make us pull over for one… *g*
Mine was very different in origin, probably, but still, some things might be similar. STRONG advice: Stay alert for the flare-ups, and take special care to try to “pamper” yourself at such times. It may pay big dividends. It did with me.
Also. I assume you are in touch with phys. therapy people? If not, that’s another biggie in my book. It literally saved my hash to learn how to keep exercising, but in ways that maintained joint flexibility and muscle strength without further inflaming tender joints.
Again, please translate to your own situational needs. Mine was text-book Lyme.
luv u gal!
hmmm well there are white puerto ricans so they might appreciate it but the brown ones won’t
wobbly at 70–good mama.
If anyone had a brain at MSNBC, they would realize that Hillary is waitng for American Idol to get over before giving her speech.
Wobbly, good for you for hanging in there. I loved Elliot’s idea above about finding a mother cat right now who is already feeding some babies. You could slip your little one in there for some ‘yum yums’. ;-)
I really suck at the “pamper myself” thing. Mr. ReddHedd tries to nudge me in that direction from time to time, but I need to be a lot better about it. Good advice, thanks.
That’s because you’re a good mommy.
Only 9% has reported in so far. Wouldn’t it be hysterical if Obama blew by her @ the 40%-in mark?
HAHAHAHAHAHA — Oh man, that is so true. American Idol ruling the broadcast timing. Too perfect a statement of where we are at the moment in this country, isn’t it?
um, no.
One way to analyze this is to realize that you’ve got 40% of the other candidates base, right off the bat. Then you’ve got a certain % of defectors…and some people who are at least open to your message.
23% is a bit high, but now you have to compare the participation levels in the Primaries (Republican vs. Democrat). If the Republicans drew a greater number than the Democrats back in January then this might be very worrisome losing 23% of the voters to the other side (how many re-registered after that Primary as Democrats or Independents is another issue). But if the turnout tonight is 2-3 times that of the Republican primary when it was competitive then you have to think those defections may not matter that much if one can convince the “open” Democrats on the issues.
Oh, and there is also a likely dissatisfaction effect with McCain. McCain only receiuved 1% of the vote in West Virginia. Part of this was, for sure, a deal to prevent one of his rivals from winning substantial candidates. But there still could be many Republicans that supported Huckabee, Paul, etc. decide not to vote at all.
Some of we are on the Bering Sea with dishy Mike Rowe’s voice catchin’ crab.
Sen. Clinton up to speak now live…
I forget who it was, maybe Sadly yes wanted a cat blog some time. Well, where is she?
Ha ha.
Wobbly…do you want to have a baby kitty shower at the beach?
Do we wonder if Ms. Clinton is deciding which way To Go in her speech. I’m sure she’s not delaying just to make keith wrong…
oh, wait, here she is.
christy at 94—i just went out for a ’cone’ today with my dog callie……isn’t it wonderful to live in a place where you can do that????? when i lived down the road in the country, it amazed me that i drove through some of the most beautiful country in the world to go to the grocery store…..i have never gotten over living here, and i’ve been here for ten years last february. part of me wants to be back on the other side of the state with best friends and family, but the other part loves it here and my friends here.
and i’m getting a ’new’ dependable car soon, so, i can start taking jaunts again like i used to….when i moved here i knew all the counties around here, backroads and all….had an old audi that could handle anything…and delorean maps, everyone should have one….has twp roads and all on them……dmac the explorer…my ohio and wva ones-certain pages are worn out…….
Hillary sure is cleaning up tonight.
She didn’t come from behind to win in Indiana.
elliot and wobbly–when we got ellie, she was a little young, and my older calico sunshine adopted her and went back into lactation……had to separate them, she was already weaned……she still acts like ’mama’ with her.
great idea……
That, in my book, is not a bad thing. These “official kingmakers” need a boot in the right place once in awhile. e.g., McAulliff, Emanuel, Schumer, Dean(?). ymmv
Hillary is changing the numbers.
Called vet. No wet nurse but they told me to wet a cotton ball with warm water and rub her ‘areas’ to stimulate her to pee and poop
Actually Bill Clinton set some pretty high hurdles the other night. I think he said that to convince the Super Delegates they’d need to win by over 70% with a turnout in the 80% range. Quite frankly, I think Bill must be inhaling! I think if Obama gets in the mid-30’s OR if the turnout is only in the 60% range that he’s won a tactical victory. And while a blowout might make some Super D’s “pause”…that’d have to be backed up by another big victory/turnout in Kentucky and a collapse by Obama in Oregon.
When we bought my new car last year, it was the first new car I’ve ever bought for myself. I’ve always gotten a used one — and I mean “used,” too. It was so fun to get a new car — and know no matter how far out in the boonies I drove with The Peanut, it would be a smooth, safe ride.
Good luck finding a nice car. It makes such a fun difference, I tell ya…
Moving goalposts. Come on Oregon!
and ignoring her own rules sign-on back at the beginning for MI and FL
I – I – I – I
megalomania R Hillary
Yep.
awww a beach baby shower. I’ll need to register *g*
Ijust got off the phone with the vet who has reassured me that all is well (but I’m still taking her in to see the vet on Thursday)
oh that’s so “yesterday”! Is he STILL propped up in that chair?!
Anyone thot to take a pulse in the last month? ewwww.
Thank God for the guy with the bowling pin.
goodness this is all new to me. but I gladly do it
I hate candidates post election speeche– BORING!
okay pups fill me in on the speech. I’m watching more kitten appropriate programming at the moment *g*
More interesting is the race in MS-1, where Childers (D) leads Davis (R) leads 55-45 (20% in). That is a very R-district, and a bit of a bellweather.
Do you have a link to a site who is tracking that race? I agree- VERY interesting.
Ahhhh, new car smell.
Can’t remember, bought my current vehicle new, Memorial Day weekend, 1998. One Hundred Seventy Thousand miles later, still runs like the day I bought it. Imma drive the frikkin wheels off ‘n it! She’s got at least another couple hundred thou in her.
*knocking on my hollow head*
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that. Good gawd, I’m glad you’re doing this and not me! LOL You have the patience & stamina of a lark right now (have no idea what that means…my grandmother always used to say it). ;-)
I do like the coral jacket on her, though. Nice color… (Why yes, I have been reding Go Fug Yourself lately. Why do you ask? *g*)
Same old fight until the last dog dies stuff, without being insulting.
btw i love the first 48 really interesting show
TPM
Kinda addictive, isn’t it?
I’m not watching Hillary right now so I’m not hearing her voice, but has anyone else noticed how deep her voice is getting? Is she turning into a man and thinks she has to win? I mean, really, she’s done the gun-toting/whiskey-swilling/hunting routine, but it appears she’s decided she has to have a man’s voice now.
I’m sorry, but her behavior over the past few months has scared me. I want my Mommy. Bad.
Kinda pinky orange- or orangey pink?
mr is home and will take over so I can have a break.
Maybe her voice is strained from a lot of talking.
Evening Christy and all..finally got to watch all the Grit TV offerings tonight. Very interesting folks with thoughtful discussion. A wonderful addition to FDL, though I’m not sure it will replace some of our more in depth offerings here on Iraq, economics, and rock music.
You might want to get some 2×2 Non-Woven Gauze Sponges and a 4oz bottle of Eye Irrigation Liquid (sterile, purified water) from your vet. Once her eyes open moisten one of the sponges and clean any goop from her eyes. The queen would be doing this. The non-woven sponges are good because they don’t have little threads that come off and get into whatever. Package of 2 hundred should do. My vet gives me the sponges but I pay for the liquid. You can use regular eye irrigation liquid from the drugstore. It’s the same thing, costs a buck more. Just make sure it’s sterile, purified water.
if you have to speak a lot, speaking in a lower tone of voice is less stressful on the focal cords than a higher pitch.
Your vet will walk you through this. And you’ll have a natural predator who has bonded with you. Doesn’t get much better than that.
My understanding is GritTV will get their own little corner of the Lake sometime next week.
thanks. I took Tboggs advice and am not watching because I knew she was going to win by a huge margin and I don’t need some pundit of the hour to parse every single syllable and vote (not to mention spreading more stereotypes about the said state/ inhabitants of said state)
wobbly, that’s very important, kinda like what momma does, you know, lick, lick… and the bottles w/warm water & towels & bankies… Was in a similar sitch many moons ago… momma kitty got pancaked a week after giving birth. We had five. Used to put ‘em in the front pocket of a pair of bib overalls and walk around, let ‘e experience the sounds & (eventually) sights of the world.
Major flashback with all the friendly advice and all.
Took me back to my youth.
Thanks everyone.
She’s had a bad cold, and has almost lost her voice a coupla times. I think it’s husky because she’s done so many appearances. She’s honestly been working her ass off here — I don’t think I have EVER seen a candidate for the presidency campaign this hard in WV. It’s been an impressive display of stamina, I have to say.
I do too. Very interesting how they find the killer(s). I wonder about myself sometimes when I watch that show, because most of the time the actual crime scenes don’t bother me…but then one show…a cockatoo bird was stabbed to death with a fork along with it’s owner…and I had to put my fingers over my eyes! What the hell is wrong with me? Anyone know?
Incidentally, the dead cockatoo ended up solving the case because the bird kept attacking the killer in defense of it’s owner. Tons of DNA on the claws as well as the light switch, which had the killer’s blood on it, because the bird also attacked his hands in addition to his head when the attack was occurring.
Yeah, that could be too. She’s constantly transforming herself though. Scary to watch.
I love our comments section. Someone always knows something helpful…gotta love that.
KO: “Tied with the Sermon on the Mount.” His very first statement after her speech. Can anyone believe it?
your awesome. thanks for the advice (writing it all down)
When do they open their eyes? (after how many weeks?)
Thanks Christy. I had no idea she had a cold. She has stamina alright. To me, it’s getting annoying, but I agree with most, that if she wants to stay in she can. It’s just so damn annoying though! ;-)
Yep, we’re not all about teh rage, 24/7 here, after all.
A comment like that from KO is unkind, unnecessary and unprofessional.
I think Hillary really is aware of how many women in this country see her as their surrogate. She doesn’t want to let them down.
Ha! Hillary claims she came from behind in Indiana? Wonder what poll she’s talkin’ about? Except for Zogby’s final poll she was either winning substantially (sometimes by mid-teen double digits) or at worst tied in a handful. The surveys in the last week show her winning by an average of seven. She won by under 1%.
Suffolk 5/3-4/08 Clinton 49 [+6] Obama 43
PPP (D) 5/3-4/08 Clinton 51 [+5] Obama 46
ARG 5/2-4/08 Clinton 53 [+8] Obama 45
SurveyUSA 5/2-4 Clinton 54 [+12] Obama 42
Zogby 5/2-3 Clinton 41 Obama 43 [+2 but margin of error = tied]
Zogby 4/30-5/1 Clinton 42 Obama 42 [tied]
ARG 4/30-5/1 Clinton 53 [+9] Obama 44
InsiderAdvantage 4/30-5/1 Clinton 47 [+7] Obama 40
Downs Center 4/28-30 Clinton 52 [+7]Obama 45
Rasmussen 4/29 Clinton 46 [+5] Obama 41
TeleResearch 4/25-29 Clinton 48 [+10] Obama 38
PPP (D) 4/26-27 Clinton 50[+8] Obama 42
SurveyUSA 4/25-27 Clinton 52 [+9] Obama 43
Research 2000 4/23-24 Clinton 47 Obama 48 [statistical tie]
ARG 4/23-24 Clinton 50[+5] Obama 45
Howey-Gauge 4/23-24 Clinton 45 Obama 47 [statistical tie]
SurveyUSA 4/11-13 Clinton 55 [+16] Obama 39
ARG 4/2-3 Clinton 53 [+9] Obama 44
Research 2000 3/31-4/2 Clinton 49 [+3] Obama 46
SurveyUSA 3/29-31Clinton 52[+9] Obama 43
That was incredibly crass, I have to say.
check check and check. You pups are awesome.
How often should we stimulate to poo and pee? after feedings?
Usually 7-10 days, but the range is 2-16 days.
KO hates Hillary so much that he is allowing her to make an ass out of him.
Wobbly, I just found this link (someone may have already posted it the other night, though):
http://cats.about.com/cs/kitte…..ethree.htm
More great tips included.
You are a nightingale. ;-)
She has given him plenty of material.
But yeah, over the top.
ohh i never saw that one and I normally never miss them (thursday nights) I’ll have to keep my eyes open for that episode.
OT
aww, the comapssion of President Bush:
President Bush gave up golfing cause he didn’t want to appear insensitive to the moms of all those dead soldiers.
christy at 117-and bonger-yep, my lebaron is worn out, thankfully and a big surprise, my mom called last friday and said she and my dad were stopping on their way to marietta, then called saturday to say she ’lied’ and they were coming in a few weeks–why? they are giving me my dad’s car…..and they, who have never purchased a used car, bought TWO USED SAABS……on a whim……mom’s is a convertible, her dream car, and dad’s is NINE YEARS OLD……. understand, this is out of character, ends up when mom was test driving the 2004, dad liked one….she said she would never get rid of her cougar, but i guess the saab convertible did it.
she made it clear they were ’used’ saabs……
my dad and a nine year old car……a retired corporate accountant….his other vehicle is a ’89 mini-truck……she said i almost got the 99 saab, but dad likes it…..i don’t care, although i did kid him about the sable being an ’old man’s touring car’….it’s a 2004, and has a keypad, so, i won’t be locking my keys in it……good thing.
they said it was better than the cougar cuz it had a bad back seat and all…..the sable has 4 doors and she said callie the collie would like it better, she actually said that…….
so, i get the sable…….i was speechless, cuz i can’t afford a payment, and now i don’t have to, my mechanic has kept my car goin’ for a while now…..they have given my sister cars over the years instead of trading them in, (my best friend last week sang a song about how many cars my parents have given her and none for me) but i didn’t expect it. not in a million years.they help in a pinch, i don’t take advantage, ever, i’m on disability and do my best with what i have, i’m ok…i’m more than lucky. i have a nice house in the woods, only things i needed that i can’t afford were a car and a computer.
i will no longer have to leave for butler county, three hours away, at 6 am in order to avoid the summer heat!!!
i can now run errands in the middle of the day!!!
i’ll have a thing called AIR CONDITIONING!!!!!
so, lookout west virginia…….WHAT FUN!!!
I worked my butt off to help make that gap narrow in Indianapolis. Unfortunately Lake County wasn’t organized enough to knock her out totally. That comment about coming from behind is just one more scrap of rewritten history.
Oh well, on to Louisville this weekend. Fun, but at the same time tiresome.
Who are these women that consider her a surrogate? Weird concept. I don’t see her now as being a feminist, liberal, progressive, or even a Democrat at this point. There was woman the last time I met with local Democrats and she looked like the lead singer of Twisted Sister. LOL
Wow, he’s worried about the mom NOW? What about Cindy Sheehan? He wasn’t worried much about her loss, I think.
I don’t know how often, but don’t be discouraged right away if you don’t see any “results”… little ones’ little bodies digest and use most everything coming in for the first few weeks.
thanks SD and Kay for the info and links. this lil one is going to have losts of god pups if all goes well.
“No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916…” CHS
The one thing that I think makes this no longer inevitable is the change in the electoral map (if that’s what it’s called). For example, there are states that are leaning Democratic, the mountain states like Colorado. The west is becoming a new flank for the Democratic party, thus, the convention in Denver.
are you canvassing, phone banking?
rw at 162–hate breeds contempt…….a saying that is misunderstood, but in your comment about KO, makes sense.
his hate will breed his own contempt.
good to know
Canvassing. I figure I’ve done 7000 doors in Ohio and Indiana. Maybe more, lost track.
I’ll alert the authorities in Butler County
;~P
KayInMaine’s link at 163 is great. Just scanned it and it’s got all the basics there. The link recommends a towel but I’d stimulate over a sink or in the tub. Lady next door did 4 this way last fall. They’re still there.
Well, Kay, one of the nice things about FDL is that we can agree to disagree..I disagree with your assessment of the situation. There are a lot of women who are very invested in Sen. Clinton from that position. But you certainly have a right to your opinion and to express it.
I am, I admit, a political junkie. On primary and caucus nights from Iowa onward, I have watched the cable news coverage (mostly MSNBC) until it goes off the air, bemoaning the tone and the lack of substance of much of the punditry but unable to stay away.
Tonight, however, as I was leaving the Kwik Shop where I stopped to pick up a gallon of milk around 7:30 p.m. CDT, a newspaper headline caught my eye and I suddenly remembered that tonight was a primary night. West Virginia. I had completely forgotten about it.
I wonder what that means.
It’s on right now. I’ve noticed they’ve been running old episodes at 8 or 9pm most evenings on A&E. Not sure why (not complaining), but that’s how the line up is right now.
Well, on that note I’m going to bed. Nite all. ;-)
dr bong at 171 for wobbly–good point, i was going to add that, internal growth happens first, still developing lungs, etc….i think this one has more than a good chance……
sorry but considering the division that her campaign has wrought, you will all excuse me if I’m lacking in appropriate compassion for her.
MS-1: Childers (D)/Davis(R) 53/47 (58%)
Some very racial ads were run down there trying to tie Obama to Childers. Doesn’t seem to be working.
With this many concerned pups on the case, what else could we expect?
bonger at 178–oh, they already know when i’m comin’…….heh…….i used to babysit for them……..lol……
When you realize that he was going to write an Executive Order saying that
der Fuhrera President had to be allowed to play on the PGA Senior Tour…it was a big sacrifice for a guy with a 40 handicap.Yes, we can definitely agree to disagree, but I cannot for the life of me after 8 years of Bush & Cheney and all the baggage and all the connections between them and the Clintons, anyone would be supporting them now. Bill Clinton recently helped George & Barbara Bush at a fundraiser. To some that wouldn’t be a big deal, but if Hillary gets in and suddenly starts claiming “executive privilege!” in addition to those around her, don’t come running to me. Okay?
You can disagree with this too. ;-)
Okay, going to bed. Nite nite Toby and everyone.
Good for you, Carlo. I’ll be doing the same canvassing beat once we get through the primaries. Whatever it takes to keep McCain from making Supreme Court nominations…I did the same for the Kerry campaign 4 years ago, and ran into someone I canvassed then at the polls this morning. *g*
well we are trying and hoping for the best. We’re going to up her feedings to every two hours and see if she’ll take more food. She just seems to be more interested in sleeping
…poor kids!
;~P
boa noite, kay
Here are vote totals as of 9:46 pm ET from the Sec of State’s office:
(429 of 1,894 precincts)
Hillary Clinton: 53,462
Barack Obama: 25,921
John Edwards: 5,892
and hillary’s voice–i bet it’s allergies, everything is bloomin’ in wva right now, and the mold and stuff from the rains and she’s a city gal…not used to it….takes a week before you realize it’s allergies…..
Oh, it will continue then as well, including voter registration. We might not win Indiana but we’ll run the same rearguard action on McCain that drew Clinton away from North Carolina. :)
Just hope that the rural counties haven’t submitted all the early returns. Childers did much better in the rural counties.
brb have to take the pup out to tinkle
It’s all good, Kay…pleasant dreams to you.
Yeah, me too… ‘cept I call him “Big Jim”
Kindred spirits.
I can’t watch “Dances with Wolves”
1. Shooting of the “tame” wolf.
2. Shooting of the horse.
3. (distant) the dove they show when hero arrives at the outpost he’s supposed to man & protect, that dang dove is a domestic Ring Dove, of Middle Eastern heritage, but domesticated so long, NO ONE is sure just exactly where they came from. That ain’t no Mourning Dove! And that’s whut it oughtta be, but no mourning dove in its right mind would sit still in an old shack for Hollywood to make it a star. Not worth its time. *g*
Ruins the movie for me. Especially 1. and 2., and don’t get me started on the bidness of horse racing in the u s of a. SHAME on the breeders.
But I digress. Forgive. Dumping brain contents in prep for settling down for the night pretty soon.
Wobbly. Your efforts have turned me to jelly. Good luck. And if you’re successful with this fluffy little wonder, brace yourself. Because all the neighbors and all their friends will try to dump their “orphans” on you. Practice saying, “No” politely but firmly, just in case.
– says I, with a sweet kitty draped over one shoulder and whispering in my ear that it’s almost snack time but, before that, we have to play her favorite games. sigh.
Grit TV upstairs
HRC is $20 million in debt. Obama has offered her a fig branch, offering to help pay some of her debt.
To have any kind of positive standing in the New Democratic Party, she must abandon her efforts to block Obama’s nomination.
She can keep fighting or become a powerful figure in the NDP. She can’t do both. The White House is no longer an option.
According to a Pew Research poll, in January HRC enjoyed a 67-32% favorable to unfavorable ratio among Obama supporters. She is now viewed favorably by only 51% of Obama supporters and unfavorably by 46%.
In Aug. 2007 Pew found African Americans viewed her favorably by 86%. Today it is down to 56%. The Clinton’s have alienated the African American voters.
“An aggressive HRC for vice president campaign would simply reopen fights that are just ending, and offer Obama two bad choices. He’ll either look weak by capitulating to pressure from the defeated wing of the party , or to look spiteful by refusing to take HRC on .”
The best move may be to choose a Clinton supporter for a running mate. Gov. Rendell of Penn, Gov. Strickland of Ohio or Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. To choose on of these guys, or someone similar, may mend fences between the two factions and smooth things over for the fight with McBush.
I agree, but they had better be ready to kiss ass in a really big way. If not, I say we just go with Richardson.
Gotta go, gang, albeit reluctantly.
If I don’t, tonight’s dishes, well… ahem…
Don’t even start… The Mr. prepped all the garbage for taking out tomorrow a.m. & dutifully drags hisownself outta bed in time to catch the truck and avoid the neighbor’s dawgs while I pretend to be a dead sloth mornings…
P. E. A. C. E.
Obama has not offered to pay any of her debt. In the first place, that’s illegal under federal election law. And, in the second place, his top advisers have said this did not happen. So unless some offer has been made in the last few hours — in which case, do you have a link for your information — that was a false rumor that was unreliably sourced and directly denied by Obama’s staff.
wobbly at 191–my surgeon once told me, the only time you heal is when you are sleeping, that is why rest is so important if you are sick or HAVE AN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE CHRISTY, so, sleep is good, that is why baby animals and baby humans sleep so much…..it sounds like she is communicating to you when she is hungry, i was just asking about the three hours cuz dehydration is a concern when they are that little……try to give her less more often, but if she seems content with what you are doing, keep it up. you’re doin’ fine, she’s still alive isn’t she?
and bonger, i was a GREAT babysitter……but my sister was better, i admit…she was actually babysitting at age 12, went on to be wild as hell……she now teaches 9th grade english and is in a cast right now from ankle surgery and it’s killin’ her……a sub, many subs, now have to teach to kill a mockingbird…..she thought she had an english sub, found out it was gym teacher subs and refused to change the lesson plan……..good for her…….everyone should read that book, that’s what we said when she made the decision…….but i wasn’t a bad baby sitter……had choice ’clients’ that were neighbors….the prosecutor, the mayor, the head of ohio casualty’s daughter, her husband was vice-pres, now ceo…..nice pay. they all moved on to bigger and better houses, but my mom and dad still live in the same neighborhood…….the prosecutor’s youngest daughter had a speech impediment when she was little, said ’focks’ for ’socks’……..really. but my sister had one when she was little, said gvreen for green, so, she helped her with it…..but it was a shocker when she said, i need my ’focks’….rofl.
Someone’s got to pay for all that speed she and McAuliffe have been doing.
She can “suspend” her campaign, as Edwards and Mittens did, and still raise money to retire the debt, can’t she?
will do.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but from the position that she is one of my senators, I think I can say this: I think she’s done. I don’t think she’s interested in being the vice president. I think she also knows that her constituents are proud of her for running…but a whole lot, especially in Upstate New York, expected more from her and feel that this time around, she has not delivered. She’s up for reelection in 2012. I think this was her one shot and I think she won’t run for reelection and I don’t think she’ll try for the presidency again either. Just my opinion.
BTW, I love it that Edwards still got almost 6,000 votes, in spite of having been gone for, what, 4 months.
Nailbiter in the Mississippi #1. Childers up by 600 votes with about 80% counted (50%-50%). His big County isn’t in yet…but I don’t know about the other ones. Davis’s best districts almost all in.
You see, when she says she’s just getting started, she means it – she’s just going to keep campaigning all the way through to 2012.
2016, if necessary. Make some coffee, dammit.
The story isn’t about Clinton. Clearly, without a black swan landing in our nomination pond, Clinton can’t win. The story is why is our Party’s presumptive nominee only recieving 28% of the vote?
Rather than addressing this interesting and alarming fact, they pound the delegate math. Stupid.
RE: kitties
Everything wants to live. No cat ever voluntarily starved itself to death without putting up a fuss – if the wee kittie is putting up a fuss when it is hungry and sleeping lots, all is well.
Not unlike a human baby.
I’d better get my muffin and bagel order in early, huh. :)
It will not stand. Her reputation is already ruined. Every Obama supporter will make so very sure that doesn’t happen, in 2008, 2012, 2016, and until hell freezes over.
She absolutely can. But Obama cannot move money from his coffers to hers to pay off debt. He can, however, host a fundraiser, send out fundraising letters, what-have-you — others have done that in the past.
I put up a fresh thread for everyone…
I think that the best comparison is this: 2008=1932, Obama=FDR, HRC=Al Smith, McCain=Herbert Hoover.
i’ve been dying to say this–hope it makes sense–
and i don’t think the clintons ’lost’ black voters, they just found a man they like better…everyone seems to forget how long it took for black voters to embrace him, well, i haven’t, is the same as a new friendship, you check them out, but then wonder, then look harder, then think, then hear the old, then they’re gettin’ jealous, then your new friends tell you new stuff and you like it, then you say, hey, i like it over here….and like with anyone when your friends move on to someone they have more in common with-it hurts and you say things you shouldn’t, but everyone ends up friends in the end, cuZ they have a bond with both of them……….
make new friends but keep the old, one is silver and the other’s gold.
oldgold:
equally valid comment/question from Carolyn:
AP calls it for Childress!
For anyone who wants to climb…Christy is waaaay upstairs(perhaps we should be playing “Up on the Roof”) with more thready goodness.
huuh?
;~P
forgot-wanted to keep posting this
darcy burner also said in her mailing that it’s the last night to vote for the progressive patriot who will get 5k from it.
voting closes wednesday morning.
http://www.progressivepatriots…..se-iv.html
here’s a little about the candidates you choose from:
http://www.progressivepatriots…..se-iv.html
*giggling*
All I ever needed to know, I learned in kindergarten.
And that was one of ‘em
PS: that is the story tonite (no disrespect for HRC). That is very big.
bonger at 222 quit psyching me!!!!!! i fell for that again at first, you are so annoying, you asshat, i think we were separated at birth. you freak!!! rofl……….man………shoulda saved your calling out for email, oh well, everyone should know of your sibling annoying ways……..like john hiding my cigarettes in the ceiling…….and telling me ’you’re hot, you’re cold’…….sheesh. you would be wearin’ sumpthin extra right now if you were here.
: P
double that
: P
Heard it on the radio Monday morning.
I don’t have any back-up for that remark.
WayneC
oh, hey, real quick… i don’t think yer gonna find “chase the rainbow” on youtube.
just let me know when your inbox has some breathing room and i’ll shoot it over to ya.
really goota goo
mrs bong dont like me out cavortin’
*hee hee*
Clinton’s great for 2028!
WayneC
Wow, three strikes for the GOP. They lost two special elections recently in states they’ve held for decades.
bonger at 232–ok, coulda been an hour ago, or now…….
and mrs. bong knows you better than anyone, bonger…….
sweet snores.
ygm
timmah russert just delivered hillary’s message – if her debt is not paid off before august, she eats the $20mil loss – all except $250K.
Does this have to do with some kind of Primary finance laws??
WayneC
The DFH were right about the importance of protecting the environment and out west they get it.
If we can find a way to keep government small-ish and the budget pretty much balanced, then we can also win a lot of Libertarian (former Republican) votes out West.
Then we’d have a Western Strategy to win a lot of national races we haven’t been competetive in for forever.