Here's to you Milliard Fillmore, the nation's Lou Dobbs viewers turn their bitter eyes to you!
Now that the Supreme Court has issued its execrable decision allowing more strict voter identification at the polls, though no evidence of widespread voter fraud has ever been produced, the nativist still do not think it is enough. Now, it is about disenfranchisement of groups that vote against conservative agendas and nothing less.
The battle over voting rights will expand this week as lawmakers in Missouri are expected to support a proposed constitutional amendment to enable election officials to require proof of citizenship from anyone registering to vote.
The measure would allow far more rigorous demands than the voter ID requirement recently upheld by the Supreme Court, in which voters had to prove their identity with a government-issued card.
How bad is Missouri's plan, pretty damn bad:
The Missouri secretary of state, Robin Carnahan, a Democrat who opposes the measure, estimated that it could disenfranchise up to 240,000 registered voters who would be unable to prove their citizenship.
In most of the states that require identification, voters can use utility bills, paychecks, driver’s licenses or student or military ID cards to prove their identity. In the Democratic primary election last week in Indiana, several nuns were denied ballots because they lacked the required photo IDs.
Measures requiring proof of citizenship raise the bar higher because they offer fewer options for documentation. In most cases, aspiring voters would have to produce an original birth certificate, naturalization papers or a passport.
So how many of you walk around with your birth certificate, how many of you actually have a passport, how many of you carry it around with you?
And yet, apparently on the suspicion of a poll watcher, these requirements may be instituted. I am guessing in a lot of places that standard will be applied real uniformly...in favor of white people.
And not only is this loathsome proposal the progeny of bad Supreme Court law, it is being used in a way that truly will appeal to the latent xenophobe, it would be put up to referendum in Missouri before the election, a crucial swing state, to ensure as many otherwise non-motivated bigots rush to the polls to vote.
Sponsors of the amendment — which requires the approval of voters to go into effect, possibly in an August referendum — say it is part of an effort to prevent illegal immigrants from affecting the political process. Critics say the measure could lead to the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of legal residents who would find it difficult to prove their citizenship.
So an effort to sneak it in, before the November elections with the hopes of disqualifying a quarter-million eligible overwhelmingly non-Republican voters.
Surely the thing so many people have died for...restricting the vote by being a dick.
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Alberto Gonzales resigned in shame, but the good attorneys he ran out are still “run out” while the Republican cronies he installed ARE STILL THERE!
The DoJ was politically abused and has not been fixed. Don’t underestimate this. Gonzo’s goons are still occupying attorney offices in swing states.
McCain could win on this fact alone. A few hundred thousand votes here, a few hundred thousand votes there, and voila - President McCain.
In this diary:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....812/472111
is a link to Brian Schweitzer talking about Real ID, which depends ultimately on birth certificates, if you don’t have a passport. He points out that all you need for a passable birth certificate is to give four sixteen year olds twenty minutes at a kinkos.
The point is there are no standards, and can’t be, without time travel, for authenticity of a birth certificate.
And yet, apparently on the suspicion of a poll watcher, these requirements may be instituted. I am guessing in a lot of places that standard will be applied real uniformly…in favor of white people who are registered republicans.
Attaturk -
Thought this ‘graph needed a tad more clarification.
Morning all :)
dugggggg!
Back in the early days of this admin, there was talk of mandatory reporting of all requests for birth certificate copies to Homeland Security.
Anybody know what (if anything) became of this?
And from the NYT:
May 12, 2008
Editorial
What Social Security Isn’t Meant to Do
To hear some in Congress tell it, the federal government urgently needs to expand its electronic employment verification system, E-Verify, to all corners of the country and force every business to use it. But a hearing in the House last week raised serious questions about the costs and collateral damage of that expansion, the latest scheme by hard-liners to slam the door shut on unauthorized immigrant workers.
E-Verify is a voluntary program in which employers can check workers’ names against databases kept by the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security. About 61,000 employers have signed up. A bill by Heath Shuler, a North Carolina Democrat, and Tom Tancredo, the Republican anti-immigration extremist from Colorado, would require each of the 7.4 million employers in the United States to participate in E-Verify — and to fire anyone, citizen or otherwise, who cannot prove that he or she has the right to work.
Barbara Kennelly, a former Democratic representative from Connecticut and president of the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, warned at the hearing that forcing Social Security to take on the enormous burden of immigration enforcement would be a harmful diversion from its core mission and could strain the bureaucracy to the breaking point.
That would have frightening implications for millions of people who are supposed to be served by the Social Security Administration, particularly the elderly and those who are disabled. With Social Security struggling to provide existing services and the sunset of the baby boom approaching, Ms. Kennelly said, now is no time to pile on more responsibilities. The backlog of pending disability cases at the initial level is more than 500,000, and more than 750,000 people who have appealed rejected claims are awaiting decisions. As of February, the average wait on an appeal was more than 500 days.
Ah, yes…..shuler. The POS with whom I am burdened. Prime example of the fact that having a “D” behind your name is just as likely to = “something worse than an ‘R’”. :-( & grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
We need bar codes. If everyone had a bar code tattooed on them immediately after birth we would not have problems with voter ID, “real” driver licenses or other paper forms of ID.
There would, of course, have to be stringent laws to enforce against defacing the “birth tattoo” and annual inspections, at the same time as ones annual medical exam, to ensure that the tattoo was still in good condition. The system should be tested on veterans and should, of course, be mandatory and enforced if veterans want to take advantage of the VA.
Shhhhhhhhh, don’t give ‘em any *more* ideas; tho’ I wouldn’t put it past the thugs to already have that one on the agenda. :-(
She’s baaack… Good morning, pups. It’s Monday so we’re faced with Kristol, with Krugman to take the bad taste away. That poisonous blot on the human race Kristol typed about “The Jewish State at 60,” and mutters that in 2008 the defense of the state of Israel, and everything it stands for, requires a kind of courage very much out of accord with the perpetual click-clack of our politics. Mr. Krugman addresses “The Oil Nonbubble,” and asks are speculators mainly responsible for high oil prices? And if they aren’t, why have so many commentators insisted, year after year, that there’s an oil bubble?
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. My machine is out of the DOSpital with more memory, but it turned out to be a more difficult operation than anticipated. (The original surgeon didn’t realize that the new chips needed to be “rocked” into place, and we had to call in a specialist.) The morning glories are swarming up their supports and are reaching for the ugly fence… Have a great day, even if it is Monday.
Oh, lordy, wouldn’t THAT make the fundie nut cakes crazy! I can hear them howling about “the mark of the beast” already…
Ah, Heath Shuler…here’s a great little story from the world of the NFL and Michael Silver of Yahoo Sports:
Did you see that North Carolina congressman Heath Shuler, a superdelegate to the Democratic Convention, pledged his support for Hillary Clinton despite her lopsided defeat in his state’s primary earlier this week? OK, but who is Gus Frerotte backing? “Obama all the way, baby,” says the Vikings’ 37-year-old backup quarterback, who beat out Shuler when they were Redskins newbies back in the mid-90s. “At this point, I think the writing’s on the wall.” Frerotte wasn’t moved by Shuler’s reasoning that the majority of people in his district voted for Clinton, saying, “What different does that make? It’s about the big picture. Look at (former Sen. George) McGovern – he was a Clinton supporter for how many years, and he switched. The funny thing is that back when Heath and I were teammates and used to talk politics, he was a hard-core Republican. I guess he adapted his views.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/ne.....;type=lgns
Hell’s bells and codfish! I’m surprised the twit ain’t gonna vote for mcbush.
And a pssssssssst to Frerotte: Honey, I hate to be the one to break the news but he still *is* a “hard-core republican”.
Wasn’t there an elected black ex QB that was a stooge for the goopers from Texas(?). If I remember they gave him some position as “spokesperson for questionable ideas” and now he is a professional talking head.
It’s a police state.
hmm
since a copy of a Cook County birth certificate costs $15, could this not be construed as a poll tax.
IIRC, those have been ruled unconstitutional.
Seems like a fitting argument.
Yes but the gummint is spying on us to make sure that the police are treating us fairly.
That was former Oklahoma Sooner QB J.C. Watts. He’s still a GOPer, but left the house a few years ago. He’s on CNN from time to time spewing the bullshit.
Yeah that’s him. Sorry to Texas for assuming that the little twit was from the great state that has given us such great presidents as codpiece.
Good Morning Attaturk,
Oh Joy! Can’t wait till I have to show “my papers” to buy my groceries. Wouldn’t want any food getting to those illegally alien mostly brown people.
CSPAN 1 this morning.
7:30am - Maria Cardona, Hillary Clinton for President Senior Adviser
8:00 am - Carl Schmid, AIDS Institute, Federal Affairs Director
8:30 am - Avery Comarow, U.S. News & World Report, Senior Health Writer | Report
9:30 am - Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
10:00 am - CDC HIV/AIDS Programs
National Experts Retreat from Estimate of 40,000 New US HIV Infections Annually
One of John McCain’s leading economic advisors said Sunday that she couldn’t name a credible economist who supported the presumptive Republican presidential nominee’s proposal to suspend the federal gas tax for the summer.
And physicists sometimes argue about the theory of gravity.
Does John McCain have a US birth certificate to vote in America? Huh. Maybe we should ask him about that.
Here’s a video of Bill Orally going insane in his early days that some folks might want to take viral.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....578/514018
Bah hahahahahahahaha! Oh gawd, that video is the funniest ever.
NOT FUNNY: Why do I have this sneaking suspicion Billo beats his wife and his pets? Does Mrs. Billo where sunglasses all the time?
The man is a lunatic and it’s no wonder he represents the right wing of our country well. They love him to death!
Ahh, pleasant fellow,
I Can.Not.Wait for his wife’s tell-all.
Time to lay off the nose candy, Billdo
OMG!
watch this version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvyD2fo99Mg
Must be where he won that Peabody Award.
Carly F did a fine job at HP.
IIRC she was canned for spying on shareholders.
We’ll burn the entire State, level our homes and plow salt into the earth, thus ensuring the State forever remains barren. Do all of us Texans also need to commit ritual suicide to please you Texas bashers? It is unfortunate that you hold all 24 million of us at fault. We hang our heads in our collective shame.
and I’ll highlight further
a poll worker sees someone they know to be a democrat or has the demographics of a democrat (errr…if they are black), then they need to pass the highest standards for id
in adition, since some people have trouble distinguishing the features if individuals when that person is a certain race (errr…they all look alike to me), even picture id will not be enough
Molly Ivins, Ann Richards, Jim Hightower to name a few wonderful Texans.
I read through the article and the comments, and here’s what I never saw, not even once:
“The presence of illegal immigrants presents a genuine problem to the fairness of the voting process, but we need to find a way to address it that does not result in disenfranchising large numbers of legitimate voters.”
If the Left would at least recognize the problem, some of us on the Right might actually believe you’re honest about opposing the measure, and not merely shilling for Democratic victory by virtue of a flood of illegal votes.
The fact that not a single one of you will acknowledge this as a problem — ever — is what makes me certain that you know perfectly well what the real issue is, and your concerns about xenophobes, bigots, and disenfranchised voters are nothing but demagogic posturing to cover your real agenda, that of stealing an election by making sure a bunch of illegals vote Democratic.
PS………..Most of the Republicans (Tories) were run outta this country once before, maybe we can get them all next time.
God bless Molly and Ann R. Wow, do we ever miss them. Both of them could just toss out a throw away line and eviscerate Bush and friends.
RIP
the left recognizes that there is no problem, there is no voter fraud and your very post is simply repeating the right wing talking points
undocumented people don’t vote, they are afraid of getting arrested
the issue does not exist, it can’t exist
the only real voter fraud we have to worry about would be organized voter fraud that would involve officials, that’s it
so progressives recognize the problem you are talking about and recognize that it is simply propaganda from the right wing
Not sure this is off-topic or not, but did anyone watch the Andrew Jackson special on PBS? it aired here in MN yesterday. It is “must” watching! I was astounded at how his presidency paralleled what is going on now - it was the beginning of corporations. One major difference - Jackson began to become concerned about the rich getting richer and the middle class getting screwed. So he started the Democratic party.
The party of small government strikes again. I wonder what they’d say if you told them about a system in Some other Country where the government decides on a case-by-case basis who is eligible to vote on who gets to be in the government.
The outrage expressed by my fellow progressives on this issue is downright weird. A true democracy must defend the integrity of its voting mechanics. Eligible voters must be able to prove that they are eligible voters. In this day and age, in the richest country in the world, and even in countries that aren’t so rich, eligible voters should be able to produce photo ID. I would even go so far as to say that a passport or federal photo ID should be required. This is a no-brainer in other leading democracies.
What is setting off progressive alarm bells is that these lately very red
states are asking citizens to produce photo ID at an extremely sensitive point of contact between the state and its citizens - at the voting booth. The states ask this while not being too concerned about photo ID at other points of contact, for example registering a car, paying a tax, or claiming benefits. Thus these laws create the impression that the state isn’t too interested in your citizenship - except when you want to vote! And the alarm bells go off.
The proper progressive response is to promote the fact that both the state and its citizens benefit from authentic contact with one another. In order to improve the quality of the contact states should then move the photo ID requirement up the civil hierarchy, to a central citizen registration office, a place where everyone would have to present photo ID to register a car, pay a tax, claim benefits, and register to vote. When everyone realizes that they need to produce photo ID to register a car it won’t be a problem for them to produce photo ID to vote - and there won’t be so much howling on the left that voter turnout is being manipulated.
There would be howling on the right of course - a central citizen registration office!! Communism!! But if we have any luck then Bush will leave office without having destroyed government. The state is here to stay, we may shout, so let’s do it right this time.
People who have gone through their entire adult lives without providing photo ID before interacting with the state will be stepping up to vote and
a.k.a Department of Homeland Security and ReadID.
It’s funny that pathological fear of the government is an issue in the US, a country in which government services other than police and defense have been aborted or ruthlessly pruned. My point is that the antidote to Homeland Security is government that delivers on bread and butter, non-security issues. An irony of the current situation is that the government probably knows who and where you are even though you haven’t registered at any citizen registration office. In other words, the authorities get the information without having to deliver the goods.
If by “pathological fear of the government” you mean government is bad and doesn’t function properly, then yes, that is a common misunderstanding.
I don’t really belong here, but I can’t help but leave some thoughts. You people really need a voice of reason and intelligence!
It seems to me that EVERYONE who cares about this country would want to ensure that only citizens vote. Unless of course, you actually don’t like this country, and only care about your side of politics, and are really pretty excited about allowing illegal aliens to vote (democratic), and don’t mind at all if ACORN buses poor African Americans to the polls more than once to vote more than once. Or helps them send in absentee ballots more than once.
Sorry, didn’t mean to get snotty. I reacted just as most of you do. What I meant to say, was that the sanctity of our electoral process is more important than politics. By defending illegal voting, you people are on the wrong side, but you’re so angry and adamant, you don’t even care.
One more thing: If you are scared by the thought of Big Brother, as I am, you can’t be a liberal. But requiring ID and proof of citizenship to vote is one of the legitimate functions of government, right up there with the postal service and national defense. It’s all the other government programs that intrude into our lives, cost us money, and take away our freedoms that need to be done away with. And don’t give me that “disenfranchisement” argument. That word has lost its meaning. You can get a birth certificate very easily from the county in which you were born, by mail.
Dear troll:
It seems to me that EVERYONE interested in voter ID regulations might want to address long-standing issues of inequality in provision of identification documents for citizens first, lest they be seen as heading down the path of voter suppression.
Or, alternatively, not, you silly child. From the original fucking story:
See, in the days of Jim Crow, a lot of hospitals didn’t open their doors to black folks. And even then, a lot of people were born at home regardless. And since black folks didn’t count for shit, the state didn’t feel too obligated to issue them birth certificates, since their identities — ‘one of Those People’ — were inscribed in their skin.
Compared to the documented problems of voter suppression, there is no threat of non-citizens voting. There is a very good reason for this: the reward for voting illegally (one additional vote to the total) is not worth the risk (felony conviction and deportation). This is why it happens extremely rarely. Conversely, the reward for the GOP in keeping old black folks from the polls (get elected) is much greater than the risks (nada), which is why it happens a lot.
If Missouri wants to guarantee positively that only citizens vote, it can damn well pay for the vital records checks out of its own state purse.
Hey, this is real simple, folks. If the ‘Thugs plan to play this ball with us, then we turn it around and play it right back at them. Go to every GOP stronghold precinct as pollwatchers and demand that each voter provide proof of citizenship. Every last one. Let’s see if those people are willing to wait in line for hours to have their citizenship questioned.
Maybe then they’ll get the message.
If you wanted to push hard enough, you could probably deny John McCain the right to vote. Why? As Brian Schweitzer has noted, there’s no secure standard for birth certificates from the 1930s. How the heck do we know for sure that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to US citizen parents?
This isn’t about pieces of paper, it’s about trust, and if someone decides that they don’t want to trust you with the vote, then no amount of paper will suffice.
Electoral mechanics in the US produce low voter turnout and thereby promote a non-constitutional 2-party system that ultimately serves elite interests only. These mechanics are characterized by a lack of uniform voting procedures, a lack of uniform registration procedures, and voting on workdays during working hours. As I understand them, the Missouri and Indiana laws would lower turnout. The problem isn’t that they introduce photo ID requirements per se. These I argue are desireable. The laws are flawed because they introduce the requirement in isolation from other points of contact between the state and its citizens. I believe that the photo ID requirement, when introduced at a higher point in the civic hierarchy, could lead to increased voter turnout. This is the area that should be of primary concern to reformers. Stories about illegal aliens voting only serve the propaganda interests of Dems and Reps. No effort should be spared to increase turnout. We can start by requiring citizens to register as citizens by showing photo ID at the citizen registration office in their hometowns. This will help the government serve them better. Seeing the results of effective government, people will be more likely to vote.
You speak is if you have vested interest in RealID.
I have points of disagreement with your wider argument, but it’s definitely coherent, and a model for how continental European countries deal with issues of identification. There’s not the same attachment to tokens of identity in the Anglosphere, particularly in the US with its distributed model of federal, state and local.
(To increase turnout? Mandatory voting on the Australian model, combined with proactive registration. And make election day a federal holiday.)
I honestly don’t know what RealID is. It may be a copyrighted biometric ID. I think a non-copyrighted biometric standard is OK, as long as privacy principels are observed. The government would be forbidden from sharing or selling their copy of your digital photo. This presumes that the courts would be willing to defend our rights which is not a given today.
Where in the world are you?
I live in Germany where I am registered as an alien at the citizen registration office. I registered with the office when I arrived, as required by law. I provided my name, address, and birthdate as well as a copy of my passport. I also showed the clerk my apartment rental contract or lease. She looked at it and returned it to me. My wife, a German, also registered. She is notified of upcoming elections, including instructions on voting procedures. When she goes to vote she brings her photo ID with her and shows it before voting. Voter turnout is usually in the 80’s. I have no fear that the government will use the information that I provided to the citizen registration office against me. I strongly believe that the information equips the government to make wise decisions for example about where to build new schools or provide new services.
tw3k: bmeisen’s talking about the model that’s common in continental Europe, where there’s address registration and (sometimes) a national ID card (e.g. Germany.) Like I said, it’s not a model that’s common in the Anglosphere — Britain, the US, Canada, Australia etc. — and it’s one that’s not as easy to graft onto those countries, though I generally don’t have any problems with how it’s used in those countries where it’s used.
In other bits of the Anglosphere, though, voter registration is handled very differently, with the emphasis on the authorities to get people registered and maintain the roll appropriately, checking eligibility with vital records etc. In Australia, the issue of turnout is handled with mandatory voting and weekend elections.
Like I said, the issue here isn’t plastic cards or pieces of paper: it’s trust in the system, and that extends back to the days of Jim Crow, when many African-Americans were simply disregarded by local registrars of vital records. There are many, many contemporaries of John McCain who lack the kind of paperwork that Missouri wants , simply because they were Born While Black in segregated states. There’s no coherent standard for birth certificates.
That it would be easier for Lillie Lewis to pay some kids at Kinko’s to run off something fake but official-looking than to obtain the kind of paperwork that Missouri might demand is a clear sign that the process is messed up.
Thanks for that background. I didn’t read the post and just kinda jump on bmeisen’s argument. I’m too used to the voter id thing being a veiled attempt to implement RealID.