So, Laura! Welcome!

So can I watch the show later from the video link uptop? How often will the show be and how where can I watch or at least get a transcript? Gotta go I’ll be back later.

Hey Laura — this sounds really great! Looking forward to it.

Letter sent!

Same! lol, i wonder how long my e-mail filter list is going to be by the time we a Dem into the White House.

What egregious said & Woo Hoo FDL!

We need to educate Americans, and especially Democrats (and apparently also young Democrats who make videos!) that the SuperDelegates — every single one of them — are elected. They may be an elected official, or they may be an elected party official, or (in rare cases) they may be formerly elected. But all of them have been elected.

By Americans, and Democrats, just like you and me.

This fiction that they are backroom hacks accountable to no one disserves our party. We should work hard to overcome it. It’s no coincidence that the major institution promoting the “undemocratic” nature of the Superdelegate system is the legacy Traditional Media.

In addition to making fun videos urging party leaders — and all of us! — to adopt a different system, I hope there will be some clear explanation of the system, so Americans understand it.

It’s not nearly as Kremlinesque as the media would have us all believe.

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Citizen Laura Flanders and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Let’s all jest hold on a minute and not be tempted ta throw the baby out with the bathwater before we ken give it a good scrubbin’!! I am over 60 years old and I can’t remember a Democratic primary that involved as many of the core constituencies of the party: the activists and professional organizers in the caucuses; the interest groups, minorities and new voter contituencies in the primaries; and ,finally, the elected officials at the state and local district level who know which candidate would be better for them down ticket. I think that this primary cluster-fuck turned out to give voice to a lotta folks and groups who had been taken for granted or triangulated out of the process in the past and then gave a “tie-breaker” to the party elected officials who hafta run with the winner.

Now I’m an old 60’s guy and I wouldn’t mind a good old fashioned brawl on the convention floor with anti-war folks in the streets outside the convention hall if that’s what was necessary to get everyone heard…however, I think that we got the best of all worlds this year and the early corporate money couldn’t buy the nomination before the people got a good look at the candidates.

So let’s not have anymore howls from the supporters of “she who should be forever nameless”…as a loyal but not stupid Democrat, my livingroom is open to all those who didn’t support Barak Obama but don’t you dare come in here and regurgitate sour grapes all over my carpet!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE’S NUTHIN MORE DANGEROUS THAN AN AMORAL POLITICIAN WHOSE LOST AN ELECTION!!

yeah, i still don’t that much about it. Dakine keeps saying it isn’t nearly as bad as the old smoke-filled room days.

ET posted this one, Hillary Heads to the Bunker, with a superdelgate theme that really struck me as funny.

teddy – i very rarely watch the MSM any more… and i think it’s unaccountable (or at least virtually so). you have a real tough sell on this one.

We the undersigned, do hereby urge you to fundamentally overhaul the superdelegate system. Or ditch it completely. You decide. Don’t let this meltdown happen again. You’re the “Democratic” Party for God’s sake. We’re watching and we vote.

I totally disagree with this and think the super delegate system will one day save our party

super delegates do not vote as a block, they vote according to the progressive positions they represent

for instance there are womens rights super delegates, native american super delegates, labor super delegates

there is no reason on the planet a democratic candidate shouldn’t have to win these delegates just as they have to win the states

the primaries are NOT popularity contests they are contests for us to pick the candidate that represents our platform

and what happenes if there becomes some kind of catastophe which makes our candidate unelectable?

what happens if pictures turn up with our candidate and a minor?

I’m sorry, the super delegate system is excellant and most people who disagree are usually listening to the corporate media making a big deal out of an asset as if it’s a liability

I LIKE THE SUPER DELEGATE SYSTEM

and what really needs to be done is inform the electorate how it really operates

they do NOT vote as a block “in a smoke filled room”, that is republican propaganda to devide our party

Norske, I realize that it is a small and trivial thing that I ask, but don’t you think it would be respectful for Senator Obama that you at least spell his name correctly?

It’s been my experience in a life almost as long as yours that most folks tend to get a bit irritated of someone continually is mis-spelling their name.

Those in the Obama camp who have been challenging the superdelegate system may get quieter as the vote count from the so-called supers grows, but that doesn’t make the superdelegate set up so super-democratic

laura – is it really fair to criticize folks in the obama camp for something they might do? i don’t think so.

What perris said.

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Citizen TeddySanFran:

Whatchu SAY citizen…whatchu SAY!!! Lord I wish I could collect my thoughts like you do…butcha know what…it’s kinda disappointing that some of us are ready ta snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. After all, this whole election thing isn’t about a candidate or personality or power-broker…this whole God damned process is about US and the issues that threaten ta extiguish hope in US and our families and our fellow citizens.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE GOD DAMNED AMMUNITION AND LET’S HAVE SOME CLASS FROM THE LOSER!!

our candidates signed on to our primary system, they knew about the super delegate system and they said nothing about it when they entered the race

the only candidate that can make a valid argument against the super delegate system is a candidate that mentions the issue before and as they enter the race

certainly not as they wait for the decision to down to super delegates

most people who disagree are usually listening to the corporate media

i wish you would make the case without telling me i’ve been brainwashed by a corporate media i don’t watch. it makes it hard to think clearly about your argument. thanks.

sorry selise, I respect you and how you arrive at your opinions, that is why I said “most”

whenever I speak with a democrat who thinks they don’t like the system, once I inform them they change their minds

this is because most people are uninformed

that obviously does not include you

help out a slow learner – when and how will this show air?? is it daily and where to find it?? dont laugh – i’m uncertain

and I apologize to everyone and anyone that understands the superdelegate system and still thinks it’s a bad idea

I know there are a few who think the candidate should be elected by popular vote period and hate the idea of some people comming in “to save the party from itself”

Hey … the show will be set up as a post here each night – this week on the FDL front page, next week on Laura’s GritTV page connected to FDL … and while you can watch as it broadcasts this evening, you can also come back to watch just like a youtube.

Enjoy!

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Citizen darkine01:

Be grateful that the spellin’ of Barak Obama’s name ( or my lack of “spellcheck”) is all that irritates you…I could really get in yer shorts and give ya a reason ta howl in feigned outrage or ya ken jest take a deep breath and get over it!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER YOU ARE JEST ONE OF US WHETHER YA WANNA BE OR NOT!!

cITIZEN DAKINE01….

My user name is Dakine01 not daRkine

And spell check would not catch your spelling error

The name of the candidate is Barack Obama.

And trust me, your spelling problems are generally the least of areas I find irritating.

i am uninformed. no way am i going to ignore what you have to say. just was irked at having to put aside the “corp media” thing, that is all.

please continue, would like to know more….. seriously.

The SD system was instutionalized by the reactionary elements of the Democratic Party following the McGovern sweep of the later primaries in 72, NJ, California, etc. The party hacks in 72 were unable to obtain seats on the floor of the 72 DNC in Miami and were deprived of the best parties, etc. In fairness to the history of the development of SDs it may be argues that SDs were never intended to be “deciders” but were intended to guarantee hacks visibility and fun. But then Mondale used the SDs to get himself the nomination along with Ferarro.

The SD system is undemocratic and unacceptable. All voting delates at the DNC should be elected in the primaries and caucuses. Obama has no choice this time around but I am hopeful that he, unlike the Clintons, will do what is necesary to return the Democratic Party to a fair and democratic nominating process.

if good spelling is a requirement for commenting here, then i’m in trouble too.

Good spelling is not a requirement by any means but I would think it would be showing respect for the candidate to spell his name correctly most of the time.

the super delegates are both elected and appointed

I don’t care much for the idea that some are appionted, would rather they were all elected

but what I wrote in my first post is really everything, there isn’t much more about the system except for logistics

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Citizen dakine01:

“Trust me, your spelling problems are generally the least of areas that I find irritating.”

Well Citizen dakine01, if I really gave a shit I might even ask ya what those “areas are” but since I don’t, I got a suggestion for ya – either stop readin what I write or, better still, learn that there are a lotta folks in this big tent here and they don’t all spell, speak or think like you do…so like I said “get over it” or put the beans back in your ears.

KEEP THE FAITH, YOU CAN’T CHOSE WHO’S IN THE FOXHOLE WITH YA!!

i would’ave been baned long ago ;)

Spelling can’t possibly be a requirement for speaking here. I mean, consider looseheadprop. Content, along with respect for the views of fellow commenters, is what counts.

The SD system is undemocratic and unacceptable.

this is your opinion

the super delegate system is not intended to be another presidential election

it’s intended to give us the candidate that represents our platform

I think it’s not only acceptable but absolutely crucial

how are they elected? how are they appointed?

seriously, i am ignorant here… just a fan of the people choosing, but have not thought this one through as i should. would love to know more of the details on how the process works and it’s history. thanks!

it’s intended to give us the candidate that represents our platform

how is the platform written?

(see, i told you i am ignorant of how all this works *g*)

They are elected by virtue of being in elected positions (Dem Senators, members of the House, Dem Governors, Former national office holders (Presidents Carter and Clinton, VPs Mondale and Gore), former Chairs of the Dem National Committee and the various state representatives to the DNC

Your “our” platform should be determined by elected voting delegates not by unelected voting delegates who you happen to agree with.

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Citizens selise, egregious and tw3k:

I hope that citizen dakine01’s silly irritations don’t subdue or in anyway intimidate your contributions to this forum. I think it’s good to see and hear responses like these because they expose so much more about the responder than the initial comments.

But remeber we need all the votes we ken get and from everyone we ken get ‘em from but don’t get chapped lips kissin’ any ass for ‘em!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS WON’T CARE IF THEY SPELL YER NAME WRONG!!

I still like the idea on one persno one vote and doing away with the electoral college.

if thats the case perris – why do we have primary races? i may not know all the reasons why we have the SDs…. i read your comments as to the reason but cant grasp that concept…

They are not elected in any sense. SDs are appointed by virtue of their status as office holders or former office holders or those currently in favor.

If you look at who supported the sd process in the inception it was the careerist Vietnam war hawks of the Democratic party who were in the process of being discredited for their selfish personal ambitions. The SD process was not born of good intentions.

hmmm… not a selling point with me. our congress isn’t exactly the most accountable bunch, imo. and certainly former office holders are not.

maybe state reps to the DNC? how are they chosen?

here ya go

some day we’re going to have to come up with a model for open source politics.

Citizen NorskeFlamethrower:

Glad to see you not using that Mc word. I like dakine01 and value all the varied voices here. :)

I see nothing wrong with re-evaluating the SD system for the 2012 election. We would have four years to examine and devise a more balanced system if Democrats so decide. I DO NOT, however, support any change in the current cycle. You do not change the rules at the end of the game. I, also, support Howard Dean on sticking to some type of penalty for MI and FL. If they are not punished in some way, it will give license to other states in the future to act with abandon.

GPL? Ah, but, yes, a model for Open Source Politics would be great.

Perris, I must say, I am quite surprised and a little appalled. It appears you don’t have much respect for one man, one vote. You say you think of that as a popularity contest. It sounds like you much prefer to put layer upon layer on one man, one vote and additional layers to use as if they were an obstacle course to get over in the run toward the electoral college.

Seems like the pragmatic approach to me.

but now we’re not getting norske’s true “voice” :(

Nothing can be done in the present cycle about the SD process. What can be done is marginalizing the Clintons. And they are doing that to themselves.

there is no written platform super delegates are decided among the democrats which issues should have super delegates

Ann,
One of the points is that the primaries and caucuses are not actually “one man, one vote” situations.

They are elections of individuals to perform as delegates to the various levels of Democratic Party conventions – generally from the State Senate District or Congressional District, then the State Convention then to the National Nominating Convention.

The Democratic Party is a quasi private organization (as is the Republican Party) who are allowed to use public resources in conducting the primary votes.

The best way to effect change is by being active at your local precinct level party meetings and moving from there.

true but since that strays from the topic i’ll leave it for another day.

In other words, something along the lines of TPMtv handled by veracifier? BTW, has everyone seen the pictures of Josh’s new baby boy yet? Sure is a sweet looking little thing. Even cuter than kitties!

fair enough. i just promised myself i wouldn’t be silent if the topic was ever raised.

thanks!

from what you had me just read, i still don’t like ‘em.

Well, as part of the pre-convention process, there will be a platform committee that will “write” the Democratic Party platform. It will most likely be dominated by Obama folks, just as they will most likely dominate the Rules Committee.

It is in the “Platform” that the basic core beliefs of the Democratic Party as it exists in 2008 will be laid out. For good or ill.

OK, what is a half delegate?

That’s right. Hillary signed up with full understanding of the rules. She’s been wanting to change the rules when and where they don’t suit her. Now there’s a threat of convention hijinx. Reminds me of Bush v Gore. Dubya’s team of Rethuglican hatchet men lead by Baker Botts refused to quit even though they lost. They found a way to “win”. Hillary is contemplating that playbook. Unlike Gore, Obama won’t tolerate it.

OT but stunning lack of sense of irony:

President Bush said Monday that an angry world should condemn the way Myanmar’s military rulers are handling the aftermath of a devastating cyclone.

Also, no grasp of the English language:

“Here they are with a major catastrophe on their hands, and (they) do not allow there to be the full kind of might of a compassionate world to help them,” Bush said.

WTF??!

seems like its back to the smoke-filled rooms again and the primary is just window dressing…. jus sayin

Did anyone tell Bush that the Myannmar thugs are on his and Chevron Condi’s side?

lol!

You know, might, like food bombs n stuff. heheheh.

He was for them before he was against them.

guess we’re in EUP land. wanna talk narrative and censorship?

he is sooooo out of the loop imo ….. just pathetic!!

i’m game, but only if you do…

i guess so. My take on the “Mc word” thing is; in this time of trying unify the intraparty divisions that that word is an act of dehumanizing the enemy when talking policy would be more constructive.

epu’d from another thread -

COOL – so, we get to watch Laura drink glass(es) of wine while contemplating eating egg salad sandwiches?

Cause when what’s-her-name did it, it was SUCH cutting edge Vlogging… yeah.

how is it dehumanizing to play word games with clinton’s name but not with mccain’s name?

and is censorship really unifying or it is the pretense of unity – achieved by excluding dissident voices? i think it’s the later.

Did you see Rachel Maddow slam dunk Pat PukeCannon? He wanted to slam Obama and Rachel threw him a buttefly ballot curveball. She is great.

It is the same thing except that Clinton is, supposedly, a democrat.

I agree that it is the latter, yet, at the same I am respectufl of the house rules that generally keep the discusion here civil.

furthermore, do you know who else uses it? howie klein (see here and here) – that blue america guy who’s wikipedia entry says the following:

Klein received a Spirit of Liberty Award in 1999 from People for the American Way for his anti-censorship efforts.[4] Klein was honored by the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California “Bill of Rights Award” for his activism in the area of free speech.

I am respectufl of the house rules that generally keep the discusion here civil.

but that’s just the point – it wasn’t house rules. since when haven’t politicians been fair game?

what it is, imo, is two things:

1) two sets of rules. different rules for different people. it’s ok for a front pager to personally attack a commenter but it’s not ok to make jokes about a politician that reflect a long time commenter’s politicial views? since when?

2) censorship is fundamentally anti-progressive. especially censorship that is hidden – at the very least, it should be xxx’ed or something. jeeze, even bushco does that.

I understand that and personally do not find the term offensive. That is Howie’s blog not Jane’s. In fact I think the term is apt. I was reacting, and I believe dakine was as well, to CHS’s and Jane request not use the term. It seems a simple request to respect when given an open platform to discuss why that term is a fitting description.

and on the issue of narrative, since you brought that up….

what’s the deal with putting narrative ahead of all else?

we’re supposed to cheer the dnc’s 100 year mcccain ad – and then ignore senator clinton’s 50 years?

but tw3k, it wasn’t a request – it was a demand for censorship (either self or imposed) that is inconsistent with the progressive values and community we’ve been told are the bedrock of this site.

… and even if you think that kind of censorship is ok (and i don’t) how can you justify the different sets of rules for different people?

i dunno, can only speak for myself but i see this particular request as unique because we are rolling out of a poo filled primary. Seems like a simple enough to abid by until Clinton goes back to being a Blue dog congress critter.

I actually have more of a problem with Feldman’s frameshop. I see it as classically liberal and an obstruction to the forward movement of progressive goals.

guess i didn’t get that memo ;)

Like I said, I think the term is fitting.

i see this particular request as unique because we are rolling out of a poo filled primary

you know, i’d have a lot more sympathy for that position if it wasn’t so one sided. we’ve had how many posts implying (or stating outright) that people who don’t like clinton are sexist? who the heck vetted paul lukasiak’s posts? who told him it was ok to flame commenters? have you read what he’s posted elsewhere about fdl? how is that acceptable but no the word i can’t use?

do you really think the thread where kiddo was sandbagged, scape-goated and hounded from the site wasn’t the absolute worst case of poo flinging?

I actually have more of a problem with Feldman’s frameshop. I see it as classically liberal and an obstruction to the forward movement of progressive goals.

haven’t thought about this one. can you explain further? i’m done ranting for awhile, would like to chill and read what you are thinking about.

i dunno. i essentially agree with you. I’m just sick of all the clinton/Obama crap and wanna just get on with it.

would like to chill and read what you are thinking about.

especially as i’ve been reading the docu on parallels (yes i just got a new imac!) and it looks like i’m not going to be able to use my neighbor’s copy of XP that he got with his DELL system.

… i know it’s a evil thing – to put windoze on a mac. but it’s just to run IE so i can trouble shoot the latest (and by far the worst) problem (IE bug).

i hear you on the o/c thing – probably because i’m not much of a fan of either and really don’t understand the emotional attachment / identification that so many dems seem to be caught up in.

lol! well, i avoided lukasiak’s thread like the plague. So sick of the primaires I didn’t want to near there.

The kiddo thread was ugly. There are a few juxposed comments in there that sums up my feelings well.
here and here

I mostly skipped over kiddo’s comments because it was just repetatve one liners about the DLC or Clinton. :o)

new iMac!?!?! Sweet :D

You might try tinyxp.

You can run IE on linux with wine. Maybe you could just install freedos on paralles and use that to run IE?

Sorry to be dense — uh . . . where’s the stream?

p :)

maybe you can modify the ie4linux script to run on some sort of dos.

The script just download ie, the cab files and sets environmental variables to run in wine.

not saying you should read anyone’s comments, but so long as they are following the rules…. why not just leave them alone?

and imo, the first of your linked comments is just about the most perfect example of scape goating i have ever seen. why kiddo should get dumped on – especially by the author of that comment – is just wrong. and it doesn’t take resorting to paul’s posts to show why.

the possibility of having a productive discussion on some issues, particularly matters of race and gender, is partially contingent on the context in which such a conversation occurs.

remember 18 months ago? the toobz remember even when we don’t (see here and here). that’s not even close to the pot calling the kettle black. personally, i’d rather just leave all this shit behind. people make mistakes, hopefully they learn from them.

and that is why i really don’t think this has anything to do with having a conversation about sexism or racism. if it did, christy wouldn’t have argued that wright should stfu, go home and be quiet. if it did, pach could have re-evaluated his own posts instead of scape goating kiddo. and if it did, paul wouldn’t have had 6 front page posts to make bullshit arguments.

to me, it looks far more like enforcing a particular narrative (*) than anything else i can come up with (would love to have alternative explanations). and that is why i find the censorship of norse so very, very disturbing.

* not saying it’s intentional – in fact, i’d be surprised (and very disappointed) if it was.

wow, that looks great! tw3k, have you once again pulled a magic rabbit out of a hat? can it run IE7 too?

parallels let’s me (i think) run linux:

Run Windows, Linux, and more side-by-side with Mac OS X on any Intel-powered Mac, without rebooting. With Parallels’ award-winning virtualization technology, you can run Mac OS X and Windows at the same time. You can even drag-and-drop files between desktops!

i dunno, that just gets into blogoshpere infighting. I have a hard enough time understanding the bigger picture. At this point ‘m sick of liberals as much as i am of conservatives. I need an alternative and until there is one I just want to support a strong progressive caucus.

That’d work! What kinda power does the new iMac have?

i’m a big picture kinda person – not saying i have any special insight, just that i want to understand and so spend time thinking about it – and i’ve been trying to think through why we find it so hard to build progressive infrastructure since about 2002, when i first got active in grass roots organizing. i know i’m still a newbie, but 6 years is a long time to think about one problem – unless you’re in grad school, i guess. *g*

but for me, the most important thing is defending the community – which doesn’t mean aligning myself with the PTB. it means standing in solidarity with the less powerful when i think they’re getting the shaft.

Here

it’s not actually one of the new ones (except to me). i waited for the new imacs to be released, and then got a previous model (refurbished) for a steep discount. it’s the 20-inch 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo imac with 4 GB ram from crucial. still awfully expensive, i’m hoping it will last me as long as my previous imac did (6+ years).

Ooops
Here

i’m checking out the parallels docu now…

Thank you very much, JugOPunch!

p :)

Why do you hate the Magic Man?

You need to shut up and do as we have been told. Pay no attention to the fact that now creditable analysis of the EC voting, where it to take place today, shows anything other than a McSame blowout against The Precious. Don’t think of what the MIghty Wurlizer will do with Wright, Rezko and Auchi…..

Never mind what Rove is doing….just get ready for the big, big, big partay on the 20th. Where you git to meet your New Boss…Same as the Old Boss….

Time will tell this tale but right now two words stick in my mind….

‘Dukakis’

and….

‘McGovern’…

Curse and abuse me all you want…bann me for speaking my mind…in Barry’s World that’s the most heinous sin of all…

To refuse to believe!

I stayed out of the sexism arguments because I saw it as partisan arguments about clinton. I don’t think the aguements helped to neutralize sexism and it only seemed to lead to division and hurt feelings. Liberalism comes in like a mighty hero to save the day against conservatism while progress stands by watching the two mighty beast fight.

I think that is part of the problem in building progressive infrastructure. Liberals and progressive share some common concerns but progress is held up liberals’ heavy baggage.

dang, nice! That should run linux well. try ubuntu :)

This is exactly how it all ‘went wrong at CheetoLand’ the frontpagers started turning out questionable material, using Bush Admin. numbers to analyze the cost of the war for example, and when taken to task on this responded with:

Profanity….

Ad Hominem attacks…

Threats of TRing….

Demands that I STFU!

Which at the time I thought was a very poor way of advancing the progressive ‘brand’. I have been rude, provocative and downright mean to folks myself but never….never from the position of front pager…which I do hold at my blog. If your are so insecure as to respond to criticism no matter of what form from the position of power the front page gives you…

You should not be blogging from there.

Keep in mind that Sinclair Lewis never said which side of the chamber he saw that figure ‘wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross…’ coming from. The Right or……

The Left.

Think for yourself, accept nothing of faith and above all…

‘Fight Back!’

Unfortunately, I’m just finding the previous one, Blip TV seems like a jumbled mess.

The current version of Parallels Desktop officially supports the following guest operating systems:

Microsoft® Windows:

Grit-tv is rescheduled for 7:00 pacific tonight. Sorry for the delay.

Still Digging

For those of us on the East Coast..bummer.

try ubuntu

it’s on the list!

… but to get back to one of my previous questions, will i be able to run IE7? the IEs 4 Linux link you gave me only mentions 6 (and earlier).

hmmmm… looks like this thread is going back on topic… don’t want to get in the way of that.

tw3k – once again you have been a big help (don’t know what i’d do without you and newtonusr). looks like i will have to read a bit before going further.

Should just be able to select the iso and boot it up with Parallels.

There is also qemu and virtualbox.

Parallels better be dam gud for 80 bucks!

Once you get ubuntu running in Parallels you just need to open a terminal ten run the following commands in the terminal.

sudo apt-get install wine
wget http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4…..est.tar.gz
tar zxvf ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
cd ies4linux-*
./ies4linux

ie4linux has ie7 too

Parallels better be dam gud for 80 bucks!

ah, but i didn’t spend 80$ on it (no fracking way!) – i bought as part of a special package deal (MacUpdate Promo Bundle) with a bunch of other stuff and for less than the list price for parallels alone.

bookmarked.

lol! ok then. I’ll call you when i need a negotiator :)

Thanks. I’ll stop digging. Blip TV needs to work on their interface. It gives too many random selections.

no negotiation involved *g* – just me being cheap and trying to make the $ go as far as i can. i consider myself damn lucky as it is, and even if i were to win the lottery (not bloody likely, as i don’t buy tickets), i think it’s a helpful practice. imo, our culture values things (especially the latest flashy consumer electronics things) way too much and i hate how that has affected my own unthinking assumptions.

thanks again tw3k. i’m going to leave this thread now… catch you in late nite or some other thread… looks like tomorrow’s project is linux!

went to get a cuppa green tea :)

have fun with linux and if you need any help e-mail.

it’s on http://grittv.blip.tv/#907326

Loop to the first. I kind of would like the last one. Rabble on.

I guess I’ll live with “Jewelry and Jesus”, Phil Donahue.

want can we do to make this at least partially accessible for folks on dial up and without cable tv?

i propose we think about liveblogging the next one – although it would mean all starting the videos at approximately the same time. how might that be organized?