There are at least two threads of conservative thought that inevitably foster hostility and disrespect for the rule of law – one from the corporate wing of the Republican party, and the other from the religious wing.
To corporate conservatives, the law is the ultimate form of regulation, which everybody knows stifles growth and efficiency and must be rolled back wherever possible. Just as they claim that regulations tie corporations’ hands and cripple the economy, so too do they claim that laws tie the government’s hands and cripple America’s security by making it harder to spy, detain and torture.
But to hardcore religious conservatives, the law is simply irrelevant, because America is a Christian nation, and the Bible is the true source of all American law. Consider Judge Roy Moore of Ten Commandments fame saying things like, "[Homosexuality is] abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature’s God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated," and "This is not a nation established on the principles of Buddha or Hinduism. Our faith is not Islam. What we follow is not the Koran but the Bible. This is a Christian nation."
And if Roy Moore seems too far out of the mainstream, we have Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney saying, "Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith upon which our Constitution rests," and Other Republican Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee saying, "I believe it’s a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards."
To the extent that the religious right views the Constitution as worthy of consideration, it is only as a poor approximation of God’s law, something that should be either perfected or ignored. It is admittedly hard to square the Bible (or at least the New Testament) with the GOP’s love of war, torture, and social darwinism, but as long as the Republicans take a hard line against science, abortion, and Teh Gay, the fundamentalists seem perfectly happy to forget about peace and compassion.
The Bush administration marshals the corporate argument every day to argue for tax cuts, telecom immunity, warrantless wiretapping, and waterboarding, and against any kind of oversight or transparency, and it invokes the religious argument with Bush’s conviction that he’s on a mission from God and answering to a "higher father." No matter what laws he breaks, he’s breaking them in service to God, so his crimes are all divinely justified. Oh, and there’s also that whole packing-the-DOJ-with-Regent-University-grads thing.
The good news is that after 7+ years of carnage, the American people are more than ready for a government that has a healthy respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. Hopefully they’ll deliver that message so loud and clear in November that even the most timorous Democrats can hear it.
(Thanks to Dave for his help with the religious right quotes)
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hi Eli xxxxxxxxoooooooooo
they are above the law,and their poopies smell like Chanel No 5,or Allure,when they drink champagne
ma?
dang, one too late for the comedy.
The one that gets me is the TheoCon delight in the death penalty. Seems a bit odd to me to rejoice in the government sending people to meet their maker in the name of one who was the recipient of the very same treatment (after being tortured, to boot).
Hiya, sadly.
Don’t forget the Divine Right of Kings or the Bush can change the his signing statements/law without telling anybody that he has changed them! Which means its only through Divine intervention that we stay out of jail.
Rule of Law cannot work in a Democracy if the Demos don’t know the damm rules.
I think of them as Old Testament conservatives. They love that part of the Bible, but when Jesus starts talking about Love Thy Neighbor and Blessed Are The Meek, they’re all like, “Bored now.”
The Old Testament is just better spectacle, ya know?
Clinton impeachment…”RULE of LAW”….rule of law..( civil case)…any Repuklican lawbreakin…..to protect us from the terra..istas
Well, they *are* the law & order party. They’re just very selective about who it applies to.
rather be jews…..hahahahahahha,till the rapture..then…not so much
Laws are for the little people
anybody mocha,or otherwise…not in the club
same with any taxes
Eli
With the religeous right. Cleanlynous is next to godliness. Since were the unwashed masses. Cleaning us out of money,hope, and personal rights is their way of carrying on the old testament.
I am very big on accountability vs. impunity being what separates democracy from dictatorship.
well put
They only hate that law which restricts the freedom to trade or limits property rights, anything limiting personal liberty or infringing upon individual rights is heartily endorsed by the majority of them. Unless of course, it involves a perceived slight to Christianity or firearms.
the Libby trial,is all one has to see,to know the state of Laws in this country
hows your MOM today?….mighty fine i hope
I have heard the odd contradiction explained here as patently obvious. Since Jesus let himself be killed, when he could have just jumped off that cross, we have to conclude that he certainly supported the death penalty.
Hey, Im just the messenger. This learned guy is both a Sunday School teacher and a State rep. in the same glorious state that gave you W, who of course also loves that death penalty.
anything limiting personal liberty or infringing upon individual rights is heartily endorsed by the majority of them.
…Even if it’s unconstitutional.
my family had 350 acres Oceanfront,where the Bushies like to fish…it was condemed,and taken from us…
If it’s good enough for Jesus…
That’s right ’cause he coulda’ gotten out of there.
Yeah, that was *totally* the message of the crucifixion.
For God so loved the death penalty, that he gave His only son…
A Pharisee and Pontius Pilate all rolled into one. How convenient.
And for the record: with an understanding of Good Friday like that, he would not be a Sunday School teacher in my parish.
Plus, there is more than a bit of hypocrisy in this-
~~Bush’s hypocrisy on stem cells and the death penalty.~~
http://www.slate.com/id/2119512/
Aloha, Eli! Happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers…! *g*
Alhoa, CTut!
Aloha, even…
Consider Judge Roy Moore of Ten Commandments fame saying things like, “[Homosexuality is] abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature’s God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated,” and “This is not a nation established on the principles of Buddha or Hinduism. Our faith is not Islam. What we follow is not the Koran but the Bible. This is a Christian nation.”
My Bold Laws of Nature then why did God create Gays or Evil for that matter.
In the philosophy of religion and theology, the problem of evil is the problem of reconciling the existence of evil or suffering in the world with the existence of God, a force for infinite good.[1] The problem is most often discussed in the context of the personal god of the Abrahamic religions, but is also relevant to polytheistic traditions involving many gods. A proposed solution to this dilemma is called a theodicy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
When confronted with the Problem of Evil Preachers cry Faith but when confronted on Gays they say ban them.
But if you want to ban something show please show the harm to society caused first before you ban.
The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right… The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principle
Amen.
And Eli- great post- gets right to the heart of the matter. (oh, and good quotes!)
Hmmm, I realize you are speaking of the “bigger” rights, as they refer to us as a nation, ie. spying, torture, etc. However, I was raised in a very christian household and I remember countless times being told I couldn’t do something (like smoke pot) because it “was against the law.” So it’s an interesting conundrum: they use the law to keep people in line, but yes, it seems they also believe the bible supersedes the Constitution.
I must also add that my parents saw the light in 04 and did the unthinkable (voted Dem), and now they are both for Obama.
Bet you got “Fair Market Value” too…
Peterr, couldn’t agree more. Besides the hypocrisy of the death penalty, there also is that elephant in the room called Teh War in Iraq. I’ve stopped a few conservatives cold in the past few years bringing up the Beatitudes.
they paid what my grandad paid 30 years before….
The law is perfectly okay when it is in agreement with the teachings of the Bible – or, perhaps more to the point, when it is in agreement with the religious right’s *interpretation* of the Bible.
and laws are for DEms only
Source: Fossella To Seek Re-Election
NY1 – 7 hours ago
Despite calls for him to resign, it seems embattled Congressman Vito Fossella will be fighting to keep his seat on Capitol Hill in November.
Sadlyyes@23,
They stole from me also.
The Christian Conservatives have given Hypocrisy a bad name…! ;-)
Straussians believe that religion & laws keep the little people in line.
i go look at it every so often to make sure it doesnt get developed
Eli- you use the word entitlement. Yep. I would also say extreme arrogance. Dubya- I’ll do what’s best for the American people, whether they like it or not.
Do they believe in keeping the big shots in line, or that they should have a free hand to do whatever they want because They Know Best?
(Why is it that I think I already know the answer?)
it goes further,becuase we are INCAPABLE of fending for ourselves
Yah – one of them is “I can do what I want because I know best”, and the other is “I can do what I want because I’m important/my Daddy’s important.”
Dubya has hit the trifecta.
Heh, another edition of simple answers to simple questions…! ;-)
Maybe the GOP has different levels of law for the common people their is God’s law straight from the Bible.
But for the Bushy Elite there is lazzie faire or hands off Corporations! Unless they hurt someone important. Or a Corporation instead of needing hands off needs a hand up (Corporate Welfare).
Corporate Law trumps God’s law though everytime.
LOL!
Sounds like a post?
this seems correcto
Those are the NeoCons right?
The Straussian ubermensch knows what’s good for everyone. Strauss was an affionado of Plato’s philosopher king, so he was above reproach (and above the law). But the hoi polloi needs to be kept in line via religion, laws, fear, whatever it takes to get us to follow the one who knows all.
Neocons are Straussians.
Which makes it all the more striking that the Republican party had its origin in a drive to completely eliminate an entire class of economically very important property rights. And further, to do so on moral grounds.
Not the party of Lincoln. Not any more.
Corporate Law trumps God’s law though everytime.
True. Otherwise TV & cable programming would be a lot tamer, and there’d be no dirty movies on hotel TVs.
we got a condemnation lawyer who told us it would take 15 years or so,and couldnt guarantee anything,my dad suffered poor health…but if anything is ever built their by private enterprise,ill raiswe a big RUMPUSS
My bet for McCain’s running mate is someone acceptable to the TheoCons — if not a TheoCon himself. (And this means, of course, that it will be a himself, not a herself.) Huckabee and Brownback are at the top of my WAG list of choices.
If McCain goes this route, posts like this will be much more necessary.
Thanks, Eli!
The rule of Gall.
If you can find it, check out a book called The Overseer, by Jonathan Rabb. It’s kinda spooky. I posted about it at my place a few times.
http://multi-medium.net/2005/0…..e-overseer
http://multi-medium.net/2005/06/03/more-overseer
http://multi-medium.net/2005/0…..er-wrap-up
Yep, see my 55 which ccrossed with your 54. I am reading They Knew They Were Right, a revelaing book on the neocons authored by someone who admits to being one in his youth. The sections on how Strauss presented himself, and how they thought about him, are priceless.
Neocons are Straussians.
—————–
Both a few sammwichs short of a picnic,would not want to get in a lifeboat with ANY of the above
They may hold power and be wealthy but given their success in war and the economy I know that they are not Elite Philosopher Kings:)
Huck & ‘Back are *ginormous* targets. Dave N. can probably hit them more effectively than I can, but I’ll be more than happy to get some swings in.
some of the scorn for the Law ascribed to Republicans can be attributed simply to the fact that they come from positions of heriditary privilege, or in rare cases, have recently scratched and theived their way there.
what is ‘prive-lege’ etymologically?
prive = private
lege = law.
they have a private law, a code for the elite, seperate from the code for the proles.
however, it requires some strenuous self-delusion to maintain that elite factions of the Democratic party are any different in their allegience to elite law, and their disdain for the concerns of the rest of us.
so, they are not “timorous Democrats” when they vote for the Kyl-Leiberman act, 97-0, or pass Patriot Acts I and II (Obama, D-Ill = AYE) or pass NAFTA with (D) Congress and (D) White House, and enable media consolidation and repeal the Taft-Hartley Act, etc, they are just being themselves
So the Bush Family did this then write about it sometime at the Late Late Night threads where anything goes.
I find it ironic that the Pentagon/Military has someone like Robert McCain standing up for them & KBR/Halliburton when it comes to the gang raping of a female employee, oh, but when the following Admiral gets caught cheating on his wife, holy crap! They go out of their way to go after him for this crime!
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/n…..0409990001
Why is cheating bad to the right wingers but gang raping isn’t?
Many exposed the folly of philosopher king idea long before Strauss. The author of the book, Jacob Heilbrunn, decribes Strauss as premodern. I’d describe him as antidiluvian.
what is ‘prive-lege’ etymologically?
prive = private
lege = law.
they have a private law, a code for the elite, seperate from the code for the proles.
——————
yup their grotesque lawyers apply the law,for the sake of the elite few
Cause the Rev Moon is a freak?
I guess gang raping doesn’t break the sacred covenant of marriage.
Or something…
eCAHN- thanks for adding all of the info- helps complete the trifecta (Eli)- Dubya had the Neocons whispering in his ear (or where ever). Remember the part about Dubya being an empty vessel?
Make that antEdiluvian.
Ugh. Worked outside for 9 hours today. Too tired to think straight but couldn’t resist a few comments related to one of the books I’m reading.
im not sure,exactly who,some DEm politician i believe is involved also…the property abutting our land goes for 1/2 million dollars for quarter acre lots
It’s a fine line between timorous and complicit (from the outside looking in, anyway), and I often think that the latter is masquerading as the former.
McSame said it iirc
our land past tense…sigh
now i need chocolate
The so-called Christians I know start stumbling and bumbling when I bring up the Beatitudes. It’s as if they’ve never heard of the 4 gospels. But, oh, can they quote all the old prophets from the Old Testament. That’s when I always want to ask them, “Are you Jewish or Christian?” I don’t, though.
antwho…..they make the rules…they sure DONT PLAY by them
funny their pastors are PRO WAR,or at least dont DENOUNCE it
Here’s the danged deal.
The BIBLE says that ya shouldn’t kill or steal- and so does the law of america- but the Bible said it first. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc…one of the clearest examples of a logical fallacy available to us today.
STUPID!!
I don’t doubt that, but I read the comment 4+ years ago from another Neocon- Norquist, maybe? Or one of the PNAC gang.
Well present the facts as best you are able when your are ready.
Fire and brimstone, slay the non-believers! Bunch of hypocrites.
me kitties dont get the “rias” cause i put the heavy cream in brown rice which i mix with their kibble…for poifect …”tootsie rolls…”G”
If the bible hadn’t said so- Americans would NEVER have come up with the idea that Murder was not a good social policy.
Something about cats and mother’s day?
yea McSame called him DUMB AS A STUMP…i stand corrected…”g”
That’s why murder is legal in all non-Christian countries.
True fact.
Sadlyyes
My loss is not financially as large as yours in actual dollars. It was my livelyhood though.
it really makes my blood pressure boil,but as i say…no person,or corp,better ever build on it
Old Testament Prophets? That’s pretty obscure stuff- like Jerimiah? Are you sure they can quote those guys?
That’s pretty slick. Think I’ll go make a cup of coffee. Treat time for everbody. Don’t get started on this; we’ll get run out of town.
well that sux!
hahahahahahahahha
Awww… Eli, that’s not true, I know it’s illegal in Korea and Japan… Nice Try…! 8-P
as you know 4 leggeds are ALWAYS my preferance….humans ..not so much
Eminent domain is a HUGE issue in my vicinity of New Jersey (Long Branch). They have been confiscating people’s homes to build million dollar condos & retail development along the waterfront.
Samurai code?
Oh yes, gang raping is a fun pastime for the right wingers, but cheating on the wife is a sign of devil possession.
Or something. ;-)
And yes, ThingsComeUndone, the Moony is a Loony!
that is just WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
They must’ve got it from some missionaries or something.
sadlyyes,
Thx for overlooking my spelling. Itz only slitely worze then mi tipeng. :)
Laws of property should be sacrosanct
Heh, nice try…!
But “legal” in NJ if you can show that the area is “blighted” or “in need of redevelopment”.
OT- but Eli, do you have a kitty?
They quote all the stuff Hagee and that ilk spout. They know chapter and verse but damned if I can get to them to explain it in context. I had one female fundie come up to me at our weekly peace vigil and say that Jesus would call for the bombing of Irak, using the Old Testament as justification. Said she read the Bible every day. When I mentioned the Old Testament is also known as the Hebrew Bible her head exploded. Her husband had to cool her jets she was so furious. When a pastor with us verified my statement I thought she was going to go home and come back with an assault rifle. She was really angry. Not the brightest star in the universe.
shhhhhhh,thats why i didnt post to Sen.Reid when he was here,cause typing spelling and sentence structiure are not my forte…obviously…opinions i have many of”g”
I would be satisfied if human rights were sacrosanct.
Alas, no. Why do you ask?
Hagee’s mostly into Revelations I think- the book Luther called the most unchristian book of the Bible.
Man, I can’t believe Wakefield is still pitching for the BoSox, it’s always a knuckle-biter when he’s on the mound…!
their definition of blighted of course..so pf course having a LIVING WAGE …make s NO sense/
Outlawed in the 1870’s.
true
when the whities came
“This was the guilt of your sister [city] Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.”
– the prophet Ezekiel, to the religious and political leaders in Jerusalem, 6th century BCE. (16:49, NRSV)
Sounds very libertarian to me.
Under the Meiji Restoration era…!
It always blows my mind just how little regard they have for the New Testament. The one that puts the “Christ” into “Christian”.
man it has been storming like HELL here…40 mph gusts of wind…glad the gardener was here YESTERDAY to clean up the lawn
So it wasn’t cause they were havin anal sex?
Conservatives might lack empathy with the poor because they look at the poor and think that they choose to be poor. More than that many Conservatives have to make choices to be rich Horrible Choices.
G.W for example was engaged to another girl before Laura but his Parents made him give her up because of some Jewish connection. By made him give her up what do you want to bet withholding money was involved?
Notice that after that Bush goes hardcore into the drinking and stays that way for years even after getting married.
What do you want to bet the Bush Family trust is set up so you get fully vested after marriage or maybe after you produce an heir?
I can haz knuckle ballerz?
Well, for some reason I thought you did. Every so often someone here tips their hand as to being a cat person. I just thought it would be fun some time to have a Late Nite kitty blogging post (Late Nite where off topic is on topic). I mistakenly thought you might be up to the challenge. ;)
I grew up in one of those churches and most sermons came out of the new testament- not the old…
Paul’s letter to the Romans was always a favorite.
Gardeners need work too.
You probably don’t want to bring up the prophet Isaiah, who proclaimed that God used Cyrus, the king of Persia (now known as Iraq) to defeat the Chosen People because of their pride and arrogance.
Or if you do, make sure that the paramedics are standing by.
some kinda english primogeniture bullkakcky
I’m definitely a cat person, I just don’t happen to have one. I do post vicarious catblogging every Friday at my place, tho.
sadlyyes
Sen. Reid is hopefully a better man then I’m currently thinking he is. He was a guest on Al Frankin’s Air America show a few years back. Al asked him “How he could vote for our current (Bankruptcy Law) and Sen. Reid had the NERVE to say it was good for all americans.
I have a few choice words on the subject of those two TheoCons, just begging for an opportunity to be released.
Minor correction, Rev., Persia is predominately Iran, not Iraq…! ;-)
Ugh. Reid is worthless. He’s not even much of a Democrat, much less Democratic majority leader.
Actually that particular section I’d reserve for a chance meeting with Alan Dershowitz.
poor guy is about 75 ,i bought him a straw cowboy hat,to keep the sun off him…he is an old texan who works for Lowes…i made the mistake of paying him by the hour…v e r y slllllllllllllllllllllow …but i likes him,and the wife is in a wheel chair and goes to Dialysis 3 days a week…so i have a new UNFUURY rescue
DITTO…. tone deaf and clueless
we can attack their brand during the election with that very slogan
“why do the republicans hate the law”
and then BING
we hit them with ALL their lawless behavior and PUNISH their brand
“why do republicans hate the constitution”
“why do republicans hate concervatives”
“why do republicans hate tax cuts for the middle class”
“why do republicans give middle class assets to their wealthy contributers”
bada BING
Yes but it might still be legal.
IIRC that’s the kind of behaviour spoken to in the first 4 gospels of the New Testament. What would the fundies think of such compassionate behaviour?
God made everything twice
Then Eve made Adam eat the apple
Then Cain killed Able
Then there was a ton of begatting
Then Moses parted the red sea and led the Israelites outta Egypt and wandered around until he got the ten commandments..which he broke in a fit of Pique…after seein God’s backside.
Then the walls came tumblin down.
Then David killed the giant.
Then the God let people kick the shit out of Israel/Judea cause they wouldn’t quit bein disobediant- worshippin in the damned high places an all.
Then there were a lot of pissed of prophets detailing all the shit the Jews were doin wrong.
Then Jesus came.
That’s bout it fer the old testament where I learned it.
Not the “first 4″, there are only 4. Dumbass.
Ah, so that’s were I got the idea! I do remember now that I read a few of those, but got distracted and it slipped my ball bearings. I do think there needs to be a Late Nite kitty blogging blowout occasionally at FDL. imho. Hint hint… ES?
Well somewhere in there was Daniel in the Lions den and the fiery furnace and some other really cool shit!
who knows,im not wealthy anymore(another long story”g”)…but i do the little i can,mostly for the furry types though
Hagee–behold a pale whale.
-G
I’m perfectly happy to do Late Nite Other-People’s-Kitty-Blogging, if needed.
I also have a video that might be suitable…
That’s funny—-on several levels.
“why do republicans hate our armed forces”
“why do republicans ignore national threats”
“why do republicans hate science”
“why do republicans hate religous freedom”
“why do republicans hate democracy”
“why do republicans love to hire judges that give our rights to corporations?
man, we can go on forever and I think all these questions compiled with a collage of proof would make an incredible add campaign
it prolly is…they have such fancy lawyers
Scooter Libby and Yoo come to mind…..real pieces of work
The Persian Empire at the time stretched from modern day Turkey through Iraq, Iran, and into Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Any way you cut it, though, it sure wasn’t known to be a friend of the children of Abraham.
Damn, that’s past my bedtime.
707…ya always do it
POS…imo
the only people who believe that are those that believe the propaganda
those at the highest level know as a fact the engine that drives our economy is the middle class, they know that the wealthy get wealthy because of a productive middle class
but they also know that they can steal middle class assets if they act like only lazy people are poor
You are leaving the extremely topical
Why do Republicans hate Motherhood?
These gooper preachers EAT well….
Saw Falwell on teevee once wanting to make a bet with someone for a “thick, juicy, tender, rare, steak, with baked potatoes with all the trimmings- pounds of good rich butter—-”
Thought he was gonna make a mess in his pants while describing it.
nice
I think fdl can sponser an add like move on did, we can compile all these questions with the collage of the facts
those that contribute will be principles in the add
BRILLIANT!
sign me on
HEARD a great one
they call us tax and spend Democrats
we should call them
BORROW,aND SPEND…and STEAL repubs
I i NEED chocolate soon
“why do republicans hate the working men and women?”
“why do republicans hate the air our children are going to breath and the water they are going to drink?”
“why do republicans hate our privacy?”
“why do republicans hire judges who award our rights to corporations?”
man, there will be a question for whoever contributes to the add, we can hire the same people that do greenwalds add to do the work
I want in
Well, hopefully someone behind the scenes is reading! You put it in writing! I would love that, but certainly can’t do anything to make it happen.. a loud public endorsement is the best I can do. And, if it happens, Busted certainly needs to be given advance warning. He is one of the mainstay kitty people at FDL.
Sorry I’m late to the thread.
I don’t think Republicans hate the law. I think they think they ARE the law. The stuff on paper is meaningless. They are the power and the embodiment of law: anything they do is therefore legal.
Sadly, Congress appears to accept that view.
Let’s hope that in November, the voters disagree with it.
I am down for 200 bucks if fdl puts together that ad
Where’s the REPO Congressmen?
True, through their conquests it even extended into India and parts of Greece, but, the Persians are native to modern day Iran…
i think his cause of death was …intestinal EXPLOSION
oh please me too
I bet after it’s produced we can get any number of organizations to run it, youtube of course, all the blogs, and I think it will go viral since it will be the bloggers that are in the add
What was the word that the former Attorney General used to describe the stuff on paper?
Oh yes . . . “quaint.”
Hi rw- imho you’re the resident cynic at FDL, but/ and I gotta say you totally crack me up at times.
Remember face lifted, jet black hair dyed asswipe, Tom Delay:
“I am the federal government!”
Fracking putz.
-G
Eli,
I’m sure there are things behind the “so called scene” we don’t know. That said, we need a much stronger voice against the powers who keep their feet on our throats, and in a MUCHmore effective strategy so it happens far less/ if at all in the future.
Herodotus, “The Persian Wars”
Still a great read.
Yep, to which I reply, see Marjorie Cohn and the concept of jus cogens.
Here ya go — some of the See’s molasses chips I received for Mother’s day.
Dark and light, your choice.
Historiography 301
“why do republicans want everyone else to fight and die in the wars they wouldn’t promote if their family had to fight in it?
that one needs better composition but that’s a good one
My ex was a Sees-aholic. I haven’t had any since leaving CA.
Powerful people going to jail for breaking the law would be a big help. As long as Republicans know they can break the law with no consequences, they’ll keep doing it.
What does the Bible sahy about gluttony?
Poor Jerry Falwell, said in an interview with Christiane Amanpour not long before his death that he had asked God for ‘just 20 more years to finish his work’.
Guess the Good Lord gave him an answer….
-G
address of x please, you can email that to me
oh thank you very much i love mollassas,though i cant spell it…”g”
Heh, heh. Just now got around to the video. Great choice, Eli. Let’s hope the law wins again soon.
Yeah- he was workin on another 100 pounds.
I don’t care for Mole Asses—Poor blind little bastards!
Are you left handed? I am and can’t spell shet. I am sure it has something to do with the brain issue.
I am having a bet with my sister to get back to fighting weight in 6 weeks
I am doing great and lost 15 pounds already
“why do republicans make us fat?”
well, that one probably shouldn’t go in our add
He he, I must confess, I had to look at the box.
I am left handed and as everyone knows, I have attrocious spelting
Who ya gonna fight?
There is a difference between Warren Buffet and George Soros wealthy people who made their cash during their lives they vote Dem and GOPers who inherit wealth.
I think the threat of taking money away is the only way some GOPers can control their kids.
But just because something works does not make it right. By forcing Bush to give up his first choice to marry his parents probably pushed him over the edge with drink and drugs.
This led to resentment of people who were happy and poor. Bush and his fellow GOPers wonder if they made the right choice?
You are so right. It’s akin to the divine right of kings.
hahahahaha
and i love molaaes cookies too
and this is my HARRY
http://bp1.blogger.com/_GgwpUi…..cowkat.jpg
hillary for the vp spot
Molasses on silver dollar pancakes.
Has anyone seen McCain’s bearings today?
no,words just look weird on the screeen …like befor..before?
what pushed george over the ledge was his failure to process information (this is a kind method of saying he is a moron)
Gorgeous tiger.
They are being fondled by Brian Williams.
-G
I hates molasses to pieces.
Eli
I know the tide is slowly turning. That’s why I’m a faithful FDL diciple.
perris is off to bed
have good night all
I hope so. We need to keep replacing Republicans and Blue Dogs with strong progressives.
Night Perris
Do you have any link on that story about George’s earlier engagement? I’ve never heard it. I do have a copy of the Kitty Kelly book about the family but I didn’t get to that part.
CAUSE I LOVES YALL TO PEACES
http://www.recipezaar.com/63981
the cookies
night perris
It was right before he threated to kick the shit out of his father and right after he got a DUI for runnin his car into a ditch.
I like growing Sorghum.. Doves love it, will darken the sky in numbers around harvest time.
its on the internets see if i can find it
What face!
Okay here my story and it’s actually on topic.
One time I was at church for the early service and there was a youngish woman there who was in real trouble. Homeless. Her boyfriend had just got put back in jail. Had horrible story to tell about staying with some guys the night before. So, I took her into the church office and talked to her and then called a women’s shelter and made arrangements for her to stay there that night. She was strong out on something — my guess was heroin, ’cause she kept nodding off. Well, the pastor was getting real itchy and finally told me that I needed to get her outta there ’cause it was getting close to the next service and “people” would start coming. I gave her some money and drove her to the shelter.
Some other shit has gone down since then and I have left that church.
One of the things I love about FDL is that commenters know how to use language at its most subtle, witty and wacky.
For anyone who needs a laugh, go read the thread on Eli’s post There is not enough brain bleach in all the world
http://firedoglake.com/2008/05…..the-world/
That sounds like a typical weekend. You’ll have to be more specific.
Eli,
Time is on are side. Still, the day to day can feel like forever.
But Karen Hughes was proud to point out that G.W. Shitheel was such a responsible drunk driver because he was driving too slow.
I heard Ben Wattenburg repeat that too as a point of pride on Bush’s character.
Nucking futs.
-G
14 lbs of love,found him at a dump,brought him chopped liver for a week,he then CLIMBED a 9 ft chain linked fence and jumped in my car”g” Harry
edit: know how to use language at its most subtle, witty, wacky and wicked
I guess it was ‘cuz he didn’t have a sick daughter to get to the hospital…
Yeah that was a good one- I was there as it turns out.
Drugs and Drink did not help, nor does a lack of empathy help him to process information. But he does process information he acts like a bully and manipulates fear to get what he wants so he isn’t dead to emotional information.
He is only aware of his wants though and how to get them, his fears he projects onto other people he assumes they would do what he would do in their position. Human nature GOPers believe is evil and needs laws and religion to keep us in line.
The ironic part is that GOP nature needs laws and religion to keep it in line Bush even needs a regulated schedule to keep him focused otherwise he might choke on a pretzel/start drinking again.
The idea that people might want to be good without threat or reward is alien to them.
sad and all to common…{{{{{hugs}}}}}
That was fun.
Sorry for my poor typing. The splint is still on the finger and that was a longish comment for my 9 working fingers.
Which is why they keep insisting that only people of faith can be moral. Because people are only good if they’re afraid of going to Hell.
Read the Kitty Kelly book thats where I got the information. Google seems to full of Jenna’s engagement marriage news.
Gooper maxim
Nothin improves immoral behavior like witnesses.
got it
http://www.houstonpress.com/19…..n-t-marry/
I’m still laughing, too. Most fun I’ve had in a long time.
re 232
Great story. We really don’t choose adult cats, or even young ones. They choose us. And if not treated in a fashion that becomes their elevated status in the world we hear about it.
We’ve been church shopping for the last month. Found one we liked a lot this morning. Black, female pastor. Racially diverse congregation. Lots of energy. I think we’ll go again.
rw- yes I know whole thing was hilarious!
Did McCain ever get his Berings Straight, btw?
Then they have read the Old Testement but not the New. How can you claim faith in God but not your fellow man?
Thank you!
Gag me with a spoon.
he is a main coon doc thinks cause the sounds he makes,and he is now all 14 lbs on my right hand and shoulder
Did someone mention cat blogging?
I think he told Lieberman to zip it..
no problem
By the way. wah wah wah. Lets now get back to work.
You have a digital lisp.
-G
That’s illegal in THIS state…very cruel
707
I would add libertarians to the religious and corporatist factions. And what these groups have in common is a distrust of law in preference to authority. Of course, they each prefer a different authority, but they can all agree that the rule of law interposes an alternative to their preferred authority.
And the Bush’s themselves represent a fourth special case, a class-based group that draws its authority not from corporate, religious or personal roots but from themselves. Let’s call this group monarchists.
Asked about the pairing of Bush and Wolfman, Hazelhurst explained, “They were very good friends….” At that point, his wife broke into the line, chiding, “Roy, Roy.” After she ascertained that the caller was a reporter, she ended the conversation: “I’m sorry, we cannot answer any of your questions.”
http://www.houstonpress.com/19…..n-t-marry/
Thanks SadlyYes @232 Its never good for Bush when people he is close to don’t answer questions.
There’s also the neocons, who believe that it’s necessary to stamp out democracy at home to spread it abroad. Or fail to…
Yangster da gangsta (moll)
Yang
JW- looks like eli’s gone here, but he really did kick off a classic thread! Pure delight. It’s destined to become part of FDL lore. Just wait til some new commenter, down the line, asks “what are all these jokes about ball bearings?” or says “I don’t think balls are an appropriate topic for this thread”. (grin- OLD FDL joke)
Yeth. I thuppothe I do.
AirportCat!!! Now we know what it takes to get you to delurk! Hello!
In Robert Newman’s “A History of Oil” he does a whole bit on “Bringing Democracy to the Middle East.” Great 40 min video. Combines facts with humour.
707
Is she the one with the eye problems?
Sure is a cutie.
Uh oh, the Cat People are gathering their forces.
Yep, it has taken me quite a while to catch up on a lot of the lore. I guess I’ve been around for just under a year. I finally had to Google EPU to figure that one out.
oh my!
Dat’s da one.
lol
I’m not here often enough to know..what does “707″ mean?
shes a doll
Falling-on-the-floor upside-down LOL.
Thanks. I’m kinda fond of her myself. Got her at 8 weeks from Animal Control. I was looking for a lost tiger, Isis, when I saw her. Went back the next day and brought her home. Two years later found out a neighbor had killed Isis. That’s another story.
I can haz nu iMac !!!1! Old cmpootr ded.
Thanks. As you know, I spend a lot of time at that other blog.
shes just beauuuuuuuuuutiful
and heres Baz,another cat fancier
http://bp3.blogger.com/_GgwpUi…..85bazz.jpg
i thought i recognized your handle
I love shaggy lookin’ pups.
kittehs can haz nu ki bord!
thats the name of my new website, ill previre it here
iz vry smal kibord, but kittehs can haz iKitteh vids 2!!
What, “Shaggy Lookin’ Pups?”
LOL! AirportCat- I gotta run now. But, it’s great to see you. Thanks for saying hello! All the best.
How to frame the campaign? A few good items are listed in earlier comments.
I think the best approach is to hit with slogans one at a time. Let the
voters handle one piece of their criminality, injustice, tyranny, whatever
issue we pursue for that time period. If we hit all at once, it will
lessen the impact. One or two items a week to be digested slowly. No
overload. The Republicans won’t be able to cope (let us pray!).
That would be my approach anyhow.
While I commend you on bringing up the religious right’s hatred of the law, and believe you to be partly right with respect to the Constitution merely being a poor approximation to G_d’s law, you have overlooked some serious causes of Fundamentalist/Evangelical antipathy to law.
As I have pointed out on another blog under another name, American Fundamentalism is deeply grounded in personalism, which presupposes an obedience to a chain of persons. To the American Fundamentalist, he obeys the law not because it is the law, but because the law has been laid down by those with authority. Those who have lesser status have no right either to contest that law or to question those in authority who transgress it. The objectivity and unyielding nature of Torah, presumably one of the thorns in the flash of St. Paul, is often seen as having been transcended by that chain of authority that reaches from G_d through civil government, community leaders, law enforcement and the family. It is of no small account that Fundamentalist/Evamgelical education focuses on the passage where it is said of Jesus, “For He did not do as the Pharisees do, always arguing and citing authorities, but spoke with authority himself.” While I don’t want to get into a theological debate here over whether Jesus DID see himself as abolishing Torah (or as Christian translations almost universally put it, “the law”), it IS fair to say that American Protestantism, even non-Fundamentalist strains, go out of their way to stress that Jesus set himself above that law in a category by himself in his own disputes with the Pharisees (1962: Oxford Annotated Bible, Revised Standard Version, pp.1184-1185, notes to Matthew 11).
This Protestant version of the Great Chain of Being alluded to above is similarly evidenced in Fundamentalism’s treatment of Old Testament figures. The declining years of David are hardly marked with honor. Curiously, Kings passes over some of David’s most disgraceful conduct without comment, leaving it to the reader to come to an assessment of whether, at the end of his days, the King was actually “good.” But an itemization of that conduct would read as follows, shortly summarized: 1.) Betrayal and exploitation of employees, seizing credit for himself where not deserved (David claiming rights as a “Great King” while himself not participating in battle); 2.) his clearly duplicitous conduct toward Uriah the Hittite (”See you to your wife” is hardly a friendly warning or solicitousness for Uriah’s marriage coming from his lips); 3.) His murder through administration at one remove of Uriah; 4.) His adultery with, and usurpation of, Uriah’s wife, Bathsheba; 5.) His indulgence of his son Amnon and refusal to punish Amnon despite certainly available and probably conveyed knowledge of Tamar’s rape by Amnon being known to him; and 6.) His favoritism of Absalom, who murdered Amnon out of revenge for Tamar’s rape. Of these, American Fundamentalism focuses only on 4.); while each of these acts is grist for Talmudic discussion in Judaism, they are not discussed as sins at all within American Fundamentalism.
Likewise, the tale of the Fields of Naboth are unmentioned in any Fundamentalist Sunday School. For those unfamiliar with the story, Ahab, a post-Davidic King of Israel and his wife, a foreigner who worshipped idols, wanted a certain plot of land with little value but a great view. Its owner, Naboth, refused to sell it on grounds that it had been an inheritance from his family and as such he would not give it up. Ahab’s wife retained men who brought false charges against Naboth, Naboth was executed for the charges, and the King and Queen seized the property. Later, Ahab dies and the Queen, having remarried, is overthrown, killed, and tossed of the battlements and eaten by dogs. In Judaism, this is seen as a fate appropriate to the Mosaic commandment that stipulates that conspiracy to commit perjury in a capital case bears the sentence of death. However, the only thing known to the American Fundamentalist is the name of Ahab’s wife: Jezebel. Though the original Jezebel was never charged as an adulteress, Paul certainly calls at least one woman priest a Jezebel by conducting heterodox services. From there, Christianity in general and American Fundamentalism in particular proceeded to sexualize the meaning of the name so that it is now universally understood as “harlot.” Jezebel is evil in American Fundamentalism because she worshipped false gods or was (whether rightly or wrongly) a harlot; that she abused her authority is not really thinkable.
Just as the Fundamentalist sees any limitation of authority (and what else is a law that specifies rights?) as denial of that authority, just as the lesser have no rights at all in favor of the greater, so wrongdoers cannot be truly harmed by the righteous, who cannot possibly do to wrongdoers on earth what will certainly happen in the afterlife. Thus, the misrepresentation of Jezebel by sexualizing her offenses is not wrong; it isn’t wrong, in their eyes, to accuse people of atheism who are not atheists; subhuman prison or jail conditions are not of their concern; and whether justice is actually done is of secondary concern that the powers that be declare themselves right. (It is this notion shared by a Protestantized Catholicism, as much as stupidity, which was the origin of a NY State Senator’s claim that “After all, without the death penalty, we wouldn’t have Jesus Christ.”)
Evangelicals believe that G_d constantly intervenes in the world through miracles, often to lengths that seem even to insiders absurd. This should be understood as inherently antinomian in nature; the world doesn’t function according to objective laws, or does so only to a limited extent, revocable at any time. This, too, works to create a universe dependent upon Divine Arbitrariness, not on rules.
All of these doctrinal nuggets, and many, many, more, contribute to Fundamentalism’s opposition to the very idea of rule of law. They are not simply opposed to human law; they are also resentful of the difficulties presented by Divine Law, and interpret Scripture accordingly. It should come as no surprise that they cannot see liberty as a human construct, that they do not accept that rights mean limitations on their own claims, or that they see the Constitution as anything other than an impediment.
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Why Do Republicans Hate The Law?
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When we’ve got persons with a sociopathic mindset running things, it’s tempting to analyze and find specific reasons for their behavior. I see a confluence of factors or a perfect storm at work:
* Black and white thinkers tend to come from emotionally abusive family environments. They can’t emotionally process nuance. We all go through a stage of black and white thinking during childhood to help us understand and cope with the world around us. Abuse stops emotional development in its tracks. How old was George W. Bush when he was emotionally abused? Did he later drink and drug to medicate his emotional pain, say, regarding his sister’s death? It couldn’t have been a picnic with Barbara Bush as his mother.
* Religious indoctrination used by some to tamp down the potential for critical, analytical thinking skills in a significant portion of the U.S. population.
* Quality and availability of public education to enable critical thinking skills and hunger for knowledge in a portion of the U.S. population. People simply being unaware of what they don’t know.
* Neocon cabal, more sociopaths, merely using and manipulating Republicans and the American public to fulfill the Neocon agenda. Manipulators pair up with those who are easily manipulated. Karl Rove–George W. Bush; Scooter Libby–Richard B. Cheney; Douglas Feith–Donald Rumsfeld; Bill Kristol–John McCain, etc.
* Corporate media no longer doing adequate investigative journalism (gathering facts) and relying much too heavily on opinions of paid pundits. News departments burdened with being profit centers for corporations. Corporate media losing sight of being granted the privilege of using the public airwaves in service of keeping a well-informed citizenry.
The thing is, because most of these people have a warped mindset and perception of reality, they don’t have the desire nor emotional capacity to comprehend their own dysfunctional behavior or role they play. They’ve normalized their dysfunction–it’s all they know now.
I guess we have to be the ones who hold up the mirror they dare not look into.
- Tom
“Law & Order” Party? “Order” Party is more like it.