
“Ours is a time of great political disaffection, and I understand it, because so far in this new century, we have failed the people of this country. We’ve got a lot of damage to repair. There are no magic bullets. Future generations will look back on this period as a very dark one if we fail. But heaven help us if we don’t try.”
Harry Reid, The Good Fight: Hard Lessons From Searchlight To Washington.
No kidding.
I didn’t know much about Harry Reid’s background before I read his memoir other than that he came from a small town, had boxed in his youth and served on the Nevada gaming commission before going into politics. I assumed I wouldn’t be reading the usual up-by-his-Sperry top-siders from Andover to Yale that usually characterizes political biography in this country but I have to say that this wasn’t what I expected either:
I come from a mining town.
But by the time I came along – December 2, 1939 – the leading industry in my hometown of Searchlight, Nevada, was no longer mining, it was prostitution. I don’t exaggerate. There was a local law that said you could not have a house of prostitution or a place that served alcohol within so many feet of a school. Once, when it was determined that one of the clubs was in violation of this law, they moved the school.
As a boy, I learned to swim at a whorehouse. Nobody in town had ever seen such a fancy inground tiled pool in their lives as the pool at the El Rey. Or any pool at all, for that matter. At least nobody that we knew. The El Ray was the main bordello when I was growing up in Searchlight. Every Thursday afternoon, the whoremonger in town, a kindly bear of a man by the name of Willie Martello, would ask the girls who worked the El Rey to clear out, and he’d invite the children in town, usually no more than a dozen or so at a time, to swim in his pool. And we would live the life of Riley for a couple of hours, splashing in the azure blue of that whorehouse pool. This was a rare luxury in a hard town. When I was coming up, there were several other brothels in Searchlight – the Crystal Club, Searchlight Casino, Sandy’s – thirteen in all, and no churches to be found.
In my home, we had no religion. None, zero. And when I say none, I don’t mean 10 percent religious, I mean none. It wasn’t that my parents were atheists or something, it was that religion just wasn’t part of our lives. But Franklin Roosevelt was. In our little home, my mother had a navy-blue embroidered pillowcase with a little fringe on it, and she put it up on the wall. On it, in bright yellow stitching it read, "We can. We will. We must. – Franklin Delano Roosevelt." And that was my religion.
That’s just not your average political biography in our culture of idealized small town life of white picket fences and Fourth of July picnics. It’s a really rough story, with parents who drink too much, acute poverty, spousal abuse and finally suicide. It’s a childhood out of Jack London. Or maybe Dickens’ London. You can’t help but be somewhat horrified. And inspired. How does someone crawl out of that beginning to become one of the most powerful people in the country? This is a truly self-made man.
As it turns out, this matter-of-fact recitation of grit and self-reliance is a quintessentially American story. He hitch-hiked to high school across the desert because he desperately wanted to improve his lot in life. He worked his way through George Washington Law School, with a young family, as a police officer. He became a defense lawyer in Nevada, which meant he defended some very colorful characters and then he famously took on the mob as head of the Nevada Gaming Commission during the Casino era. When you see him speak, it’s really hard to believe that this soft spoken fellow is the guy who did all that.
The Good Fight turns out to be a breezy read and I frankly didn’t expect it to be. It’s structured in an interesting way, juxtaposing the recent congressional fights during the Bush Administration with the life story, which I would guess was done as a way of illustrating the "fighter" in both instances. I’m not sure that really works, since Reid patiently explains throughout just how much compromise, hand-holding and outright horse trading is required of a Senate leader. The fighting we see is nearly all of the sheerly defensive type since the Bush Republicans adopted an unprecedented form of Senatorial brinksmanship to serve the ambitions of the likes of Bill Frist and Karl Rove.
Those of us who’ve followed the Senate battles of the last few years will find some of what Senator Reid reports to be surprising. (For instance, that Joe Lieberman had to be convinced repeatedly to stay with the Gang of Fourteen.) His view of the Senate is that of a person who holds the rules and traditions to be somewhat sacrosanct (which might be surprising coming from libertarian Nevada, but when considered in light of his upbringing makes much more sense.) He believes strongly in the necessity of a branch of government that balances out the powers of the large states with the small — a Madisonian concern about the tyranny of the majority.
His fight against the Republicans employing the nuclear option was based upon preserving the integrity of the Senate. The fact that they were threatening it in order to place radical, right wing judges on the court seems to have been less of an incentive. Senator Reid was concerned about preserving our system for the long run. Of course, as John Maynard Keynes said (and George W. Bush famously mangled) "in the long run, we’ll all be dead." The legacy of the Bush appointments are going to affect all of us for the rest of our lives. Senator Reid succeeded in preserving the filibuster for the next generations. (Considering that the Republicans of this Congress have now used it more frequently and capriciously than any minority in history, one can’t help but wonder if he might have a few second thoughts.)
The book is written in that flat laconic way of hardscrabble westerners, no frills, just the facts ma’am. It has, at times, the feeling of a soliloquy or a voice-over in one of those quiet western cinematic tone poems, like Tender Mercies. He doesn’t bare his soul or let us into his inner life, but then he doesn’t have to. His life story stands as a testament to the American dream and that’s something that speaks for itself.
I am honored to welcome Senator Harry Reid of Searchlight, Nevada to today’s FDL Book Salon.
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Senator Reid, welcome to the Lake.
My pleasure.
Senator Reid, it is a great privilege to have you here with us today. Welcome!
Welcome to FDL Senator Reid.
Senator Reid, it’s a great honor to have the Senate Majority Leader at FireDogLake. I was wondering if your book addresses the problem of the corporate financing of national (and local) campaigns? As I know you are well aware, Congress is forced to spend a high percentage of its time raising money that sometimes the lobbyists end up writing the legislation. Sara, a commenter here at FDL, has suggested requiring donations to be from registered voters. In addition to that, I have read some discussion of capping corporate donations at some percentage (20% for example) of whatever a candidate has already received from registered voters. This would force corporations to at least line up behind registered voters in terms of access to our elected officials.
It’s also a great honor to be on the same thread with Digby.
Thanks guys. Lets get some questions.
Aloha, Senator Reid, we greatly appreciate your taking the time to be with us here at the Lake!
Welcome to the book salon Senator reid. It’s a pleasure to meet you.
Keith Olbermann brought up last night that you reported in the book that President Bush said on the sixth anniversary of 9/11, “Bring ‘em on. We’re killing them. We’re killing them.” Do you think president Bush is delusional or has the administration’s policy actually been simply to kill terrorists off one by one as if there’s some sort of finite number of them?
Why did you not honor Sen. Dodd’s hold on the SSCI version of the FISA bill?
This is a autobiography of my life. It wasn’t meant to deal with every political question. But I believe campaign financing has been changed in this Dem. presidential primary because of the Internet. Remember 10s of millions of dollars of contributions came in with an average amount of 90 dollars. So corporations had little do with this campaign on the Democratic side.
Hello, Senator Reid. I was part of the crowd at YKos convention at Los Vegas waving the “Give ‘m Hell, Harry” sign!
Thanks for the response.
Welcome Senator Reid. I was at one of the front tables at the Vegas Yearly Kos when you welcomed us to town, so it feels right to welcome you here. Thanks for coming by.
Do you think there are still opportunities for young Americans to make of themselves what you did? Your story is so inspiring; do you think others could repeat it now, with income disparity so much wider and inequality so much greater?
Sen. Reid, thanks for taking the tie today. Curious about your opinion in whether the primary has hurt the Democratic party or, as Digby and others contend, has served to strengthen it.
Senator, welcome!
As a pastor, I got two great and unexpected laughs. The first one came in the excerpt Digby posted above, about learning to swim in a whorehouse pool. The second came at the end, where you mention in passing that you actually defeated God Almighty in a primary election.
My question is less humorous. I saw your appearance on Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown” where you seemed to indicate that Steny Hoyer and Jay Rockefeller were negotiating a compromise of some kind on FISA and telecom immunity, but that you had not seen their work — and you did not sound as if you would support any kind of compromise. Is it common for the Majority leader of the House to work behind the back of the Majority leader of the Senate?
Senator Reid,
I have not had the opportunity to read your book but was wondering what in your background do you believe prepared you for what has to seem like herding cats sometimes (being the Majority Leader of the Senate with all the big egos around)?
Senator, if you are replying to a specific comment, you can click on the button just below and to the right of that comment marked “reply.” That will make it clear who you are responding to.
On the night before the issuance of the 9-11 report Governor Kean and Congressman Hamilton, in a closed meeting were asked by me, explain what’s going on with all these terrorists. They responded, there is a finite number of terrorists who you can only kill or capture. But there are millions who sympathize with them and our goal should be to work so these million come to our side. Obviously Bush’s direction has been contrary to what Kean and Hamilton suggested.
One thing we at FDL and other liberal blogs struggle with is the MSM (Mainstream Media). It was a pleasure to see you on Keith Olbermann’s Countdown. Many of us have tuned out just about everyone else. Does “The Good Fight” contain any insight into the MSM and how we can get them to more accurately cover the issues of our day?
Senator Reid, thank your for being here!
There has been a lot of talk in Democratic blogging circles concerning the idea that Senator Obama has constructed a powerful new fund-raising and campaigning system that has the potential to completely reconfigure the political power structure of the Democratic Party for decades to come.
Could you please give us your opinion of whether this is, indeed, the case, and what your impression is of what the future has in store for the Democratic Party?
Senator Reid, I’m concerned about the ‘comity of Congress,’ it seems to me that the Democrats are trying to legislate, and the Republicans are waging war. Can you comment to that? Thanks.
There is a general misunderstanding of holds in the Senate. Holds are temporary not permanent. Senator Dodd and I worked together on FISA. Senator Dodd and I voted together on FISA. Senator Dodd and I will continue to work together against immunity for the phone companies and for Bush and Cheney.
With all due respect, Senator, please deal with Joe Lieberman, sooner rather than later, by stripping him of his committee positions. He is a traitor to the Democratic Party and he openly supports the Republican presidential candidate.
Hi Senator Reid!
I can’t wait to read your autobiography. I admire your personal journey.
To my question(s): How many Senatorial seats are in play in November? What are the chances that Democrats will take Republican seats in the election? And, how on earth do you deal with McConnell?
You don’t have to answer that last one. I just couldn’t help myself.
And, lastly, I admire your and Speaker Pelosi’s strategy over the past two years given the voting challenges in the Senate and Executive veto.
Welcome to FDL, Sen. Reid. Thanks, as always, for such a wonderful introductory piece, Digby.
We spend an awful lot of time of late discussing respect for the rule of law and the need for restoration of the balance of powers. Your book talks about a number of the threats — through party intrigues, power plays, and outright scheming among various factions in the GOP (as well as some intricacies with the Democratic party structure as well). As someone who has spent her lifetime watching politics on the national stage (and here in WV as well), I have to say that there are days when my cynical side says that desperately needed reforms are never going to come. Because individual political self-interest among so many of our nation’s elected leadership comes before national interest far too much of the time.
For example, after Katrina I so hoped that poverty, health care and other issues surrounding the grinding desperation for so many in this country would finally come to the fore. And they did for a couple of weeks, only to recede when the kleig lights faded. The same regarding rule of law and betrayal of national security during the Libby trial’s spotlight, only fade away. Personally, the unilateral executive power that George Bush and Dick Cheney have abused for the last few years is as brazen as it is astonishing, but it far too often seems as though the checks and balances that ought to be there are far too infrequently pushed to the fore.
What can we do to help force our government back into balance? Beyond oversight hearings, will there be pursuit of contempt — through legal as well as inherent means — when the Administration fails to respond to subpoenas?
That is one of the two reasons I wrote my book. To show that Harry Reid’s of our country can still make it. We live in a great country. Each of has to work every day to make sure that the priveldged and wealthy don’t run our country.
Sen. Reid: One thing I’m always curious about is the inner working of the lobbying process. Who comes to you from the telcos and what do they say in regard to their quest for immunity?
What are their lines of thought? Do they talk about how much money it will cost them if the don’t get it? Do they talk about the promises that were made to them that if they did the data gathering they wouldn’t get in trouble? To they appeal to national security? Patriotism?
What other kind of pressures do they bring up to you and other legislations as the reasons that they MUST have this immunity for laws broken. Do they talk about the pressures on THEM to get this immunity deal? Do they say that laws really WEREN’T broken?
How are they working you on this issue?
Amen Sister!
Thank you for coming, Sen. Reid, and for being willing to share your views with us today. FDL has its share of critics of your leadership, but we welcome your courage in taking our questions and in arguing for our support.
Heroes in Dickensian stories win via the intercession of long lost but newly found relatives or a kindly turn of fate. Decidedly not the end met by most Victorian foundlings. Heroes in Jack London stories win or lose owing solely to their ability to take whatever the wild throws at them, to become as wild as circumstances require in order to prevail.
America today is the land of presidential lawlessness and torture. It is not a fiction. Voters said in 2006 and say today that they want a Congress that will stand up to a lawless President. The current Congress, despite its Democratic majority, seems unwilling to do that, the temporary FISA victory notwithstanding.
Is that true, in your opinion, Mr. Reid? If not, why not? If so, why does that justify voting Democrats a larger majority in November?
I dont recall ever talking to the phone cos re the FISA issue. I have had several briefings w the CIA re this issue. As you know I oppose immunity for the phone companies and for Bush and Cheney.
If I remember correctly, you could have introduced a version of the FISA bill that did not include telecom immunity rather than the one you chose as the base bill. Isn’t this correct?
Senator Reid, I am one of your constituents (ZIP code 89123), one who writes and emails my represntatives repeatedly. Thank you for being here today.
Pre-emptive telecom immunity simply must not be granted. These corporations have numerous ways to get around civil liability, and you know it. The push for pre-emptive blanket immunity has everything to do with covering up Bush administration constitutional violations, and little to nothing to do with telecom litigation risk. We need your help here. Do not cave.
Mahalo, for responding! Isn’t it true that as long as a Senator does have a hold on a bill it precludes further action on the bill, I seem to recall Mitch McConnell having placed numerous holds on critical bills and essentially shutting down those particular bills…?
Senator Reid, your personal story is pretty amazing. You didn’t grow up with any of the community or family advantages that so many Americans had, even in those war torn and post war years. To what do you attribute your success? It seems almost impossible.
Oh and are the Democrats going to carry Nevada in the fall? ;)
Welcome Senator Reid, Bruce Fein & Jonathan Turlington, both Constitutional Lawyers have said repeatedly that this administration has broken laws and yet Congress is unwilling to investigate.
How can the American people have confidence in you upholding the Constitution and rule of law when you turn a blind eye to these transgressions ?
What can we expect of you and Congress, in prosecuting these violations ?
Hi Senator Reid! Thank you for coming to talk with us today.
I have not read your book yet, but part of the title mentions hard lessons. What was the hardest lesson you had to learn?
Your fingers to God’s ears of us taking Nevada, Digby. *g*
Thank you for answering my question, sir.
I was surprised to read (elsewhere) that you won your last Senate election in Nevada by less than 500 votes. Due to Senator Daschle’s defeat, some say it’s unwise to have someone from an “unsafe seat” lead our party in the legislature. What do you think about that?
Also, how do you square your position on a woman’s right to choose with the Democratic Party core value? Do you think our legislative leaders’ positions should be aligned with the core values of the Democratic party?
Thanks again!
Senator Reid,
Does not justice call for the impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney and President George W. Bush? Does not the reputation of our nation require that we act, even in the face of long odds against success, to demonstrate that we are a nation of laws and justice? From the mishandling and destruction of White House e-mail to the lies used to justify a war of aggression to the indelible stain of encouraging the use of torture, does not our posterity and national legacy demand that Congress move to impeach the Vice President and President, in that order?
Senator Reid,
This is in the news today..
“Former Venezuelan Attorney General Isaías Rodríguez has presented the Venezuelan Government with detailed plans of a plot to destabilize the government and overthrow the elected President Hugo Chavez.
Rodríguez presented the document titled “Shock and Awe Theory in Venezuela: Provoke a State of Shock In Order to Command Respect” to the courts investigating the murder of Danilo Anderson on Friday.
The document details plans involving Colombian troops, paramilitaries the United States intelligence services and revolves around the promotion of the secession of the oil rich state of Zulia.”
What will Congress do if this is true?
what will Congress do if the Administration attacks Iran or Syria?
Senator Reid, thank you for coming and being open to questions not about your book.
What would you see as the top two or three priorities for the Senate Majority Leader in January 2009 if we have a President Obama?
Just a comment Senator Reid per Earl of Huntingdon’s question regarding torture. There are many liberals who want to leave the Democratic party in disgust over torture, “rendition,” and the politicization of DOJ; so they can start a third party. I and many others here spend time urging them to remain inside the Democratic party. In my case, this is kind of funny, because I grew up a Barry Goldwater Republican.
I hope you and others in Congress can make the case that America is infinitely safer when ordinary people feel comfortable coming forward and sharing whatever information they have.
Welcome to the Lake Senator Reid.
We who spend time energy and money here at FDL are overwhelmingly concerned about the rule of law and the abuses it has incurred by the Bush administration. While we are well aware that any kind of actions toward impeachment must originate in the House and that Speaker Pelosi has “taken it off the table” we are continually wondering what Bush and Cheney would have to do for it to be put back on the table. We have witnessed the uncovering of torture, secret prisons and rendition, a war started on false pretenses, the spying on citizens, the outing of a covert CIA agent, disregard for habeas corpus . . . we could list instances all day.
What will it take to hold the criminals in the White House accountable?
Before my 9 new Democratic Senators were sworn in Jan, Senator Johnson of South Dakota became seriously ill. Our majority dropped to 50-49 and with Sen. Lieberman voting with the Republicans on Iraq causing our majority to go out of existence. Inspite of this, the Democrats fought on to require 37 votes on the war, passing most sweeping lobbying and ethics reform leg. in the country, raised CAFE standards for the first time in 30 years, and other important measures inspite of our lack of our numbers and the obstructionism of the Bush Republicans in the Senate. We haven’t gone as far as we would like. And thats why we need more Democrats in the Senate after this November.
I now know why you are as successful as you are in Congress — your upbringing in your hometown was the perfect preparation for Washington DC.
I, too, think that any deal that grants retroactive immunity for activity criminal complicit with the Bush-Cheney administration to deny the citizens of this country their constitutional rights will dim the light of democracy more than we will ever be able to stand.
Isn’t there anyone in government in Washington who has any sense that the democratic tradition of this country has been damn near destroyed by the incompetent thuggery of this administration?
Welcome, Senator Reid. Thank you so much for being here today. The book has many a colorful story — and I like the Lieutenant Governor 1970 hair. You’ve kinda got a Harvey Keitel thing going on there.
Senator Reid: I’d like to know why you think this is – what do you see as the root causes of the failure? Specifically, how do you think Democrats have contributed to the problems we face and what different approaches should we be demanding of our democrats in congress?
(I say this as one very disappointed citizen who has learned to regret much of the volunteering I did prior to the 2006 elections)
…And an awesome 1970s tie. *g*
Fein and Turley obviously haven’t watched what’s been going on in the Capitol Hill. Because we have conducted scores of hearings in the Arm Services Comm, Judiciary Comm, and other committees on President’s what I believe are illegal activities including his signing statements.
Thanks Jane. I prefer Robert Redford.
Senator Reid
I haven’t read what sounds like a fascinating book yet.
But given what Digby wrote about your concern for preserving the Senate as an institution, I’d love to hear you compare your tenure as Majority Leader with that of LBJ. LBJ managed to leverage the question of preserving the filibuster in ways that finally produced important legislation. Do you think there are any opportunities to do the same? Just as an example, why not try to take the Gang of 14 (which, in the incarnation we got, basically meant Democrats ceded to Republicans on all but 3 judicial choices) and try to extract some concessions on other legislation. (Though I accept that the Gang of 14 precedes the time when we had a majority.)
Thank you for your response Senator.
I’m not smart enough to read between the lines of your answer, please help me.
What did the CIA tell you about this issue of telco immunity?
(I know the easy answer is “it’s classified” but I’m not interested in anything classified I’m interested in the arguments and rationalizations that are provided. Some people are more convinced by one set of arguments than another. Some people are more easily swayed than another with appeals to “national security” some are more easily swayed by, “you will look weak on terror” arguments.
With out getting into ANYTHING classified what is the CIA telling you about this?
Be careful when you hitchike.
Just bought your book Senator Reid (and miracle of miracles, I remembered to use the FDL link).
Thank you for replying Senator Reid, will those hearings bring this administration to justice ?
The sense of many of us is that Bush & Cheney will get off scot free and thus set a dangerous precedent for future administrations.
That was my second choice.
In all due respect, Senator, many of us have watched the hearings religiously, what has all those hearings produced?
LBJ had huge majorities in the Senate. My majority has been at best 1 and sometimes with Johnson sick at -1.
For starters, Alberto Gonzales is no longer the AG. *g*
While listening to the news about Myanmar blocking aid fm our country and others to help with their natural disaster, my 14 year old son asked why their government would do that. I explained about the military junta there and told him that if he thought our government was a mess, he ought to think abut how other countries had worse. He said to me that there’s nothing wrong with our government, but just the officials we have.
What do you have to say to a 14 year old who is learning about history and politics to give them faith in our system?
An honor to have you hosting us today, Digby.
And thank you Senator Reid for visiting with us today.
I have not read your book, but I have seen a couple of your book tour appearances on television, and in one of them, you suggested that Senator Joseph Lieberman’s interests in pursuing an aggressive military posture in Iraq is the main thing separating him from the rest of the Democratic Party, essentially brushing aside the other differences
.
But there are other substantial differences. One is his shameful support for Senator MaCain’s candidacy for President.
Even more infuriating however, Senator Lieberman, as Chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs refuses to investigate the events surrounding the governments response to Hurricane Katrina. What are you empowered and prepared to do as Majority leader to see that this catastrophe is properly investigated?
We need you to lead, Senator. If that means being impolite to Senator McConnell, I’m certain your constituents won’t object.
Thank you again for visiting with us today.
Illegalities are being revealed, but the consequences are minimal or nonexistant.
Two quick examples: we got rid of Gonzalez and Jackson.
Senator, are you planning to hold hearings on the illegality of the Pentagon’s propaganda training program of retired military officers that was recently exposed by the New York Times and Glenn Greenwald?
You have said, Sen. Reid, that Sen. Lieberman votes with Democrats on virtually “all issues but the war”. That’s an exception that swallows the rule. It seems to put friendship ahead of the interests of the country and the Democratic Party. The GOP’s version of that is one reason they are rightly reviled.
The issue is less Sen. Lieberman personally than the Congressional oversight his “leadership” precludes. He has held no hearings into the tens of billions (mis-)spent by Homeland Security. No investigations into the failures of Katrina, politically inspired ICE raids, or the fiasco that is the “terrorist” watch list. For starters. He expresses unqualified, even slavish support for Sen. McCain and calls unhesitating for military action against Iran.
Those are not priorities we support or respect. Failing to oppose them is not likely to garner the Democrats more votes in November.
not sure we gained anything with Mukasey.
Its good that your 14 yr old is so interested. It is true inquisitive, concerned young men and women can recover from the Bush disaster from last 7 years.
How has Gonzales’s replacement been an improvement ?
Do you take credit for the appointment of Mukasey and his ensuing actions ?
Actually, in a recent piece for the Economist, Robert Caro argued that LBJ wasn’t working with all that different numbers than you are–though I’d add the caveat that he worked in a time before Civil Rights and the Southern Strategy changed partisan fights dramatically.
In any case, thanks for responding–and if I may ask one more question of both you and Digby. What did it mean that you had to convince Lieberman to stay in the Gang of 14?
Thanks for joining us at the Lake.
Sorry about jumping in. The key is GOTV in Reno (former resident, 89502) and especially Vegas
Thank you for being here today, Senator. I agree with you wholeheartedly, that many of the President’s activities have been illegal. I’ve been glad to see the hearings as a necessary first step to shed light. But what next? Surely there is enough evidence of illegality, of wrongdoing, to take it to the next step. What would that be? What can the Senate do to move action against the illegal activities of this Administration forward?
The answer is yes. I have personally spoken to Chairman Levin and he is tremendously concerned as I. And we are proceeding accordingly.
What is the first advice you gave your newly arrived nine Democratic Senators when they were sworn in?
It’s been a two steps forward, one back two step with him, sure. But the civil rights division is a much healthier place absent Gonzales. And I’ve heard that the OLC is a healthier place as well. Depends on with whom you are speaking, and what issue you are concentrating on as to whether things are better or the same. Ultimately, there won’t be a big change until the next administration. But stopping the hiring based on Bush-philosophy fervor for career track positions and going back to qualifications and respect fr the rule of law as the top consideration is a huge, huge step…and we got that by booting Gonzales. That’s a long-term benefit for the DOJ, and one that was essential…
Damn right!
Work hard. Attend your committee hearings. And don’t fool around.
Senator Reid,
I think that some of the frustration you might hear out in the public and among the activists is at the idea that the Republicans are going to get away with what they’ve done — and will logically be emboldened to do it in the future. We all understand that there is much business to be done and that you have a terrible mess to clean up. But the history of the last 30 years since Watergate, through Iran Contra and the numerous constitutional abuses of the Bush administration, is that Republican administrations are lawless and undemocratic. (The US`Attorney scandal alone is enough to give you the willies.)
Is there any way, short of holding the presidency and a majority in the congress forever (which I’m sure you would prefer…) to break this awful pattern, short of impeachment? They seem to escalate every time.
Sen. Reid, is Richard Bruce Cheney a member of the legislative branch, a federal employee working for the executive branch, or a Fourth Branch of government that is immune from Congressional oversight?
Given the forthcoming testimony (I’ll believe it when I hear it) of David Addington, those are serious questions, not snark. Thank you.
I’ve watched many of these hearings – either on CSPAN or by committee webstream. And I have to say that by and large the hearings have been a great disappointment. There are a few stand out Senators (Senator Feingold and Whitehouse come to mind), but the majority of the questioning has been pretty lame. Senators frequently miss hearings, or only attend for a short while (in order to get their time before the camera). They are frequently ill-prepared, ask lame (or no) follow up questions and are too often apologist for the worst of the Bush administration’s dangerous, illegal and immoral actions.
As a quick and recent example – in 2004, Senator Schumer defended the administration’s use of torture in the Senate Judiciary Committee. Then, on April 30 of this year, during a SJC hearing on secret law, a Republican Senator played a recording of Senator Schumer’s previous statement. How in the world can Democrats be entrusted to defend our country’s most basic values (to say nothing of our common defense), with actions like this?
Given how close their arrival would have been to the Foley mess, I’d say the “don’t fool around” advice likely resonated. *g*
Heh.
Especially with Roger Stone running around …
I knew that he would have some influence with the Republicans and some of the more conservative members of my Caucus. His participation was important.
Do you mean “fool around” as in Old Searchlight fooling around, or K-Street golfing trips to Scotland fooling around?
This is a very good question.
When the Repubs have legislative majorities, they take scorched earth approaches that demonize and destroy the ability of the minority to have any influence at all. Then, when they are in the minority, they scream “partisanship” every time the majority attempts to exert its prerogatives.
How can we break this pattern??
Thanks for answering my question Senator.
Both.
((((( Digby )))))
Great thanks for doing this !
In your book, you state repeatedly that Senator Lieberman is with the Democrats on “everything but Iraq.”
How does Senator Lieberman’s endorsement of and campaigning with John McCain sit with Democrats in the Senate?
So he didn’t want to stay in it because he opposed the compromises the Gang made?
I would guess both…
Sorry folks. I have to run now. Thanks again for having me here today. I want you to know all proceeds from my book will go to charity. I will check back and look at rest of this thread. Thanks again everyone. And thank you Digby!
and replaced him with a smarter and more competent apologist for torture and an out of control executive branch. I fail to see this as an improvement.
Are the more conservative members of your caucus chastened or emboldened by Joe Lieberman’s treatment thus far? Being tossed from the party in a primary must be terrifying; being embraced by your colleagues upon your return to the Senate must be comforting.
Which Lieberman lesson do you think your more-likely-to-wander conservative colleagues take away from watching him thus far?
Sen. Reid, your willingness as Senate Majority leader to dialogue with us at a substantive level is deeply, deeply appreciated. I know some here will not be satisfied with all your answers. That is to be expected. Many, however, with far less responsibility in the Democratic Party’s leadership than you, have done far less than you have today.
What would be the top areas where liberal blogs could be of the most assistance to you?
Senator Reid, following up on Digby’s comment (77), would you be personally supportive of a “Truth and Reconciliation” hearing process, with amnesty if need be, to educate the American people about the crimes committed by the Bush administration.
What exactly would you suggest to ensure that a future administration would not be able to get away with what we’ve witnessed these past seven years. (Obviously, the prospect of impeachment has not been an effective deterrent.)
I hate to repeat myself, but…
Senator Lieberman, as Chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, refuses to investigate the events surrounding the governments response to Hurricane Katrina. What are you empowered and prepared to do as Majority leader to see that this catastrophe is properly investigated?
True, but we have Mr. Mukasey, and acknowledged violators of the law like Lurita Doan stayed on for a year. The hoover seems broken and dust balls are collecting throughout a highly politicized federal bureaucracy.
What steps might your new Senate majority take in 2009 to re-establish that bureaucracy’s professional ranks, to re-establish the policy formulation process, and move us away from the shadow government through which the Vice President seems to exert unparalleled control?
I just find it bitterly ironic that an impeachment was conducted for lying in a civil case, with many of the Repugnants screaming that it’s all about the rule of law… Clearly, the Rule of Law standard has been breached repeatedly…!
*sigh* Just missed him…!
Sen. Reid.
Where you invited to Jenna Bush’s wedding?
What gift did you get her?
Did you ask her father for a favor today?
Yes. Apparently Lieberman thought the Dems, Nelson Pryor et al, were giving away too much and believed the Democratic caucus would balk. Senator Reid talked him into staying.
Thanks, Digby, for introducing this discussion and moving it along.
Thanks also to the moderators for whatever tasks came their way today! *g*
Can’t our side of the aisle get better at waging war without violence (by that I mean, being diplomatic and all with the Republicans)?
We have things to do, we must find a way to hit’em with a pool cue if they come at us with a sap. (All metaphorically speaking of course.)
Digby, Jane, thank you, doesn’t begin to say what this kind of access means.
The Republicans have shown us that it is possible to have a big influence, even in the minority. That our party apparently has such little ability to influence outcomes, even the marjority, has led me to tentatively conclude that this is a deliberate policy of our congress – they are holding the nation hostage and demanding a greater majority before they will act.
My question is, will they act even then or will the goal posts continue to be moved?
Senator Reid, if you come back and read this thread, would you consider asking that the reportedly 750,000 documents related to Abramoff that were withheld by the committee that McCain chaired, be released to the public???
re: stained glass this morning
That was beautiful, moving and very loving.
Mahalo, Digby for hosting this Book Salon!
Again, a disappointment. Sadly, not unexpected.
darn it. Liebercrickets.
It’s a terrific book. I highly recommend it.
Buy it here, if you like.
Thanks Digby.
What will be your top three priorities as you start 2009 with a firmer Democratic majority in the Senate, similar gains in the House, and a Democrat in the White House?
What practical steps does the Senate need to take to prevent a lameduck President from hamstringing those priorities before he leaves office?
Amen, Rev! *g*
I couldn’t agree more.
A lot of us got a chance to express our “concerns” to one of the most powerful human beings on the planet.
That’s a credit to Sen. Reid and a credit to the liberal blogs.
My impression of Sen. Reid has improved immeasurably as a result of him coming. He comes across as a very smart guy. I give him very high marks for coming.
Kudos to you for bringing it up. I was waiting for the response that never came. Like the man who never was.
Senator Reid, thank you so much for coming by. I greatly enjoyed reading your book. It’s an incredible story. Thanks for writing it.
cheers everyone! Thanks to everyone at The Lake for making this fun.
Senator Reid, Thank you for stopping by and spending time at the Lake.
Digby thank you for Hosting Senator Reid’s Book Salon.
Well, I don’t really expect answers to my questions like “you’re pro-life, why are you our Majority Leader anyway?” and “can you get re-elected in 2010, you barely got re-elected last time?” but I really appreciate the opportunity to pose them anyway.
You know they got seen, even if they didn’t get answered. The press corps Senator Reid faces never asks these kind of questions.
Agreed. Also, the questions to him were great — wish there were more answers.
Thank you, Senator Reid, for coming to Firedoglake. We appreciate your taking the time to answer our questions.
Jane and Christy and Digby and all here – Brava! Such a treat to get to visit with guests of this prominence!
I note that your early departure, Sen. Reid, prevented you from responding to the questions asked today.
I hope your staff will read the completed blog and that their summary of our concerns will inform your work. We’ll be asking those questions repeatedly before the election and after. Thank you.
When the AG can’t say if waterboarding is torture, I don’t call that a return to the rule of law. When everyone – and I mean the Clinton administration too – is brought to account for their role permitting a national policy of torture, then and only then can we even begin to think we have demonstrated any respect for the rule of law.
I know. Marathon, not sprint and all.
But the community here is a lot smarter than the press corps and we want answers because we care, not because we are stenographers looking for gotchas.
Harry Reid:
Senator, thinking about The Mining Act of 1872, which seems very antiquated, and your opposition to the Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007
What exactly is your opposition to this bill?
Don’t you think there can be some kind of compromise? Because I think companies like Barrick Gold are getting away with making a mint because of the 1872 law and they’re not even an American company
Thanks so much for being here, Senator Reid. We really appreciate it.
One quick word — Joe Lieberman. Please don’t.
I like you. And I have so many better ways to spend 2009.
It was no small feat for him to come into what could have been a hostile environment here, and he did answer many questions rather directly. For me, however, the Lieberman issue id the 800 lb. gorilla (elephant?) in the room and cannot be ignored.
Sen. Reid, as you come back to review comments here, I don’t want to leave out Iraq. Not only was it wrong morally and militarily to go in, we can’t afford it. It’s also destabilizing the entire Middle East. I hope Democrats can emphasize the condition of the entire region instead of letting Bush’s minions talk about “progress” in various province’s. Anyone who is concerned about Israel’s security has to be extremely alarmed with the collapse of Lebanon. Bush has handed control of the Middle East over to Iran.
I hope Democrats will include questions like this one in their sound bytes: “Based on current US deployments to Iraq, what are the troop to task ratios and the force protection requirements?” It’s time to show “support for the troops,” by pulling them out of an action that requires them to be “bullet sponges.” Ronald Reagan was understandably concerned about “nation-building.” It’s time to use that phrase against the Bush/Cheney war.
I had the distinct impression he wasn’t anticipating the ferocity of the questions…! Maybe, I shoulda waited a bit on the FISA hold question… Lulled him a bit…! ;-)
yeah, yeah…
I thought you were very direct and polite. What’s wrong?
Seconded enthusiastically.
Barrick Gold
Nice catch. Ground water is a huge issue.
Agreed. But he also, understandably so, declined to answer many other important questions.
no. you did well to ask it!
a political blind spot?
I didn’t say the AG respected it — I said the hiring credentials have gone back to that. Read my response in context again, that was solely with regard to hiring criteria for career positions being changed after Gonzales was removed…not with how the highest office at DOJ is being conducted. I have serious problems with Bush?Cheney Administration policies, as you well know. But their ability to stack the internal DOJ career hires with Bushbots has reached an end in terms of what will or will not be allowed without substantial scrutiny.
And that is a victory for which I am very, very grateful.
I agree. As RevBev said, we ask questions because we care. I hope he knows that but I would imagine his staff is vetting his answers because even though we’re not looking for gotchas the wingers are and this is an open site. What you see is what you get, warts and all. I appreciate the need to be cautious but I think there were some areas he could have been more forthcoming. And until the issue is resolved one way or another, Short Ride is the 8 ton elephant in the room. I for one like to know if one of my teammates is going to shoot me in the back at a crucial moment. Forewarned is forearmed.
What do all of you people have against LiebesRaumerman?
A true patriot.
If your ‘country’ is a heavily armed hilltop on the West Bank.
Is your tongue bleeding? I get the sense you may have been biting it a bit . . .
I thought he was a bit disingenuous in his answer, tho… And he didn’t address my follow up with Mitch’s holds…! 8-(
FWIW, imho, Chapter 6 of Jan Crawford Greenberg’s SUPREME CONFLICT, is really good on that whole issue. Jan really sketches out how Casey vs Planned Parenthood has put reproductive rights on a much firmer footing than they were on with Roe. My guess is that it’s a lot easier for Sen. Reid can to talk about choice in the context of Casey. I know nothing about his actual position, not from NV. I just mentioned it, because I though Crawford Greenberg laid out Justice O’Connor’s arguments so clearly.
I was going to get into water issues, because, well … Nevada isn’t exactly water rich … but he left
And how the Shoshone have gotten completely ripped off and ignored by the BLM and the BIA
His staff knows better than to anticipate softballs here, so he would have been forewarned to expect substantive questions, I can tell you that.
Got here to late for the Senator, but kudos to FDL and Digby for arranging this. Quite a feat!
Thanks for your candor in your responses Senator. I am hopeful and now confident that the FISA issues have your support. Digby et al, thanks for your continued good work. I know you’ll stay on Senator Reid to help ensure his work in the Senate is consistent with his comments here today.
I just know something really good is going to come from all the hard work in preventing telecom immunity.
Yeah, good point. Actually, that whole book is outstanding!
compartmentalization.
What I want to know is who are going to nominate to be FDL’s White House correspondent after 20 Jan 09?
Questions unanswered. :-( But we did learn something useful regarding FISA and the telcos. I had assumed that the telecos full court press included him. He is not getting “educated” from them, but from the CIA. And after his CIA briefings he says, “No immunity.” What does that tell you?
I really wanted to know what the CIA told him, but I also want us to notice what his response to my question says. I want to know who is the FACE of the immunity pressure. I want to know what they are threating, offering, using to get what they want. Maybe they aren’t going to Reid, but they ARE going to others.
The Bush Admin, the CIA and the Telcos all have their goals. They will all use whatever pressure then can to get what they want. When someone stands up against these three groups (or maybe just two groups, the CIA might be fine with FISA)they have to have their own reasons and base supporting them.
Sometimes the telcos goals line up with Bushcos. Are there times they don’t? (As in “I’ll listen in for you George, but if I get caught I won’t do time, right? Right? Listen, if you don’t ensure I won’t get punished just remember I have the orders for listening that you don’t want the world to see. Don’t forget that if you start to lose interest in my immunity.”)
I want to know this because unless we know what they are using to get their way we can’t offer a counter. And the methods each use can vary depending on their style and fears. Who is the most afraid? Bushco admin? Telco execs? CIA staff? What are they afraid of? What are they willing to do to get their way? Is there anything we can offer them that will outweigh those fears? Honor? Votes? Money from other groups/businesses? A nice warm feeling from embracing the rule of law?
Heh, the Lake’s reputation precedes itself, eh? ;-)
RIght on. I hope he appreciates our depth of concern on these issues like FISA and the war.
How am I to judge what the hiring criteria are? Maybe you can judge by who’s been hired, but I can not. What I look for is a DOJ that acts on all the evidence of administration lawbreaking that is already available. Have any of the new hires suggested thorough investigations? Have any of them even been willing to publicly state that waterboarding is torture? that the FISA law was broken? I haven’t seen anything – but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. If you have more info, please share. I’d love to think there has been a fundamental change.
edit – who are we going to
wow you peeps rocked,i lurked…..just wow
I would have been pleasantly surprised if Senator Reid had given you a serious and substantial answer. What we were able to do though was to voice our concern, and for that I am grateful.
Senator Reid, thanks so much for being here today! I gotta tell ya…I’ve been kicked off blogs defending you and Nancy Pelosi by reminding my fellow libs/progs/dems what you two are up against: A BRICK WALL OF KNUCKLE DRAGGING NEOCONS in the House & Senate.
We’ve been frustrated out here in the Left Blogistan, though. We want to see some real action…like you know…maybe you putting your previous boxing skills to use? Okay?
;-)
that is a book that i will have to find time to read, though I did not ask questions re Choice (finished writing my sermon for tomorrow on it a couple of hours ago) it is one of my primary issues of concern. We cannot afford any more right wing judges on appellate courts as well as on the SCOTUS.
we can hold his feet to the fire,on the immunity issue,i think
Look, I’m just telling you what I’ve heard from people who had substantive concerns for various reasons — that there has been a shift for the better in the types of hires being made because of the increased scrutiny, removal of Gonzales and the Administration toadies in the hiring section, etc. But I can’t say more than that without betraying confidences and identities. So take that for whatever it is worth to you…
Dammit. Is he gone already? LOL Oh well. I read down through most of the comments and I gotta say (again), you FDL’ers are incredible! Great questions. I loved how Harry Reid said, “Amen Sister!”. I thought that showed some normalcy we don’t normally see in our representatives.
excellent, excellent question.
sorry I missed this one, man I would have loved to hit him with some of my framing issues the demcorats need to address
Actually, I thought he answered way more questions than Arianna answered last week end, but there were far less comments pointed in that direction.
I found that discussion rather underwhelming, but that’s just my take on it.
Really? Who kicked you out?
Completely agree.
Rome wasnt built in a day,this will take time to sort out…the pukes steam-rollered eveything on the back of 9/11….the sanity has come back imo..( on the Dem side)
Well, Jane is in the area.
Then why did he not answer them? I thought his appearance here seem suddenly cut off, and respectfully, he certainly could have been more forthcoming. I am not saying that this is the case, but reading and following the conversation, it seemed like he left quickly in the face of Lieberman questions. As usual, the excellent participants here at FDL asked amazingly astute and relevant questions, and in return for their awareness and respect got very little in the way of answers or even, for some, acknowledgment.
I remain unimpressed. This was an excellent opportunity presented to him to respond directly to We The People on several sore issues.
Digby rocks and thanks so very much, once again, Firedoglake.
I wish the folks here would have been treated better.
I was shunned, booed, and banned from AMERICAblog for a few reasons and one of them was because I was a “jackboot licker” for the Democratic Party in my defense of Harry & Nancy and called a “Dear Leader” troll. LOL Libs/Progs/Dems were calling me that. Nice, huh? Of course, this is one of many reasons why I was banned. Too long of a story to tell here. Hell, it’s a snorer. ;-)
My skepticism is not of you, Christy, but of your sources. I have learned to distrust the motivations of inside sources. But, again, that is no reflection of my trust in your honesty. If you were inside and could tell me from your own personal experience that the situation was changed, I’d believe you.
I don’t know — I’m neither his staffer nor someone who knows him well, so you’d have to ask Sen. Reid or one of his staff. He likely didn’t answer certain political questions because he didn’t want ot walk that ground publicly (people have been quoted coming out of book salons or chats here before). I’m just saying they know better than to think they are going to get softballs here. I know his staff wouldn’t expect them… *g*
You’re right. This is going to be a long haul. November can be, I think, “…the end of the beginning” (Churchill) of change in the way we are governed.
Perhaps Mr. Reid was not ready for the level of questioning he got from FDL. I am sure an impression was made. FDLers are not low info voters.
I’m hoping that Senator Clinton will replace a weak kneed Harry Reid. The American people need a Senate Majority leader that is willing to speak truth to power and act accordingly. No offense Senator Reid but you’ve had your day in the sun and it has proven wanting.
Unless I missed it, nobody asked who he supported for the nomination. That speaks volumes about the liberal blogs’ focus on issues, not personalities.
IMO it’s time to hit the right wing blogs and begin a psyops operation on the right wing. Demoralize them and show them for the small minds that they are.
well in case he or his staff comes back to revisit some of this thread I really want him or his office to consider the following;
all a warrant does is insure the person using government cover to discover information is gathering information that the government needs
without making sure of this any person using the cover of their office can gather information and use it for personal gain
they can plagiarize my manuscript, they can patent my invention, the can find out who I am doing business with, how much I pay for product and what I intend to sell that product for, they will be allowed to discover my contacts, they can out bid me, undersell me
if it is a depraved official, (and we know as a fact there are a few of these), that official can use the cover of their office to find out what my wife and I are saying to each other in the head of passion or anger, they can find out where my son will be and what my daughter is doing with, when she will be alone, when she will vulnerable
all a warrant does is insure that the information being gathered is not for reasons like those
an official can discover how another politician is about to vote, what investigations are being pursued, the information obtained
they can also find information and blackmail politicians, they can force them to do things the politician knows are not in the best interest of this country
quite a few of us think the only reason an administration as damaging as this one to our country is not impeached is that our politicians are being blackmailed, that this blackmail is the only reason “impeachment is off the table”
man I have so much more to say and of all interviews I have missed this one bothers me the most
You are right, there wasn’t a single horse race question. That might have been a surprise.
Rope-a-dope ;-)
That’s why I was holding off
I get the distinct impression that he knew that the more he said, the more chance he would put his foot in his mouth … which is why he left early
Hopefully he comes back to read the rest of the thread; so ask him about FISA and Iraq and Iran and Venezuela and healthcare and Katrina and subprime mortgages and the economy and …
do you think he or his staff will be back to revist the responses written after he’s left?
I sure hope so
just an observation: imagine the pre-emptive self-censoring that all (thinking) politicians must resort to while engaging real-time responses such as this forum, press conferences, campaign appearances, etc.
Did Reid leave already? As a real Democrat once said, “if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen!”
Bullseye.
I might imagine a smart politician would have staff with him to approve responses as quickly as possible
after seeing sen reid on tv interviews i knew he wouldnt bring anything to this party….. i missed him here on purpose!!
Well, the problem is finding someone who would want to put up with, and continually have to smack down, the corporate water moccasins that nest in the WH press room. Helen doesn’t have to worry. She says boo they piss their pants. No problem.
nary a clown-car mention!
Thank God! I am so sick of that (not that most FDLers would ask that kind of thing).
My #40 got *crickets*
That does not bode well.
If you are to believe Reid, and I have no reason to doubt his response on that question, hte face of the push sure as hell isn’t the telcos.
Exactly as I have been saying all along, the telcos are barely even paying lip service to keep up appearances on the FISA/Immunity push; no, the whole thing is a Bushco operation, the telcos are confident they are protected, and here is why.
I have no hope she will introduce articles of impeachment, nor try to bring even one of these criminals to the bar of justice
When was the last time you tried to train a lizard?
Your kidding, right?
one of the reasons i love this place.
I do that on my blog now. I like to think of my blog as a Neocon Fly Trap where we enjoy picking off their legs before they’re banned forever! LOL
I don’t know about you, but I find it disheartening to be trounced on by fellow libs/progs/dems because I’m defending the Democratic Party, while they actually take on the roll of a neocon troll. Sad. The funniest part? The love the Democratic Party now. Why? Because they realized while they were going after their own, the republic party grew more feet. Scary. Creep actually. ;-)
Sen. Reid, one more thing on Iraq, the Powell doctrine for the use of military force. It’s a powerful weapon against those who want us to “stay.”
Senator Reid,
Re Sen Lieberman (CT CFL) i’m convinced he is a Republican mole whose mission it is to undermine the Dem party, and whose reward is to be VP with McCain. i became convinced of this during the CT primary in 2006, wjhen he was beaten by Lamont, (who i and others came down from MA to GOTV) and all of a sudden, he got republican money to continue to claim HIS seat.
i’m convinced we must toss him from our party – he is not a Dem.
My respect for Senate Majority Leader Reid is considerable, and I appreciate his making an appearance here today and answering some of our questions.
My contempt for Joe “Vote McCain!” Lieberman knows no bounds.
From Sen. Reid’s lack of responsiveness on the Lieberman question, I wonder if Sen. Lieberman has some kind of “hold” on Sen. Reid.
he knows we dont buy the company line(msm)
I’m surprised you didn’t chime in bmaz! ;-)
but he SAW it
I’m glad you brought that up.
Dear Senator Reid’s staff: please read bmaz’s link.
I wish we could hear more about this from Sen. Reid.
There are so many Iran-Contra players with security clearances in the Bush administration. I realize we can all cross our fingers and hope the next President nominates and appoints less questionable ‘experienced’ people in key positions. BUT is there any way to demand a higher standard within the Senate? It’s like we know these people have been seen weaving in traffic repeatedly, but because they haven’t been convicted of drunk driving we’ll say they are qualified to drive the company car.
Anyone who thinks Senate Democrats will pick another leader for the 111th Congress is dreaming. Harry Reid has taken the Democrats into the majority — barely, as he says — and is poised to win more seats this fall.
Notice that Leader Reid calls the newly elected Democrats “my 9 new Democratic Senators.” At his workplace, he is given credit for their wins. He’ll be credited with the wins this fall, too, regardless of the local politics in play with each race.
Harry Reid will be majority leader as long as he wants to. His re-election in 2010 to the Senate from Nevada is not a sure thing, but until Democrats lose our majority in the Senate (or lose a substantial part of that majority) the Majority Leader job is his as long as he’s a serving Senator.
Just so you know — and don’t feel bad because this is a common mistake — the Senate Majority Leader does not have the power to unilaterally strip Lieberman of his committee assignments. I’d like to see Holy Joe tarred and feathered myself, but that just isn’t within Reid’s procedural pergogatives. See my old post on it here:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/…..tions.html
Unless you can get it done via haggling at the start of the new Congress, it takes an amendment to the organizing resolution to strip any Senator of committee assignments. And even if every Democratic Senator were to vote to strip Joe down like that — which is highly unlikely in the Senate — Lieberman’s buddies on the GOP side of the aisle would likely block it.
Bob
I agree Neurophius. Did you see how many questions were lobbed at him above? I’m not sure I could have answered them all. That said, I hope his office prints out this comment thread for him to read. Maybe he’ll see how much Joe Lieberman is a traitor to himself and how much THE BASE of our party is upset about this. Anyone who throws out their core beliefs to ban with Satan (republic party) so he can his wars to protect Israel and not America should not be part of the Democratic Party at all! Hopefully, Reid will understand that.
Hey selise…
In the absence of proof, there is this: DOJ is being looked at very hard right now. If even one candidate seeking employment in a career job were inappropriately questioned (The Goodling Equation) as to political leanings, religions tests, etc., it would probably become public very quickly.
Mukasey, although not the best we could hope for, cannot have that particular dog snapping at his heels while trying to limit the exposure of the President, Vice-President, the rest of the Executive branch, and everyone who has served in the Office of Legal Counsel since January 2001.
He has a full plate. I’ll bet he wouldn’t consider giving the Congress another reason for hearings. Now this is wishful thinking. But unless someone steps up and claims to have been inappropriately questioned, we have no basis to suggest…
I think the guy is Chimpy’s shitheel, and his answers at confirmation hearings and since brought shame on his name. But I also believe he has limits, both practical and ethical… That particular game is up.
JMO
It might not be Iran who’s next …
Navy Re-establishes 4th Fleet
http://www.defenselink.mil/rel…..seid=11862
I hope he took notes..
Great question, TeddySanFran!
That is what my #40 is about.
Christy, mine was a rhetorical question. I didn’t mean you had to answer for him, or that it was within your capacity to explain him.
I’m just sayin……..
I’m glad you put that link on in case they come back and read the comments!!
thanks for that. in the meantime I’d settle for strident castigation of, and pariah status for, Traitor Joe.
oh, and changing the locks on the Dem caucus room.
Yup
I’m disappointed.
Really.
That this community would spend this time just smacking.
But, if that’s all you an do.
Gopher it.
I understand there is a time for everything, but still.
As, I said before, there was not this kind of smack down last week.
People, I love you. Be bigger.
I meant to ask if Joe was still invited to caucus strategy sessions, and how long into the election year that spying was to be allowed….
It’s not just the telcos. Phillippe Sands was on Moyers last night and the picture he drew had all roads leading to the WH, specifically Cheney’s office. He was talking about the torture memos but I think we all know that most of this bullshit has come from Cheney’s office, via Addington. Those are the faces I’d choose. Anybody want to put any money on the HJC getting letters from the lawyers for Addington, Yoo, et al, saying their clients will invoke their 5th Amendment rights before the committee? Voila! No hearings.
re: inappropriate questions
gooding was an idiot. any decent hiring person can ask completely legit questions and have a pretty good idea who to hire if ideology and loyalty to authority are of paramount importance. maybe a few more of the not true believer types will sneak in, but that is all.
that is why i don’t have confidence that anything has necessarily changed – other than, perhaps, better CVs. but we know what yoo’s CV looks like – intelligence and educational/professional pedigree are no protection.
We need a volunteer to check Lieberman’s bearings.
Do I see any hands?
Great question, TeddySanFran!
TSF is the master of the format: polite intro, butter-em up a bit, then ask an incisive question – a skilled honed by countless letters to WaPo on NY Times writers and ombudspeople, n’ est-ce pas?
solai, I thought that this was another great question that went unanswered.
And, along with all the other questions, I hope their is no doubt in Reid’s mind that FDLers are watching.
btw, I think newt (or someone) put up YouTubes of a lot of the FISA Senate debate.
newt?
I’m going to give Senator Reid the benefit of the doubt today. Again. I’m assuming he didn’t answer Lieberman questions and others because he has such a short majority and he needs to play close to the vest yet for another 7 months. But after that, when we have a democrat in the White House, I fully expect more open, honest and explicit answers to our questions from him and from Mrs. Pelosi. They’re conducting investigations on secret government. They need to stop being part of that and/or assuming that it’s all above our heads, we just wouldn’t understand or tell us that they are privy to info we aren’t and cannot be.
That’s way old already. A new prez should straighten out alot of that behavior.
Since the Senator said he would return to read comments later, let’s remember that we need to stay polite to our guest.
venezuela?
they have tons of oil
Thank you. It’s one of the things I’ve learned and one of the things I try to teach.
There is always the talk of “follow the money” but I say “pay attention to the people”.
Telcos, Bushco and maybe the CIA know who THEY have to persuade and they know what levers to use on each of them. You don’t use the same lever on a Bush Dog Democrat as an ultra rich committee chair. And sometimes the person that they have to convince is not the obvious one. And sometimes if you can give that person a better reason, (or expose his craven reason) you might have a chance of changing their position.
Like the borg, the telcos and bushco are adapting to our methods. Can’t get X this way try it this other way. Can’t get X at all, try to get X-1 or even Y. Figure out what drives all the people who matter and push that button. If people notice use the generic “national security button”. If that doesn’t work use educational tactics A, B and C. If that doesn’t work go deep behind the scenes. What do they want that you can give them?
Know the opposition. Know their methods.
Yeah, we should show him all the deference he’s shown to the Constitution.
as far as telecom immunity, the very principle is bizarre
if the telecoms acted for national security and had orders from the administration then they already have immunity
if they acted on their own behalf then they were stealing information
as empty wheels says, telecom immunity is not for the telecoms it’s for the administration
I’m game.
As long as I have one of these on each of my fingers.
demi, what questions, in particular, you thought we neglected to ask…?
If the Neoconartists start hassling Venezuela we could be headed for a world of hurt. They are rather closer to us than the ME. And given our history of abuse in South and Central America the entire area may just have had enough.
Yeah, you right!
The things we do for our country.
Don Corleone spoke to that very same formula for persuasion.
I did ask what his take was on the notion that Obama was creating a new fundraising/campaigning operation that was going to alter the power structure of the Dem Party for decades to come. No answer…
I also wonder why the democrats don’t point out more clearly that any time there is a national security concern the president has every right to pursue avenues of discovery long before he even applies for a warrant
all he ever has to do is show he sought surveillance with a legitimate goal that involved government business
the only reason they don’t want someone to see who they are survailing is that they are survailing their political opponents or they are stealing
there are no other reasons, the simply do not want someone seeing who they are gathering data from and that can only mean they are gathering information from people for no other reason then personal gain
Mr. Reid I’m curious to know who you think Obama will pick as VP and who McCain will pick as VP.
He lost them a long time ago. Could be hard to track down at this point.
Seconded.
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I did not address any questions that should have been asked.
Did I?
I was addressing an issue at the lake about something else.
I guess I’m not really understanding your question.
Please re-read my comment, and then I wish you would, get back to me.
I value your imput, CT.
Which is why we need to establish a honest working relationship with him, like it or not. We are in a very unique position, one that is breaking ground in the political process.
When Daschle was the majority leader this type of access wasn’t there, and now it seems like we have a way of having our collective voices heard.
I think it’s a nice place to be in quite honestly.
I think he’s a very sweet man.
joe liar has left the proverbial “building” ;o)
suggestion to powers that be- maybe set up a separate thread for further discussion- someplace where FDLers can continue the parts of this conversation that we feel strongly about, but would create a distraction for Reid and staff when they come back to read this thread? FDL in jokes e.g. ;)
Thank you, punaise.
*g*
I interpreted that to mean we didn’t ask the right questions, or to persist in our pursuit of answers, maybe I read it wrong…?
“The Teddy template” – tried and true…
Thanks Senator Reid, and Digby!
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Ian’s upstairs
The Future We Almost Know
by the way, ian welsh has a most enjoyable thread up top
As early as February 2001, the Bush Regime was in the process of spying on Americans illegally and the Regime used 9/11/01 as their way to continue spying on us illegally without warrants etc.
I wonder if our Senators take this into consideration when talking about immunity, because it never was about “national security” reasons as the Regime likes to say it was.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..ref=slogin
It was no accident when AT&T a year or two ago sent out a mass mailing to their customers with the words on the front of the envelope that read, “We did something you thought we’d never do. We listened.”. Of course, when you opened the envelope AT&T was patting itself on it’s back by saying they listened to customer’s concerns about the layout of their bills.
Oh please! AT&T was just telling a secret out loud knowing full well most Americans wouldn’t suspect anything except, “Oh look honey! AT&T changed their billing layout!”. Spit.
Those of us who have paid attention knew damn well what they were saying.
Hey, Valley Girl.
Haven’t talked to you in a while.
But, I that place would be right here.
I really enjoy talking to people at the end of a thread.
So. You?
Hope you are well.
it seems I owe you a coke
I really think that we can make our politcal points to Reid the best if really keep our politcal focus here, and leave the intra- FDL community comments for another thread. Focus!
Ayup. ;-)
I got the wording wrong. Here’s the front of the AT&T envelope they mailed to customers:
http://www.americablog.com/attlistenx.jpg
The following is a comment about your
leadership as well as Ms. Pelosi’s.
Remember when Dick Durbin said that
Guantanamo Bay was like a Russian gulag
and the Dem leadership – which would be you
and Steny Hoyer et al made him apologize
the next day on the floor of the Senate because
of the outcry from Bush? Last year Pete Stark called
Bush a homicidal maniac in so many words and Pelosi
made him apologize the next day because of the
outcry from Bush. Bush/Cheney are really homicidal maniacs
and must be impeached. The Dems are little, itty bitty
mice who are terrified of speaking up. In the words of
Helen Gurley Brown they’re “mouseburgers.” They are
emotional eunuchs who have cost this country
what’s left of its heart and soul. Hillary has the crazies
terrified which is why they’ve assasinated her.
Dean also scared them so they did the same to him.
Gore and Kerry both won but assasinated themselves.
But they’re all wealthy so they won’t suffer. We put you in
charge in 2006 to get us the (blank) out of Iraq…well
we’re still waiting. The Republicans go for the throat
and the democrats go for brunch. Which is why Obama’s
call for unity is absurd. I want to see a schorched earth
democratic campaign. Nothing more or less will do.
Good try….that is the key.
Thanks for this….sadly, or rather fortunately I missed this conversation or FDL would have joined Corrente, TalkLeft and the execrable OpenLeft in banning me.
I’ve met the diminutive Senator and he is a pretty good politician for being from a backwater. Which is to say he’s one slippery snake when he needs to be. You folks asked some good to great questions.
None of which did he answer.
I see nothing in his ‘leadership’ nor that of the sclerotic ‘old guard’ to support this election. I’m going to be looking for more such as Donna Edwards and Jerry McNerney. And before you start he is moving the goal posts in very red district. No one knows how the titanic struggle between Sister Beezlebub and Barry the Glass Jawed One will come out. Neither are progressive so it really doesn’t or shouldn’t matter to us.
So I’m for ‘A Blue Majority Now!’ in Congress made up of newcomers who will say to Miss Nancy: ‘Git off yer Armani clad butt and git to work or get the hell out!’
We can do it.
Think for yourself and as always….
Fight Back!
Oh what a book salon to miss!
I was so hoping someone would ask Harry if Republicans are ever going to be forced to ACTUALLY filibuster a bill, or if the Democrats will continue to fold at every threat of a filibuster…
That’s why we should band together and take him down, like we did Al Wynn.
Of course we would probably be unable to take him out in the primary so we will have to support whatever Puke runs against him, but that would really send a message.
Along with the other issues mentioned above, I would like to include the importance of net neutrality, not only for individuals but for small and medium-sized businesses to be able to compete with the ‘big guys.’