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For the first time this campaign season, Barack Obama has surpassed Hillary Clinton's support among superdelegates, according to the ABC News delegate estimate.
Sen. Obama, D-Ill., picked up two superdelegates this morning giving him a new metric to tout in addition to his current commanding leads in pledged delegates, popular votes, states won, and money raised.
Rep. Donald Payne, D-N.J., switched his endorsement from Clinton to Obama and Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., endorsed Obama. DeFazio was previously uncommitted.
With these endorsements, Obama has the support of 267 superdelegates and Clinton has 265 superdelegates.
I'd like to think this brings us one step closer to the end of the pie fights, but I have a feeling that superdelegates don't count.
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Go Barak….:)
woot!
This thing is obviously over- VERY OVER. On to McBush.
But I won all the states that matter
with all the people that matter
for the only candidate that matters
I won in states I was supposed to win in until it became close and then I wasn’t supposed to win but did anyway!
I won in states that Barack won!
Dugggggg:)
I’m a firm believer that pie is for eating and not throwing *g*
yum, me too :)
Most likely response from the planet Clinton is don’t confuse me with
the facts, my mind is made up… just like W.
A good pie is a terrible thing to waste.;)
i guess we can call this a it-s-so-over pie celebration?
(In fact I’m making a pie today)
Clinton is going to be eating humble pie.
It’s time to target McBush, rather then each other. I suspect this is the beginning of an avalanche.
Boxturtle (I sure hope Hillary loses gracefully)
What a shame. How much free “press” has Obama got with the establishment backing him- half a billion dollars worth? Hillary bested him about 20 debates on policy.
The day he is nominated is the day I remove the D from my voter registration. The so-called left including fake liberals like Arianna Huffington have gone mad. Barack Obama is a Tony Blair or Ronald Reagan like actor.
What a nightmare. Will be voting with my feet against the feckless dreamy Dems. Ugly stuff. I can easily get over not having Hillary be the nominee- but I will not accept Obama.
Great 48 State Strategy, Howie.
You are minus me & my whole family over this one.
Even if she does not, she will claim that she did.
I’d like to think this brings us one step closer to the end of the pie fights, but I have a feeling that superdelegates don’t count.
a merry pop-in: super-del suffrage heuristic, ex-pie all audacious
mMmm pie,
chocolate, moussey, and whipped with cream.
And on to McCain!
“easy out!”
Yep–well said….time for a truce.
I’m good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, people like me! - Hillary Smalley
Concern troll alert.
Hey, leave your poor family out of this, velvet.
The PEOPLE voted. That’s called Democracy.
About time we start targeting McCrazy. Let’s start with this hmm land swapping deal gone repug
Well, there’s always Nader…
Run along now, cute lil’ troll…
Could you explain your aversion to Obama? This is not a loaded question, I’m just curious how you came to your conclusion.
I totally understand the disappointment and would have felt the same had the roles been reversed but it is all about SCOTUS.
Exactly.
Yo! Mr. ‘Creative Class’ kin yew spell Dukakis?
folks need to vent and we can only work to mend the divide and go after McCranky
Must be some of those Disaffected Hardworking White Murkins.
Me?
Wright + Rezko + Auchi do not add up to ‘change’ they total ‘Corrupt Loser’.
The key to SCOTUS is a solid, veto proof democratic majority in the senate
Is there an acronym for this…DFTT?
New name wanders in and drops a “I’m now a McCanite” post. LOL!
Exactly….’cause you do know that Barry’s promised the SCOTUS to his mentor ‘The Last Honest Man’.
Right?
agreed but SCOTUS was what was going to ensure that I vote democrat.
Target McBush….where to aim? A target rich environment can be SOOOO enticing.
Lobbyist express…Iraq….Iran…Economy…Health insurance…marital infidelity…Gas Tax…
Boxturtle (Geez, I forgot Keating 5)
Agree. I’m just wondering if it is based on the “propaganda” floating around. It needs to be addressed.
I’m supporting the Democratic nominee for President.
If you’re not, don’t let the door hit you on your way out.
This place gets more parochial every day….
See ya!
Don’t wanna be ya!
McStain is insane in the membrane.
No way in hell is he even remotely qualified to be President.
This country cannot take much more of the fiscal abuse from the illegal war/ occupation and yet people are actually going to willingly vote against their own best interest because they are rigidly set in their political belief.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face has been proven to be detrimental to ones ability to stop and smell the roses.
A career in standup is not recommended for this troll.
Barack Obama strikes me as a Tony Blair or Reagan like cipher- the secular preacher scolding is also difficult to take. Didn’t anyone actually watch the debates?!
Who is this guy? He’s black, he’s white. He’s young, he’s old. He’s experienced, he’s fresh. He’s a kid who had to eat a free lunch, he’s a millionare. He’s rightwing, he’s leftwing. He’s above all that. He’s down in the dirt. He’s religious. But he’s a scientist. He’s an international man of mystery, or was, when he was 8. He’s a community organizer who drives a V8. He is everything. He is nothing. He is the Alpha. He is the Omega. He is the Messiah. He hangs around with ex-terrorists, colorful characters & Kennedys all in the same week. He’s in the know. He’s the man. He’s uptown, he’s downtown. Shelby Steele’s got this one exactly right, I’m afraid. He admires Reagan & GHWB fp, but is endorsed by McGovern. His bff is Oprah and he sweeps academics off their feet.
I swear to god, barring Karl Rove strapping an accent & cowboy boots onto George W. Bush, I have never encountered another public figure more contrived than this. Particularly that last refusal to debate.
A dangerous game at a critical time. This temptation to forcibly birth a myth at the cost of pragmatism is sincerely frightening. The worst of it is the continued mass hallucination of the media, where a 50/50 split is reported as 99/1.
Strange, unpleasant days. Not at all what I was envisioning in the post-bush era. There’s a weird blame the govt thing I pick up a lot in his remarks that is not going to fly too well outside the rarefied realm of the lefty blogs. And I don’t think he’s far left at all- I think he’s precisely what a winger would have been in the 80s with a sprinkling of lives a political life in Chicago politics & some identity politics & a whole lotta relgion in there. But what do I know.
Just left shaking my head here at the so-called new left.
Sorta EPU’d…Does anyone have any ideas who the “retired former covert CIA agent” is that decided to spread the runmors on the net about Obama being a Muslim and attending a Madrassah? According to the McClatchy News, who actually interviewed him, this guy decided to fashion a “Swift-Boat” type group with several other ex-agents and others (that he called the “Crusade”) back in 2006 to spread these false tales on blogs and web-sites.
I will bet you 10:1 that Larry Johnson knows who it is!
I call it seagulling. It comes from out of nowhere, squaking and making a tremendous mess. They it flys off again, leaving the mess for others.
Boxturtle (The less charitable might call it Trolling)
No kibbles.
I’ll take that bet and up you Hagee, Parsley, lobbyists, FEC fraud, reneging on vets and troop support…iraq forevah!
Shake your bootie outa here as well if your wrenching, poignant dismay so dictates.
Among the many places to begin with McSame, we can start here (dKos Diary):
McCain Busted in Land Deal benefiting Fundraisers over Environment
Well, there’s always emigration.
Interesting.
How do you really feel?
Barack Obama is not the second coming. He’s a politician. And if we’re listing them in order of corruptability I’ll put him down third on the list of people still running. OK?
If you point out flaws about Obama, fine. But that doesn’t take away the fact that McCain is insane.
So?
It will but it could also just be raw emotion that will abate. I was distraught when Kucinich dropped out and Edwards as well. I mourned their loss for a week or two and then came to my senses that we need a dem in the WH
Your brain must hurt from Obama’s defiance of your stereotypes.
You are not a Democrat. I dont expect you to vote Dem.
I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m certainly not going to tell you your wrong as it is your feelings to have. I will say that on the measure of being progressive Hillary isn’t swimming in it herself. memeber of the DLC, voted for the war, this gas tax silliness, etc. If the definition of liberalism has moved to envelope those things as a definition of being, I’m no liberal.
I usually vote based on debate performance. I look for folks that REALLY know issues. Can come up with demonstrable plans based on facts and figures. I have listened and listened and listened to Barack Obama. He speaks in generalities. He says one thing in speeches then his advisors, which come from the most extraordinarily conservative think tanks tell lobbyists and stuff the exact opposite. He says he doesn’t take lobbyist money but takes the money of lobbyists wives and bundlers from the big corporations. We continually loose elections when we put forward a candidate that only appeals to about two slices of the democratic pie. I’m an economics professor, I listen for solid wonky policy suggestions. I have heard none from this guy. His voting record is sparce. He has spent more time running for president than representing the voters that sent him to WA. He is going to have to work for my vote. I much more likely to sit this one out frankly. And you can call me all the names you want … I’ve been getting used to the abuse for about six months now. It ain’t working on me.
It’s the fear of the “unknown”, coupled with not bothering to find out the facts, after the propaganda machine tells you what you should be afraid of.
Your choice but keep your mind open.
What kdh22 said.
How ya been, kdh22?
I’ll be in your neck of the woods mid June.
This thing is over
It’s McBush or Obama-
Pick one or stay home….
No point in discussing those who didn’t make it.
I absolutely agree! Obama is a man for all seasons; a renaissance man, if you will. What a breath of fresh air! What a break from the past 25 years!
Excellent observations! Great to have you on board, velvetdays!
Five paragraphs and you managed to avoid ALL the issues that drive this race, Iraq, Economy, KStreet, Health Care, FISA, Campaign Finance … .
Yep the trolls are in high alert these days…they must be really rattled that democracy is actually working a little bit.
I posted on Cliff’s blog about a caller who said she was for hillary but now she’s for mccain. she just couldn’t vote for Obama because of how “disorganized” the dems are. hahahaha. Ed Schultz repeated it back to her in disbelief and said “so you’re going to vote for someone so fundamentally different from Hillary because the democrats are disorganized? That makes no sense to me.” She got a little tripped up in her illogical call. “No, but Obama can’t win, so I’m voting for mccain…” Huh? “so you’re going to vote against health care, for the war, all teh things Hilary stood for because Obama ‘can’t win’?”
It was so totally fake. Trolls on the loose.
I totally respect your opinion. It will be interesting to see if things become more specific as the race turns toward confronting the other party. We shall see.
Stay The Corpse!
Different organizations have different scores. Democratic Convention Watch, which provides the numbers Kos is using on the DailyKos front page, still has Hillary up by 5.5, but the count is closing. Part of the reason for the difference seems to be that Demconwatch has tighter criteria for changing the count, like strong confirmation requirements for delegate switches.
I can’t judge someone on debates because that is akin to judging a student based upon their tests results. Some are just good test takers while others excel in other areas. I wouldn’t dare call you out of your name. I can only hope that as time passes and you see the alternative and not sit this election out. We need every vote (can’t take any votes for granted).
My mind was open from the first time I heard him speak at the Dillard University graduation down here in New Orleans right after Katrina. I know who gave speeches down here and I know who helped us. Like i said, i prefer solid policy knowledge and proven records of action on progressive issues.
So you’re going to support McSane?
Feingold dropped out long before Edwards.
I have one goal. Out with the Neocons 4evah and that includes McGigalo.
Yes and that this has been a very divisive primary. Positions have hardened and people are taking it very personally. All the more for ending this and start unifying the party for the sake of the country, the middle and working classes, our children, the people of NOLA. There is so much at stake besides our own personal ‘hurt’ feelings.
A solid majority in the senate would solve that also … with leadership with a spine. There’s been opportunity for the last two years in the senate, and I do not see much progressive leadership at all. Albeit, a few congressmen, like Conyers, have been doing some good things. Maybe, Barney Frank. But most of our senate leadership have been out running for president instead of cleaning up the bush/cheney/rove/rummy/wolfie/etc mess
I shared your concern earlier in the primary season. Obama is my choice because what do we have?
McCain
Ron Paul
Nader
Barr (who?)
Obama
Clinton
I do not want another Clinton or Bush in the white house. Just my stand for democracy.
no, my vote won’t make any difference anyway, there is no way Louisiana will go blue this year, it did with Bill Clinton, but they won’t, the way it’s going … I’m going to leave it blank for the first time every, I was sucked into voting for Dukkakis, Kerry, second term of Jimmy Carter, and I recognize the trend, frankly I’d be fighting for an Al Gore/John Edwards ticket if I went to the convention… we KNOW he’s electable
Ron Paul, Nader, and Barr will pull votes from McBush.
1,837 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Blue Texan and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
As a result of this long and wonderfully contentious primary campaign that included a number of VERY good candidates that collectively represented all of the major elements of what should be the Democratic coalition, I believe that this primary is as close to a democratic process for nominating a national candidate as we have ever had in this country. Think about it. Since as we didn’t have an early “Super Tuesday” that shut the process down before it could get underway, we ended up with a perfect medley that gave party activists (caucuses), partisans and new voters (primary elections) and invested elected office holders (super delegates) a voice. It was democratic because not one of the three mechanisms was enough to determine the outcome and the longer the process went on the more folks became involved - now THAT’s democracy!
When this whole thing moves into the realm of history and doctoral dissertations, I think we’re gunna find out that America and American democracy owes a whole lot to one Dr. Howard Dean…he stood up to the institutional forces of corporate power in the Democratic Party and kicked their asses and made sure that there was time and space for people to get a good and honest look at the candidates.
Now in this last week, as a result of this process and the empowerment of the Democratic Party base, we have had a practice drill in confronting the politics of fear and political terrorism and have seen that the broad base of the party will reject such tactics.
Thanx Dr. Dean…now let’s get Al Gore back on the ticket!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!
Hey velvetdays, stop flaming Arianna. She recently reported Insane McCain did not vote for Yoonitary-Kommander Guy.
The story seems to be confirmed by other witnesses. That is funny.
And how, specifically, was Obama personally mandated with “helping” you?
And, is it realistic to expect one person to be all things micro-detail policy-wonkish? Yeah, that got Jimmy Carter real far. And the Billary policy record is not all that reassuring either. Maybe a smart leader who can get people to consensus is a marginally better choice.
Here’s a reason why a lot of “fake liberals” and ex-Republicans, and present Republicans will join a coalition headed by Obama: the war. Over 70% of the public is opposed to this venture that Clinton voted for.
There are, in fact, some Clinton supporters, and, more importantly, donors, who really will vote for McCain. They’re the ones who support this war.
why not have both? We need both. People of NOLA aren’t going to be helped under the repugs. That is evident. They send the first lady to criticize Myramar for the very thing they are guilty of. I never in my life want to ever see a POTUS eating cake and clearing bush while many of my fellow citizens are drowning.
O/T -
Maybe the Bu’ush/Cheney route to Teheran goes through Beirut…
I live in the ninth ward. I did not flood. I do not ‘need’ help. But if you come down here, you can see home much ‘help’ this place needs. There is no grocery store around here. There are no health centers and hospitals. Schools are still a mess. A majority of neighborhoods outside of the river zone are mostly abandoned. None of the fancy speeches I heard down here helped. Frankly, Qatar’s been more more helpful than most of our representatives have been and I’ll add the adminstration to that list also.
Can I have some of what you’re drinking?
There isn’t going to be a “solid” liberal/progressive majority in the Senate or the House. It isn’t happening until we reduce the corporate money that currently determines who wins the elections.
A smart leader has answers to specific problems, not generalities with a feel good spin …
We have so much to do, so much to clean up and i’m sure much to learn of when the dem takes office. I can only imagine what lies beneath the water
Unlike some here, I am very interested in what you have to say. As will be shown in WV on Tuesday, there are a great many Democrats who are still not sold on Obama.
My question to you is what could Obama do that would convince you to vote for him?
I am quite familiar with the travails of NOLA. My wife worked for Shaw Group, Director of Quality for the Environmentla Division. She spent the entire fall post-Katrina working 16-20 hour days, 7 days a week, working on the emergency response.
And, this is precisely Obama’s fault? Oh, my Bad.
Norske, thanks for this. ‘Tis true what you say and we don’t hear it enough. As with my 9 year old, it’s all about complaining about what isn’t and not enough talking about what is.
I think it is important to hear all sides. The more information the better for everyone in the long run.
Obama’s being the only candidate other than McBush would cinch it for me. I was orginally for Edwards.
Obama or McBu’ush. Your choice.
I think we’ve been doing a pretty good job of picking up seats in a variety of places. It’s going to be slow going to wring them all out. The populace is showing more and more signs of supporting a progressive agenda. Down here, we just sent a democrat to congress from a solid republican district in a special election. He isn’t progressive, but he’s not going to be as bad as the jerk he replaced.
More here
We need to get folks registered for November. Let’s blow up the dem roll.
they just released a poll that clint is ahead in W VA by 43 points on CNN
If we leave Iraq the region will become destabilized!
That and a bombing in Turkey today.
The summer of conflagration is on target.
-G
we need to get rid of electronic voting and we need to make sure there is more then enough hardware in democratic precincts
we also need some poll watchers and we need to stop caging
I went Biden –> Edwards –> HRC –> Obama.
Biden flamed out, as did Edwards.
Sniper Fire was the deal-breaker for me. Now buttressed by “hardworking white Americans.”
I see no other choice.
I’d appreciate hearing something other than generalities when he speaks. He was interviews by wolf blitzer yesterday on ‘issues’. he never comes up with anything specific.
Like the gas tax holiday? Like “obliterating” Iran?
A “smart” leader sometimes holds his cards close to the vest, and always avoids narrowing his options by needlessly alienating people and saying things that can’t be unsaid.
But that’s not going to convince you. How about the likelihood of Clinton versus Obama of ending the war? Read about their foreign policy brain trusts.
did you see that hezbollah blew up a tv station today? they’re on the verge of a civil war in lebanon
I am convinced that Obama will do the best for us, for our country, and our Constitution. I do not have that certainty about Hillary. Many of the candidates would have been fine with me. Obama is not some sort of mythical figure. He is a human being like all of us warts and all. He can’t succeed if we don’t help him.
But his skin color will not change and some people just can’t deal with that. It’s their loss.
Afternoon, all-
I don’t care about the policy specifics right now, since the one thing we know for sure is, the situation will have changed by January. Someone who will generally support positions I find tolerable is all I ask for at this point. I’ve admired HRC for many years-and I would rather have her appointing SCOTUS judges than any Republican I can think of-but policy-wise, one generally knows what they will get from her-more corporatism, more triangulation, and more “Bosnian sniper” embroidery. What will we get from Obama?
Nothing to lose, and possibly much to gain.
What do you mean about “specifics”…specifically? Could you give an example..say Iraq or healthcare…what do you want to hear from a candidate?
Go here.
Get back to us.
This sums up my position. whoever becomes POTUS, I’m sure I will be disappointed by 1/21/09 because there is just so much crap to clean up.
I have faith in his ability to pick good people for Scotus. I also think he’d be great on Scotus.