So much for that "family values" party label. Via Dana Milbank:
It was already shaping up to be a difficult year for congressional Republicans. Now, on the cusp of Mother’s Day, comes this: A majority of the House GOP has voted against motherhood….
It has long been the custom to compare a popular piece of legislation to motherhood and apple pie. Evidently, that is no longer the standard. Worse, Republicans are now confronted with a John Kerry-esque predicament: They actually voted for motherhood before they voted against it.
Republicans, unhappy with the Democratic majority, have been using such procedural tactics as this all week to bring the House to a standstill, but the assault on mothers may have gone too far. House Minority Leader John Boehner, asked yesterday to explain why he and 177 of his colleagues switched their votes, answered: "Oh, we just wanted to make sure that everyone was on record in support of Mother’s Day."
By voting against it?
Putting obstructionism ahead of moms is the Republican way. Got it.
Meanwhile, the Bush Administration is still hiding things from the public. And the Congress. As LHP pointed out yesterday evening, that a "…reference to the Federal Register reflects the past practice of actually PUBLISHING Executive Orders, so the rest of us would know what they said. Oh, and in olden days (read, before the Supreme Court annointed Shrub to be King) OLC opinions were routinely published, too." Oh, how things have changed.
Sen. Russ Feingold has been pushing for more scrutiny and more disclosure for a long time — and his recent hearing on Secret Government Law was one in a series of attempts at oversight. In an op-ed in yesterday’s LATimes, Feingold made this salient point:
…No one questions the need for the government to protect information about intelligence sources and methods, troop movements or weapons systems. But there’s a big difference between withholding information about military or intelligence operations from the public and withholding the law that governs the executive branch. Keeping the law secret doesn’t enhance national security, but it does give the government free rein to operate without oversight or accountability. Even the congressional intelligence committees, which are supposed to oversee the intelligence community, have been denied access to some of these legal opinions.
Congress should pass legislation to require the administration to alert Congress when the law created by Justice Department opinions ignores or even violates the laws passed by Congress, and to require public notice when it is waiving or modifying a published executive order. Congress and the public shouldn’t have to wonder whether the executive branch is following the laws that are on the books or some other, secret law. (emphasis mine)
It is as though some elaborate fiction has replaced our experiment in government by and for the people.
Sam Seder, who is one of the best informed hosts on progressive radio, had two recent interviews that are well worth a listen on this very point. One, a podcast interview with Sen. Feingold on the secret law issues, and the second a podcast interview with Philippe Sands on how America’s secret torture policies came to be. As Sen. Feingold made quite clear back in 2006, the GOP isn’t exactly standing on solid footing based on their own prior arguments about the rule of law and the limitations of government in pushing expanded unilateral presidential power. But that doesn’t keep Bush officials from refusing to answer questions, or GOP loyalists from refusing to ask them, does it?
We have a complacent media which has failed to do much meaningful follow-up to two huge stories: on the revelations that torture procedures were hand-approved at the highest levels of the Bush Administration and on the Pentagon’s use of planted PR propaganda purveyors in the form of retired military officers. (The Pentagon has put a cache of documents online for reading, but have seen no reporting from media sources on what is contained therein. Anyone want to do a bit of reading this weekend?)
Governments must be held accountable for their actions. And if the Congress and the Fourth Estate are incapable of doing so, then it is up to the public — through the power of the ballot box and repeated contact with elected officials to force the issue to the fore. The GOP’s repeated tactic has been to stall and prevent any meaningful oversight, putting party politics before the national interest, and to try and make any legitimate hearing of substance into as much of a bread and circuses farce as possible. (I’m looking at you, Issa, Burton and crew.)
So let’s talk about how we can best hold them accountable, since it looks like it’s pretty much up to us…
PS — I may be on with Sam this Sunday at 5 pm ET. Soon as this firms up, I’ll let you know…
(YouTube — Sen. Feingold’s opening statement in the secret government law hearing.)



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Christy, mom!
New organization: MACM
Mothers Against Congressional Madness
Milbank pointed out that these Gooper Congresscritters were for mothers before they were against them.
Heh.
The “obstructionism ahead of moms” link, just under the Milbank quote, has video of the GOP obstructionist idiocy on this. In case anyone wants to watch it in all its gory…
The media couldn’t cover these issues if they wanted to- they’re too complicated….they can cover murders, rapes, missing white women, and other issues where there is absolutely no grayness and no preconditions for understanding what the issue is
What they CANT’T cover are issues where the question is one of degree or where there are two complicated and competing arguments its impossible for em
Umm..when will the Democrats start screaming about gridlock, gridlock, gridlock?
When will they start beating the Republicans up for being partisan and unwilling to compromise?
Waiting….
-G
EPU’ed so I will park it here:
OT Crude oil is trading at around $125/bbl, this despite the fact that the US supply of crude oil increased by a very healthy 5.7 million bbls last week (putting it squarely at the midpoint of its average range). It increasingly irritates me when people point to supply/demand issues controlling price. If this were true, crude should be dipping in price this week but the reverse is happening. The real story continues to be the hedge fund driven play pushing money into oil and other commodities when the dollar weakens and pushing it out when the dollar shows any strength.
FWIW, Hoyer pitched an enormous fit on the floor of the House on the record about these tactics…
Complacent? Surely you meant complicit.
I’m not sure where in the process that clip comes from. I did find two recorded votes on the resolution, the unanimous one and the one with the 177 no votes. I have links to those votes at the site I’ve just started posting to on The Case Against Cliff (Stearns, my soon to be ex-Congressman).
It would be smart for the Dems to put forth a bill affirming Mother’s Day in it’s original intent. Get the thugs to vote against mothers and peace. Would love to see the roll call on that one.
morning christy!
have you seen this?
I am laying ten to one the president does not comply
OT – request to kossacks:
please consider giving a recommend to RandomNonviolence’s diary featuring Hugh’s List of Bush Scandals and Edward Teller’s scroll. thanks!
I am old enough to remember the good old days when oil was only $100 a barrel.
178 Mothers need to grab their childrens by the ear and drag them out to the woodshed for a good thrashing.
Momma’s , don’t let your children grow up to be
cowboysRepublicans.Dems should have a think tank generating bills that are overwhelmingly popular but that goopers CANNOT vote for..
It’s called “wedge issues” I believe. Goopers were great with em- dems- not so much.
Like- require one more paid holiday per year from all employers- in honor of say Jesus.
Hoyer is an excellent speaker on the floor, I like to hear him lecture them. It was one of the few bright spots in 2004, listening to hector Tom Delay.
The Republican obstructionism of the past week really shows disdain for the Institution and a basic contempt for the People-Flash! I found this link earlier when we were discussing their obstructionism, it is the floor summary for the last week. You can see how many frivolous actions they taken. It is an outrage!
OT: “When you’ve lost
CronkiteRasmussen, you’ve lost America”:I’m an idiot! Here’s the link!
LOL
Re Hoyer, will his anger over Republican tactics push him to scuttle his moves to introduce immunity for telecoms?
But, Obama’s growing lead simply shows the increasing desperation of his campaign among hardworking American whites.
Make Clusterfuck veto a bill making Good Friday a paid holiday for all americans!!!
That’s the kinda spirit I wanna see on the hill.
Obama’s got the primary in the bag- On to the general.
Goopers are 100% behind Jesus- as long as he doesn’t COST em anything.
this is too much … I mean, seriously, it’s not like a resolution in favor of mother’s day is really the most important thing for the house to be voting on. But, it is funny to see the thugs tie themselves in notes ;)
-Lee
Hugh:
I just want you to know that I appreciate your updates very much. We follow natural gas prices very closely for our clients and they’ve been tracking oil, even if they shouldn’t be linked. It’s really important to emphasize the hedge fund angle for folks–it’s such a huge factor in the price run-up.
notes = knots … (sigh)
I thought that this was about Healthcare then I read the link they really voted against moms? What is Karl, Newt and all the Republican *cough* wisemen thinking?
Or was this something Satan demanded that they do.
I’m serious how does even Pat Buchanan spin a vote against Moms? How do the GOP talking heads explain how this vote helps the GOP politically?
This is the lowest bit of playing politics on a vote for no purpose not even money that I have seen.
I like the first version: had an image of goopers covering themselves with Post-Its.
Goopers may not be doin exactly the right thing if they want to be re-elected?
well, they’d probably do that too if it would help keep the house from doing anything …
Goopers have minds like steel traps- and they keep gettin their feet caught in there- OUCH!
The McBu’ush Maverick:
Spin this away, John.
If the Goopers are stamping their little feet and throwing hissy fits now, wait until after November when they get their asses kicked and turn into a REAL minority party.
There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
…and they gnawed in approval
I love the sound of Goopers wailin and gnashin in the mornin.
What a find!!
McGovern’s switch in support from Clinton to Obama was an important signal. There are probably a lot of Clinton superdelegates who would like to switch but are willing to wait for Clinton to exit the race in her own way. If, however, she lingers, there will be more switching and more internal pressure on her to get out. Another big consideration is that Clinton’s money resources are drying up. The people behind that money have already read the writing on the wall even if Clinton hasn’t. I think we are into the phase where the question will be what sop to Clinton’s ego will be sufficient for her to pack it in. Some of her supporters have no place in an Obama Administration and they know it, but for a lot of others they have got to be thinking about moving on and making up with Obama.
Waylon, Gnash, and Gnaw
New southern western group.
The country equivalent to grunge rock.
You are welcome.
Yeah- the details of when and how she exits are a human interest story- but Obama should just start attacking McBush and ignore her.
I am flabbergasted that the talking heads still only want to talk about Hillary…”Why is she still in?” “When will she quit” “Will she accept and offer for veep”?
Who gives a flyin fuck! She’s yesterdays news!
Republicans, unhappy with the Democratic majority, have been using such procedural tactics as this all week to bring the House to a standstill, but the assault on mothers may have gone too far.
The GOP is angry at the Dems for what its not like the Dems have stoped the war, given us healthcare etc. The Dems could be defunding every bit of pork in every GOP district.
The Dems could be freezing all KBR’s war contracts for electrocuting how many of our solders. Then there is the defective helmet scandal etc we could freeze all those contracts until after an investigation.
We could be doing allot of things but we are not.
And the GOP is unhappy what more do they want?
Speaking of family values…
As much as I’d like to see that happen, I’d much rather see the scofflaws rightfully impeached. Isn’t the purpose of impeachment getting rid of officials who break the law?
It’s because their interests have all been invested in keeping the “horse race” narrative going, because they sure haven’t done diddly on McCain the last few weeks. So long as the horse race continues, they don’t have to, either…and they can continue to get face time if they play up the “will she or won’t she” angle.
Her ego and the perks of the Senate will preclude her ever doing Veep. The Sheikh would never agree to it anyway. Can you imagine? VP Hillary taking every possible opportunity to upstage him and act like she was the de facto Prez. One Cheney has been quite enough, thanks.
“Horse race”…hmmm…oh, a certain tasteless recent tragic analogy begs.
Naw.
And I truly think that the biggest obstacle for Obama is Pres. Bill. He has become so unpredictable, volatile…one never knows what he will say. I think he could possibly undermine any Pres. agenda, maybe without even intending to, or not.
Next on the Republican legislative agenda:
A federally mandated program to manually strangle kittens.
.
Developing story:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._0509.html
Make that an unfunded mandate, too.
Thom Hartmann played the audio of “Mr. I hate Mothers” on his local show this morning. It’ll probably make it on the national show too, which is starting right now.
Excellent…
“So let’s talk about how we can best hold them accountable, since it looks like it’s pretty much up to us…”
The only way “we” can hold them accountable I would think, is to clearly and specifically point out exactly which laws they have broken…and present the evidence that is already out there; the one’s that seem the most obvious are torture, kidnapping, and the destruction of the CIA tapes, and the destruction of the emails in the WH. Hammering the torture story home to the public is the most effective, because it is the most shocking. We cannot let them get away with it — no matter what. JMHO
If this proposed land swap were to go through, I suppose that it will be structured as a Section 1031 exchange, unless some impediment precludes it.
The Clintons time is now over…I have no ill will about them. Now’s the time to talk about the REAL story- Obama and McBush!
This current game of gotcha these idiots are playin is going to come back and bite the when they have to come up for reelection. It’s going to make for some great attack ads. All anyone is going to have to do is publish the voting record.
Don’t worry; according to Hacktacular Howie a couple of days ago, the Chicago Tribune has already ventured there.
Neigh Bobby!
Whoa … !
Rein it in there Bobby or you’ll be saddled with a bad rep.
What if there’s an upset?
We whoan’t know ’til they cross the Finish Line …
Now , please Bobby, don’t bridle at my concern.
A stable society requires patience and and time to see whom we will in-stall as our Champion.
Please don’t horse around with these things, Bobby, they are sacred, and there is still a furlong to go …
Should we reflect on the lies that got us into this endless, illegal war?
HOO-AHHH!!
Yet another Repu’ublicist “unfunded mandate.”
707!
Lets encourage Obama to create a truth and reconciliation commission that could open up the possibility of criminal proceedings. Serious jail time is the only thing that can really restore the constitution now that impeachment is off the table?
That is a great idea.
Let’s get him ELECTED—
Wow! And Valerie meeting with Michelle Obama…
T & R commissions do not lead to criminal charges. Participants trade the truth about an event for an agreement that they will not be charged on the basis of their testimony.
My goal now is to get Obama elected with as large a dem majority behind him as possible so that he can get something done…
My guy didn’t win the primary- but that’s water under the bridge- I refuse to look backwards.
Oh, yeah! Those ads write themselves.
Unfortunately, one of the hallmarks of a “truth and reconciliation commission” (if following the South Africa model) is that no punishment/charges are brought if the evil-doers are honest in recounting the mis-deeds.
Otherwise, what incentive do they have to be honest?
Be not forgettin’ that the Newtster is tellin’ them they’re in trouble. When the Newtster talks, everyone listens. Oh? Well, then, never mind.
Obama will probably turn a bit to the center as the general election approaches- don’t be surprised.
I may be one of the few Americans who still pays attention to the Newter.
I find him highly entertaining.
It’s not the people who would testify who I’d like to see in jail. It’s the Cheneys and Bushes, who would never testify anyway.
Quitcher naggin’, DW.
Wonder if the McBush people have a detailed strategy for disengaging their boy from Clusterfuck? Will be interested to see how subtle they can be.
You mean the guys who walked out on Jackie Speier,
the guys who walked out on the Miers contempt vote,
the ones forcing dems to vote during the Lantos memorial, the ones who continually vote to adjourn all day long,
the ones who are so very very nervous about November?
the ones who go to photo ops with the worst “president” ever?
do they have mothers? I hope they get a big Time Out in November.
And hey pups, I hope you come out of the basement long enough to hug your moms on Sunday. Cheers!
So I guess U.S. soldiers and prisoners at Guantanamo have at least one thing in common. Interesting.
Huffpo.
That’s good….I cannot imagine evil doers Cheney/W admitting any misdeeds. Isn’t W the one who could not recall any mistakes? Of course, he cannot recall much of anything.
No can do, they are joined in a loving embrace forever.
Interesting:
Great observation. Our soldiers are being held prisoners by their own country. How sad is that !
Yes, McBush people have a dedicated phone line to the Original Albatross office…they check in several times a day to get permission to distance themselves.
Thanks largely to FDL, I am a mom who will need to come out of the basement to hug my kids. *g*
I hope that he is looking as closely at the Cindy contributions.
that should be our goal… Dem candidate elected by 60% of the popular vote, 2/3rds majorities in both houses, Bush Dogs and the Constitution State Dog out… think big
Agreed.
Yeah- sadly the would be leader of the free world has ta go ask “mommy may I” to say that some of the decisions of the current prez were less than optimal.
Actually admitting to crimes and getting it all out in the open has got to be cleansing in some way, at least I feel it would be.
I like the idea very much.
LOL, me too.
Another challenge to help make me smart (many have tried, all have failed). What’s the scoop on the sub rosa Obama folks’ talk about helping Hillary repay her debt? Noble notion, I suppose, but as an Obama donor (shallow pockets variety), I find this off-putting — even if she is a mom.
The healing from the primary can start now- and it can start here…
Obsequious beyond words…
Heh. Me too. The lake keeps me sane between poopy diapers and the snack parade.
He’s done it before, he’ll do it again. Senator Obama’s campaign is going to try to declare us all (rethugs and dems) one big happy family.
Me, too. I don’t want the money I sent to Obama to go to Hillary. Don’t want to be mean spirited but why on earth should he pay her campaign debt? I don’t get it.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.co…..oss070125/
June 19, 2007 Senate testimony
http://democrats.senate.gov/jo…..?id=277654
Well it looks like they’re on top of this.
And I have only heard this suggestions from repukes like Tim Russert…what’s up with that?
Having a guy who got most of his donations under $100 repaying a millionaire who won’t go away because they can loan their own campaign $6 mil and keep spending? Doesn’t make any sense at all and I suspect it’s just another attempt to hamper Obama.
Hay! I when I gots the bit in muh mouf …
In-steed ya want me ta pony up to corrallin’ muh thots …
I’ll wither a whey …
But, I declare, I thinkee Obama will whinny …
But that oat to evident …
;~D
could be the basis of a deal though.
Yes. But, I think it is really hard to nail them down with concrete evidence unless we can see emails or witnesses come forward…now all those emails are missing — that should at least fall into the category of destroying presidential records. We know they lied us into war, but we need something that says that they planned to do that. The Downing Street memo is not enough.
I wonder what percentage of the casualties in the last 24 months were in a stop-loss status?
He will only do it if he thinks it’s in his interest to do it..Let’s trust him to do the right thing. You trust him to be president don’t you?
Thus far, at least as far as I’ve heard, it’s all speculation without any confirmation. There are a LOT of rumors swirling around, but no one is confirming anything from any of the campaigns because, as always, if any negotiation/discussion is ongoing, no one is going to confirm it until it’s a done deal. Nothing like screwing talks by talking about them, eh? (I’m sure there are some discussions going on, but about what is anyone’s guess…and I’ve been reading and hearing about a LOT of guessing that I haven’t been able to confirm personally…)
I’m pretty sure he’ll ask her to be VP, and I think she’ll take it.
And that is exactly what I don’t want.
Any conjecturing about what this might mean?
Who, what, where, when?
Is there a role for Edwards in the theory?
I do but I don’t want him to be pressured to give away money he will need in the general.
What leads you to believe this?
BTW, I just submitted a text question on the new Repu’ublicist anti-Obama website “Can We Ask?”
My question:
“Sheikh OsamaBama, whjy are you against hardworking white Americans?”
LOL
(of course, they won’t post it, I’m sure)
You are probably correct. I had thought maybe enough comments had been made by some of the early parties, including McC’s recent war for oil admission….and apparently some of Cheney’s plans had been known for quite some time. Anyway to get them works for me.
Still seems like a bribe, to me.
Besides, when the rest of make mistakes, WE have to PAY for them.
If he’s got to buy off anyone, why not send money to HRC’s supporters?
That would be more honest, and lots of them could use the money.
Bill and the Mrs. are still plenty okay, money wise.
She even considers herself ‘rich’.
But he still has to deal with Bill who would intrude himself everywhere. Ob may be too smart to want that problem with the package.
Because, quite frankly, that is the sure way to beat McCain.
Bill will pipe down when this is all over.
I agree – all he needs is a VP’s spouse who is a loose cannon.
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Citizen rwcole and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Citizen cole, one of the many reasons I like readin’ yer comments is that yer such a repository of good old conventional wisdom. You usually get yer sights zeroed in on things pretty quickly but I think that like many around the country Barak is a bit outta yer range yet. Barak is a master at presenting himself as bein’ square in the middle of “American values”. The vocabulary and syntax he uses remind me that he comes from a tradition that uses language poetically to communicate more’n one message to more’n one listener at the same time. I think that what you are gunna find is that his political values and “aesthetic” are very much New Deal and will resonate with most middle and workin’ class Americans because they, in fact ARE middle of the road in the greater historical and social context. When he says he is “not interested in ideology but in what works” you can take him at his word.
So I guess what I’m sayin’ is he is already in the “center” and while many of the policies and programs he will forward will stimulate a great howling from the fascist wing-nut crowd and may disappoint some on the left as not goin’ far enough fast enough, most of what he runs his campaign on will be right in the middle of what used ta be the middle before Ronnie Reagan pushed the middle off a the right side a the table.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE GOT A LEADER NOW LET’S SHOW HIM WHERE WE WANNA GO!!
The closest thing to evidence is the Downing Street memo..in black and white. We need something like a planning document or exchange of correspondence. They can argue “remarks”. If a couple of people would testify that they witnessed the planning to fix the facts…that might do it.
he could always make Bill VP instead….
Ain’t it so! The rumor mill grinds exceedingly quick and dirty.
Once again, Norske, you’ve pegged it.
Do like the depth and breadth of your perspective.
something I always thought we missed the boat on was calling these instruments “the downing street memo”
the name trivialises the nature of these documents
instead of “downing street memo” we need to refer to these as “the official government documents”
much better
I agree.
If they had come out now, instead of then when everyone was still supporting Bushco, they might have gotten real traction. The whole evidence of the works of Bushco has been behind the curve..they are always a step or two ahead, and no one will stop them in their tracks and hold them accountable…someone should just throw Hugh’s list at them.
How about printing out Hugh’s list..bit by bit…with the appropriate law that’s been broken, next to each item. “Hugh’s Series”…
Yeah- maybe I miss the subtlety of the soaring style- but don’t be surprised if you begin to hear some centerist sentiment soon…Did you miss the obvious patriotic stuff in his last speech? Where was that six months ago?
but they are not ahead of the curve, we just do nothing about it
if these official government documents from england were uncovered now the president would still get a pass
look that that sick fraternity of maniacs called the pnac, with wolfowitz, cheney, rumsfeld listed as member
they even publisized they were going to attack Iraq and we let them do it
I agree, but what I’m saying is that the public sentiment has been behind the curve of their actions…people are still not pissed off enough to do anything concrete…even about torture. They just don’t put the whole story together…if you point it out…you get crickets…or you are a conspiracy theorist…or you’re overreacting…
It is all there, if someone would concisely connect the dots…lay out the truth of all that has happened – cite the laws that have been broken, etc. Show the conspiracy. It is so obvious. Often, it is presented in a much too complicated way, and people’s eyes glaze over.
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Citizen LS:
“I’m pretty sure he’ll ask her to be VP, and I think she’ll take it.”
Usually I agree with you Citizen LS but on this one I think yer missin’ the most important truth about Obama’s candidacy. When he speaks about “politics as usual” and “change” he means it. He’s too smart to let either Mr. Bill or his wife anywhere near the White House unless they’re with a tour. He won’t alienate what remains of her support but he won’t do anything to jeopardize his own either and believe me, Obama loses a lot more than he gains if he has someone with her last name on the ballot.
What he is doin’ now is jest lettin’ her scramble around with her red, white and blue umbrella frantically screaming that the political sky is fallin’ because good, hard workin’ white men won’t vote for a Black man. The more she tries ta intimidate ‘im into givin’ her some cheese (either the VP or a cabinet position) and the longer she strings this out and the more she threatens ta split the party, the more she marginalizes herself and her remainin’ support and the easier it will be for him to slam the door on her political future.
Make no mistake about it, Obama means it when he talks about “change” so he ain’t gunna put a representative of the very forces that got us into this horrendous mess into ANY meaningful position of power. If he does he’s gunna lose this voter and a whole bunch more of his base…unlike Mr. Bill and his wife, Obama knows he can’t alienate the progressive part of his base and take ‘em for granted and still win in November.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND DON’T LET ANY OF THE BASTARDS CLOSE TA THE MONEY AGAIN!!
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Citizen rwcole:
“Did you miss the obvious patriotic stuff in his last speech?”
And jest why is “obvious patriotic stuff” centrist? The “patriotic stuff” he articulated had the clear and direct meaning that folks who don’t support war or fascist economics ARE patriotic. Since when is expressing personal patriotic feelings “centrist” or “conservative”? Good lord, that’s what is so important about Obama’s candidacy, it’s a statement that the patriotism ain’t the exclusive property of right-wing nuts.
This guy is far beyond conventional wisdom…if he moves ta the “center” that you are talkin’ about he will lose BIG to John McCrazy.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THESE BASTARDS ARE DEAD YET!
here’s my hope as far as obama is concerned;
he knows (and might be the only candidate in history by the way who has known this), that he does not need contributions from interests to win relection, he has a root support and can gather more funding then anyone else with it
that will give him more power then anyone who needs corporate contributions
I forget who said it and the exact quote but it goes something like this;
“if you give americans a choice between a republican and a democrat who campaigns with republican issues they will vote for the republican”
I see what your saying…I hope you are right. I just hope that women voters don’t get all insulted and bail. Who do you think Obama could put on the ticket that could really help nail McCain??
this is a great question and I kind of think the obama camp reads here at the lake
we should put an a list together to help him research
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Citizen LS:
(Note: In this comment, Barak Obama’s remaining opponent in the primaries will be referred to as “she who will remain nameless” in order to avoid unseen editing.)
“Who do you think that Obama could put on the ticket that could really help nail McCain?”
AL GORE…at this point Obama doesn’t need ta look for someone who will help expand his base against McCrazy, he jest needs ta make sure he doesn’t choose someone who will alainate the majority he’s already got.
Obama doesn’t win ANYthing by puttin a Repuiblican like she who will remain nameless on the ticket and he loses his ability to govern if he does.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, AND KEEP THESE BASTARDS AWAY FROM OUR KIDS!!
You have it nailed, Citizen perris!
Dana Milbank can’t resist using the MSM’s false “balance”. The “Kerry model” is false to begin with, and has nothing whatever to do with Republican obstructionism.
If Mr. Milbank didn’t filter out his own deep knowledge of DC tribal politics, he would acknowledge that the GOP has throughout the Bush administration consistently refused to endorse any legislation that has substantial backing from Democrats. In fact, this may date back to Newt Gingrich’s regime.
The modern GOP’s meme is that voting with Democrats is leaving money on the table in a hard-fought negotiation. It gives them standing, credit for participating constructively in running the government. To the modern GOP, that’s aiding and abetting the “enemy”. A novel definition for any responsible politician or political party.
Gore might accept, because he could really go full speed ahead on global warming from that position.
We shall see.
1,837 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen rwcole:
The more I read yer post the madder I get…the reason our country is in the tub of shit that it is is that the fascists of the Richard Nixon era succeeded in labelin’ anyone who opposed wars of empire and fascist domestic politics as “unpatriotic”. This became the “when did you stop beating your wife” conventional wisdom and anytime a progressive, liberal or Democrat spoke of personal patriotism they were characterized as lying, pandering or “moving to the center.”
So don’t come inta MY yard with that bullshit…I was a 19 year old, snotty nosed son and granson of socialists who didn’t believe in standing armies let alone the Vietnam War but I went ‘cuz my country drafted me. I didn’t believe in the war then, I didn’t believe in it after it was over and I don’t believe in it now and I have been sayin so for 43 years. And I am a fuckin patriot and I am proud ta say so and there ain’t a capitalist pig out there who dares ta call me anythin’ else.
Jesus that shit makes me mad!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND GET THAT SHIT OUTTA MY YARD!!
you make a valid point but gore would have run for president if he wanted the spot and he knew we yearned for him
I cannot believe he would be vp
ps
I believe gore is the greatest president we’ve ever elected, I am sorry he never served
I’m watching an old 1956 movie with Paul Newman about a Korean war vet who is being court marshaled for treason for breaking under torture as a prisoner of war.It’s called “the rack”.Talk about hippocracy!!