At a time when progressives are calling for unity so that we can get on to the business of ending this mad era of the Bush administration, Sen. Hillary Clinton has unfortunately taken a step in the opposite direction.
Her interview with USA Today, in which she presents herself as the candidate with the "broader base" because Sen. Barack Obama was not getting the support of "hard-working Americans, white Americans," came at the worst possible moment. Her comments were inflammatory at a time when both her supporters and Obama’s need her to be healer.
Jack and Jill Politics points out how out of line her comment was:
This kind of comment is less a description than an agitator, it’s meant to give white voters the impression that they would be "disenfranchised" by an Obama win. It’s a not so subtle effort to evoke racial resentment over Obama’s success.
Their post goes on to cite one reason she should know better: Her own husband in 1996 won re-election even though he only won 43 percent of the white vote overall and only 38 percent of the white male vote. The voters that Clinton says she has that she claims Obama can’t get — in her words to USA Today, "whites … who had not completed college" — have never in recent history been essential to Democrats winning the White House. On the other hand, Democrats are guaranteed to lose when the people who have gravitated to Obama — African Americans and young progressives of all colors — decide to stay home on Election Day.
Clinton has already displayed a disturbing propensity for using the racial divide within the Democratic party to her advantage. The win in Pennsylvania that was crucial to keeping her campaign alive was largely due to the 12 percent of white voters (according to a CNN exit poll) who said that race was a factor in their decision. Seventy-six percent of those voters pulled the lever for Clinton.
The African-American community has roundly rejected her piling on to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy, the racist undertone of her infamous "3 a.m. call" ad and her allowing people like Black (or is it Booty-shaking?) Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson to toss into the fire slanderous innuendos that Clinton’s white surrogates would love to say, but don’t have the, shall we say, "testicular fortitude" to.
The progressive movement and the country cannot afford this. At a time when, as Clinton herself remarked the other night, the division within the Democratic Party needs to be healed, she has torn that wound open again. At the very least, she needs to repudiate the implication of these remarks and apologize to the hard-working African Americans she’s insulted here.
[Pam Spaulding has more.]
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So, Isaiah!
Am I seeing double or have you posted once at 8:30 and another post at 8:44. Trying to double team us, are you, Isaiah Poole?
You can always count on a Clinton to try to be whatever they think you want them to be.
I got pounded on my blog site for saying that HRC scares the hell out of me. Ruthless racist radically self-absorbed. I. Do. Not. Like. Her. Sam. I. Am.
And don’t forget Cliff’s post too.
Isaiah, so glad to have you here. I always enjoy reading your columns. thanks.
I don’t think blue collar workers are any more racist than the rest of us I think they like a person who fights hard Hilary is doing that now.
We have had 2 presidential candidates who did not fight when Bush stole Florida and then Ohio.
However Hilary is fighting with racist attacks is Mark Penn her strategy
guy or Karl Rove. I think you can fight dirty without being racist people like Karl, Penn and Hillary just lack imagination.
“hard working white Americans…”
Unlike those shiftless blacks and hispanics.
That is really pathetic, HRC.
Barack Obama was not getting the support of “hard-working Americans, white Americans,
Whites are the majority the contest is almost over so how then is Obama leading you in the popular vote without hard working whites?
Is Karl doing your “math” homework for you?
I guess she’ll dress like a Nazi if she thinks it’ll help her get the nomination. At least she’s blonde.
Thank goddess that the primary results prove that blue collar workers aren’t buying the race baiting…some probably are, but obviously most of them aren’t.
She is pre-viewing the Gooper strategy…maybe on purpose.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy, the racist undertone of her infamous “3 a.m. call” ad
Hilary is stealing all the attacks McCain wanted his swift boaters to use in the fall I wonder if that was the secret plan?
After all all the shock value of Rev Wright, white voters won’t vote for an African American etc are getting brought out in the open now and being digested and REJECTED BY THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS NOW.
So what will McCain’s swiftboaters have left to lie about?
McCain’s swiftboaters will just make stuff up.
I’m with you! What’s more, I used to be a big fan of the Clintons. But this campaign has been shameful!
Barbara, if you have a blog, why doesn’t it show that you have a url to go to? You might get more traffic, some from here might be inclined to visit if you would let us know how to get there from here.
*raises hand* shiftless here
As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool,
Till you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they’ve tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can’t really function you’re so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free,
But you’re still fucking peasents as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There’s room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.
Dress like a Nazi?
Barbara, why don’t you link your name on FDL to your site?
I love the explanation that he can’t get the hard working whites ( I guess you prius driving, latte drinking eilites don’t work hard) but the blacks would vote for her if she was the nominee. The assumption is also interesting…that is that blue collar whites vote based upon skin color (hence her beating Obama). What happens in the GE against McCain? He is just as white maybe even whiter
(spluttering)…What?
Am I the only one who just returned from the Nederlands of Word Press “Access Denied”…???
Whew….
Is anyone experiencing ‘technical’ difficulties with getting through to FDL?
Very strange LS, very strange.
Can you read me?
A Ok.
Yep.
LS and DWBartoo -
read ya both – got the same message – looks like a behind the curtain issue
Wanted to apologize to everyone for the strange disappearance and reappearance of this post. Isaiah’s new to the crew, and accidentally hit “Publish” before we were ready to actually fit into the schedule and give it an edit. The post has been subsequently edited. — Dave
wow. must have been the hard working white gremlins
I’m scared shiftless.
Can we start talking about misogyny now? I’m getting tired of sexism.
Also, WP has been experiencing difficulties. Other sites have been down during this period as well. And you’ll notice other lingering problems (Isaiah’s mug and ID have temporarily disappeared, for instance). We’re working to fix it all ASAP!
Well, back to HRC…I’ve really refrained from saying anything really negative about her, but I just don’t understand that someone as intelligent as she is would stoop to such disgusting tactics…It is painful.
Is she thinking this stuff up herself? Has she lost her mind and is just following the advice or people who clearly seem to want to destroy her?…in any case, she shouldn’t even have or entertain the kinds of thoughts that lead to the kinds of comments she’s been making. I’m at a loss.
thanks david
wobbs -
you left out “NPR tote totin” – and what an obvious but so far ignored excellent point you make
Glad to know it wasn’t personal…hee, hee…we’ll be patient…the new changes are all for the better in any case…
legacy be damned?
Certainly relieved to learn it was an ‘inside’ job, Dave …
thanks for the addition. i had forgotten about that.
IMO, the best way to respond to Hillary is to ask her what she means by “white?” Does Derek Jeter count? What about ARod? What about Halle Berry? How about Jessica Alba, is she really white? What about Joe Torre? Does Hillary intend to let the Italians “in” too? What about the Irish? Do “the whites” have to let them “in” too? Hitler said the Poles and Russians were not in the club, because they were slavs? Does Hil agree? Does Hillary have a court she can appeal to in case there is a disagreement about who is really “white?” What if Spike Lee asserts that he is “white?” Is Hil going to allow that?
Sorry no question mark. It was a statement.
What does she mean by white?
She didn’t mean the likes of Derek Jeter or Halle Berry because they are exactly like Barack (bi-racial). She said hard working whites. i got what she meant. She is throwing chum into the water
Someone please tell me why she’d do this
http://www.oliverwillis.com/in…..r-clinton/
This is so sad
I think she is stressed, angry, scared and exhausted. And the real Hillary and Hillary’s real beliefs are coming to the surface. She’s not in good enough to censor/edit herself.
At least that is my theory at the moment.
Up until now I gave her (partially) the benefit of the doubt on some of the things she has said. This is utterly beyond the pale.
I haven’t given any money to a Presidential candidate since $100 to Edwards. I may have to throw $20 to Obama as a hardworking “white” man. And I’ll be sure to tell Hillary.
I must say that HRC is dealing very well with things ….
NOT!
Pathetic, sad and quite destructive.
I’m sure glad she’s a ‘grown-up’ and above adolescent petulance …
queue the Jaws music
That was just a accident! You should see what I do to Powerline whenever I’m in a foul mood. If you all ever aggravate me, It’s possible that you’ll get back on! As you can see, all it takes is the inadvertent thought…
the post-Tuesday buzz was to “give Hillary space” to find a way to exit gracefully. she doesn’t seem inclined to make good use of that space.
Never get back on…
You know…it’s almost as if she’s revealing herself….how to explain it? I feel like I’m in a time warp…I’ve had friends who have said for years that “they” are all the same…and I discounted it…it is a little scary.
I can’t think of any circumstance on earth at all that would validate defining working Americans by race…none. Unless…that is what the person making those comments is really thinking.
If she’s revealing those thoughts..then maybe we are lucky that she is now…so, if she ends up as VP nominee…what then? We’d have McCain – racist on the R side, and an apparently racist Dem VP…
Obama, if he is the nominee, should probably not put her on the ticket. I never thought I would say that, but I think the racism is completely unnacceptable.
She’s either racist or stupid.
There are some lazy, shiftless lobbyists working on Hillary’s campaign. The ten million dollar man Mark Penn did not even know about Democratic delegate selection. Maybe, that is because Penn is not a Democrat. Worst campaign ever.
http://www.time.com/time/polit…..31,00.html
Hello, Hillary, if you don’t mind my addressing you so informally …
There are real and serious issues and actual lives at stake.
Do you care?
Thanks for the update. FWIW, cbl used to have a back up place to provide info (browser specific etc). When we’ve had down time before, a lot of use to head over to tnh when emptywheel was there, can’t do that anymore.
my husband just came home from work (Pacific time zone) and said “I’m taking the afternoon off. I don’t want anyone to confuse me with one of those hardworking Hillary supporters.”
I think she’s finally come unhinged.
I guess hiring Mark Penn proves that she’s “educated” but stupid.
Maybe she’s having a nervous, racist breakdown.
To Lurking Moderator,
The website appears to be on the Friz. EW, in particular. Site is popping up with February’s comments instead of May 8th’s.
TQ.
I hesitate in calling her racist but if I have to say that this is another example of poor judgement. Now she has really pissed off a bunch of folks in the party. before this gets any worse, shut it down. is this her grand move? assist him in becoming unelectable? i dunno
On the other hand, her exit may include becoming a Republic. What better way to do that than by race-baiting? It’s not something that can be done gracefully.
I’d let Spike outta this one. He’s already on record with his opinion of Massah Clinton.
707
i just fell off my chair
I suspect that HRC is becoming bitter …
But it was my turn, goddamit !!!
I wuz the frontrunner !!!
her (white) sheets came out of the dryer with static cling
she’s trying to channel George Wallace.
BooRadley: unofficial refuge is http://windcatpond.blogspot.com/
I’m on hold with Senator Clinton’s DC office, (202) 224-4451. I am going to explain to them that I don’t think the ADL (Anti-defamation League) is going to be very happy with her comments about “white” people. A lot of “white” people don’t consider the semitic peoples, ethnic Jews, as “white?”
Well she did say that were she a Repuplic that she would have clinched ‘it’ by now …
I’ve seen you do this before and I like it. If somebody in the MSM doesn’t ask Hillary what she means by white, perhaps FDL and other DFH’s from the tubes ought to ask her. Is Halle Berry white? Is Jessica Alba white? Which whites work hard and which ones do not?
disappointed once again. i wonder how much more chum she will throw in the water before she finally departs
WE must be careful, punaise, or we shall be accussed of suggesting that HRC and her followers are clannish …
Much appreciated.
As you know, I’m a big believer that we’re all one race, the human race.
Thank you. I lost my bookmarks.
they are half white just as obama is so she doesn’t mean them at all. She is going after a certain dempgraphic because WV and Kentucky are coming up. this is calculated. if you don’t see that, take a step back and look at her campaign from Super tuesday on.
that’s nothing. I lost my earmarks.
Well, Boo, if you are going to put it that way.
I’d say you.are.right!!!!
So, Hillary continues to find things that aren’t there.
hehehe
I have earmarks from a lousy barber
I hesitated to call her racist too, but there is no doubt that she is differentiating American voters by citing the color of their skin as a particular “sub-group” of “working Americans”. That is racist in my book.
Is Obama doing the same thing? …is he asking for votes from “black XXXX hard-working American voters”???? If he is, then he’s doing it too, but at the moment I can’t think of an example…maybe he is…I dunno.
McCain already proved his racism…so forget him.
WINNAH!
just got back from a
racistPro Hillary site – izzal about WV and KYand apparently I’m back on double secret commenter probation – anyone else ?
Pastels…
and dear gaia, what does this say to her much vaunted latino bloc ???
I have been on this site for the past year or so commenting on the Clintons. It has not been a pleasant experience because my comments have been negative concerning the Clintons. They are dangerous because they are so shallow and self-serving. Obama has to marginalize them as quickly as possible.
She put aside the dog whistle for the megaphone to scream her racist rant. No help needed, she grew up next
to Skokie and lived in Arkansas for a dcade. It could be the mid phase of a meltdown in public by a major
figure in a political campaign for all the world to see. It is truly sad and damaging to the country for this
personal saga to continue with no end in sight. I hope the meetings going on now can at least moderate the
rhetoric during the remainder of the campaign if not end it soon. Grace under pressure… right. Ready to
handle nukes… right. Bring us together… right.
4biddn axxeSSSS
No, he is doing that whole we-are-more-similar-than-different thing.
It is just very disappointing. Even if she did win the nomination how does she figure to reconcile all of the groups she has been dissin
Ok, I went there to check it out and now, everything is … well … fuchsia, and I’m even more con-fuchsia-ed
IMHO, Hillary is engaging in a very specific vein of racism, “white supremacy.”
A lot of what I call European Americans get a lot of mileage out of calling people like Al Sharpton a racist. I think that impact is blunted when we use more specific language. Sharpton may have made statements that were consistent with black supremacy. Historically, however,it’s the “white supremacists,” who have dominated the United State, politically and economically and driven the discussion.
Calculated? Yikes. That’s even worse.
Bullseye.
looks like I’m in the dog house too… :~(
Ah, ‘normal’ again … well almost … I was nevah ‘normal’ ….
It’s true that Hillary gets more of the white vote- particularly the working white vote- than Obama-
It’s also true that it could be an important difference in the fall- when we get to Ohio and Pennsylvania…
Is it racist to say so?
she never had this latina (i’m young, college educated and have been known to drink lattes and have test driven a prius)
when is hillary going to stop talking out the vent of her pantsuits?
Enough BS already.
I was in a ”healing” mood yesterday when everyone said she was going to stay in order to leave ”gracefully” and with ”respect”. My hubby didn’t buy a minute of it, saying they say this after every primary and come back out swinging.
Haven’t we had enough doubletalk?
Say it isn’t so, two of my favorite all-time commenters.
I agree. She opened her mouth and it came out of it.
On Tweety…Wolfson is spinning like mad….
Ummm..ummm…wh…wh…white…but then 2 seconds later…he starts it allover again.
White voters, white voters, white voters….
Racism.
Is it financial suicide to let a bank fail?
I don’t think Hillary is racist, I think she’ll do whatever it takes to win. Including appealing to racism.
Boxturtle (Wonder what Maggie Williams thinks of that)
Zackly what my hubby said…gee he’s smart!
It was when George Wallace did it 40 years ago.
How do you know you are on “probation”…if you are, I must be…
Scary? maybe bit nonetheless it is a calculated move on her campaign’s part. She knows that she can’t win certain blocks so she is going to play up the bubba vote. But we all know that come the GE, they may vote McCain.
Let’s stop for a moment and consider.
Were HRC to return to her ‘roots’ and join (rejoin?)the Republik Party
would we be any worse off?
“show text” is not working. Just FYI.
I think the “show text” thing is great BTW.
Xactly.
I think Obama is very smart to go after the young, urban vote – both for his own success and the future of the party.
Lots of ways to slice the demographics, and I am getting pretty damn sick of seeing it sliced along racial lines.
No, she is already there, it is just that quite a few Democrats do not realize it.
has anyone else commented on the fact that a lot of goopers including bubbas are so disgusted with their party they will vote for Hillary? I mean she just one step away from being R that it isn’t that much of a stretch. But I don’t think those that vote for her in the primary due to their disgust will stop being disgusted if she’s not the nominee.
just a thought.
This hard-working older white female wasn’t supporting Clinton before. I may send Obama some green, though, after that piece o’cr*p.
She’s toast. Someone have some butter and cinnamon sugar?
was getting the “your comments are awaiting moderator approval” message
freaked out a little when it happened a few weeks back – cast out – oy
It’s a huge slap in the face to liberals/progressives. She’s dragging the entire Democratic party back towards the extreme right. Obama has no choice but to follow.
I suspect all of their hard behind the curtain was just rolled back by a Wordpress “upgrade” :o(
Wolfson’s eyes seem to be betraying him…he looks to the left and blinks while he states that HRC is staying in to the end…
Yes and may I say that I think people of all color are tired of being lumped into one big fat group as though they all think alike. Now that’s racist!
I think her plan is to make Obama unelectable so the supers HAVE to select her. I’ve felt that ever since Super Tuesday made the depth of Obamas support clear.
Boxturtle (And we continue to feed on ourselves)
they have been parcing the votes to see where demographic strenghts and weaknesses lie. She is using a demographic to pitch her argument to the sups as to why she should win the nomination (goes to electability) but her argument is based upon a skin color argument and the assumption that Obama could not win over these people (once agbain based on skin color) and that in the GE they wouldn’t cast their votes for McCain.
it’s the equivalent of intellectual bullshit
I want to thank you for your extremely kind comments at the end of last night’s thread. I didn’t see them until this morning.
No, no, no…that just means something got caught in the filters…
She also can’t let in Ann Curry or Tiger Woods. Not to mention their children!
Oh, well, if Jack and Jill say it, it must be true. Because she just has so much to gain by alienating African-American voters. It couldn’t possibly be the case that she was pointing out some data trend that is like a canary in the coalmine for Obama.
I said once before, and will say again here, that the difference between a “real” racist and a person who appeals to racism for political expediency is slight enough that I’m willing to ignore it.
what does the Clintons’ surrogate Paglia mean by “eggheads and african americans” My friend is Haitian, black, and she does not consider herself to be an “aFRICAN aMERICAN”
Good point. Her interview wherein she states superdelegates know the candidates so much better and are better informed, yada yada yada, is an indicator of that strategy. At the very least she is going to leverage whatever she has for her own advantage for The Clinton Brand and is NOT thinking about the people but about the power. Period.
I haven’t because she differentiated between independents and dems voting fo rher. I can extrapolate that to mean that because she did not combine indep and dems, she was not talking about repugs in this talk of ‘hard working whites’
It will get worked out I’m sure. They’ve done a great job upgrading the site. Don’t forget to check out Cliff’s posts too. *g*
Also true. Lumping people together based on race leaves out education, social class, regions of the country, upbringing, age, rural/urban and a thousand other factors that make people who they are.
Bubbles Bernanke and Barney Frank will keep banks afloat no matter the cost.
That’s why banks fail.
If banks could fail, they wouldn’t be broke.
1,836 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Isaiah Poole and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
(Note: Barak Obama’s opponent in the Democratic primary will be referred to in this comment as “she who will remain nameless” in order to avoid unauditable editing.)
One of the political pimps for “she who will remain nameless”, that great oracle from the shithouse Rahm Emmanuel, has been quoted as sayin’ “the way the loser loses will determine whether or not the winner wins in November”. Until today I was foolishly neive enough to think that that was jest an openin’ shot in negotiations for she who will remain nameless to concede and support the presumptive nominee. Now I know better and I’m mad as hell.
If we put the pieces together, the contracting of support from Rupert Murdock through a $4million contribution to Mr. Bill’s library and the subsequent apprearances on Faux News, Terry McCauliff’s promotional ad for the Fox network, the soliciting of support from Richard Scaife in Pennsylavania, and the transparent use gender and class to triagulate and marginalize Obama’s Black support not only in Pennsylvania and Indiana but in North Carolina to poison the well for Obama in the general election…if we put all these together we can now say that she who should remain nameless in history forever is not only not a Democrat but is a tool for the ruling corporate oligarchy and is so indebted to them that she can not drop out of the race before the convention in Denver or they will foreclose on her campaign debt and she and Bill will lose a good chunck of the $100+million they have made in the last few years.
The only way the Democratic Party survives this now insurgent right-wing attack on the party base is for those who have marched up to this cliff behind the junior senator from New York to wake up and publicly renounce her and for the Democratic Party elders and the super delegates to move before the end of next week to close out her candidacy.
In my opinion, the only healing of this triangulation and attempted splintering of the Democratic base can be accomplished by the senior party leadership to consolidate IMMEDIATELY behind Obama and for a strong and unifying VP candidate like Al Gore. Make no mistake, the actions of she who will remain nameless are a declaration of a war of attrition against the Democratic Party.
Where are all you people now who were claimin’ that anyone who didn’t support the junior senator from New York was a misogynist? I think that it is clear now that the use of race and gender to split the middle and workin’ class is bein’ carried on at the direction of the ruling fascist oligarchy and it will continue thru November. The question is, will the Democratic Party reject this attack and purge the party of she who will remain nameless and everyone associated with her and Mr.Bill?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, AND DON’T WAIT FOR AN APOLOGY!!
Indeed. Racist actions come from racist views – conscious or unconsious.
At least we all know now that the Clintons care only about the Clintons. The “I feel your pain” shtick is finally dead.
He won’t follow. he doesn’t need to. His braod support speaks for him and against what she is trying to do. Let her completely dismantle and foul her legacy. I’m not playing along and I suspect many others aren’t as well.
She made a mistake talking about it in the way she did- but in fact the biggest issue about an Obama candidacy is whether he can get enough of the working class white vote to win- and ONE of the biggest questions about a Clinton candidacy is whether she can get enough African American vote to win.
You mean Camille Paglia? Oh please.
The only reason she said “eggheads and AAs” is because it’s so alliterative. she’s just so damn clever I wish she was in my book club. /s
When I first read Hillarys comment, I thought that it simply couldn’t be true. I figured it was some wingnut setup.
I’ve said before that if Hillary loses, her first phone call will be to Obama “Congrats. What do you need and how can I help”. I still think that, but if Obama hung up on her I’m not sure I can blame him.
I think Hillary’s run is dead, any chance she had died with that comment. SHE may not need the black vote, but almost every other Dem does…and knows it.
Boxturtle (She might have trouble retaining her senate seat, too)
“foul her legacy”
You mean like she’s peeing in her own tent? That about sums it up. Who needs enemies when you can self destruct?
No I mean the guy who used to be on crossfire, another Clinton flake. Not Camille.
.
me too. thought it was kabuki to cover said behind the scenes inter-campaign negotiations – esp. campaign debt – but I’m with you now
You have it exactly right again Citizn Norske.
Haitians have a different history. The Africans were brought to Hispanola as slaves and the French slaves overthrew their oppressors. Totally different identity.
Michael Kingsley
I am on the phone with my dad and asked him if he was being a eice hard working white hillary supporter. He said he is a hard working white volunterr for Obama (go papa).
O/T the fat wobbly one (Rush) says that operation chaos has been a success and now they are going to side with Obama.
it was Paul Begala, not Camille Paglia
Barack could outflank her on this by asking the Northern states to give back the Confederage battle flags they captured during the Civil War. It’s my understand that the Northern states refuse to do this.
I’m interested if someone knows more?
If Hillary had been smart, this would have been a much better way to stir the ethnic pot, than saying “whites.” Those battle flags are code to Southern Democrats. Liberal European Americans north of the Mason Dixon line wouldn’t have picked up on it as much.
But that is not HIS argument and that should not be hers as far as party politics because either way, the party has to be reunited and when you throw chum in the water, it’s impossible to pull the sharks back
Just lost it to the ether!!
You are welcome, of course, SD, but it is I who thank you.
A serious discussion about the ‘Military-Industrial-Congressional-Complex’ is long overdue.
I should like to see you and eCHAN central in that debate.
We MUST speak to the truth. And you consistently do so …
You are right.
why? why are we bringing more flags into the equation? He doesn’t need to counter her onthis. the best thing he can do right now is nothing. Let her keep trying to ‘clarify’ what she means and sink that foot further in her mouth
Yeah- of course HE doesn’t NEED to make an argument- she BADLY does- but I agree- this will stir up a ton of shit.
I agree. I’ve been a supporter for so long and this just doesn’t make much sense EXCEPT, she picked up on the language of the pollsters who have been telling us for weeks that the only people voting for Hill are elderly women and the undereducated working-class white people. And it just so happens that without that group, the Democrats do NOT win.
Are they voting with Hill because she’s white or because she’s experienced? She mentioned “white” because that’s what the pollsters are telling us. Is it really racism or is it because they trust her more?
I know that when the republicans frame this it sounds racist. When I look around for the reasons I find she is only repeating what all the pundits are saying all the time. However, it seems she should have tried harder to make herself clear since “racism” is the elephant in the corner — something she and Bill seem not to understand.
Maybe I’m giving her too much of the benefit of the doubt, but she’s never acted racist before.
By the way, I’m insulted as well. I’m not a racist. I didn’t vote against Obama — I voted for Hillary in the primary.
I agree with you, wobbly.
no not him,
I visit here as it is my refuge from places consumed by the Primary…
However,; sometimes it must be raised.
Sen. Clinton’s remarks to USA Today…require a response.
It is not the messenger…it is the message.
It is time to pressure the SD’s in our State as we have and will with our Rep’s on important vote. Ask them the tough questions and ask where they come down.
tap yer toes…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZJ-kLKut9E
Her best argument is simple:
“We can’t win the White House without Ohio and Obama is trailing in Ohio.”
I’ll go out on a limb here….it is my humble opinion that Barack Obama should call the Clintons out on their race baiting. Call them on it. Disown them, and choose someone capable to help run the country as a VP who is capable and not racist…female or male…I don’t care, because that is the same thing…pick the most capable person that could step in if the President cannot serve.
I want this country to survive, and I want this country to rise up above the despicable antics of the Neocons and the Old Guard. Purge them out.
No more. Choose someone strong, smart, and capable. Period.
I’ve had it.
Most of my friends prefer to be called black because naturalized citizens from Africa would be african americans
It is supposed to capture those that are descendents of slaves from the u.s.
Hence, haitians, jamiacans, etc aren’t african american. They are of african descent but as anthropology and biology has shown us, we are all of african descent
Am off to a Phil Lesh show in Denver..
Remember
http://icasualties.org/oif/
tap yer toes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dr05tXktSo
That to me is a weak argument. She is no more guaranteed to win OH in the GE. the dem nominee is going to have a lot of work to do and must campaign in all 50 states hence ending this now
thanks nogo. you have a good point
More truthin’, Wobbly.
Tell it as it truly is.
It is really sad isn’t it.
I’m a woman, but I don’t want a woman as President who can’t think for herself. She’s either parroting what they are telling her or she’s not.
I’m done with her. I would love to see a woman as President, but I don’t want a woman who differentiates factions of the country in order to get votes because of the color of their skin, and who listens to her “advisors” to the extent that she would make those types of remarks. That is antique thinking. We are better than that.
Ding!
We’re all African American by genetics.
It is all so absurd, isn’t it…
amen and amen
‘patently’ absurd … LS
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Citizen rwcole:
“…in fact the biggest issue about an Obama candidacy is whether he can get enough of the working class vote to win…”
That of course is the point of this racist attack by she who will remain nameless, isn’t it? In fact, go visit Kos from earlier today, Obama right now is doin’ jest as well as Kerry did with white, male workin’ class folks and that doesn’t take into account the incredible expansion of the registered base of the party. This would not even be an issue if Obama’s opponent conceded gracefully and with whatever appearance of class she can summon and went hard in her endorsement…of course that won’t happen now but I’m not certain it’s gunna work. The great mass of real people in the country are hurtin’ from a contrived and calculated war and economic crisis, I’m bettin’ on the intelligence of the American people to be able to make their political choices this time out of their personal experience and not out of fear.
By the way Citizen Cole, remember almost 4 years ago when I toldja that Bush’s fascist voting base was between 17-25%…how am I doin’ today?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, AND DON’T MAKE SELF-FULLFILLING PROPHACIES COME TRUE!!
The strength of the argument depends on the polls in Ohio (and Pennsylvania) at the time the argument is made…you can bet that the superdelegates are thinking about it- whether they say so or not.
Yeah- you about nailed it with Bush supporters.
It’s an amazing two-fer. Non-whites aren’t hardworking. And blue collar whites are racist.
Thanks Norske, you beat me to it! I was going to mention the post by the Great Orange Satan as well.
Also, I would comment that SHE insists that the Dems must win Ohio to win the election. However, she’s using the “old math”…when you’re using a 50 state strategy, the “old math” doesn’t necessarily apply…just sayin’…
I don’t understand why she retains any following in doing what she’s doing, but she does. Just based on the fact that they continue to stay with her, and the viewpoints expressed by the few on FDL who remain loyal Clinton followers, it seems to me that we might as well start thinking up names for the two wings which used to be the Democratic Party. Maybe we can limit McCain to one term.
Democrats didn’t “need” to pass the AUMF against Iraq.
Hillary just opened to the door for McCain to talk about “white” people any time he wants. She makes it “fair game” for all Republicans. As Hil and Bill both know, this helps McCain a lot more than it helps Hillary.
Barack isn’t responding to Hillary, he’s responding to McSane. The SD’s want to know how he’ll respond when McCain does it.
it’s too early to poll for the GE when the dems ae still campaigning in the primary.
You spoke of the collective soul…
We say that some can’t see the forest for the trees. I think, more importantly, that we should (there’s a “should” for ya) look at the relationship between the trees and the forest. When I look in the mirror each morning I have to examine my relationship to all other living creatures on our precious planet. I make every attempt to “see” things in that context.
Yes HRC has waded in pretty deep. Deep into … what did ‘Poppy’ Bu$h call it … um … deep … oh, right … “do-do”.
Gonna come out smellin’ like a …
All Obama need do is keep his cool … and stay on his toes.
Remember ALI, “float like a butterfly …
we are all octaroooooons!!!!
or was it macaroooooooooons?
Much appreciated.
I hope you’ll call one of her offices.
such good advice,and can i say JEEEEEEEEEBUS hisself was a semitic dark man,shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
I know that about you SD, and I appreciate how you can reach Raven, for example, when I’ve unintentionally offended him …
I appreciate your ‘grasp’, and humanity very much …
You were great on Siun’s post last evening.
you are a real LORD BYRON you is
he has already had to deal with this vis-a-vis Wright, race speech, etc. What are they waiting for? Someone to call hi the dreaded n-word to his face?
Sad comment but potentially very true. The Clintons have so distorted the Democratic Party for their own personal and petty goals with no real catch on until Obama. I believe he is sincere and very capable. It is just that folks need to realize they have been ripped off by the Clintons for a very long time and we all need to move on and away from the Clintons. But will they make that possible, I don’t know. There are so many people I respect who are still for the Clintons, my 86 year old Aunt etc. She just sees it as a woman being elected President, period. But I think she is catching on too. She told me yesterday she was really astounded that the Clintons were behind that gas tax scam as she referred to it.
i hate to tell yall we share 50% the SAME genetic material as Bananas …no shiite!
That was a very difficult comment section for me. If you picked up my main answer to Raven I hope you understood.
That was my first take on the quote, too.
I can also see, reading the sentence, how she MAY have meant to imply a conjunction – as in, “hard-working Americans AND white Americans.” I talk like that sometimes, assuming the “and” is understood.
But I do not make political speeches. I’d trip up in no time, thinking something I don’t actually say.
So, she should know better, with all her “experience.”
And that’s IF we assume the above explanation/rationalization is right.
It’s hard not to wonder if what she meant isn’t what we’ere all hearing.
sigh. I used to admire her. But I’ve been for Obama since shortly after Edwards threw in the towel.
I believe it…we are all connected on every single level.
*g*
Well that’s appealing, I think.
i also dont believe the meme that she is sooooooo smart anymore
Yes,
oh and I understand what your saying but the problem is that Mccainisn’t the one saying it, Hillary (a dem) is saying it
I saw the true measure of you, right then, SoutherDragon.
And continue to grow in respect for you as you reveal yourself to those who notice.
Yep,it’s escalation. They’re trying to “hook” him into responding with something stupid.
Joe Biden started the most recent round with his Obama is “clean and articulate.” When Democrats didn’t slap Joe, Lieberman pushed it a little further: “are you a Jesse Jackson Democrat or a Bill Clinton Democrat?” Hillary using the term “white” voter, was just the next step in escalation. Maybe the next step is to call Barack a “good boy?”
i kinda like bananas..”g”
great vibes
Is she suggesting that voters outside that specified (and ill-defined) demographic do not work hard? Her comments are perhaps the most offensive of her entire campaign (or political life). It’s also upsetting that she feels comfortable questioning Obama’s ability to get the so-called white vote. She is not so uncomfortable with her more striking inability to win the African-American vote. How low can she go? She is doing a political limbo dance. Or Limbaugh dance.
Banana pancakes?
yes BHO ,just needs to stay on point,and say it aint about me,its about US
“Ba Moui Ba”
DONT START…….dare i say BROWN ….suga?
oh dayuuuuum ,now i know what dinner will be..with Vietnamese cinnamon
could be but he would be foolish to respond to this. He made his speech on race and it is one of inclusion she wants to exclude but scream that she is a unifier. whateveh
who knows. it’s all really sad
Did ya know it’s now made in France by Heineken? Can’t get it here because they won’t ship it to countries where it complete with Heineken. Wasn’t much to my taste but when in Rome… Better than the formaldehyde-loaded Schlitz at the clubs on base, though.
I’m workin’ on my tan. This is Florida, after all. Can’t go around like the Yankees, lookin’ all fish belly white.
You made a terrific point about the “hard working,” part.
I don’t if anyone mentioned it, before you, thank you.
Haven’t had a belt in 15 years but I thought I’d throw it out there.
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Don’t fall back in fear from the right-wing talkin’ point that questions “whether Obama can get enough of the working class vote to win”…we have a candidate who has figured out how to beat the politics of fear, racism and sexism. He knows how to ORGANIZE and speak directly to the common American’s experience, hopes and dreams. He is building a trans-racial coalition that will put the old New Deal coalition back together without the Dixiecrats. This is a fact,Jack, and that’s why the blatant racial attacks aren’t gunna work.
The people who have been betrayed by Mr. Bill and his mendacious wife must be given space to step back from the precipice to which they’ve been led and direct their anger not against their brothers and sisters but at the liar and charlatan who conned ‘em. I’m not gunna try and extract a pound of flesh here but I think that there are those out there in our FDL community who need ta make a public act of concilliation if not contrition for advancing the mendacious and corrupting lies of the campaign of she who will remain nameless.
We have to remember the lesson of those heroes in our history, the lesson that Barak Obama has learned and applied so successfully, and that is: ORGANIZE,ORGANIZE ORGANIZE!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, AND I AIN’T TAKIN’ ANYMORE SHIT FROM ANYONE!!
I think he is doing the right thing – act like the Dem candidate and let her continue to shoot herself in the foot.
Mine are few and far between. Just kinda lost the taste…
in the hoof
the sun and i have ended our lengthy love affair by the scalpel,and laser…literally….stuff grows good on me,not like McSame however…
ya no more BIKINI TENNIS “g”
There was a nurse I worked with at the VA. Right after “Dances With Wolves” came out it was the thing to give folks Indian-type names. One of the shrinks was “Bleeding Heart Buffalo” and this particular nurse was “Pear Who Walks.” When I see Clinton I’m reminded of her.
hahahaahahahaha
evrybody i love got some of this for XMAS ….
good stuff simple too
http://www.chguenther.com/Cons…..oneer.aspx
lol that is just wrong
“Pear who walks” – I resemble that!
That was very, very funny.
well this is from bleeding- heartkittykat
http://www.johnnyjet.com/image…..cakes3.JPG
And I managed to ignore the reference to a “broader base” this whole time.
I get all my stuff from the bulk bins at the natural food store. Cheaper. My grandmother taught me how to make silver dollar pancakes to die for. Light and slightly crisp around the edges. It’s either that or a Belgian waffle. Love that butter and maple syrup but gotta have sumpin’ to put ‘em on.
Yeah, I know. I’m goin’ to hell.
Isaiah,
Welcome to FDL!
Thank you for this unhappy news. What has happened to the Hillary that I once thought I knew and loved? This is despicable.
So she now wants the Supers to vote for her because she can get more bigots to vote for her?
Sad. Very sad.
Bob in HI
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Citizen Fern:
“I think he is doing the right thing – act like the Dem candidate and let her shoot herself in the foot.”
That is what Barak must do but that is not enough… he has said that this campaign is not about Barak Obama but about US…and that means that WE are the ones that need to step up to the firing line in front of our leader and shoot back at the racist and sexist liars of whom the junior senator from New york is one. We must relearn the lessons we have forgotten that the union organizers and the mine workers and the Pullman Car workers and the steele workers in the 1920’s and ’30’s passed on to us…a movement is made up of PEOPLE not leaders, leaders can be replaced as long as the people in the movement stand together. This is our moment, Sister Fern, we have a leader for our movement, now we need to get out in front of him and ORGANIZE,ORGANIZE ORGANIZE!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THEY CAN’T BEAT US IF WE HANG TOGETHER!!
“WHITE”?
People aren’t “WHITE” …
Sheets are white (unless they are “colored”)
Now shades of “GRAY”, sure, some folks is that way …
Hell, my hair is gray, what there is of it, and the rest of me is ALL-American Mongrel …
What is this “WHITE” stuff?
A snow-job, eh, Hilarious?
BTW, Bill’s looking a wee tad bit RED these days, must be the medication, huh? Further, BTW, who paid for the Bill’s operation? Wanna guess?
Why don’t you talk about what people actually NEED, Hillary?
Why don’t you talk about all that’s been destroyed over the last seven-plus years?
Well, Hillary, What have you to say, for yourself?
lol you and your pancakes
Kitty med time. Back in a few.
Me too. Much better company.
{{{{{{{{{{Belgian Waffles}}}}}}}}}}}}}on every streetcorner in Brussels,i try to duplicate
I respectfully suggests that the white people she is talking about know exactly what she means.
“The ONLY reason that her [Hillary Clinton] voters will not support Obama is because he’s black.”
Dick Morris
On FOX News just now
Okay, WHICH campaign is playing the race card continually?
Not ruling out fighting back on this – just it’s not his job to do it right now.
i ALWYS SAY…if your healthy…WE ARE ALL PINK INSIDE…if not well
maybe she should have said hard working melanin challenged people?
Obama, silly – he keeps showing up with that brown face.
Look I didn’t voting for Obama for a lot of reasons, and none of them have to done with his race.
I’m certain you is correctish in your suggestion.
Suspicious, ain’i it?
sorry wrong tense, do
What is it with his face anyway – just noticed on Tuesday.
I once read a report which referred to “people of non-color.” I edited it to read, “people of a pinkish hew.”
However, I wish this was actually something to joke about. I’m afraid it may prove fatal for any chances of starting to save everything the Bush crowd has brought low. Talk about a perfect storm.
When I lived in Europe, I loved the fries (red and white) and crepes with nutella (drool)
I am determined to learn how to spellerate correctly, even If I have to live to be a hunert.
So! There! You little letters, get in your proper place or I’ll cross ya and dot ya and erase ya, ya bums…
honkies, chucks, t-shirts, ofays, grey mofo’s. . .
Correction; hue
Fearing a blood-bath, he suggested, perhaps you mean “hue”?
Bob in HI
Yes! This is why I said I was proud of my state voting in such numbers for Barack.
Dang, Crosstimbers corrected himself/herself a minute ahead of me. I owe him/her a coke, or maybe a Beamish.
Bob in HI
I’m a lil more optimistic. We can’t worry about the bubba vote. It’s about the issues and ALL people can related to economic issues. That is where you build that bridge.
There was a guy at one of our Memorial Day campouts with 101st Abn. Fu Buy and Way!
On his truck.
I’ve got a single-waffle maker that’s the best I’ve ever used. Topped with fresh strawberries during the season…
I’ve been to Hue.
707
hehehehe I have never heard of some of those.
I’ve been to Fuy Buy!
Phu Bai and Hue, the dude was on of those blue collar grunts.
A Pukin’ Buzzard. Why am I not surprised?
Me two.
strawberriy plants were25 cents at lowes the other day i bought 50fingers Xed
Season’s over here. And I refuse to eat frozen. Absolutely no taste. Like eatin’ mushy tofu coloured red.
Memo to self – do not try to make jokes about race.
Fu Kwok (Phu Quoc)
I can’t stop laughing. That’s just too fuckin’ funny.
we know it was snark
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Citizen Fern:
It is NOT Obama’s job to fight back against this racism…it is OUR job to get out in front of him and take down the campaign of the racist junior senator from New York. I’m white and I’m mad as hell at this fascist tactic. I’m male and I’m made as hell at this fascist tactic. I’m working class and I’m mad as hell at this fascist tactic. And my 83 year old mother, my wife and my two daughters are mad as hell at this fascist tactic. I’m steppin’ up my local Dem Party work and my contributions. Where are YOU Fern…are you learnin’ what it means to be part of a movement and part of your own history?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, BARAK CAN’T WIN ANYTHING BUT WE CAN!!!
“Well, back to HRC…I’ve really refrained from saying anything really negative about her, but I just don’t understand that someone as intelligent as she is would stoop to such disgusting tactics…It is painful.” LS
Intelligence has nothing to do with it IMNSHO. She’s a ruthless narcissist with a lust for power so great, she’ll do anything to win and failing that, to screw it up for the winner so that she can run in 2012.
Where am I? In Canada – thus making any financial contributions I make to an American election campaign illegal.
Plus she believes her own progaganda. Generally a dangerous thing.
NARCISSIST! BINGO!!!
That is what the person in question is, precisely
Appreciate all of you good and thoughtful folk up thataway.
Thanks for caring about us, Fern, we’ve not many friends left in the world, these days.
And as much as that sad problem (believing her own propaganda), I have come to believe that it’s impossible to make a deal with narcissists, addicts or alcoholics and probably other nut cases. They will lie their way into the deals and then do whatever strikes their fancy at another moment.
Yup.
True. I’m finding this very sad to watch.
I am going to assume that the Obama camp is smarter than I was in my youth, and that they know she is likely not to live up to agreements.
Interesting development I saw at Americablog: Washington Times has dredged up Whitewater!
As she sows, so shall she reap.