Pablo Klaatu Hussein Dobbs Obama
Last night’s results apparently mean that it is almost all over but the wanking.
It is now that sacred time in the election cycle in which the Republicans are allowed to focus their efforts on spreading stories of Barack Obama’s secret "Illegal Space-Alien-Undocumented Mexican, Islamic, six-fingered, love-child…BATBOY!"
Which also means, for us Democrats, it is time to sing, time for us, the greatest political party on Earth…or various other planets…to once again come together and show the world we can make the most sincere and treacly commercials ever made by an imperial power AND elect a Democrat President. Suck. On. This. Andorra!
For example, some of us remember, the commercial that ended the bombing of Cambodia, Vietnam, the GOP, and of course, Pepsi. Thank you Faux Hippies.
Time to start up the debate about which awesome, yet completely non-offensive, individual with a mysterious past in what Steve Doocy will call a "madrassa", Obama will pick as Vice-President. Your nominations please.
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Hi Attaturk.
I think he should pick Christy as VP. But since she said she will not run or serve, then perhaps Sen. Webb. Or John Edwards. Someone Southern, but not necessarily a senator.
Hi.
Sorry for the bizarre post, but less sleep than usual and the caffeine high forced me into it. Hopefully, it works.
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Citizen Attaturk and the crazy Early Mornin’ Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“Time ta start up the debate about which awesome…individual…Obama will pick as his Vice-President.”
Al Gore!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE GOTTA GET THIS GUY’S BACK!!!
Do we ever.
nite you Patriots.
Tomorrow we saddle-up for real.
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Watch out Raven…somebody might hear ya and wonder which one yer talkin’ about!!
Night Newt.
John Edwards, if he’s interested. Working folks. Southerners. … Plus insurance against right-wing assassins. Don’t pick anyone they might prefer.
And now g’nite for real.
What did Andorra ever do to you Attaturk?
Let’s be very careful with the disaster scenarios.
Now that Obama is the presumptive nominee, I think some level of disaster may have been deserted.
Apparently, this theme has me hopped-up on the goofballs.
http://rising-hegemon.blogspot…..andal.html
damn! I love that prairie dog!!
Now now, there there
very odd!
Gopher Kong
Here’s my nominations:
First, I wish he’d pick John Edwards, but he won’t. Not good strategy.
Strategy-wise, I’d suggest someone who is White (to help reassure the blue collar workers that he’s been losing to Hillary), and has good foreign policy credentials, preferably from Ohio or Pennsylvania, and who has “gravitas” is more “mature” but not perceived as “old.”
These come to mind:
Joe Biden (FoPo experience)
Chris Dodd
Hmm. I don’t have the time to think. Need to do some serious snoring.
Bob in HI
“Last night’s results apparently mean that it is almost all over but the wanking.” Not quite. Don’t be lulled into thinking something positive about the democratic primaries ending. Hillary will never concede. Her intentions are to eff up the convention. She’s too Machiavellian to let facts and numbers impede her.
It’s always good to see my fellow West Virginian, Bat Boy!
Colin Powell for Obama’s vp. He has the gravitas, he knows where the bodies are buried, and I think he has a very deep desire to try to fix the wrongs committed by the Bush administration.
morning. i don’t have any vp nominations…. other than please, please not a clinton.
Sleep Bob.
amen!
No fucking way
Um, I like John Edwards for Attorney General. Does that count?
So where ya putting Pat Fitzgerald?
hmm
Supreme Court?
Alongside LHP, of course and Mary.
and I’m only leaving out christy because someone said she wouldn’t serve…
Mary? Or Marcy?
Mary – from a long time back in FDL time. Marcy isn’t a lawyer, is she? I thought she was a business consultant…
IF she is a lawyer I apologize. I always appreciated her other talents, like pie.
Marcy is not an attorney, just an extraordinary intellect.
Good morning all.
uh, as I was telling someone earlier this eve, a friend of mine put forth the idea that Sam Nunn would be Obama’s VP nomination. Ponder that!
Morning.
Well my pain medicine is helping a bit. Going to try to get some more sleep.
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Citizen Bobzim:
“Colin Powell for Obama’s VP. He has the gravitas. He knows where the bodies are buried…”
Oh Jesus, he has been bagman for two fuckin’ disasterous wars of empire and occupation. He has helped fuck up more one car junk yards than any other bagman-house servant and yes he knows where the bodies are buried ‘cuz he buried some of ‘em. He did his best impression of Michaelangelo and put a coat a whitewash on one of the most horrific massacures of the Vietnam war….no, Colin Powell has done enough damage.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE GOT A LEADER NOW WE GOTTA RUN POINT FOR ‘IM!!
HELL NO!!
please no.
Y zat?
hey VG – good to see you, it’s been awhile.
Welcome back Citizen Valley Girl…where ya been sister?
Point, drag and slack,
A) Powell did everything he could short of resigning to stop the Iraq War.
B) He was a soldier, and if you’ve ever been in the military, you know that that requires one to do some serious moralistic rationalizing.
C) Obama will have to have moderate Republicans accepting high ranking positions in his administration very soon or he eaves himself open to foreign policy attacks.
Colin Powell should at least be Secretary of Defense, but I think vp would be better.
If it were up to me it would be John Edwards.
Norske and others- I been off focusing on the travails of academic duty- Freshman Seminar with general theme of “science and the citizen”. At least they all hate Bush, but I had to do damage control on other contentious topics, that damage control one my part still hugely consuming.
You have no idea who you are talking too bubbah.
I really haven’t heard a viable suggestion as to Obama’s VP, but this is a question I have been asking myself for months.
howdy bobzim
A1.. he could have refused to lie to the american people and he could have refused to lie at the UN.
A2. he could have told the american people the truth.
B. he was secretary of state. that is a civilian position. if he can’t leave his military rationalizations behind then as SOS, then i don’t see how he can be trusted to do that as VP.
C. because the Rs have shown how competent their foreign policy is, the Ds had better follow their lead.
He returned to Vietnam from 1968 to 1969 where he served as the executive officer and later as the assistant chief of staff of operations for the Americal Division (the 23rd Infantry Division) with the rank of Major, was charged with investigating a detailed letter by Tom Glen (a soldier from the 11th Light Infantry Brigade), which backed up rumored allegations of the My Lai Massacre. Powell wrote: “In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent.” Later, Powell’s assessment would be described as whitewashing the news of the massacre, and questions would continue to remain undisclosed to the public
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“Powell did everything he could short of resigning to stop the Iraq war.”
Now help me out here…who was it that stood before the United Nations and spoke of the aluminum tubes and the advanced weapons and biological instruments? No Citizen, Colin Powell was a bagman for the Iraq war jest like he was a bagman for Vietnam. Once he found out that the information he used at the UN was known ta be fake he shoulda resigned immediately…he didn’t becuase that’s not what bagmen do.
KEEP THE FAITH THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD CANDIDATES, WE DON’T NEED EMPTY SUITS WITH BAGGAGE!!
edwards works for me.
uh, hey Raven- you up early and I up late, Georgia Daylight Time. Yep ;)
Bout normal for me.
Raven, Norske, Powell is def. a non-starter. He’s gone. Uh, My Lai? What else does anyone need to know?
He wasn’t there, this was after. Still stinks,
I didn’t go to the 25th Anniversary of the Wall because he was they keynote. Fuck him.
selise, I voted for Edward’s in the GA primary, even tho he was not really a contender any more. But, I just don’t see him as realistic possibility for Obama’s VP.
what Georgia, where are you?
Raven- I know he wasn’t at My Lai. But, huge hand in whitewashing that later, irrc.
was only thinking of the optics – southern white male.
btw, i leaned edwards but was never a supporter (based on his record in the senate).
see raven’s comment @50
Raven- 30307 zip. John Lewis is my House rep.
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Citizen Bobzim:
“…if you’ve ever been in the military you know that that reqires one to do some serious moralistic rationalizing.”
Brother Bob, there are a few of us around here who know a lot about the military…been there, done that and goin’ back two generations. As for moral rationalizing, I have shared my experience with the dark side with my FDL brothers and sisters…ya ken go hunt down a couple in the archieves from 2004 or ask a couple a old timers. Because of our experience in and respect for the military as it has been intended over the last two centuries, most of us feel the same way the founders did, that is: limit the standin army, make sure it’s dependant on local militia (read this as the draft), and DON’t under any circumstances elect professional military to positions of executive authority.
The last thing we need is more professional yes-men from the military in positions of administration…in fact we gotta get the miltary the hell out of politics and administration and put ‘em back ta doin’ what they do best and under civilian orders.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WAR IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR POLITICS!
selise- yeap I read raven’s comment@50. Didn’t mean to plagiarism him! ;)
Well shut my mouth! DO you teach at one of our fine state institutions? I work for the BOR.
Of course I don’t – we’re all anonymous. do you pull that “Do you Know who I am?!?!” crap in the airport? No? Then don’t try to use it here.
If Powell had resigned over every discrepancy, his influence, badly needed, would have been as useless as one of the bombed out tanks we passed on the road to Baghdad.
Grow up.
You cannot be serious.
not exactly- my undergrads are emeroids. Uh, I trust you can figure that out! ;)
Nice comeback. And I’m very serious.
Yup, some of my pals are over there, saw the Dali there when I was at Tech.
nite all, I crash now.
Jeeze I get up late for a dip in the lake and what do I find. A bunch of kids splashing around and making silly noises.
Well how bout this genius, when did I say “do you know who I am”? I wasn’t talking about me.
so go back to bed
Good Morning Attaturk and Firedogs -
ooh totally kewl crew this early am – hey Valley Girl – good to see ya
umm, Sam Nunn ???, kinda fits the profile – southern, defense/security bona fides. . . (not my pick btw) but have been thinking either nominee would be courting a Zinni type if not the Zinni
Morning everybody, I fell asleep before it was all over, is it all over?
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Citizen Bobzim:
Your disrespect of people you don’t know who have much experience and wisdom from that experience and who have given a full measure servin’ their country leads me to conclude that you are a troll and therefore you don’t exist here anymore.
KEEP THE FAITH AND WATCH OUT YOU DON’T FUCK WITH THE BULL AND GET THE HORNS!!
Yeah, well, I don’t see where expecting perfection from our leaders is very realistic. The evidence is overwhelming that Powell did his best at trying to slow down the run-up to the Iraq War. Watch the Frontline doc on it. Powell is a good man who was among evil-doers.
call me an idiot, but i’m going to jump in here.
bobzim – a person request: please give don’t jump on folks with personal attacks like “grow up” it makes it hard (and unpleasant) to have conversations about issues and it’s counter to the progressive values of solidarity and respect. thank you.
Don’t feed the creatures under the bridge, Citizen Selise.
“You have no idea who you are talking too bubbah.” sounds pretty damn “Do you know who I am” to me.
Per the election–
Although I’m sad that Clinton won Indiana, I am so proud of Indiana voting Obama in such high numbers…the closeness of the election shows that he does have support here.
One can only wonder, though, how many voters who would have voted for Obama were turned away because they didn’t have the proper ID–see the story on the ten nuns who were turned away and subsequently, the rest of the order didn’t even attempt to vote.
The evidence is that he did not stand up to these nutfucks instead he kept his mouth shut and let thosands of people be murdered. Not so good
I, for one, wish for a VP choice who will be purely political during the campaign , then settle in to the role of attending State weddings and funerals in places not deemed important enough for the President.
Other strengths should be less obvious.
In other words, I want one Commander in Chief, counseled by a SecDef and Joint Chiefs and a competent cabinet.
There should be one military chain of command.
A SecDef with a strong military background: is great for any President, not so much the VP.
Good morning, pups. It’s MoDo and Friedman today. MoDo says “Butterflies Aren’t Free,” and asks a question: Hillary Clinton is so at odds with who she used to be, even in the Senate, that if she were to get elected, who would voters be electing? Mr. Friedman writes about “The Democratic Recession,” and says that we need to do everything possible to develop alternatives to oil to weaken the petro-dictators.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got lemon poppyseed muffins just out of the oven. Please don’t give a muffin to the creature under the bridge — it only encourages them. Have a grand day.
Are you speaking of the piece they did recently on the war? Because it was lame.
Thanks to you selise I knew about and watched the House Judiciary yesterday about torture. The WH had one apologist there (Rivkin). What a ahole. I guess the WH must all love torture.
I get jumped on for a legitimate VP suggestion, get “You have no idea who you’re talking to bubbah”, I defend my assertions, and now I’m a troll?!?! WTF?!?!
i thought that was a good hearing too. when the HJC posts their archived webcast, i will try to rip an mp3 for folks to put on their ipods.
Edwards said clearly he wouldn’t take the VP position. My recommendation would be Jim Webb. He is a Southerner, ex-military, and has, um, “fortitude.” Plus, it wouldn’t risk a Senate seat. (He isn’t up for election, and our Governor is a Democrat.)
the one thing that really bothered me about the hearing was the quote from schumer – i didn’t know that he was such an apologist for torture. no wonder he thought mukasey would make a good AG.
was just thinking about Voter ID and how it failed it’s supporters abysmally (so very 04 doncha know)
- it’ll be interesting to read how it was beat back in large urban centers like Indy and in concentrated populaces like Gary – and hey Raven – will be really interesting to see what if any of it was due to Obama gotv/ground game
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Citizen Valley Girl:
You teach undergrads at Emory U?
What a great gig!
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP ON KEEPIN ON!!
I like Webb, but his star is on the rise and we need his voice in the senate. The VP choice needs to be a Gray Beard-type who can appeal to other Gray Beard-types.
well, this election cycle the world has the tubes, we are the engines that drive the tubes and the tubes will protect our candidates
we will be the research against the attacks, we will be the foot soldiers, we will parry the attacks and mount much more devastating counter attacks
we are the tubes
and since we are “a series of tubes” that means this election will be the world series of tubes
we will be the all the many pieces on the chess board of the tubes
we are the tubes and we will protect the election and this country since our politicians cannot do it without us
and then of course they will rescind net neutrality and the tubes will be no more
it’s morning, I just got out of bed and rarely do I write with cohesion till I have my java and this post is no exception
see later
I think that that is his paean to AIPAC. Coming from NY he has to kowtow to the powers that be. I thougt the English professor was very good. It was interesting what he was saying about if America will not prosecute there may well be many countries that will go after the perpetrators. Not such good news for the war criminals in the WH. He also said that a bushco pardon will do nothing to stop war criminal indictments from overseas. Gotta love that.
I am liking that idea tons, I actually think web might be the best choice to persue charges of treason and bring impeachment post office
I don’t mind web
who else do we want?
Schumer is the powers-that-be. He’s representing Israel in our senate just like Lieberman.
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Citizen selise:
“I didn’t know he (Schumer) was such an apologist for torture…”
Schumer is a Lik*dnik neocon who is the Senate counterpart to Rahm Emmanuel. He is pushin’ a multi-millionaire GOPer in the senate primary in Kentucky over a grass roots progressive businessman. Sound familiar?
KEEP THE FAITH AND THEY WILL BE REVEALED!!
Exactly.
Webb seems to have but one “left” issue, that being the illegal invasion in the ME but as for the rest he is pretty much a conservative as far as I can see. My first vote would be for Ms Hampsher or CHS but I would settle for Richardson.
i loved sands also. his ealier book on bush/blair, “Lawless World” is excellent and i’m looking forward to reading his new one even more.
Did anyone hear Rahmakin this morning on NPR? It was way too DLC for me. What a turkey.
Yo Brother Raven, you out there…have ya grown up yet??!! HEE-HEE
Ah yes, thanks again. Now you remind me to do the Amazon thing today and order his new one. I have not read anything by him yet but after hearing him I believe I have found some good summer reading.
i wish the being pro-israel meant supporting the israeli peace activists like jeff halper. somehow i don’t bet halper doesn’t think of schumer as being pro-israel at all
Hmmmm. I better straighten this out. I was not referring to Raven as being a child it was the other snippy stuff that was irritating.
Yeah, “You have no idea who you are talking to bubbah” is forthright and polite.
Jest go back and scroll up stream for the immediate history. Sufice ta say that the Raven was lectured ta grow up by a troll.
Trolls: don’t feed ‘em…don’t talk to ‘em and don’t speak their names.
please forgive me for continuing to recommend sands, but there maybe folks reading who don’t want to dive into a book just yet but might be interested in a smaller $ and time investment.
vanity fair article, green light, by sands with material from book.
democracy now! interview
sands also gave a talk at the new america foundation (steve clemmons) yesterday after his hjc testimony, but i don’t know if they will post an mp3 – i’m hoping!
State-by-State Delegate Allocation via cspan
05/06/08 Presidential Primary / Caucus
May 07, 2008 – 07:02AM ET
Indiana:
North Carolina:
One can only hope. :-(
People, people, people.
I get up this early in the morning, give you Pablo Klaatu Hussein Dobbs Obama and I get zero diggs?
Harrumph! ;-)
I understand that her “victory”in Indiana may well be result of goopers changing sides to vote for a gooperlite? I will mention again Edwards still has 26(?) delegates.
Wearing another of his hideous jackets…..perfectly coordinated with his beliefs.
You know, it’s truly sad that a lifelong Democrat, an Obama supporter since day one, making a good faith, well thought out suggestion and defending said suggestion is deemed a troll.
Edwards says no. Webb is *confrontational*. Richardson? not bad. Wes Clark? I think he could be a good choice.
98 to 71?
that looks like a pretty big win for obama… but i’ve been trying to avoid following the results too closely.
Richardson has the same problem as Biden: you never know what they’re going to say. I like them both – Biden more so – but they’re dangerous on the campaign trail.
John Edwards would make a better Attorney General.
NO, no, no again to a military person in the WH. Enough of the “shoot first” crowd.
please, please not clark.
i want a civilian. and i really don’t want another warmonger, please.
Not all career military are warmongers. I think George Washington and Eisenhower showed that. But I agree on not Clark.
John Edwards took on corporations in his private law practice and he can ago take on the corporations and the criminality of the Republican Party in an Obama administration.
cursory trip around Left Blogistan – Richardson, followed by Webb, and Our Great Orange Overlord is pushing Gov Sibelius
Mornin’ all!
Here’s what’s coming up on Washington Journal:
7:00 am – Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
7:30 am – Beth Frerking, The Politico, Senior Editor
8:00 am – Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL) 6th District, Financial Services Cmte., Ranking Member
8:30 am – Paul Singer, Roll Call, Senior Staff Writer
9:00 am – Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez (Ret.), Author, “Wiser in Battle: A Soldier’s Story”
i never said all career military are warmongers. i called clark a warmonger.
Mornin’!
i’d like to think so, but he didn’t take on corps when he was in the senate. just the opposite.
But at least the Islamofascist nuns were prevented from committing voter fraud in South Bend.
Thank God for that 6-3 vote on the Supreme Court.
Sorry, my greeting wasn’t meant solely as a reply to you. I was going to say something about Clark, but then realized i hadn’t said good morning yet. Now, I forget what the heck I was gonna say.
yes, glad to know our Democracy was saved from those sneaky terrorists pretending to be aged wheelchaired nuns.
Morning, pups.
I’m thinking about Ricardo Sanchez. Did anyone else see the excerpt recently from his new book? He details how Rumsfeld completely pulled the rug from under post-Saddam Iraq. He fits a lot of the profile we want and he is mad as hell at Bush and his buddies. This likely would also prevent Petraeus as McCain’s VP.
Thanks for the recap of last night, Attaturk.
Chris Dodd would make a fine VP for Barack, I think. ;-)
It’s OK. I didn’t take it personal.
How ’bout Supreme Court Justice?
I don’t want Edwards as veep. He’s too good for that position. I’d like to see him as Attorney General. Richardson back as a diplomat.
And btw, Matthews doesn’t believe Obama didn’t know about Wright’s political views. Talked on and on this morning about that not ringing true with him (sigh).
scary thought – i agree with mathews.
but wtf? is that the most important issue that needs discussing? not iraq, not the economy? not the environment? not healthcare?
ding
Hey Attaturk,
I like naughty talk as much as anyone but I wish you would give a little cost benefit analysis to sexist vulgarity such as your “Suck. On. This. Andorra!”
What do you gain? What might it cost? I don’t it thrills anyone and it could turn some independants off the blog. It’s one of those ‘guy’ things, not attractive anywhere.
Attaturk, I just gave you a “Digg”, but man, what the heck is going on over there at Digg? You have to jump through hoops now just to vote.
I blame Laura Bush.
.
.
And I’m sick of Chris Matthews.
Hillary for SCOTUS would be an interesting choice………….
Veep — Claire McCaskill?
Prairie Today: What Really Happened to Hill
we truly are an ungrateful lot of rabbles
digg Attaturk
thank you Attaturk, except for the nightmares I’ll be having of Pablo Klaatu Hussein Dobbs Obama
I’d love that too, but I think we need Dodd more in the Senate. Ideally as Majority Leader.
KayinMaine -
thought Dodd as well, even a good AG, but we need him in the Senate
and in a perfect world – Patrick Fitzgerald would head the Truth and Reconciliation juggernaut
Now that the primaries have destroyed the Democrat Party, it’s time
for a grand birpartisan compromise.
Joe Lieberman at the top of the ticket.
And Lindsey Graham on the bottom.
Awwwww how sweet, Joe Scarborough and the other Talking Cannonball Heads are concerned about Bill Clinton this morning. They’re feeling his pain.
Marion, Dodd is great no matter where he is. I agree we need him in the Senate, but wouldn’t it be great to have two Constitutionalists running for the White House? It would be the first time since our country’s inception! LOL Just kidding…well…I’m probably not too far off just looking at the last 3 decades anyways. ;-)
Sorry, toungue out huh!!!!
Go stand in the corner and don’t turn round until class is over.
Who will oversee the dismantling of the Department of “Homeland” Security?
I think Edwards would be a wonderful influence on the Supreme Court, but first I think he can do a lot to help us right the USS Constitution more directly as a part of the administration.
Here Here!
Good morning Nomolos. I still haven’t heard from KittyKitty about all of us meeting up. Sorry about that. She might have the type of job that takes her on the road a lot. As soon as I hear from her, I’ll let you know. ;-)
‘03 White House E-Mails Not Found
Maybe Newsweek can put its ace political columnist on the case.
Yo Brother Raven, you out there…have ya grown up yet??!! HEE-HEE
reply
Back from the dog walk. How’s that draft that pig Powell movement going?
Wonderful. I look forward to it.
In case you are serious re: “Suck. On. This…”
Is a cynical joke … Not a guy thing, a mocking “Tom Friedman” thing. Pretty infamous in the liberal blogosphere.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..this-iraq/
going to go off topic for this but I just had a realization readin this think progress lead;
you know how some of us compare the adinistration’s tactics to Hitler’s?
war, the flag, constant fear, the patriot act which was plaguerized from hitler’s “enabling act”, the blackwater mercenaries to hitler’s brown shirts and the list goes on
well look at that lead, compare it to hiter’s march, going after each and every target the thought he could aquire
they really are using the nazi playbook, straight from hitler me thinks
Wesley Clark
Edwards on the SCOTUS would be great. Just would like to see him appointed after he’s spent 4 years as AG and he has a record of corporate prosecutions and convictions and has sent all the criminal elements of the Republican Party to federal prison. Wouldn’t mind seeing him deport anti-American elements of the Republican Party out of the U.S. as well.
Wouldn’t it be great if McCain chose Condi as his running mate and then Bush issued her a pardon for war crimes involved in condoning torture and twisting intelligence to support the invasion of Iraq?
whazzup Bell County ? haven’t seen ya here since the Primary -
went biking your way a few weeks back – got our grub on at Schoepf’s, saw half dozen Obama signs in the middle of nowhere out by Mother Neff – gorgeous country but sure can see why the stormchasers love it
Now, if only I was assured of an honest election, I’d be alot more relaxed.
I know the word conservative is verboten, but consider these conservative values”
An AG who beleives in the Constitution and the Rule of Law.
A Secretary of Defense who actually understands what sacrifices are entailed in the waging of war, but is strong enough to ensure the resources required are available.
A Secretary of the Interior who acts to protect our natural resources.
A Secretary of Education who considers teachers allies in the effort rather than an opposing force in labor negotiations.
In other words, people who have core expertise and passion in their disciplines.
uh oh
I don’t think the election is ever going to get closer then half a freidman unit, I think there will be some kind of catastrophe and bing, martial law, suspended elections and then elections always a freidman unit away
Who’s going to listen to Rush today? I’d volunteer, but I don’t think I could take it.
Completely Imperialistic and Foul.
That’s who we have become and why we must have a course correction immediately.
(oh, and Powell can go hang his head in shame in perpetual time-out forevah)
It succumbed to the “call anyone who is not in the clique a troll” tactic.
Time for the Republican Party to trade in their Brooks Brothers suits for prison orange. Their day of reckoning is on the horizon. When Americans finally learn what the Republican Party has done to the Constitution and the American people demand justice, Republicans will look fondly on the Nixon years. May they wander in the wilderness for the next 30 generations.
Apparently pardons will not do one whit of good when in comes to war crimes. She could/will be indicted in any country and will be unable to travel overseas without fear of imprisonment. Pardons would only cover the crimes committed against ‘mercuns.
no Olbermann podcast this AM
:(
Fitz for AG
perris, I haven’t been on the same time as you lately. I’ve missed you. I think we’re soul-mates.
Here’s the link for Obama’s speech last night from North Carolina
and here’s Hillary’s speech from Indiana
both were worth watching, saw them early this morning on CSPAN
there was no KO last night
Those are some pretty radical ideas you’re advocating, there.
To my mind, Reagan pioneered the concept of disregarding “core expertise” in making appointments and instead choosing appointees who could do the most damage in their position. Bush, of course, perfected the concept.
we haven’t had one in 8 years, we already know there will be caging and robo calling, we also know they will do whatever they can to make it as difficult as possible for democratic precincts to vote
we also know there are still electronic voting machines and we have been too quite about those
we also know the “paper trail” from electronic voting machines is worthless
we need mechanical machines to be sure votes aren’t flipped and we need to get those electronic machines out of the equation
we have been too lax with that and I am pretty sure it is too late to get them all decertified
don’t forget, the previous election where we took both houses votes were flipped, they just didn’t know how reviled the republican party is, they won’t make the same mistake twice, if they can flip votes they won’t make it close, they will be brazen
Oh, I know that, but I don’t think it would stop Bush from issuing one. I’m just fantasizing over the quandary they would be in: pardon her and admit she broke US law, or not pardon her (to keep her a viable VP candidate) and risk her going to a US jail.
course correction is not enough, if we do not jail these criminals for treason and war crimes then we are lost, our country cannot change direction unless and until the criminals we know about are brought to the bar of justice
the world will watch to see what we do when (if) these despots are removed from office
I have no faith they are leaving office willingly through an election, they won neither the first nor the second and are in office through a bloodless silent coup
*waits for phone call*
delicious!
All I really know is that I was smiling and happy thinking about President Obama when I fell asleep last night…
Republicans voting in the Indiana Democratic race were voting for Hillary & Barack at a 52% to 46% rate, which means, there are rational republicans out there voting for Barack Obama, even though Rush is telling them to vote for Hillary. Makes you wonder if Operation Chaos is backfiring? Sputtering out of control maybe?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit…..hs-op.html
Me too Angie! Nice feeling. *wink*
Nomolos, it will be a great time for sure! ;-)
true.
I want our Democratic President to join the ICC within the first 10 minutes of inauguration……..
I agree with this. And I’m waiting for another round of purged voters, Falcon Sweeps, ID laws, and diebold machine malfunctions. Scares the daylights out of me.
The next time someone tries to claim that the Republican Party is the party of ideas, the rebuttal should be two words long: Operation Chaos.
the parallels here
are frighteningly close – Chapter 9 – clearing out all but the youngest, most conservative, ambitious types – scared the Fitz outta me
Anyone watching MSNBC? Tiki Barber is sitting next to Pat Buchanon. Tiki’s either half asleep or seething and unable to speak.
I am sure some people think a black man can’t win in the general and a republican would vote for barak because he thinks that makes it easier for mccain to win
then there’s rush who thinks barak is a tougher candidate then hillary and he asks his ditto brains to get her in instead of barak
in addition, some don’t care which one but they want the fighting to continue between the candidates, this gives mccain a free pass and it gives more ammo for the general election when we finally do choose who is going to run
their best case scenario is both are on the ticket and I believe hillary is jockeying for that spot which will be fine if they get there but will be the easiest ticket for the republicans to beat
so there are three things going on, those that think barak is easiest to beat, those that think hilllary is easiest to beat and those that just want the dem primaries to continue
Agreed.
What?!? “Powell did everything he could short of resigning to stop the Iraq War.”
Stop the war?? He sold the war! He was a loyal, lying, bushcheney warmonger propagandist. If he ever had integrity he lost it long ago.
And why the hell should Obama or any Democrat give republicons any positions? They are all lying sub-human beings without a conscience among them. Trust a republicon? Never.
I vote book salon
try this cbl2;
google “the enabling act compared to the patriot act”
when you read the translation and then realise the legion of similarities, and then compare how quickly the patriot act was put together after 9/11 you see it really was plaguerized from hitler
scary scary scary
Oh please, be polite. This was a well thought out idea.
I’m sorry, Recluse, but you’re wrong about Powell’s involvement. Again, watch Moyers’ doc on the run-up to the war. I stick by my suggestion and don’t be surprised when you see him in the Obama administration.
If asked, do you think he would accept a position?
Yeah, defending itself against impeachment hearings would, in fact ‘impose substantial burdens and disruptions’ on Darth & Co.
During the Pinkville investigation. Typical ass covering, ticket punching lifer.
unlike soldiers our military elite are NOT supposed to simply “take orders”, they judge orders give their best advice, if the orders they are given are not in the best interest of this country they retire and they speak out in protection of this nation
powell was a general that acted like a soldier and he needed to retire and speak out
powell can only regain his lost integrity if he speaks out now and says point blank this president lied us into war and is a criminal and that he took part in the deception and should have known better
I think Colin Powell is absolutely beside himself over the events of the last 8 years. I also think he is itching to correct some mistakes that have been wrongly laid at his feet.
Yes, I think he would accept.
BTW, here’s the link to the Frontline doc. Watch it if you have time. You’ll understand what I’m getting at.
the mistakes were not laid wrongly at his feat, he was weak and he acted like a soldier instead of a general
his integrity is compromised and cannot be regained unless and until he speaks truth to power and calls this president what he is;
a treasonous liar, a war monguer a despot
let me make a point bob
powells chief of staff went public and called cheney a war criminal, he todld us of the kabal and he did what a real patriot does
powell, not so much
A) He also likes to intimidate the UN with white powder in a tube, ON TV, in front of the entire world. He lost respect by that stint alone.
B) Helped get us into the shit hole of a war on false info.
C)War monger, War monger, War monger
D) Too chicken shit to speak up loud and clear about the shit his party is doing.
E)Is a die hard republican.
What is it with people trying to make the US a one party system. Biden at one time said he would like McCanin’t to be his running mate. Is the Dem party so screwed up we can’t find 2 people to head our ticket?
He is but in a more statesman-like way.
I still “laugh” my ass off when I think back to Colin Powell sitting there ar the UN trying to sell the case of war against a country that did not attack us, by holding up a vile of powdered laundry detergent and pointing to a cartoon drawing of the “known” wmd site in Iraq.
Yep, it still makes me laugh out loud at how stupid Americans and the people of the planet to believe one word from the Bush White House, even if it was Powell as the messenger at the time!
I would suggest Gov. Kathleen Sebelius-actually a near ideal choice.
Because a “Democrat Way Or The Highway” is just more of the same Gingrich-Neocon logic. People are sick of that, no matter which party it comes from. I know I am.
Powell wrote: “In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent.”
Yea, this motherfucker knew what the score was.
Well that’s okay — it would balance Thomas, who’s not an intellect [in ANY sense of the word], just an attorney.
Inside baseball is great for insiders, others…not so much. I didn’t get it and I read FDL, Kos etc many times a day.
I like to think about new visitors, independents, especially women who may now feel the glass ceiling is impermeable in the democratic party.
I think Jane, Marci, other women can indulge a bit of vulgarity without offending either men or women. Whenever women do it, everyone knows it’s part of a joke, a jab at the conventional. I think we men should not assume we will always be understood that way and should exercise more restraint. Double standard? Hah! That worries me none.
Yet you don’t link to your sources, Raven. I’m not disputing what you say, and Powell should certainly address any involvement in the attempt to cover up My Lai, but you diminish your argument by not linking or citing the basis of your assertions.
You were the guy that came here telling us that if “We knew anything about the military”, etc. Well, most of the people you are having issues with happened to serve during Vietnam. Powell’s BS ways are well known to anyone who served in those times, as a little research on your part would make apparent. Google Powell & My Lai.
They are not assertions, they are facts.
I just read Powell’s Wikipedia article which brought up the “Reluctant Warrior” nickname. So I Googled it and came up with this Check it out, if you have time.
Powell and My Lai
Most people with any interest in this subject have know this for years.
Maj. Powell’s Response
The letter’s troubling allegations were not well received at Americal headquarters. Maj. Powell undertook the assignment to review Glen’s letter, but did so without questioning Glen or assigning anyone else to talk with him. Powell simply accepted a claim from Glen’s superior officer that Glen was not close enough to the front lines to know what he was writing about, an assertion Glen denies.
After that cursory investigation, Powell drafted a response on Dec. 13, 1968. He admitted to no pattern of wrongdoing. Powell claimed that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully. The Americal troops also had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions, Powell noted.
“There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs,” Powell wrote in 1968. But “this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division.” Indeed, Powell’s memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.
Powell reported back exactly what his superiors wanted to hear. “In direct refutation of this [Glen’s] portrayal,” Powell concluded, “is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent.”
Powell’s findings, of course, were false. But it would take another Americal hero, an infantryman named Ron Ridenhour, to piece together the truth about the atrocity at My Lai. After returning to the United States, Ridenhour interviewed Americal comrades who had participated in the massacre.
On his own, Ridenhour compiled this shocking information into a report and forwarded it to the Army inspector general. The IG’s office conducted an aggressive official investigation and the Army finally faced the horrible truth. Courts martial were held against officers and enlisted men implicated in the murder of the My Lai civilians.
But Powell’s peripheral role in the My Lai cover-up did not slow his climb up the Army’s ladder. Powell pleaded ignorance about the actual My Lai massacre, which pre-dated his arrival at the Americal. Glen’s letter disappeared into the National Archives — to be unearthed only years later by British journalists Michael Bilton and Kevin Sims for their book Four Hours in My Lai. In his best-selling memoirs, Powell did not mention his brush-off of Tom Glen’s complaint.
MAM Hunts
Powell did include, however, a troubling recollection that belied his 1968 official denial of Glen’s allegation that American soldiers “without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves.” After mentioning the My Lai massacre in My American Journey, Powell penned a partial justification of the Americal’s brutality. In a chilling passage, Powell explained the routine practice of murdering unarmed male Vietnamese.
“I recall a phrase we used in the field, MAM, for military-age male,” Powell wrote. “If a helo spotted a peasant in black pajamas who looked remotely suspicious, a possible MAM, the pilot would circle and fire in front of him. If he moved, his movement was judged evidence of hostile intent, and the next burst was not in front, but at him. Brutal? Maybe so. But an able battalion commander with whom I had served at Gelnhausen (West Germany), Lt. Col. Walter Pritchard, was killed by enemy sniper fire while observing MAMs from a helicopter. And Pritchard was only one of many. The kill-or-be-killed nature of combat tends to dull fine perceptions of right and wrong.”
While it’s certainly true that combat is brutal, mowing down unarmed civilians is not combat. It is, in fact, a war crime. Neither can the combat death of a fellow soldier be cited as an excuse to murder civilians. Disturbingly, that was precisely the rationalization that the My Lai killers cited in their own defense.
But returning home from Vietnam a second time in 1969, Powell had proved himself the consummate team player.
Powell may have been the one man who could have stopped the whole disaster from happening, if he had publicly resigned in protest. He didn’t. He let Rumsfeld rub his nose in the dirt repeatedly, and he may regret it for the rest of his life, but he did represent the United States in trying to sell turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse in front of the world.
I understand you are sincere, but I don’t think it is likely at all that Obama will stake anything on resurrecting Powell.
I’m interested to know who the WE in “we passed on the road to Baghdad” was?
Thanks for not calling me a troll, Crosstimbers.
One prosecution does not make an AG. Had he been able to take down Rove, that might be a different story. Edwards took on the corporations as a private lawyer and put the fear of God in them. It’s time he put the fear of God in the corporations again and this time the Republican Party as well.
And he about wet his pants in his debates with Cheney.
The “WE” is us: the United States military. Are you implying that one has to have combat experience in order to speak intelligently about these issues?
AMF? Don’t know what that is.
Damn! I missed this firefight.
Get this:
But, of course, WE weren’t on the road to Baghdad or Chu Lai.
It ain’t “Adios My Friend”.
My bluff not being called, I’ll have to cold-call for assistance from the “Let’s Be Polite, Troll” crowd when told to “Aboutface, Motherfucker”. Help, Help – I’m being repressed!!
We appreciate your service, Raven, but it does not make you a foreign policy expert. In fact, your bitterness may be blinding.
Morning Pups,
Just a friendly reminder, personal insults and/or attacking fellow commenters is not allowed here at the Lake.
Thank you!
yea right
People are more sick of war, loss of jobs and lower incomes, high gas prices, high health care costs, loan sharking finacial institutions, high energy prices, high food prices, global warming, etc. Any of those being addressed by a republikans? Because people are sick of the negative politics that MSM promotes does not mean they want to become a one party dictator system which wouldn’t ever work here any ways.
Absolutely NO to Powell (and a silly suggestion anyway…NO GOPers in the Admin – they are FULLY discredited). My own suggestion would be Wesley Clark while offering another job to Edwards. I would also suggest that Obama back-channel to Hillary that he would offer her up as a SCOTUS nominee at the first opportunity.
There will be moderate Republicans in the Obama administration. Kind of like Secretary of Defense Cohen.
Wes Clark will be the next Vice President of the united States.
My faves for the V.P. list (regardless of what actual chances they would have of being picked, and in no particular order):
Jim Webb
Wes Clark
Chris Dodd
What has been stopping him from speaking out??? Are you saying he waited 5 years and for Bush to be leaving the WH before he speaks out? He could have spoken out any time he wanted. Not just these little snippets every year or two. He didn’t and doesn’t have the guts to do the right thing.
Ignore Bobzim, he is a GOPer speaking nonsense.
KO was on the air for about 62 hours yesterday. He’s earned a rest.
*tick-tick-tick*
Okay, that’s enough. Wake him up and get him working on tonight’s show.
That just made me laugh…Thanks :)