So!

Make it “So”!

This is the part of the general campaign that I am going to love. Rs eating their old!

No one is covering the anybody but McCain vote, are they?

Hopefully the Democrats can get organized enough to force McCain to have to spend all his time proving that he’s a real conservative.

Well, they sure like ribs…

Oh but he is.

“Republicans Worried About McCain’s Lack Of Appeal Among Conservatives”

You had a problem with your Title, I fixed it for you.

Boxturtle (eCahn, if you happen to be in Ohio in November I’ll buy the beer and we can enjoy it together)

I just saw a new DNC ad v. McCain that took one speech about how America is just hunky dory juxtaposed against the stats. effective, I thought.

do you feel better off?

“Some high-ranking Republicans believe that McCain was motivated simply and purely by revenge on the Bush machine and allied conservatives, which had so mercilessly attacked him in South Carolina.”

Heh, heh, heh….

All suspicious are they?

I wouldn’t put it past McBush.

And when, in those early competitive primaries (when they had choice and there was no Phlegmbaugh Effect involved…10-15% of the Republicans were still jumping ship to the Democratic Party.

Those Democratic Registration numbers have to be really worrying them…and they are praying that somehow those really ARE people jumping in to create a “Chaos Effect”. Because if they are not…then they really are doomed.

”Some high-ranking Republicans believe that McCain was motivated simply and purely by revenge on the Bush machine and allied conservatives, which had so mercilessly attacked him in South Carolina.”

Heh, heh, heh….

All suspicious are they?

I wouldn’t put it past McBush.

Rush is supposedly a Southern Baptist, which has as “adult baptism” and a call that one accepts Jesus Christs as savior (yada-yada) as one of its principal rites. McCain has NEVER been baptised or answered the call to “born again” status.

Will he pander and take the plunge?

Skinny ribs. Will need a lot of BBQ sauce.

Jeepers, I wonder if McCain really has any chance at all. I guess it’s the media’s job to make us think he does with all this Obama has an achilles heel talk.

Oh, I want an invitation to the ceremony. It’d be a hoot.

Old, sick ribs…ewwww

They ALL hate each other.

Christian values. heh.

Let me buy several tickets for the dunk tank with the bulls eye on it! *g*

And, let us not forget the primary turnout. What is it, about 5:1 for Ds vs. Rs?

Now I wonder why the corporate media is not talking about this. NOT.

Are you sure he was “never baptized”? I would be surprised for someone of his ethnicity and age not to have been baptized as a child.

Republicans Worried About McCain’s Lack Of Appeal Among Conservatives

I think we need to be fair here, there are very few “concervatives” left in the republican party, I believe most of them have moved into dem land

real concervatives are really for concerving, a small deficit, actually lowering taxes instead of redistributing them to the working class, getting government out of our personal lives and actually shrinking government instead of expanding it

they are for isolationism not war, they are for international respect they do not want vile hatred toward our country or the office of president

most concervatives have bailed on the republican party, we might still call them “concervative” but they are extreme, they are wing nuts, they don’t want to “concerve” anything, they want to pillage

Will he pander and take the plunge?

lol

On a more substansive note, I have finally spoken to a McBush supporter who is NOT a frothing wingnut…my own sister!

When I asked her why in the world she was even considering that nutjob, she said “Because I don’t want either party in control of House, Senate, & WH. McBush will be ineffective, but will keep the democrats from ‘wretched excess’ “. She feels the safest government is a deadlocked one.

Now, keep in mind she fully agreed with me about every chunk of negative McBush data that I could bring up during a one hour lunch. But it didn’t change her mind.

Wonder how many more like her there are out there?

Boxturtle (I used to beat her up when we were kids. Hope this isn’t my fault)

But he wasn’t born in this country. (Was it Panama?) So perhaps that’s why he missed it.

You are right about that. The right wing of the D party is now to the right of where the center of the R party was in my youth.

I can proudly say that I’ve never been baptized either.
I still will not vote for McCain.

When I asked her why in the world she was even considering that nutjob, she said “Because I don’t want either party in control of House, Senate, & WH. McBush will be ineffective, but will keep the democrats from ‘wretched excess’ “. She feels the safest government is a deadlocked one.

I like your sister and I agree, I think I said that here a few years ago as well

however now I believe we have to turn around too much and there’s only one way to do that, we need majority in every all three branches of government so we can reverse the damage

will we reverse the damage with that kind of power?

all we can do is hope, if we do, fine, if not then we have to create a third party

I believe he was baptized in the Episcopal church as an infant.

This, of course, would *not* be accepted by Southern Baptists or many others on the fundy end of the religious spectrum.

Yesterday at the local pub I was speaking with a woman who is a long-time Republican–even to the extent of going to local GOP meetings. Long story short, she’s planning to re-register as an Independent and is a huge champion of Obama (to the point that she wrote in his name in the PA primary on the GOP ballot.

This makes me hopeful: yes, she’s black; but even white voters here seem to be ready to vote against the GOP. And in a place where the congressman is Joe Pitts, that’s a huge start.

“Because I don’t want either party in control of House, Senate, & WH. McBush will be ineffective, but will keep the democrats from ‘wretched excess’

Just show her our blue dogs… that should reassure :-(

however now I believe we have to turn around too much and there’s only one way to do that, we need majority in every all three branches of government so we can reverse the damage

Normally, I’d be on my sisters side, but McBush scares like no other in my memory. Even Perot didn’t make me this nervious.

Couple that with the fact that I agree with you: It’s time to act, not prevent action.

Boxturtle (For once, I’ve got a chance of voting FOR someone in the election rather than against someone.)

Just show her our blue dogs… that should reassure :-(

She thinks Lieberman is a Saint. :-(

Boxturtle (Maybe I should point out he’s jewish? :-) )

President wannabe McBush like President Bush? Both seem to have a streak of revenge in them. Witness the latest from McBush senior blackmailing congress by his canning of David Mason chief of the FEC in return for allowing a separate vote on Von Spakovsky.

Personally, I hope congress tables the nominations or kills it in committee if it goes there. Better do do without a functioning FEC than to give legitimacy to this crap.

That is so totally true. Tricky Dick would be considered a Liberal in today’s political climate. Terrifying as the thought may be to us old folks! The Overton Window has been shifted so far right and continues to slide as we keep becoming ecstatic about more and worse Democrats in the form of Blue Dogs, who are simply Republicans who don’t want to compete in the Republican Primary against the Incumbent in all too many cases. You get guys like Shuler, who was eagerly courted by both parties, overall I don’t think he was a win for us. If you can’t count on them to stand with you when it counts, what good are they?

o/t but how nice that Hillary the populist can loan her campaign $6 mil to keep going.

others would have dropped out by now…she’s running like she left the family silver in the WH.

How many votes did McCain get compared to Hilary and Obama in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina?
How many votes did all the GOPers total get when the primaries were contested compared to Hilary and Obama?

McCain must submit to a full immersion baptism to be a bona- fide born again Southern Baptist.

There are some fundy-type outfits wherein a water baptism is not required. Note: A full immersion water baptism does not make a Southern Baptist born-again. It is an outward sign of the individual’s faith that is strongly recommended (required, really) by the church. Then he’ll be bonafide.

Anyway, McCain needs a bath. With witnesses on film. For a Dukakis moment.

That is what I’ve been wondering.

You’re right about Nixon. Can’t remember what rightwind nut I was briefly watching on CSPAN2 this past weekend (I think) who asserted that Nixon was a liberal (environment, civil rights).

for McSame - Take Me to the Tigris

Isn’t that what that singing fish sang?

Haven’t confirmed this: I heard that Nixon had a National health care plan. The story goes that the Democrats squashed it b/c they didn’t want the Rethugs to get credit for it. Anybody know?

” McCain has failed to break 80% when running against nobody. In other words, John McCain has been losing between a fifth and a quarter of Republicans to protest votes for Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul and “none of the above” just because many GOP voters are disenchanted with their nominee.”

“In fact, one longtime conservative activist, Richard Viguerie, started a website in February of 2008 called conservativeHQ.com, to “relaunch the conservative movement.” In his debut email promoting the site, he attacked McCain,”

Is there an organized GOP push against McCain? (I doubt this happened spontaneously). If so who is doing the pushing, who is bankrolling them, and are they using the net to organize?
These shadows taking out McCain may be the GOP’s answer to the Net Roots our opposite numbers.

That actually sounds vaguely familiar but haven’t a clue where I might have heard it.

OT - Chris Matthews just compared himself to Captain Kirk and MSNBC’s Chuck Todd, the bearded political chief correspondent to Spock.

Welcome Cliff!

Must use this pic of Russert whenever he’s the subject. The bars behind him make him look like he’s in jail.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/.....-scrutiny/

Richard A. Viguerie (born on September 23, 1933 (1933-09-23) (age 74) in Golden Acres, Texas, USA, North America) [1] is a conservative figure head and writer in American politics. He is the current chairman of conservativehq.com.

In Viguerie’s own words:

“Pioneered political use of computerized direct mail. That technology was the Internet of its day: it enabled conservatives to get around liberals’ dominance of the mass media; it allowed thousands of conservative candidates, organizations and causes to get their messages to grassroots Americans.” [2]

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Viguerie has been dubbed the “funding father” of modern conservative strategy. [3][4]

Viguerie worked for the Christian evangelist Billy James Hargis in his early career.

In an autobiographical note, Viguerie wrote that in 1961 he became executive secretary of the conservative youth group, Young Americans for Freedom:

“Since 1965, owner of direct marketing/advertising companies such as American Target Advertising. Political/campaign strategist, activist and conservative spokesman and writer.” [2]

Viguerie founded Conservative Digest magazine in 1975 and served as its publisher for ten years. Opposing President Gerald Ford’s election, Viguerie in 1976 unsuccessfully sought the presidential nomination of the American Independent Party (that had been formed eight years earlier by George Wallace). [1]

In 1977, Viguerie worked on a project to raise money for Sun Myung Moon’s Children’s Relief Fund, which reportedly only received 6.3% of the $1,508,256 raised. $920,000 went to Viguerie according to New York State charity auditors. [5][6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Viguerie

Is there an organized GOP push against McCain? (I doubt this happened spontaneously). If so who is doing the pushing, who is bankrolling them, and are they using the net to organize?

I think there is and I think it’s coming from the FAR religious right. As for using the net, well, wouldn’t they be afraid of hitting a p0rn site or something and being sent to Baptist Hell?

Boxturtle (Baptist Hell is the worst of the bunch, can’t blame them for being nervious)

Maybe McBush is saving his dunkin to be used as a photo op! Could be on CSPAN- or the 700 channel- with fifteen southern baptist vampires officiating.

Ha. Here it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R....._insurance

He did, I don’t know the politics behind it. I found this at the Miami Herald about it:

Even before Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton unveiled her new healthcare plan, Republicans attacked it as socialized medicine. They neglected to mention, however, that her plan bears a striking resemblance to changes that were proposed in 1974 — by the late President Richard M. Nixon.

spawn-taneous catch and release!

“Hey ma– why are all them “preachers” wearin SHEETS?”

“Oh- them’s SOUTHERN BAPTISTS!”

I suspect the anti-immigration nuts will also organize something against McCain.

No wonder McCain has disdain for folks like this. I am delighted that McCain will have to spend the next 3 months kissing guys like this rear.

See also my wiki link at 52.

I shouldn’t have stopped to read that PBS Timeline!

That’s cool.

McCain might actually win if he made the centerpiece of his campaign “seeking revenge on Bush”.

The original conservatives are between a rock Iraq and a hard spot…they have Neocons, who have hijacked the administration, and they have the fundies who helped put the Neocons into power along with the Neocon’s fascist operatives.

The original conservatives are actually unlike either of those. They are just people who believe in small government, fiscal responsibility, protectionism. They don’t want the government in their lives. They don’t want to be taxed by the federal government. They want to be left alone.

What “Republican” stands for these days is something completely different. It is fascism. It is corporate-controlled government. Big spenders. Greedy war profiteering..military industrial complex “masquerading” as “conservative Republicans”…

That is why the Republicans are up in arms about Bushco and McCain…they hate the Dems too for many of the same reasons….They want change. Their “party” has been hijacked. I don’t blame them.

Viguerie was the direct mail guy for the GOP he knows how to use mass communication to mobilize people but can he do it as well as us by building communities and tolerating disent/comments/off topic stuff? Well we shall see.
But he worked for a right winger preacher and the Moonies I wonder how many fundies are rebeling against mcCain?
Me I hope McCain goes after his GOP opposition not that I worry about the fundies but Rev Moon has to be taken out.

punaise, you are gillarious

“Generals gathered in their Masses just like Witches at Black Masses ” OZZY OSBOURNE

I’m betting that before the election, McBush will move close enough to the “Automatic infared machine guns” position to keep them happy. If not, I’m SURE you’re correct. The thought of McBush being swiftboated on immigration is oddly pleasing to me.

Boxturtle (Actually, the thought of McBush being swiftboated on ANYTHING is pleasing to me)

Goopers hate McBush on account of he ain’t conservative enough- he said bad things about Falwell. He said bad things about Clusterfuck. He said that the tax cuts were bad cause they were just for the rich–”JUST FOR THE RICH?- who tha hell ELSE should they be for ” say the goops…

So everytime he says somethin SANE he may win an indie- but he looses a goop.

McToast

Exhibit A: Senator Chaffee.

Mc Bush even said bad things about the war before Clusterfuck started it. He’s got a LOT to apologize for!!

If there really are any “original conservatives” left, they should hijack their party back, throw out the neo-cons and the theo-cons, and sit out a few election cycles while they regain credibility.

I don’t think that there are any “original conservatives” left.

In other words, John McCain has been losing between a fifth and a quarter of Republicans to protest votes for Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul and “none of the above” just because many GOP voters are disenchanted with their nominee.

Cliff, is there any actual evidence that this represents anything other than people saying “I preferred the other guy”, rather than, as you claim, a “protest” vote.

OK but will the GOP have a civil war over this or will they just sit this election out and let McCain fall?
And if the Rev Moon is involved then the true GOPers have to get him out of their party. This could very well be a three way civil war the MSM after all is very quiet about Moon.

I think there are. They are the “un-28%rs”…I don’t know if they even bother to vote.

Mc Bush even said bad things about the war before Clusterfuck started it. He’s got a LOT to apologize for!!

McBush will say anything to get the attention of the press. He has made a career of being the “maverick”. You can’t burn both ends of the candle without eventually getting burned.

Fortunately, I don’t think most Americans want to get burned by a maverick president.

I think they Neocons will attempt to stay in power via proxy McBush. I don’t know what they will do if it looks like they can’t keep their power. Remember, they have the power. I don’t think “Republicans” per se have anymore power than Dems. The Neocons are a whole different species. The only saving grace is that “the People” want the Neocons gone….Dems and Pukes.