Login HereCNN and MSNBC both just projected that Obama has won in North Carolina, based on exit polls.
Meanwhile, CNN has been running disturbing poll numbers indicating that many of the current crop of Hillary Clinton voters are saying they won't vote for Obama in the fall:
According to the exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with John McCain. A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Just 48 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.
Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.
Obama voters appear to be more willing to support Clinton in November. In Indiana, 59 percent of Obama backers said they'd vote for Clinton, and 70 percent of Obama backers in North Carolina said they'd support the New York Democrat.
These poll numbers do reveal a potential vulnerability for Obama -- namely, the persistence of racism as a motivating factor in voter behavior, and its possible appearance here. As we've said, merely waving a magic wand of "transcending politics" won't make it go away. Certainly, some of these "dropouts" just don't like him as a candidate, but some are doing so for troubling reasons.
However, you can't help but wonder if the reality that at least some of these "working class white voters" who are coming out for Hillary are actually doing so at the behest of people like Rush Limbaugh -- the very people who have made her life a living hell for chunks of the past 16 years, and people who are doing so with the explicit intent of throwing the Democratic Party into chaos -- doesn't prick Clinton's conscience a little.
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MSNBC calls it For Obama as soon as polls closed. Indiana is still to early to call
thanks for the topic, David. this is exactly why this needs to end sooner rather than later. We have a lot of healing to do
I went with the cheapo post instead of that, thanks for the update :)
time heals all polls.
One of these days I’ll have a chance to sit down and write up my experiences at our CD-level caucus on Saturday. Eye opening differences between the two groups that make me afraid for the general.
CNN just called it for Obama in North Carolina. A huge win for him, meaning, double digits?
Will it come down to the number of Republicans voting for Clinton in Indiana?
These are really early poll closings. How do working people vote?
could be since they called it right at the time the polls closed.
We will have to wait and see the margin of the win.
Racism is persistent. Remember that Indiana was a stronghold for the KKK! Traditions die hard.
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Also, I despise Tim Russert.
Can we agree on that despite which Democrat we favor for the fall?
they don’t. to close polls at 6pm is ridiculous. how is that democratic? /snark
Question:
If Rush Limpball and the other residents of wingnut land want Repugs to vote for Clinton what does that tell you about that candidate?
Meanwhile, CNN has been running disturbing poll numbers indicating that many of the current crop of Hillary Clinton voters are saying they won’t vote for Obama in the fall:
I refuse to believe that Hilary voters would give McCain a victory. I want to see CNN’s poll methodology.
Have you seen CNN’s parent company Time Warner’s stock price these guys no nothing about numbers look at the ten year chart.
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWX
MSM…black/white/black/white/black/white
Forking racists.
got my vote!
Absolutely. So is operation chaos working? In 2008?
the primary needs to end before June. Super delegates (in states that have already voted) quit being chicken shits and say who you support
I missed the last thread, did someone link to the article about the elderly nuns not allowed to vote in IN because they didn’t have a photo-id?
Who’ll Vote In The Fall?
for today, the burning question is:
Who’ll Fall in the Vote!
Don’t forget the John Birch Society as mentioned in the Charlie Daniels song “Long Haired Country Boy”
I so forking agree with you…. trying to find that tool that prevents my eyes getting stuck rolled back in my head….. where did I put that fram-a-stamit thingy?
sides have hardened. others said this shit was going to happen but others thought it would work itself out. great. we have yanked defeat out of the jaws of victory
Um … have you seen how they’ve been going all week ?
Huckabee is still getting 10% of the vote in IN.
David, I had C-SPAN on earlier today and heard one of the hosts talking about the Edwards and how they’re viewing Barack & Hillary. Edwards is leaning towards Barack and when he (Edwards) mentioned that Barack represents real change…Elizabeth cringed, grabbed the back of the chair as if to strangle it, and then said, “What about a woman?”.
I doubt there are a large portion of racists in the Democratic party. I see the party divided between choosing between a woman or a black man and both sides are firm in their choices. You pointed out that Obama supporters are more likely to vote for Hillary if she gets on the ballot. True (I won’t be, but I know most will). Why won’t the Hillary supporters vote for Barack if he gets on the ballot? Because these supporters still believe Hillary is the same Hillary of the 1990’s and will kill baby bunnies if she’s not on the ballot! No way would they vote for “her opponent”.
That’s how I see it.
It’s been in our news box for a couple of hours.
John 100 years of war McCain can unify us
I’m with ya Teddy … PumpkinHead is too kind a term for that infinite pool of drivel …
I always wonder how many of those voters plan to vote for McCain no matter who the D nominee is. Until we have a candidate and actively take on McCain, we haven’t hurt McC enough to cut into those voters who still believe he’s Mr Maverick.
Gawd…I think I just saw Russerts head do a 360….Tweety too…
yeah I have but it has taken arm twisting to get them to announce themselves.
Humor and wisdom … I bow to thee, Sir !
McCain barely got three-quarters of the vote in PA.
Why would GOP voters drag themselves to the polls to vote against their party’s actual nominee unless they HATE him?
I would say that I’d vote for whichever candidate vowed to make Timmeh illegal, but there’s an endless supply of wankers to replace him.
He really is especially vile, though.
Gosh I sure love Harold Ford being a pundit - not.
Yup.
Oh Lord … Harold Ford’s Lips on TeeVee … time for a double shot of Highland Park …
I’m glad you think that. But alienating segments of your party to go after another segment ain’t party building. i keep reading all this Obama has a problem with the bubba vote but no one is talking about Hillary’s problem with the black vote.
Why what happened an exorcist walk in the room?
Because they don’t have enough tools in-house, obviously.
My teevee’s IQ is plummeting listening to Scarborough and Ford.
I hate this. I hate this. I hate this.
And fork Limpballs too!!
Betcha couple dozen supers announce within 48 hours.
Joe Scar declaring the nomination for Obama if he wins in NC by double digits tonight
Huckabee is still getting 10% of the vote in IN.
I just found out today that noted non-sane-person Dan Burton has a primary fight on his hands here too. Waiting for news on that one…
Mine is rebelling and has reverted to black and white.
I think you are right
actually I believe Ford is a paid tool–an “MSNBC political analyst”
How that doesn’t conflict with being chairman of the DLC I have yet to figure out.
My hope as well …
I really like your appellation for Burton.
I could live a full and happy life without ever once hearing Jeremiah Wright’s name again.
I don’t see the conflict - the DLC are all paid tools too.
OT but I could live a full and happy life without ever once hearing Joe Lieberman’s whiny voice again.
Just consider how extra fulfilled and happy you shall be!
whiney?
Our friend Howie on the polls showing today’s voters won’t vote for the other:
they just showed the DNC 100 years McBush ad here in AZ on MSNBC….. woohoo!
Let’s hope Messrs. Scalia and Alito take note! LOL!
It keeps coming back to Scarecrow’s question from the other week:
What will Obama supporters do to reconcile with Clinton supporters and bring them on board if Obama is the nominee?
What will Clinton supporters do to reconcile with Obama supporters and bring them on board if Clinton is the nominee?
Both need the others’ supporters to win in the General Election.
And it has to be done without insulting the intelligence and integrity of the other candidate’s supporters
wobbly, would you please connect with me offline at barbara at clotheslineblog dot com?
Unless McCain chooses Farrakhan as his running mate, I expect we’ll hear a lot more about Rev. Wright …
A very small minuscule part of me would love it if Hillary won the presidency? Why? Because the largest angry mob in the history of angry mobs would bear down on Ass Limbo’s Florida home, rip his microphone away from him, and then proceed to dismember him live on his radio show!
I would love to see the day. *sigh* Dreaming is good for the soul.
The MSM being a bunch of GOP tools is spreading stories to turn us against each other have some faith reach out to the other side after all McCain will is already hopping for judges to turn back Roe v Wade.
That and African Americans who are at the bottom economically can’t afford to let McCain continue Bush economics.
Yes. I’m afraid George Bush with still “speak” after the election.
Indiana too early to call still.
FWIW, I should add a caveat that I didn’t manage to include in the post: These polls are probably not good gauges of how people actually will vote in the fall. Tempers cool and good sense eventually kicks in; a lot of those saying they won’t vote for Obama eventually will come around, I think. But these numbers do tell us that there’s a lot of work to do.
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Kos has this update
I love how MSNoron slides the “age metric” around. Weren’t “older voters” over 40 last time?
sure will do
um…group hug?
ROFL
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I agree (re poppycock). I think it’s even possible some have said they won’t. I think it’s intended to be additional pressure on the peeps and sheeps to back HRC. If they’re motivated enough to get their carcasses to the primary (though I’m certain Repub voters are attempting to swing the balance to ensure emergence of their best and favorite target, Hil) they will vote and they will not vote for George III.
Eugene!
Good Catch we need a post though to combat the MSM meme that Hilary people won’t vote for Obama and vice a versa.
MSNBC punditry seems to be edging toward declaring tonight a win overall for Obama…
The losing candidate must embrace the winning candidate, immediately, publicly, and unreservedly. And urge their supporters to do the same.
Any hint that they’re just going through the motions because someone’s prodding them with a stick would be very bad.
Yeah but blacks have historically been disenfranchised and survived. I could see many staying home and opting not to vote (same withthe young voters) IF they feel the nomination was unjustly given to Hillary
Yep.
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Well, I see that MSNBC has called NC for Obama… I’m happy to see my sweetie on the panel…!
Nonplussed, you have a message.
I was shocked that JoeScar made that statement …
thank you :)
They have to juggle things to get a story:)
Hillary needs to pick up ground; Obama merely needs to tread water. So if they break even tonight, or Clinton only nets a few delegates, that’s a win for Obama.
Pat Buchanan simply will not allow any fellow panelist to complete a sentence.
Whom ? David ? *g*
((( CT )))
I’ve been saying for a few days that Clinton and Obama need to pledge now, before the nomination is decided, that they will support the winner and urge their supporters to make the same pledge, as well. Maybe this would be a good FDL petition.
that line “you gotta know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em” keeps running through my mind - hello, Hillary?
Keith may call Indiana at the top of the hour. JAYT!!
Wait a minute. “A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Clinton”–is that a typo? Or did a third of the people who voted for Clinton in Indiana say they’re planning on voting for McCain in the fall? A THIRD?!
True so we don’t let that happen. We are the Left after all if we throw our weight with the African Americans the Democratic Party won’t be able to pull a fast one.
We also love your sweetie. ;-)
I always wonder what the cable guys means by “too early to call.” They used to say “too close to call.” Maybe “too early” means they want you to keep watching, even though it’s not that close.
I’m happy to see my sweetie on the panel…!
Ahem.
They have both already done that. For many voters, I suspect how this is handled at the convention - if it drags on that far - will be a major factor in how enthusiastic their own support will be.
It’s a republican trait. Be loud and obnoxious. Behave like a bully. People are sick of it.
Need Jim Webb types with shirtsleeves rolled up and open collars out there speaking for Obama. Need seasoned senior white women, too. MSNBC busily painting this as black v. white, and concern trolling will the black voters come back in the fall if Hillary’s the nominee.
News to Russet-head…Obama voters are multi-cultural… white, like me…
Shorter MSNBC tonight: yak, yak, yak…
Is CNN any better?
A wise acre, eh? *g*
Those must be the Dittoheads.
Uh oh. Operation Chaos exposed! *pushing Rush’s skirt down*
(((holding breath)))
Indiana is no more or less racist than the rest of this outfit!
NYTimes sez Indiana exit polls show a 60/40 split between white voters, advantage Clinton.
This may be why the networks are waiting; also, Gary and Indianapolis results not in.
You know I have first dibs if she ever switches…! ;-)
you rang?
Looks like Obabama’s 6:00 A.M. 1 vote lead (er, mine) isn’t holding up…
MSNBC Indiana still “Two Early to Call”
No one needs or should want the Clintons. Their voters are another question. I think Obama has the talent to marginalize the Clintons if he gets the nomination. I do not want to hear about Tuzla, nuking Iran or busting up OPEC or phony gas tax rebates. The Clintons do not talk about serious issues, period. Ban them. Then go for “their” voters. But “their” white uneducated voters may belong in significant part to Limbaugh. This is their new core constituency, right?
Has to be that way. I would say the same if it were reversed. Whoever wins, it has to be a just win. No funny business
ABSOLUTELY!!! Oops, sorry for shouting. If he has tough/fair surrogates speaking on his behalf, he can continue walking the high road. Been wondering for months why this isn’t happening. Read somewhere today that Gore may endorse at some point. December, maybe?
I agree