CNN and MSNBC both just projected that Obama has won in North Carolina, based on exit polls.
Meanwhile, CNN has been running disturbing poll numbers indicating that many of the current crop of Hillary Clinton voters are saying they won’t vote for Obama in the fall:
According to the exit polls, half of Clinton’s supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with John McCain. A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Just 48 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.
Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.
Obama voters appear to be more willing to support Clinton in November. In Indiana, 59 percent of Obama backers said they’d vote for Clinton, and 70 percent of Obama backers in North Carolina said they’d support the New York Democrat.
These poll numbers do reveal a potential vulnerability for Obama — namely, the persistence of racism as a motivating factor in voter behavior, and its possible appearance here. As we’ve said, merely waving a magic wand of "transcending politics" won’t make it go away. Certainly, some of these "dropouts" just don’t like him as a candidate, but some are doing so for troubling reasons.
However, you can’t help but wonder if the reality that at least some of these "working class white voters" who are coming out for Hillary are actually doing so at the behest of people like Rush Limbaugh — the very people who have made her life a living hell for chunks of the past 16 years, and people who are doing so with the explicit intent of throwing the Democratic Party into chaos — doesn’t prick Clinton’s conscience a little.
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MSNBC calls it For Obama as soon as polls closed. Indiana is still to early to call
thanks for the topic, David. this is exactly why this needs to end sooner rather than later. We have a lot of healing to do
I went with the cheapo post instead of that, thanks for the update :)
time heals all polls.
One of these days I’ll have a chance to sit down and write up my experiences at our CD-level caucus on Saturday. Eye opening differences between the two groups that make me afraid for the general.
CNN just called it for Obama in North Carolina. A huge win for him, meaning, double digits?
Will it come down to the number of Republicans voting for Clinton in Indiana?
These are really early poll closings. How do working people vote?
could be since they called it right at the time the polls closed.
We will have to wait and see the margin of the win.
Racism is persistent. Remember that Indiana was a stronghold for the KKK! Traditions die hard.
Supreme Court
Also, I despise Tim Russert.
Can we agree on that despite which Democrat we favor for the fall?
they don’t. to close polls at 6pm is ridiculous. how is that democratic? /snark
Question:
If Rush Limpball and the other residents of wingnut land want Repugs to vote for Clinton what does that tell you about that candidate?
Meanwhile, CNN has been running disturbing poll numbers indicating that many of the current crop of Hillary Clinton voters are saying they won’t vote for Obama in the fall:
I refuse to believe that Hilary voters would give McCain a victory. I want to see CNN’s poll methodology.
Have you seen CNN’s parent company Time Warner’s stock price these guys no nothing about numbers look at the ten year chart.
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWX
MSM…black/white/black/white/black/white
Forking racists.
got my vote!
Absolutely. So is operation chaos working? In 2008?
the primary needs to end before June. Super delegates (in states that have already voted) quit being chicken shits and say who you support
I missed the last thread, did someone link to the article about the elderly nuns not allowed to vote in IN because they didn’t have a photo-id?
Who’ll Vote In The Fall?
for today, the burning question is:
Who’ll Fall in the Vote!
Don’t forget the John Birch Society as mentioned in the Charlie Daniels song “Long Haired Country Boy”
I so forking agree with you…. trying to find that tool that prevents my eyes getting stuck rolled back in my head….. where did I put that fram-a-stamit thingy?
sides have hardened. others said this shit was going to happen but others thought it would work itself out. great. we have yanked defeat out of the jaws of victory
Um … have you seen how they’ve been going all week ?
Huckabee is still getting 10% of the vote in IN.
David, I had C-SPAN on earlier today and heard one of the hosts talking about the Edwards and how they’re viewing Barack & Hillary. Edwards is leaning towards Barack and when he (Edwards) mentioned that Barack represents real change…Elizabeth cringed, grabbed the back of the chair as if to strangle it, and then said, “What about a woman?”.
I doubt there are a large portion of racists in the Democratic party. I see the party divided between choosing between a woman or a black man and both sides are firm in their choices. You pointed out that Obama supporters are more likely to vote for Hillary if she gets on the ballot. True (I won’t be, but I know most will). Why won’t the Hillary supporters vote for Barack if he gets on the ballot? Because these supporters still believe Hillary is the same Hillary of the 1990’s and will kill baby bunnies if she’s not on the ballot! No way would they vote for “her opponent”.
That’s how I see it.
It’s been in our news box for a couple of hours.
John 100 years of war McCain can unify us
I’m with ya Teddy … PumpkinHead is too kind a term for that infinite pool of drivel …
I always wonder how many of those voters plan to vote for McCain no matter who the D nominee is. Until we have a candidate and actively take on McCain, we haven’t hurt McC enough to cut into those voters who still believe he’s Mr Maverick.
Gawd…I think I just saw Russerts head do a 360….Tweety too…
yeah I have but it has taken arm twisting to get them to announce themselves.
Humor and wisdom … I bow to thee, Sir !
McCain barely got three-quarters of the vote in PA.
Why would GOP voters drag themselves to the polls to vote against their party’s actual nominee unless they HATE him?
I would say that I’d vote for whichever candidate vowed to make Timmeh illegal, but there’s an endless supply of wankers to replace him.
He really is especially vile, though.
Gosh I sure love Harold Ford being a pundit – not.
Yup.
Oh Lord … Harold Ford’s Lips on TeeVee … time for a double shot of Highland Park …
I’m glad you think that. But alienating segments of your party to go after another segment ain’t party building. i keep reading all this Obama has a problem with the bubba vote but no one is talking about Hillary’s problem with the black vote.
Why what happened an exorcist walk in the room?
Because they don’t have enough tools in-house, obviously.
My teevee’s IQ is plummeting listening to Scarborough and Ford.
I hate this. I hate this. I hate this.
And fork Limpballs too!!
Betcha couple dozen supers announce within 48 hours.
Joe Scar declaring the nomination for Obama if he wins in NC by double digits tonight
Huckabee is still getting 10% of the vote in IN.
I just found out today that noted non-sane-person Dan Burton has a primary fight on his hands here too. Waiting for news on that one…
Mine is rebelling and has reverted to black and white.
I think you are right
actually I believe Ford is a paid tool–an “MSNBC political analyst”
How that doesn’t conflict with being chairman of the DLC I have yet to figure out.
My hope as well …
I really like your appellation for Burton.
I could live a full and happy life without ever once hearing Jeremiah Wright’s name again.
I don’t see the conflict – the DLC are all paid tools too.
OT but I could live a full and happy life without ever once hearing Joe Lieberman’s whiny voice again.
Just consider how extra fulfilled and happy you shall be!
whiney?
Our friend Howie on the polls showing today’s voters won’t vote for the other:
they just showed the DNC 100 years McBush ad here in AZ on MSNBC….. woohoo!
Let’s hope Messrs. Scalia and Alito take note! LOL!
It keeps coming back to Scarecrow’s question from the other week:
What will Obama supporters do to reconcile with Clinton supporters and bring them on board if Obama is the nominee?
What will Clinton supporters do to reconcile with Obama supporters and bring them on board if Clinton is the nominee?
Both need the others’ supporters to win in the General Election.
And it has to be done without insulting the intelligence and integrity of the other candidate’s supporters
wobbly, would you please connect with me offline at barbara at clotheslineblog dot com?
Unless McCain chooses Farrakhan as his running mate, I expect we’ll hear a lot more about Rev. Wright …
A very small minuscule part of me would love it if Hillary won the presidency? Why? Because the largest angry mob in the history of angry mobs would bear down on Ass Limbo’s Florida home, rip his microphone away from him, and then proceed to dismember him live on his radio show!
I would love to see the day. *sigh* Dreaming is good for the soul.
The MSM being a bunch of GOP tools is spreading stories to turn us against each other have some faith reach out to the other side after all McCain will is already hopping for judges to turn back Roe v Wade.
That and African Americans who are at the bottom economically can’t afford to let McCain continue Bush economics.
Yes. I’m afraid George Bush with still “speak” after the election.
Indiana too early to call still.
FWIW, I should add a caveat that I didn’t manage to include in the post: These polls are probably not good gauges of how people actually will vote in the fall. Tempers cool and good sense eventually kicks in; a lot of those saying they won’t vote for Obama eventually will come around, I think. But these numbers do tell us that there’s a lot of work to do.
whining
Kos has this update
I love how MSNoron slides the “age metric” around. Weren’t “older voters” over 40 last time?
sure will do
um…group hug?
ROFL
((((( Kay )))))
I agree (re poppycock). I think it’s even possible some have said they won’t. I think it’s intended to be additional pressure on the peeps and sheeps to back HRC. If they’re motivated enough to get their carcasses to the primary (though I’m certain Repub voters are attempting to swing the balance to ensure emergence of their best and favorite target, Hil) they will vote and they will not vote for George III.
Eugene!
Good Catch we need a post though to combat the MSM meme that Hilary people won’t vote for Obama and vice a versa.
MSNBC punditry seems to be edging toward declaring tonight a win overall for Obama…
The losing candidate must embrace the winning candidate, immediately, publicly, and unreservedly. And urge their supporters to do the same.
Any hint that they’re just going through the motions because someone’s prodding them with a stick would be very bad.
Yeah but blacks have historically been disenfranchised and survived. I could see many staying home and opting not to vote (same withthe young voters) IF they feel the nomination was unjustly given to Hillary
Yep.
Richmond Indiana
DC Stephenson
Well, I see that MSNBC has called NC for Obama… I’m happy to see my sweetie on the panel…!
Nonplussed, you have a message.
I was shocked that JoeScar made that statement …
thank you :)
They have to juggle things to get a story:)
Hillary needs to pick up ground; Obama merely needs to tread water. So if they break even tonight, or Clinton only nets a few delegates, that’s a win for Obama.
Pat Buchanan simply will not allow any fellow panelist to complete a sentence.
Whom ? David ? *g*
((( CT )))
I’ve been saying for a few days that Clinton and Obama need to pledge now, before the nomination is decided, that they will support the winner and urge their supporters to make the same pledge, as well. Maybe this would be a good FDL petition.
that line “you gotta know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em” keeps running through my mind – hello, Hillary?
Keith may call Indiana at the top of the hour. JAYT!!
Wait a minute. “A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Clinton”–is that a typo? Or did a third of the people who voted for Clinton in Indiana say they’re planning on voting for McCain in the fall? A THIRD?!
True so we don’t let that happen. We are the Left after all if we throw our weight with the African Americans the Democratic Party won’t be able to pull a fast one.
We also love your sweetie. ;-)
I always wonder what the cable guys means by “too early to call.” They used to say “too close to call.” Maybe “too early” means they want you to keep watching, even though it’s not that close.
I’m happy to see my sweetie on the panel…!
Ahem.
They have both already done that. For many voters, I suspect how this is handled at the convention – if it drags on that far – will be a major factor in how enthusiastic their own support will be.
It’s a republican trait. Be loud and obnoxious. Behave like a bully. People are sick of it.
Need Jim Webb types with shirtsleeves rolled up and open collars out there speaking for Obama. Need seasoned senior white women, too. MSNBC busily painting this as black v. white, and concern trolling will the black voters come back in the fall if Hillary’s the nominee.
News to Russet-head…Obama voters are multi-cultural… white, like me…
Shorter MSNBC tonight: yak, yak, yak…
Is CNN any better?
A wise acre, eh? *g*
Those must be the Dittoheads.
Uh oh. Operation Chaos exposed! *pushing Rush’s skirt down*
(((holding breath)))
Indiana is no more or less racist than the rest of this outfit!
NYTimes sez Indiana exit polls show a 60/40 split between white voters, advantage Clinton.
This may be why the networks are waiting; also, Gary and Indianapolis results not in.
You know I have first dibs if she ever switches…! ;-)
you rang?
Looks like Obabama’s 6:00 A.M. 1 vote lead (er, mine) isn’t holding up…
MSNBC Indiana still “Two Early to Call”
No one needs or should want the Clintons. Their voters are another question. I think Obama has the talent to marginalize the Clintons if he gets the nomination. I do not want to hear about Tuzla, nuking Iran or busting up OPEC or phony gas tax rebates. The Clintons do not talk about serious issues, period. Ban them. Then go for “their” voters. But “their” white uneducated voters may belong in significant part to Limbaugh. This is their new core constituency, right?
Has to be that way. I would say the same if it were reversed. Whoever wins, it has to be a just win. No funny business
ABSOLUTELY!!! Oops, sorry for shouting. If he has tough/fair surrogates speaking on his behalf, he can continue walking the high road. Been wondering for months why this isn’t happening. Read somewhere today that Gore may endorse at some point. December, maybe?
I agree
actually I believe that would be up to her
It was interesting that it was actually Scarb who reminded them that white young voters and others also support Obama.
I am so tired of the descriptions of voters as black/white/women/working class men, etc which ignores black women for example.
Indiana is no more or less racist than the rest of this outfit!
I wish you were right. Here on the ground, the facts skew differently. There are entire small cities where it’s tacitly understood (Greenfield, Kokomo) that “we don’t like your kind around here…
After tonite, there are fewer pledged delegates yet to be elected than there are undeclared superdelegates.
Their polls closed later
So ask Pat about those White American Nuns his Contras killed in the 80’s then ask him why he stayed in the Reagan White House after that happened.
If that doesn’t shut him up I’m out of ideas.
Keep in Mind, the man who wrote “Long-Haired Country Boy” is now one of the guys who chased the protagonist in “Ballad of Uneasy Rider,” and he changed the “Stoned in the morning, drunk in the afternoon” lyrics to “LHCB”
If you don’t believe me, read this…
Ol’ Charlie is just a bitter, old bigoted neocon now. He used to be damned cool. No more.
you voted early but not often?
Especially older black women, who have been quoted quite extensively as afraid to vote for Obama, fearing for his safety.
Sorry bro, I’m from Champaign and my mom is from Southern Illinois where there were plenty of “sunset towns”.
you voted early but not often?
Only voted once today – what the hell good is it to be schizophrenic if ya only get to vote once? *s*
Is it me, or is there something very incongruous about this sentence?
Well, It’s rather hard to be racist here in Hawaii, Raven…! ;-) Maybe that’s why Obama won 77% of the vote here in record turnout…
Looks as if North Carolina might go to Obama BIG- and Indiana will be a small win for Clinton if she wins at all.
That may be all she wrote—we may go to the other states- but it will be over barring some HUGE mistake by Obama…
As a woman of an age older than Hillary, I’ve heard dreadful accusations of racism, ignorance, Republicanism, etc. from Obama supporters, directed at Clinton supporters.
To his credit, Barack Obama isn’t trash talking Hillary Clinton’s supporters. He’s wise enough to know that those voters need to be won in November.
His supporters need to think how their Mama would react to being called all sorts of stupid things. For heavens sakes, don’t heedlessly piss off the folks you want to win later.
Russert going with the “they are both different candidates than they used to be,” thus pressing forward with the unspoken McCain straight talk meme.
Lord I hate him.
And haole’s can git their asses seriously kicked hiking on the wrong trails or hittin the wrong beach, no?
Exactly.
Great to see you back ’round here, Ellen!
Well—ask your Japanese neighbors how they would feel about the neighborhood goin Samoan…
My impression is that rascism is just DIFFERENT in Hawaii-
Still no results from Gary, Nap town, Bloomington. . .
pumpkinhead seems to be joining in the MSNBC slide toward declaring tonight a victory for Obama…emphasizes that Obama margin in NC may be substantially bigger than Clinton margin in IN
A report from Indianapolis – I live directly across the street from my polling place – I watched out the window all day and *never* saw a line of any kind outside.
Why did I get up to vote at 6:00 A.M. again?
Makes me wonder just how heavy the turnout is going to turn out to be from here, though.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a president with class? Imagine! Obama has run a classy campaign.
Tweety has a perpetual prediliction for searching out some stupid “human interest” angle to any question and ignoring the story that’s staring him in the place….he likes beer drinking, bowling stories.
They like to look smartypants, but they have access to exit polling they don’t share with us.
They shade their commentary to suit what they know will happen.
Not calling Indiana yet, even when Chuck Todd’s on the air. Todd seems dubious about even a 5-7 point victory for Clinton.
See my comment at 16 I don’t trust Main Stream Media polls that seem designed to tear us apart.
Come on, you were up!
CNN (consider the source) showing HRC up by 12% in IN w/38% of vote counted.
Chuck Todd also piling on
Of course, they have probably seen the exit polling that they haven’t yet let us see
Still no results from Gary, Nap town, Bloomington. . .
Marion County (Indianapolis) Clerk was saying this morning to expect no results outta here until 8:30 at the earliest…
Today on the way home I was listening to Howie Carr (right wing radio host out of Boston) and he was talking about Rev. Wright AGAIN. He was ranting about how Obama took this long to condemn Wright, because Wright is bad news. Then, it happened. A woman called in and started talking about John McCain and Rev. Hagee. This woman LOVES Rev. Hagee, but as she was throwing praises to Hagee and saying how he’s a biblical prophet etc., etc., etc., Howie Carr tells his listeners that he will still vote for John McCain even though he knows Rev. Hagee is very controversial and despises Howie’s Catholicism.
Nice huh? It’s okay for McCain to have a crazy Reverend but not the black Democratic candidate! Spit.
There’s little math involved and not much thinking at all. Therefore it’s Tweety’s niche.
Except for the fact that he’s hardly human.
Has CNN called it in Indiana?
Tweety gets shot down by Claire — “I’m not gonna do that, Chris….”
Now now, we get all upset when THEY dehumanize people.
Tweety pretends that he LIKES “the math” .
I ain’t buyin it!
Also, what Teddy said! (see 138)
That’s what the common man back home in Buffalo is interested in.
BRAVO!!! Loo Hoo. Well said!
local CBS did for Hillary
Can we trust the fact that 38% of the votes are already in in Indiana? Does it seem fast to you guys?
Oops, nevermind – got Tweety confused with Timmeh.
Timmeh makes Tweety look like a paragon of integrity.
Matthews insists on asking insipid questions. Claire McCaskill ignoring the bait.
That was after she had already shagged Hillary about getting her coffee out of the Cappacino machine at the gas station….
Kinda funny- we used to call that stuff “Bubba Cappacino” in the retail business…It’s pure sugar and bears about zero relationship to Cappacino.
Claire is a fuckin ELITEST!!
That’s quite a feat…
1.834 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Neiwert and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
(Note: in this comment I will designate Obama’s opponent in the Democratic primary as “she who will remain unnamed” to avoid unseen editing)
We have seen the use of race and gender in this primary as method of triangulating the middle and workin’ class and marginalizin’ both Blacks and women. I really don’t believe that white women will desert the Democratic Party in the fall but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised if they do because Black women have been sayin for years that the “women’s movement” is nuthin’ but a Jim Crow, middle class sorority. I think we should take seriously Rahm Emmanuel’s warnin’ that “the way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins this November”.
How “she who will remain nameless” handles defeat and what price she tries to extract from the Democratic Party for any nominal support for the nominee will go a long way toward tellin us what her real values and politics are. More than that, I wonder if she doesn’t come up with a bundle more grace and statesmanship than she has heretofore exhibited whether those who have been blindly followin her will stop short of the cliff.
It seems to me that up to this moment the extended primary has been valuable in showin us who has the chops to lead a diverse country in a time of peril and who is a political hack and tool for the wealthy minority who have been robbin’ the country blind for over 25 years.
Let’s hope that those who have been followin’ the nameless junior senator from New York are capable of learnin’ from their experience and will direct their anger where it belongs…and that ain’t on their brothers and sisters in the Democratic Party but on the political hack that took advantage of gender to triangulate ‘em right out to the margins again.
KEEP THE FAITH AND THEY WILL REVEAL THEMSELVES!!
North Carolina only has 8% reporting in but Indiana has 41% in already? Weird. Or am I missing something?
I think Claire would like to be Obama’s veep.
Indiana polls closed earlier and has a reputation for reporting quickly according the MSNBC
Apparently the pro- Obama parts have not reported yet …
Tweety struggling to convince us (or himself) that nobody won tonight–despite comments to the contrary (Obama win) by his MSNBC copundits
Ahhhhhhhhh, I see. Gotcha. ;-)
In my morning posts, I’ve asked a couple of times what supporters of each candidate think they want their candidate to do to heal the wounds if their candidate loses. Few have wanted to suggest anything, but i think it’s still a useful question.
The healing needs to start now, even if this continues.
OMG…. the HRC whine…. he outspent us 2 to 1……
I think Claire would love to be able to speak without makin people gag.
More Keith, less Tweety please
Well, I looked, but the problem I see with the statement I copied is:
I just think there’s a typo in the statement! [Mod: thank you]
Hillary’s “Victory Party” will be held a block from my place – walked by today and I think that a significant portion of the world’s satellite trucks are parked in that lot.
Have I ever said that I wouldn’t walk across the street to see HRC?
Tonight I’m gonna prove it.
I bet she could deliver Missouri for him. That would be worth something.
black women have been sayin for years that the “women’s movement” is nuthin’ but a Jim Crow, middle class sorority.
Have you been reading my sisters books on Feminism and Women of Color?
tweety’s fav subject…
Rev. Wright!!!
… which proves Obama is an elitist … /s
NC closed polls a half hour later, I think.
Lisa Caputo: Rev Wright MUST be an issue! Tim Russert spent 20 minutes asking Obama questions about him this past Sunday!
“If MI and FL are not brought into the national picture immediately and their votes counted, and if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will not vote for president in November. If MI and FL are returned to the national picture immediately and their votes counted, then I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever it is”.
Not necessarily, sorry, I was working on today’s M&C post, a mainland ha’ole could encounter problems, but, an akamai ha’ole has no prob… I’ve been to Waimanolo and shared beers with ‘Bumpy’ Kanahele and his ohana…! Not recommended for most…!
And now—back to Nora with the EXIT POLLS–cue exciting music to bury boring information.
I favor Napolitano, though, as McCain would have to fight for Arizona.
Remember what you said this morning….mix ‘n mingle, fart, and then leave! I’m counting on you to do that. ;-)
Here’s Booman on Indiana
by BooMan
Tue May 6th, 2008 at 06:42:57 PM EST
Here are my final projections based on exit polls showing Obama getting 92% of the black vote in Indiana and 91% of the black vote in North Carolina.
Indiana
CD-1 0.53 0.48 Obama 3-3
CD-2 0.45 0.55 Clinton 3-3
CD-3 0.46 0.54 Clinton 2-2
CD-4 0.48 0.52 Clinton 2-2
CD-5 0.57 0.43 Obama 3-3
CD-6 0.41 0.59 Clinton 3-2
CD-7 0.64 0.37 Obama 4-2
CD-8 0.41 0.59 Clinton 4-2
CD-9 0.41 0.59 Clinton 4-2
Total 0.49 0.51 Clinton 25-22
At-Large: Tie 8-8
PLEO Delegates: Clinton 5-4
Total: Clinton 38-34
here’s Booman’s Indiana Congressional District by District breakdown
The Clintons are a terrible example of leadership with their race baiting campaign and their pandering. The “healing” will have to come from elsewhere. The Clintons need to be marginalized.
Pretty clearly, if Obama lost I would want to see him go out and campaign hard and sincerely for Clinton among his former supporters–especially blacks and young people.
Working folks in our friends circle religiously vote absentee as do me and mrbrat. We find it oh so convenient and saves time & gasoline and sure beats standing in line. It really is a no-brainer for us here in car-crazed coastal California. ;~)
Sorry my 172 should have been a reply to Norske I thought I hit the reply button.
Yes.
I support the Democratic nominee for President.
Once again- Obama gets the blacks, Hillary gets the women- Obama gets the young peeps- an Hillary gets the geezer vote—-Obama gets the highly educated and Hillary gets the blue collar…
Who the fuck couldn’t do Nora’s act by now?
that is the sentiment i remember (although not the exact language) from my time in rainbow now in dallas (more than 10 years ago)
Did you see where Obama called Matt Lauer Tim three times on the today show the other day before Matt corrected him. I must admit to secretly being tickled with the error. I couldn’t help but giggle, since they’re two of a kind!
Remember what you said this morning….mix ‘n mingle, fart, and then leave! I’m counting on you to do that. ;-)
I’m afraid I might bite somebody…
Didn’t that music used to mean results were being announced?
They are using it now, Pavlov-like, to attune viewers. Sneaky and subliminable.
And here’s the thing. Obama would. Clinton wouldn’t.
I believe it was Nora O’Donnell on MSNBC who asked that very question this afternoon. If I remember right, she was interviewing James Clyburn.
Huge numbers still out in Indianapolis…with a lot to be counted. A Demo. area.
i don’t have a candidate.
but i’m feeling pretty beat up none the less.
Hey, wait a minute, was it white wine or red. And what if it was a shot and a beer!
Yep. That’s one of those things that Teddy Kennedy failed to do in ‘80 and we’ve been paying THAT price ever since.
Okay. That’ll work too. LOL
Teddy…. Please do NO…. If we lost the Gov…. all hope for our state will be lost….. it will fall into wingutty Repug hands….. Let her finish her term and take McBush’s seat….
Wouldn’t he be enraged if Obama picked her?
It might spark his “macaca moment”…saying something degrading to women
We have signed up to be “mail voters” this year too!
I kid that we are now “male voters.”
Yeah- I think you are right- every time they play it I start slobbering uncontrollably.
no, should i?
linky?
thanks!
*spew*
If you think you’ve seen whites who won’t for a black candidate, just wait until we get to Kentucky and West Virginia.
What is a PLEO delegate?
My state party used that term in a letter to state committee members. Did not explain it.
. . . which suggests how hard the problem might be.
How does saying that help their supporters support your preference? I don’t see how demonizing the other side helps.
The interesting thing is that in the Republican primaries (yep, they’re voting too) McSame hasn’t reached 80% in either state…
CBS calls Indiana for Clinton.
We near-geezers prefer to be called older but wiser.
I believe you are correct, unfortunately.
Is anyone keeping a delegate count or do we have any idea?
I’m 62 and a dedicated geezer.
Party
Leaders &
Elected
Officials
It’s one of several types of superdelegates
Thank you!!!
Scarecrow, this is the fundamental (urgh) issue needing resolution. How to heal this battered, fractured party. I didn’t see your question earlier. Did you do this as a post? It’s a fabulous question. I need to ponder this long and hard, because, as we all know, I am the alpha/omega woman on all matters political. Bwahahahahahaha!
Huge numbers still out in Indianapolis…with a lot to be counted. A Demo. area.
Marion County Clerk said this morning that if Indianapolis got any numbers out before 8:30, she’d be amazed. It could be a while yet.
They won’t know until they get a better idea of the margins.
62 here too, and I’m either an old fart or a crone-in-training.
Sounds like prematurely geezed. :)
im feeling footloose and fancyfree,and HOWARD FINEMAN…is back to his shoe polish helmet head look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBbMXYDsXw
It happens when you least expect it.
We have seen the use of race and gender in this primary as method of triangulating the middle and workin’ class and marginalizin’ both Blacks and women.
That is the problem triangulation works when the majority is in the middle this is a change election we are polarized 70% at one end 30% at the other with hardly any middle.
You can’t afford to offend any one group this election because everyone is paying attention as evidenced by record Democratic primary voting.
We need less confrontational tactics what worked in the last war/election won’t work now.
Focus on the micro trend of the differences between Hilary and Obama supporters and you miss seeing the macro trend tidal wave of End this War Now! We want National Healthcare now heading toward the beach.
I believe that old fart and geezer are gender-specific terms.
Hoo-ha. Geezers for Obama. Well, this geezer for Obama. And I’m supposed to be poster babe for HRC’s base, i.e., older white women. Ptui.
1,834 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen leftdchin:
“The Clinton’s need to be marginalized.”
They have marginalized themselves but they have taken a chunk of the Democratic Party with them. Maybe we have seen the last of “triangulation” and the use of race and gender to divide the workin’ and middle class. I firmly believe in the people of my country and I think they are gunna stand up outta the foxholes Mr. and Mrs. Bill have scared ‘em into and take the country back this fall.
Don’t be surprised if we have a party change in the Senate this summer…I wonder how New York will respond…there’s a huge vacuum in the Republican Party and who will get the corporate money waitin’ for the “new” Republican leader? Wanna guess?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION NOW WE KNOW WHO THE ENEMY IS AND SHE AIN’T US!!
Indiana numbers are starting to move….
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I still don’t like either candidate much and really don’t give a shit which of em is the candidate- I’ll vote against McBush the Geezer in the fall.
Obama has gotten 90% of the AA vote. Without it, he wouldn’t win.
It is not race baiting to point out that a certain bloc of voters votes a certain way. Is it gender baiting to point out that Clinton gets a larger percentage of the female vote?
The race baiting charge has been the race baiting.
While I am sure racism plays a part in some of these voters saying they will not vote for Obama, there is also no doubt that many Americans would not vote for Clinton because she’s a woman. I’m not sure the inference is necessarily as cynical as it being racism here. It may well be that Clinton is getting the voter who doesn’t want a Republican in there because of what Bush has done but also feels Obama is too far to the left.
This is why I’ve felt all along that Clinton has the better shot in November, because Americans are conservative (not in ideology but in decision making) in that voting booth, and they’ll go for the closer compromise. Obama feels too unknown, rightly or wrongly.
Yo! (raises hand)
Bob in HI
It’s when you stop buying green bananas that you have to bring on the geez-worry
MSNBC (at least on my local cable channel) has repeatedly tonight run an anti-union message, claiming that the type of election preferred by management on whether their employees will unionize (at least as I understand it from posts here) is undemocratic…
Is anybody else seeing that?
I want a bumper sticker that says “geezers for Obama”. Would show it proudly.
What are you reading?
That has been why I’m not a member of any feminist group. It has always been the interest of white women, not women of color.
KO says that Rush didn’t win the Indiana primary…Tweety looks stunned as he just lost his favorite story line.
((( *g* )))
I’m still not quite sure how to act with the entire country paying attention, for the first time in about 40 years, to Indiana’s vote…
Scarecrow, if you’re still around, I used to be for Clinton until Bosnia and Bill, and now support Obama. I would still like to see a dream team ticket.
Rachel and KO say that Obama is really cool and that Hillary really sucks…guess that’s why they aren’t reporters.
And CNN hasn’t called it yet…
I think you get it without the books I probably need to read them my sister is at school so I don’t know which books she would recommend.
Pat Buchanan continuing to try to rain on Obama’s parade…now David Gregory joining them
retch
I think you’re right, and I say that with no small amount of sadness as a white woman. What were we thinkin’? Oh, wait, we weren’t.
Na.Ga.Happen …
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
Oh, noes!!! My mother was an old fart… Can’t I be one too?
I can never keep up with what Indiana does about daylight saving time. They are different from the rest of the country.
Yes. It also runs on Countdown here.
It’s an anti-”card check election” ad.
You mean the one with the “union boss” in the voting booth with the guy?
CSpan/AP….
Bender on AA now has it down to 8%…
All of which immaterial given that the delegate numbers will swing very little regardless…..the Booman piece linked to upthread makes that very clear
the ESTABLISHMENT hates Obama…so…i luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurve him
My boy stays in Kealakekua, he mingles just fine. Old door gunner and San Fran fireman.
But why wasn’t it a topic of debate like he and the blue collar white vote?
IIRC, Scarecrow put the question into a comment on thread of one of his posts. Don’t remember which one it was though.
That’s really the only vote that REALLY counts. Just hold your nose, bring a barf bag if you need to, and chant “Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court” as you cast your vote.
I thought you were leavin untl the primaries were over? :)
Farmers claim that daylight savings time screws up the cows. (always makes me giggle).
Tweety back on the Limbaugh effect- must have been the only story line he prepped for.
I know it probably won’t happen, but still. Who would Obama choose? Edwards? That would be very cool…
yes im a DFH
Okay, as a special treat!
Here’s the C-Span count link.
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Women of a certain age hereabouts prefer “crone,” which I am partial to as well.
It’s all about re-capturing the terms formerly used as abuse, and owning them.
yes.
it might fool some people.
intuitively, a secret ballot would seem to be more democratic.
Heavy voting causes Indiana ballot shortages, delays tallies in Porter County
some polling places ordered open late.
Thanks for watching, so I don’t have to. lol I decided awhile ago cable was a waste of money, except for C-Span.
For the first time the other day, I had someone at the barber shop ask if I was entitled to the senior citizen discount. They had to ask.
I can never keep up with what Indiana does about daylight saving time.
Hell – I live here, and *I* can’t keep up with it.
They are different from the rest of the country.
You have no idea how much that is true, and on how many levels…
well, i don’t think the african american women who took charge of the dallas now chapter would agree with you. but won’t disagree with your general point if you would include a “many” instead of claiming to speak for all women of color.
You can be whatever you want.
It’s worse when they call you “sir”.
They’re all Eastern now. They don’t realize they’re a thousand miles from the Atlantic, and no one has the heart to tell them.
Tweety would hate to admit that limbaugh isn’t relevant
Try Arizona.
Bob in HI
im a gorgeous blonde .blue-eyed variety crone…”G”
I’m in favor of geezer pride- but not for McBush.
It used to be that only the counties in the Central time zone went on daylight savings time (which was just a few in the northwest corner).
I believe last summer or maybe this one, the Eastern time zone has gone Daylight Savings time as well, leaving I believe Arizona and Hawaii as the only states not doing daylight savings.
Many folks in Indiana are not happy with the R governor who pushed the daylight savings through the state lege.
Especially if your name is barbara.
Um, don’t chew gum, don’t “adjust yourself,” and keep the language G-rated.
well, if you ever have a recommendation, i’m alway up for adding good books or references to my reading list. although at this rate i may need 6 lifetimes to get through them all. *g*
Always say yes.
Not that he really CARES about Limbaugh mind you- it’s just the kind of story he likes.
NORON
I had a driver lower the front of the bus for me as I was getting on the other day. I was a little shocked.
CNN shows Clinton by 8% in IN with 53% of votes counted.
Nobody has asked me that in 25 years – sigh :)
…which KO just declared to be the case
Gracias.
Pat is desperate why can’t Obama win in Kentucky? F him Obama is doing better than any Dem in how long in IDAHO .
Arizona also does not go on DST
Here’s Scarecrow’s challenge:
Not even! You Sir/Madam, are a Curmudgeon!
new thread knuckle heads
I did not know the time conversation could be so interesting. Thank you all. I used to work for some folks that had part of the staff in Indianapolis. I could never remember when was the right time to call…crazy.
keep the language G-rated.
Say what?
And they start with Yes, Mam very early. Drives me nuts.
I’ll talk to my sister but maybe Norske has a suggestion ?
Especially for us EM.
Oh, lordy, missed it by — weeks!
I love “crone,” because of the “wise woman” connotations. I fully intend to be a crone after I retire.
knuckle heads are you Moe? Oh a wise guy Nyahh
Let me add that back when I was backing Clinton, I was pissed when Obama said “Hillary’s voters will support me, but the reverse isn’t true”. I remember thinking “two can play that game”, but since I’ve soured on Hillary, that feeling no longer applies. Although I’ve always resented her war votes, the women in my life had pushed me into Hillary’s corner and it’s taken a lot for me to turn to my wife and my aunt and say to both “I can’t stand her right wing pandering anymore!” But even when my passion for Hillary was high (as I felt I was being cheated out of a Woman President and perhaps a permanent change in politics) and I was thinking of staying home in November, that voice saying “McSame” was there. What I’m here to say is that voice will calm folks down before November. Passions are high right now, Hillary’s voters are saying stupid things and that sentiment will fade, when faced with four more years of “McSame”. Her supporters will come home, as soon as the reality of more years in Iraq, more conservative judges, more deficits/tax cuts for the rich and no change in health care, is the net effect of voting for McCain (or staying home). Every state that she’s won (except Texas), will come home and vote for him. Blue states will stay blue and red states will begin to become purple and some change from red to blue (hello Virgina)! McCain is not going to win California, New York, or any other large state that she claims Obama’s not going to win. And for all that, we can thank George W. Bush. As divided as we are now, it’s the idea of “McSame” that has to be pounded over and over and we will be united. Most of all, Hillary will be supporting Obama, if she wants to have a future. Otherwise, not only will the party bosses be dedicated to burying her, all of the left will be backing her opponent in 2012, even if that means giving to a Repug and putting up with him for 6 years.
Lookin for a book? Watch this Youtuber for Matt Taibbi’s new one
“It’s worse when they call you “sir”.”
At the grocery store, I get one bag of stuff, and the bagger asks if I want help taking my bag out to the car, while he’s putting the bag in my shopping cart. Geez, do I look that decrepit?
Bob in HI
soitenly
Better than getting called dude.
I was trying to make a silly comment about behavior… Never mind… (thinking that the behavior might be noticed by the nation, you see…)
You KNOW I’m just foolin around!
And what do you get with the Clintons back in the White House, another lost Congress (94), NAFTA, Communications Act of 96, George Tenet, Sandy Berger, self indulgence to the extreme, ineffectiveness and personal business plans for their future. Hey I maxed out early on contributions for the Clintons before Obama took off. Bottom line, the Clintons are a terrible example for this country in so many ways. I never in my wildest dreams thought a disbarred lawyer (Bill Clinton) could run around claiming authority to do anything. What an utter waste of everybody’s time those two are. But they are such a complete terrible example of leadership.
Citizen Raven:
Yo Raven…any word from the kiddo?
Not a peep bro. Wish they were on Facebook or I had their email.
Wonder if the mods would forward an email from one of us????
LOL!
The Indiana Secretary of State does not apparently put up election results. I went to the site clicked on 2008 Primary Results and got sent to the Indiana government homepage. What a waste.
“This is why I’ve felt all along that Clinton has the better shot in November, because Americans are conservative (not in ideology but in decision making) in that voting booth, and they’ll go for the closer compromise. Obama feels too unknown, rightly or wrongly.”
I disagree on both counts. The data I’ve seen shows that Obama’s numbers are more favorable against John 100 years in Iraq McCain. Also, the electorate is reflective of the spirit of the time or larger archetypal forces, meaning, we are more conservative at times and at other times, more progressive, and not static, but dynamic. 8>)
Perhaps because the culture, including the media, is biased and grounded in a worldview which is predominantly white, Western, and male? What do you think?
i speak of my own expereinces and since I don’t live in Texas, I can’t speak to that chapter of NOW. But in general my expereinces have been negative for women of color.