52% Clinton
48% Obama
North Carolina (85% reporting):
42% Clinton
56% Obama
It’s looking like Gary, Indiana, could play a significant role in the campaign, because the results coming in from that corner of the state will determine the final margin of Hillary Clinton’s CBS-declared victory there. And county officials say that results there won’t be available until midnight CDT at the earliest.
But Clinton’s Indiana margin has been shrinking steadily throughout the night, and indeed it’s mathematically possible at this point for Obama to overtake her, or at least forge a much narrower loss than it looked like earlier in the evening. Depends on how many folks in Gary voted, and how they voted.
Either way, it’s clear she won’t have the solid win she needed to get in Indiana (much less the runaway win she craved), and it’s going to be tough to convince both superdelegates and donors from this point onward …
… Meanwhile, CNN’s P0litical Ticker wonders if Limbaugh’s "Operation Chaos" had its intended effect in Indiana. Perhaps — though if the current shrinking margin is anything to go by, I’d say it was pretty weak. I did see one MSNBC poll that found that 11 percent of the Democratic primary voters in Indiana were self-identified Republicans, which is somewhat high.
Still, it’s also true that Limbaugh called out his troops in North Carolina. And I’d say they were miserable failures there.



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So, David!
Hi David…. quite a trouper tonight….. voted yet in Oregon?
David!
SO what are they doing to cook the books in Gary/Lake County?
Just asking
David! thank you for another excellent (and timely) post
i am pinching myself,how can somebody be so delusional
Hi David.
Here it comes.
And Thank you David!
Hillary. “It’s so close…” WHere’s my barf bag?
I have a large selection of forks. Will someone PLEASE take one of them and stick it into Hillary? She’s done… At least she said she would work for the nominee.
salon.com headline who’s HRC corollary you’ll never see:
wow, talk about a nail biter.
but her speech is just detached from reality. Someone please tell her to stop pimping the gas tax.
It’s over. Double digit loss in NC.
Maybe a MARGINAL win in IN.
Someone call her, and let her know Larue thanks her for her triangular ingratitude to the party, but it’s over.
Harumph.
No surprise; McCain can’t get the Thugs to come vote either.
Listening to Clinton’s concession speech. Listen to the tone. She knows it’s game over.
Actually- I’ve been watching the Indiana vote count for a couple of hours and her margin has grown just a bit recently from just over 30,000 to just over 40,000.
Won’t do her any good- but it looks as if she will win.
Here what comes, newt? Obamanation?
Bill wants to get off that stage, oh the unbearable weights…wonder what he is drinking tonight.
She’s now traveled to another planet. No longer grounded in reality.
Ain’t that the gospel truth…
“I win, he wins, I win, he wins…”
Sorry, Hillary, it’s not about the I, it’s about the O.
There are 11,000 absentee ballots to be counted, and they don’t want to release the results until they are counted.
Subdued crowd, don’t you think?
It’s like watching the Spurs/Hornets game last night.
Hillary needs to finish the last few primaries-Obama may fall into a pile of shit between now and November- and she needs to be in a position to take the nomination if it happens. She knows that’s the only way she gets this thing.
Did she say “as we go on with this campaign” or “if we go on with this campaign” ??
he looks like a half asleep hick with his mouth hanging open like that.
Chelsea looks like she KNOWS it’s over,
She should have done the classy thing and conceded tonight, no one would think the lesser of her …
She’ll win. But not by what she was supposed to, by a bunch. She also put out that NC was going to be close, within single digits. Not so much….
I think I’d be drinking tequila.
that is what ive said…it is really freaky
Also depends on whether or not there will be a fair vote in Gary. I have deep suspicions about that.
Bill and Chelsea have that get me outta hear look … of course, Bill really put his own rep on the line in NC … all the talk of all his appearances
Higher registrations.
Higher fundraising.
Higher poll numbers.
The Democratic party is being destroyed by this primary season.
Burma.
Bill’s complexion is getting redder. And Hillary does look like she’s been crying.
you’d think they could have started counting them, uh, this morning, maybe?
Did we just hear Senator Clinton ask to be SecState?
I’m a Seattleite. I did go to my caucuses.
Obama said it was about US….. HRC keeps saying the I word…. where are we HRC? What about us HRC?
i still read Glenn. other than that, I’m just over it with Salon! It’s not that I begrudge anyones choice in this primary, but the way Walsh has done it is despicable!
Yeah. Chelsea’s practically crying.
yeah- she didn’t get what she needed tonight. It’s over unless Obama craters.
Not going to comment on her No, get out now and wait in the wings. If all goes to pot, she will be the nominee but this shit is OVER
Damn… This IS beginning to sound like a concession speech…
what the hell happened to BILLS face?
O o. She’s thanking her staff and supporters and family. She’s saying good-bye. This is it. Love you Hillary!
Am I hearing Hillary make a concession speech?
yeah, Hills, there’s no “i” in “just go away, please”
Dave … the YouTube looks fascinating … I’m saving it to watch carefully later .. thank you!
His eyes tell the tale.
True dat
All those favors they promised. It was gonna be a lock.
He’s been campaiging in North Carolina- outside it looks like.
Hello, David!
Wow — North Carolina’s polls closed a full half-hour after Indiana’s, and they called it for Obama immediately. If the current margins hold, Hillary picks up 35 delegates, and Obama picks up 42, which widens his delegate lead over her by seven even as the delegate pool grows ever smaller.
I hope for Hillary’s sake that less than 4% of the Indiana vote is tied to Rush Limbaugh. If he is shown to have given her the margin of victory, that hurts more than the rumor (which Terry Mac wouldn’t deny tonight) that she had to loan her campaign another $5 million recently.
It’s all good news for the republicans, though.
Oh, shit… “Now it’s on to WV and KY…”
veep
i think this is the pre-concession speech
Oh dear. What happened with that post.
Here it goes: No, she should get out now and wait in the wings. If all goes to pot, she will be the nominee but this shit is OVER
It’s starting to sound like a concession speech. “Didn’t Chelsea do a great job”?
Bill is feeling her pain, really.
It didn’t work.
Listening to it now on MSNBC.
At LEAST a unity plea.
But yeah, the rest?
Gag me with a shovel.
Well, lemme take that back.
It DOES sound more and more like a conciliatory speech, the deeper she’s gettiing into it!!!
Announcement soon, 24 hours, when the fundraising phones go quiet tomorrow, with unanswered and unreturned calls. At last.
And what of the traitors Gore and Edwards, to the progressive cause, who REFUSED to lay their necks on the line as of yesterday and today?
So who’s Obama gonna pick for a VP?
Gore and Edwards HAVE to be out, I just can’t respect either one of them.
Damn but I’d KILL to have Kuch!!!
Beating McCain with Obama should NOT be too hard at this point.
We sure got a lot of proof and evidence against a third Bush Reign.
And war and the economy trump most everything else.
We fight back.
Harumph.
bills crying!!!!!!!
he is!!!!!
sadly no.
Bill rubbing his eye
Think about this a moment. In 2004, Bush won NC by 12 points. Although the Republican nomination is settled for President, there were important statewide primaries for the Senate and Governor, so the R’s must have been doing some GOTV effort. The ratio of Democratic votes to Republican votes tonight is more than 3 to 1. Absolutely astounding.
What? Nobody has Dugg this post yet? Here!
It sure has that feel … very odd indeed … concession in everything except the we’re going on …
sounds like she is setting up for the big concession speech to be given later.
She doesn’t even sound convinced of her own candidacy anymore. Even the florida and michigan bullsit was half hearted
My Oregon family are voting right now…. mailing those ballots in…
It has that sound to it to me, too. Parts of it, anyway.
uggh Floridahhh
Hmmm…Gary, IN could produce an Obama win in IN?
Here’s another Gary production that seems appropriate for Hillary’s campaign:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=snihdG1rE0Y
this is trully BIZZARO,ive been around the block a few times,this is PURE delusion…scary
I am sad for her.
Oh, fuck. Now she’s back on FL and MI…. Give it up, lady… [I chose not to use the first word that came to mind…]
I doubt it … she’s undercutting Obama, which is not good the Dems in November …
“flags at half mast”…for this campaign
Dang, she invoked FL and MI.
She’s not done!!!! Aiiiiiiiyiiiiiii yiiiiiiii will SOMEONE rid me of this meddlesome mendicant!
Harumph.
I’m sad for him. He laid down on the tracks for this.
shut up TWEETY
thank goddess that speech is over
Tweety: it was charming no shots against obama blah blah blah
Think about what she did to Obama’s kneecaps.
Hillary’s talk of going forward was half-hearted. She knows it’s over.
This is priceless… From the Politico…
Tweety is on his joint ticket bit again … give it up
Tweety sees a political mating game afoot
they know she has lost but are still trying to be in denial
reality is creeping in…
they keep pushing the meme that the votes were fair there….. and HRC is sure that the low information voters will believe it….. NOT
Lots! Take it from a native! I wouldn’t count Obama’s chances of winning out yet, that’s for sure!
Is this the most bizarre speech you have ever heard? Almost multiple personalities….
While Olbermann quotes Churchill
Keith is so dissapointing tonight ,what gives
applauding sadlyyes!
I guess he missed the first line and that bit about Mi Fl …
The use of “Tweety” and “mating” in the same sentence gives me hives.
well that was weird
yes it is queer
So did everyone in the audience.
And her husband and daughter. I’m thinking there was a difference of opinion in that family about what here speech was to be about tonight and what she would do next.
It did seem like a concession speech to me.
Just said the same thing myself. This is for all intents and purposes, her farewell. Got to say, as happy as I am that Obama has done so well tonight, I do feel a bit sorry for Hillary. She has been a fierce opponent. You have to admire that.
Now if she would try to take this fight to the floor of the convention, my sympathy for her would come to an abrupt end. I don’t really think in spite of all the rhetoric tonight that she will. She will just end this on her own terms, at her chosen time.
She’ll go on- but she won’t spend much money on it- and her tone will be much milder…
The only way she wins is if Obama steps on it- there’s low risk for her to finish.
exactly
Rightfully so!
me too
Hill seems totally LOST
Are the only people of color there at the HRC even the security people?
If you look for Rangoon.
But you look too soon . . . .
It’s all wet.
Aid it will not let.
It’s Burma Shave.
I’m sorry, but I have NO pity for her. Her campaign has been shameful.
9/11. Count every vote. Evan Bayh. Gracious NC voters.
She’s a very effective Senator for NY. She should stay there and stick to her knitting and turn into a major power in the Senate. I’ve said that for years…
Why the hell did she mention the Democratic Convention? Does she intend to stay in the race that long?
I think that the Supers now need to shut this DOWN! She didn’t pull off the upset in North Carolina and barely won in Indiana (if in fact she has). Obama is going to actually pick up 10 or more regular delegates tonight. He’s well over 145 ahead. Now the math is that she has to win on the order of 70% of the upcoming votes.
Stop jousting with windmills, Hillary. You might kill the burro!
Gary, Indenial
I wish I could agree … she would have edited the darts at Obama if she was going to concede …
After the “obliterate Iran” statement, she should be made to be as irrelevant as humanly possible till the end of her term, and then she should be soundly dismissed!
bingo
She has to begin to embrace Obamas supporters and convince her own to vote Obama. And we have to renew our pressure on Obama before the corporate vultures move in to force us out (I know, I know, they are already in there!)
I would be happy if she fought this hard on the floor of the Senate.
Still counting tomorrow morning because some areas were overwhelmed? Egads.
I am amazed that Indiana has gone this far.
Yes. CA Supers will move by Friday.
i dont think she is a great law maker
she is NOT magnanimous Little Tim
Fern … I think you’re right … it’s was quite a dynamic on that stage .. wow
As things stand right now, Gary Indiana still out (county pop 480,000, compared to Marion (Indianapolis) approx 850,000), 85% of NC precincts in, Obama’s popular vote lead expanded tonight from 500,000 to 660,000.
She’s sinking…
Russert sez she’ll want to say, “I told you so” if things go McCain’s way in November.
Mr just showed me tha tthe lil troll doll on my desk and timmeh indeed look a lot alike. I think it is the psychopathic smile
See Timmeh’s nose? I’m considering it may be rhinophyma…
She was speaking to her husband when she talked about going on to the rest of the states, not to us or the audience.
He asked her to stop, and she said no.
wag
I think it opened the door to conceding.
In another race of note for FDL folks, Blue America candidate Jim Neal lost his bid to Kay Hagan, and so will not be the one to oppose Liddy Dole in November. (She’s got to be very nervous, watching the returns tonight.)
Timmeh thinks Obama should pay Hillary’s debt … ?
It was a very strange speech, half concession, half we will fight on. I think events have confused her and she needs a night’s sleep and maybe a day or two to figure out just what happened this evening. For those of us with more distance on this, tonight was her last chance to change the momentum of the campaign and to make her case to the superdelegates and it didn’t happen. The DNC and the Obama campaign are not going to let MI and FL affect the results. So her campaign is over if not done. She can go on but at this point more at a cost to herself than to Obama. Clinton though has never been good at reading the writing on the wall but right now that writing looks like a big Obama poster.
I’m back!!!
Was Hillary’s speech as much a snoozer on the teevee as it was in person?
What did I miss? Where does Indiana stand?
yes. Bubba’s race-baiting tactics backfired, overwhelmed by the Obama forces.
McCain-Rove, you’re on notice.
Obama calling on us to pay off her debt? Timmeh, put down the pipe. I’m not down with that right now. Come talk to me after the GE
The hairstyles are similar too, wobbs…! ;-)
Tim sez HRC meets with her super-ds tomorrow.
Me, too, Teddy, although I quit supporting her long ago. Partly her behavior in the campaign, partly that I’m sick of this tendency to elect meembers of the same family, but mostly because I’ve always believed she is not electable.
And, oh btw, I am a 58-yr.old white feminist woman. Oh yes, college-educated tho’ – maybe that trumps the rest?
Timmy needs the makeup guys STAT….. eeeewwwwwwwwww
agreed – and he and Chelsea had that look of being supportive of loved one who you are watching mess up …
I think that crap was driven by this campaign, but I will give you that the vote authorizing Iraq was beyond bone-headed. Even I knew that invading Iraq was flat-out illegal.
you’re effing kidding me
ha.
damn. too bad. I hope he doesn’t bow out of politics all together. He is awesome and really addressed liberal issues
Were you there? Did you see Bill and Chelsea? What did you think about the family dynamic up on stage?
What?
Between Illinois and Ohio, just south of Michigan and north of Kentucky.
teehee your right.
No way my small contributions should be funnelled to Mark Penn!
Still close, waiting for the late reports. At first said it may be midnight, now saying it may be earlier. Up for grabs.
Hey Jayt! how did the crowd take it? we all found it a very weird speech – half concession, half fight and very odd
LOL!!!
Between Illinois and Ohio.
They will stream to Senator Obama, now that the math is that much more certain.
A bunch are playing it close to the vest up to now.
Damn … he would have been so good!
thanks for the update …
Yes. I’ve been pleased with her senatorial performance. She can do much more good there than leading the country to yet another disastrous Repub government.
Tweety asks now if Democrats understand the media’s ignoring McCain is good for McCain.
ummm
Russert mentions Hagee, McCain’s confusion of Shia and Sunni, first and current gulf war, etc … I’m gobsmacked
Hillary has accomplished very little as a Senator. In his two years, Obama has gotten many more bills of his passed than Hillary has done in her six years.
Like all DLCers, she’s there to keep us Liberals in check, and make sure we don’t overturn BigMoney’s applecart.
Make no mistake about it, even if she does drop out at some point, the Clintons and their DLC brethren will be pulling every behind-the-scenes lever to undermine efforts like Blue America and anything Obama will try to get done.
It’s throwdown time. The heart and soul of the DemocratIC Party is at stake. Are you game?
Pumkinhead talking about McCains screw-ups…
WOW…. ARE they talking about MY Senator? Saying the truth…. FACTS… WOW
Hey Neuro is see you are on duty keeping these pups digging
Were you there?
Yeah – flew out the door at the last minute. Got within about 20 feet. Pretty exciting to see the Big Dawg, though he zoned out a few times during the speech, went totally slack-jawed, and looked like the village idiot.
But after the speech, there was a very big, very genuine-looking hug between Bill and Hil. Looked very real, and actually jumped right out at me.
Oh, you went!
Did the audience look as gloomy in person as they did on TV?
OK, but where did you read that Friday is the ticket.
Zut! You got to that first!
And what about the marriage? If this dream is really gone,,,,
I guess he’s figuring we’re too fracking stupid to figure out what the MSM is doing… Not really, Timmeh…
timmah has sniffed a change in the air and is acting accordingly… until he gets the call in his dressing room from the WH
i agree,and she voted for the war,AND Kyl Lieberman…ewwww
Hey Jayt! how did the crowd take it?
That was a very quiet room, right up to the moment that Hill took the stage.
Strange thing was – at no time did I have the feeling I was standing in a room full of Democrats.
Talking heads now discussing whether the Dem contest has taken the media’s focus off McCain and his mistakes. Like confusing Shia and Sunni. Timmeh saying he confused the first gulf war with this conflict about it being for oil. What a tool!
in a word, pathetic.
Russert looks like he got a chemical peel yesterday
CNN talking about how irregular things are in Gary + some of other parts of the Indiana race. Ugggg
Georgia conducted the first execution in a long time…
Did the audience look as gloomy in person as they did on TV?
Yes.
Me, I’m praying that was the hug that a husband gives a wife when he knows something that she may not be willing to admit…
Shit!
I agree with Buchanan.
Shoot me now!
Wow. Pat says her speech was the end
That was the final nail in the coffin for me. I’m still slack-jawed with astonishment that she actually said such a thing.
Of course, her going on BillO’s show was a close second in amazing, horrifying behavior by a Democrat.
Even so, if she had won the nomination, I’d vote for her AND work for her to keep McCain out.
It’s insane for any Democrat to say they’d vote for McCain if their candidate doesn’t win.
Did it help?
Think the Clinton marriage will survive this?
These moments will be less and less frequent now that our race is over.
Please relax. The pain will end soon.
You probably weren’t. At least, not Democrats as you and we would understand the term.
Hah, excellent question…! ;-)
If Gary Indiana comes in as expected, Hillary will win Indiana by under 1 percent.
I smell toast.
yes.
I am surprised McCain doens’t confuse the second Iraq war with the Spanish-American War.
Russert is just another of these babbling buffoons. He doesn’t really care. He has the house in Nantucket. None of the idiots at NBC are likely to notice what an idiot he is so really from where he’s sitting there is no downside.
Every once in a while, he’s actually right.
and it IS scary.
Ma thoughts exzactly.
So, jayt, you went after all?
Now now, these things happen from time to time … mustn’t let yourself get down … *g*
Scary isn’t it….. me too…
And agree with Rachel too
The irregular thing would be if the elections in Gary went off smoothly. This is a longstanding tradition in the corner of the state of Indiana closest to Cook County Chicago politics.
It’s more of a business than a marriage. They’ll go on.
I bet Bill is getting an earful right now…or perhaps he is lending her a shoulder to cry on…
Unlike David Broder, my concern for the Clinton marriage is infinitely tiny.
I couldn’t care less.
I smell Astroglide.
Probably both at once, which is of course awkward for the person lending the ear.
both and more! I bet Chelsea went to her room!
bone chilling ain’t it.
ditto
lol!
So, jayt, you went after all?
yeppers. Absolute last-second decision, heard Timmeh say she was gonna address her crowd soon, threw on a shirt, and went flying out the door.
Is Indianapolis fully in?
Well it depends upon what you mean by irregular. As the Supreme Court case upholding Indiana’s ID law conceded there has never been a case of voter fraud prosecuted in the state.
huh *scoobydoo*
Did Tweety just wjine about the fact that they were going to do the racial breakdown? I must have gotten sucked into a parallel dimension
Well, I’ll sleep tonight. I was horrifically distressed after Pennsylvania.
Jayt … it’s pretty interesting that you were able to get in at the last minute – that does not sound like a packed house … guess the support was not so high
He’s probably totally wiped out.
Gary is the big hold out…!
Can’t you just see him patting her on the head and saying in that southern gravel, “There, there now Monic….. I mean Miss Hillary. Every thing is going to be all right.”
Re: Uncle Pat’s rightness even when very very wrong…
pigs + blind = truffles
_____
(once in a blue moon and/or on that very rare occasion that Jack Germond beats Hunter Thompson during their daily foot races on the beach in heaven)
I think Indy is mostly in – Lake Co. (wink, wink) still out.
Hey – is the Murat Center the old Murat Shrine Temple? Or built on its site?
(can you tell how long it’s been since I was in Indy?)
You!
You are so evil!
Doing my best, nahant!
Where ya been? :)
siri, gotta agree with on that! Like big time!
Jayt … it’s pretty interesting that you were able to get in at the last minute
Yeah, the room was about 2/3 full – I just walked in, got within about 20 feet of the stage – no problem.
Very few smiles in that room…
I think they said something about how early the polls closed, holding back the count until all could be counted (unusual practice that allows for messing) + the new ID rules. I forget who was speaking, but a number of concerns.
Someone said earlier that Hillary was wearing blue, so maybe they’ll be fine tonight. Pantsuit though? Who knows…
it was a whine for sure
Yep, that’s why they needed the law… to make sure it never happens…! 8-(
ROFL … Truffles …
Onto the White House.
WHAT a mammoth sham!
ooooohhhhhh! That’s bad.
WaPo says at 11:18pm EDT that mayor of Gary says turnout was really huge, absentees look more like 11K, so counting still on-going, and:
turnout may be big enough to turn Indiana to Obama.
((((( Mary )))))
NC Board of Elections site (excellent site)
currently: 92 of 100 counties completely reported
Clinton 41.86%
Obama 55.87
I’m thinking the partially reported counties probably picked up all of the early votes, which I’m guessing were significant and why the numbers haven’t changed much as the counties completed.
http://results.enr.clarityelec…..mmary.html
That “obliteration” remark alone likely got Senator Byrd, the revered icon of West Virginia, out of her camp. I suspect that he’ll now throw both his Super Delegate vote and his endorsement to Obama. Senator Byrd’s daughter Mona, is married to an Iranian-American…and no Iranian-American I know appreciates talk of nuclear annihilation of their former country and its tens of millions of people.
Hey – is the Murat Center the old Murat Shrine Temple?
Yes, it is. Gorgeously re-done – it’s really quite a place now. I took my bar exam there, back in the late 1980’s – the place was a barn. It’s really a special place now – just a wonderful venue.
Speech pushed forward timewise to get ahead of reality?
Early work…guess I will not know til morning. My best.
Noron sez Obama gained on Hillary among Catholics and those with middle-class incomes.
53% said Hill was the one for the economy, but, didn’t she say she didn’t cotton to economists…?
KO said too close to call with 87% of the vote counted
Thank you. Thank you vurry much.
Aloha, Rev!
She was wearing a colour of blue that is hard to find and looks particularly good on me.
I really trust these numbers.
weren’t they both about equally unjustified?
although that point might be a bit too subtle for Tweety to grasp
That comment should have slammed any doors closed for her.
What arrogance!
What complete irresponsibility, just to try and prove that she actually has testicles.
I’m gonna need one of my raw chocolate truffles in celebration for the close race.
Call her! She’ll probably sell it to ya!
tis a great color
Yeah. One of my MOST favorite colors.
back in a bit…
Interesting about the Iranian-American inlaw. I’ve heard it argued that the racial/ethnic issue in this country will be solved by ethnically mixed marriages and grandchildren. It’s hard to be prejudiced against a group when it includes somebody in your own family.
I have a Jewish niece and nephew and a black niece, so this works for our family.
Wonder what Carville’s next “Mommy! Mommy! Look at me!!!” quote will be tomorrow…
10:11 — Just posted by Poblano, who is doing his own modeling of the vote count:
I’m now showing Clinton winning Indiana by 1.8 percent, or about 23,000 votes. And one thing to remember about Indiana is the provisional ballot issue — people who were rejected at the polls because they did not meet the state’s ID requirements could still cast provisional ballots and prove their identity later. It’s possible that we’ll still have a hanging chads type of situation.
Hell, we are still occupying Puerto Rico after more than 100 years.
That’s a great point, egregious. Further evidence comes from gay people, and lesbians. My redneck family choked and then totally changed their tune when a second family member came out!
The ‘Obliterate Iran’ is particularly galling when the future POTUS ought to know that most Iranians are against Ahmedinijad and the Ayatollahs …
Did anybody notice that Hill alone almost doubled McCain’s vote totals in NC? Obama almost triples McInsane’s… Where’s the talking heads about those #’s, hmmm…?
heads up McThusula will be on TDS tomorrow night. I hope Jon doesn’t give him the free ride he usually does.
Isn’t religion a choice you make as an adult?
Can’t do much about your skin pigmentation. I never understand when those two are conflated.
Todd: Pennsylvania completed erased by tonight’s results.
Twain re: your comment:
“I would be happy if she fought this hard on the floor of the Senate.”
Yep, that was one of the things, among others, that turned me off re: Hillary.
I would say “I wish she would have fought so hard on the floor of the Senate”. Which she did not. Seems to me that many of her senate moves were in support of her Presidential run. Triangulating. She really didn’t stand up on principal. It was always towards the view “what I will do when I am President”. Which was her most important talking point.
Yeah, well screw that. She always had her eye on the prize. Anything else she did in the Senate came second.
i hope jon shreds him
*sigh* i also still believe in santa clause
Er, not in that family. Grandmother is a 7th generation sabra.
I am having to endure Tweety, Punkinhaid, David Gregory and Pat Buchanan so I can get KO, Rachel, and Eugene Robinson. Not fair.
Would love to see Lake County IN go for Obama and tip the race.
“…McThusula…”
Excellent!
oh the hell with THAT! putting her on the ticket!
after what Cheney’s done to the VP???! We NEED someone with integrity and true patriotism in that office to clean it the hell up!
not original. Someone else here came up with it. I just ran with it . . . like it a lot.
What does that mean?
I mean that she’ll take that “4th Branch” chit and RUN RUN RUN with it. I don’t believe Obi will accept her anywhere.
That’s my new favorite!
Good Evening Dave and Firedogs -
just got home and waitin’ like the rest
Joseph Stiglitz , yeah, that Joseph Stiglitz is from Gary
I hate to say it, but Tim Russert nailed it.
Tomorrow, Shil has to make phone calls to superdels, and finance people.
The finance people are NOT gonna help her out much, anymore.
The superdels, will hedge on their funds available.
And as Russert caps it, Shil will go to Obama and ask for some help with her debt, for her supporters.
And then, she’ll step down. With grace and decorum.
And if Obama offers her Veep, shel’ll have the grace to say No.
And she’ll be living for 2012 no matter WHO wins the ‘08.
And shel’ll tear this party, and this country apart, using her gender issue, all over again.,
Harumph.
Yep! McThusula — thumbs up
which distinguishes her somewhat from McBush, who has never heard of them…
Sabra = native born in Israel.
I was appalled at her win here, but, Pelosi, SciFi and Boxer and MY Congrat Matsui are all girls girls.
Never mind what they all rep in progressive terms, which is very little than Roe v. Wade, and that’s been obliterated by their choices for Supremes and their combined lack of action on behalf of pro choice, gay rights, and in general, a lack of voting for progressive ideals across the board.
Dawg help us all, we need change, and gender has NOTHING to do with it.
Yer either progressive, or yer not. The agenda is clear. The goals are stated.
With us. Or against us.
Gender, race, sexual preference, class status and income play NO part in this rightous struggle.
Only one can win. And the loss will doom us all as a species as mama nature makes the decision, for us.
Hilary needs to get out of the way.
Harumph.
ah, thanks.
She can still chose to be another religion, or none at all, right? (rhetorical)
HRC has run a shameful campaign, with the assinine attacks on a fellow democrat instead of the R candidate. I won’t be sorry at all to see her go. Her campaign was all about “I”, while O’s was and is about WE. The democratic plan should now be that HRC tones down the rhetoric against O and start attacking M. If she gets with the program, I may start to forgive her for the past negative rhetoric.
WayneC
Awwwww – I feel sorry for how sorry she surely is on this fine North Carolina and Indiana evening.
Now THAT’S an interesting conjecture.
You got my Hmmmmmmmm . . . .
Wadda ya know, gal, wadda ya suspect? Hmmmmm? *G*