Blue Texan! So!

IMO, if they were rational, they wouldn’t be fundies in the first place.

Republicans have won 5 of the past 7 presidentials, controlled the House from 1994-2006, and controlled the entire federal government for most of the Bush years and yet, have failed to ban abortion, failed to ban gay marriage, and failed to ban gay abortions. And really, they didn’t even try.

You have summed up the Republican Revolution.

bom dia, BT

Repug mantra: Tell them it’s going to trickle dow and then talk about abortion. It is their fallback issue (well that and teh gays)

Gay abortions? Now I am sure they would be for (retroactive) gay abortions (aka capital punishment for gays!)

This organization has nothing to do with the “right to life” I would guess. Their agenda is purely political—

Political parties borrow issues like books from a library– run it up the flag pole and see if it gets saluted- if not- borrow another.

Many political operatives are attorneys- they could just as well use either side of an argument if it benefits their candidate.

they capitalize on those one issue voters.

The Republics never intended to actually ban abortion or gay marriage. They’d lose those issues for elections. They know that their supporters are happy to have strident rhetoric and never notice the lack of results.

Well what can we do about it. Is there going to be a prosecution?

Abortion is a great issue for goopers- it’s too important an issue for them to ever outlaw it. If it were outlawed- it wouldn’t work as an issue any more.

Fundies? Wake up?

I’m sorry, they live their whole live in a dream world.

I’ve always found it repulsively hypocritical that they decry abortion because it ends precious life but are rabid death penalty folks. I guess some life is more precious than others.

LOL! so succinct and so true.

But what I find so baffling about these anti-choice fundies is that their slavish loyalty to the GOP has netted them absolutely nothing over the past 30 years.

Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts = nothing?
“Partial Birth Abortion” ban with no protection for the health of the mother = nothing?

It’s slow, but it’s “progress” as the anti-choicers define it.

I wonder if they made that clear to the Bush appointees to SCOTUS?

But what I find so baffling about these anti-choice fundies is that their slavish loyalty to the GOP has netted them absolutely nothing over the past 30 years. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

I disagree. They are maybe 1 vote from overturning Roe V. Wade in the Supreme court and there’s two doxzen states that would pass near total bans within 5 minutes of the ruling. ONE MORE GOP APPT, and you can kiss Roe V. Wade goodbye.

They realized long ago that the courts and constitution were their enemies and they directed their efforts there.

Boxturtle (I fear they’ve gotten good value for tehir support and they’re nearing a BIG cash in)

Interesting that they are only targeting Obama. Not surprising just interesting that they go after one dem and not the other. Plays to the larger narrative it seems

I’ve always found it repulsively hypocritical that they decry abortion…but get them themselves (or for their girlfriends/mistresses/wives).

Scalia said recently that, despite his personal loathing of abortion, there is nothing in the Constitution that can give him reason to overturn Roe v. Wade and outlaw it.

The GOP is hoping that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is wrong? Voters cannot care about Abortion or Gay Marriage unless it is effecting them personally when basic needs like food and gas are not met.
The GOP is trying to say the word Racism and scapegoat the brown people but they need to convince the voters that it really is the dark people and not the war for oil that are to blame for higher gas prices.
I do not think their plan has any chance of working.

” 1. Biological and Physiological needs - air, food, drink, shelter, warmth, sex, sleep, etc.

2. Safety needs - protection from elements, security, order, law, limits, stability, etc.

3. Belongingness and Love needs - work group, family, affection, relationships, etc.

4. Esteem needs - self-esteem, achievement, mastery, independence, status, dominance, prestige, managerial responsibility, etc.

5. Self-Actualization needs - realising personal potential, self-fulfillment, seeking personal growth and peak experiences.”

http://www.businessballs.com/maslow.htm

I wish someone would take this group to court and sue them for all they are worth. Also, where is the law enforcement on this? Will they be charged with a crime? Suggest a phone and e-mail blitz to Indiana AG office.

He also said to a group of school children that “the constitution is dead.”

They’re targeting Obama because he’s ahead. They want the Democratic primary race to run as long as they can so Johnnie Mack can look “presidential” without breaking a sweat. Once he actually has to campaign, to put up or shut up, he’s burnt toast.

Most of the anti-abortion types are NOT hypocrites. They’re decent folk who truly believe that abortion is murder.

It’s a very difficult issue to find common ground and there may not be common ground. But we’ll never get there if we refer to people sincere in their beliefs as “Enslavers” or “Fundies” while they call us “Child Killers” and “devil worshippers”.

Boxturtle (My position: If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one)

Politicians are game players—they join a team and wear the team colors- usually because either that team has an advantage in the area where they chose to run- or because they think that they have a better chance of winning the nomination of that team..They will change teams when it benefits them and don the colors of the opposition.

They then pick “issues” to run on- many of them are “team issues” and they take the standard position of the team….

There is no reason to think that they actually give a shit about those issues- it’s all about winning.

failed to ban gay marriage, and failed to ban gay abortions.

Too funny, BT. would it be okay to abort if the fetus was gay?

Until it’s time for a vote. Then he’ll side with the fundies and overturn it in a heartbeat! GUARANTEED!

Yeah! Where is law enforcement unless the robocall people are basedin Indiana ten its a Federal Crime so where is the FBI?

that as well.

I don’t think so. The GOP can’t afford to lose abortion as an issue (let alone for personal reasons! Heh-heh).

Said something similar about flag-burning. Even he recognizes it is protected under freedom of expression.

I respectfully disagree. they claim it on the basis that life is precious but then are strong supporters of the death penalty. That, in my book, is hypocritical.

you mean sort of like what the NRA does, rattles their chains, which rattles some nerves, who rattle their coffers, then NRA run to the bank.

bot onto these illegal robocalls (bobocalls) what is being done on a legal basis? Let me guess, nada.

so now we have the skinny black man with the scary middle name trying to kill the white babies. oy…this is like a bad comedy

“Fundie” is just short for Fundamentalist, which is long to write. I don’t see it as a perjorative term.

I’d also be willing to bet that, statistically, there are as many, or more, abortions per capita in those conservative and Bible Belt states as in the “blue” states.

I have no animosity toward Fundamentalists per se. I happen to think that, for the most part, they are people who are exploited by snake oil salesmen who prey on their desires, desperation in a lot of cases, and their need for answers.

Why is it hypocritical? One can be in favor of death penalty for those who take life and still be against abortion- which takes the life of the innocent in their minds.

I don’t agree with them- but I see no hypocricy or internal contradiction in those positions.

I was really surprised to learn recently that Obama supported that ridiculous flag burning bill. Wha…?

I think I just explained why it is hypocritical. We can just say we agree to disagree and move on, right?

Hadn’t heard that- do you have a link to more on that?

I’d also be willing to bet that, statistically, there are as many, or more, abortions per capita in those conservative and Bible Belt states as in the “blue” states.

Interesting got a link?

Well sure if you prefer not to discuss it.

to make ot the more clearer:

To oppose abortion on the basis of the claim that LIFE is precious contradicts someone supporting the death penalty whose purpose is to take life.

Catholics, of course, are against BOTH abortion and capital punishment.

I’ve always found it repulsively hypocritical that they decry abortion because it ends precious life but are rabid death penalty folks.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winnah!

What is to discuss, I stated as to why it is hypocritical which you read and then ask me why it is hypocritical. So umm I’m gonna take a stab here and guess that your not going to convince me otherwise and I’m not really interested in convincing anyone else

I respectfully disagree. they claim it on the basis that life is precious but then are strong supporters of the death penalty. That, in my book, is hypocritical.

*sputter* YOU…DARE…TO…DISAGREE…WITH…ME?!?
It’s been so long since that’s happened I forget the penalty! :-)

Yes, I agree with you that is hypocritical. Their arguement right back is that the fetus has done nothing, while the criminal has been convicted and sentenced. I see that as more of a rationalization than an argument, myself.

The Catholics are consistant, they are against both.

Boxturtle (Congress should not give moral guidence or medical advice)

Unless you’re Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Sam Alito, or John Roberts

Sen Barack Obama on Voting Against Flag-Burning Amendment

Don’t be ridiculous. There’s no such thing as a gay fetus. They’re turned gay after birth by the radical gays pushing the radical gay agenda /s.

OT

“Committee chairman accuses VA of criminal negligence”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....erans_care

Firepups know where I stand on VA.

I wouldn’t know, i can’t speak for all catholics but my issue with the death penalty is not one of all life is precious so much as it is not a deterrent that works and to claim it as so is disingenuous. It is revenge and that is my problem with it

I hear you, RK, but these people are pretty black and white, don’t you think? Abortion is legal or it isn’t.

or Jeb Bush.

IOKIYAR, remember?

Well except that it has been shopwn time and time again that innocent people have been convicted of crimes that they did not convict. If the state wants to indulge in revenge killings, call it whatit is. Don’t hide it under the guise that it deters people from committing crimes

O/T, but big:

FBI raids Office of Special Counsel (Scott Bloch) in DC!

*head desk* I always seem to forget that part of the mantra.

thanks

“Let’s not be too rough on our own ignorance. It’s what makes America great!”
– Frank Zappa.

Once he actually has to campaign, to put up or shut up, he’s burnt toast.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a second winnah!

This man can’t think his way out of a paper bag, and even with his BBQ eating groupies he will eventually be revealed as the lump he is.

The term “fundies” applies to people who want to change the law based on their personal religious beliefs, thus imposing said beliefs on everyone else.

I’m sorry, in my book, they deserve a pejorative.

oh and teehee. I think the punishment has to do with a wet noodle and lashes or maybe it was lashes madeof wet noodles. I forget

Sort of the number of us who Pick and Choose what we believe is much higher than the Church wants to believe but magically we do elect prochoice politicians.

Yes- I should have said “the catholic church” rather than “catholics”.

That’s technically the official Roman Catholic position, but I’d wager less than half of American Catholics actually buy it.

We’re on the same page, it’s nothing more than revenge, it does not have any deterrent effect, it costs 5-10 times as much as a life sentence, and it’s fatally flawed. We’d be much better off without it.

Boxturtle (The only capitol crime should be annoying me. And it shouldn’t require judicial intervention)

I’d wager even less than that we all knew girls who had sex and kids back in highschool.

true and not a whole lot in Europe either (go figure)

agreed. we certainly would be a better off society without it.

Right, except in Europe the positions are reversed (pro-choice, anti-death penalty).

Is this related to White House emails Please God, Please God, Please:)

If there was a deterrent effect, Texas would be a crime-free state. Executions only deter the executed from committing crimes.

Don’t worry about it:)

could it be finally the fbi has had enough.

kinda doubtful.

That is one of the oddest things about Texas. Texans are always bragging about how awesome we are, and we have more people in jail than anyone else. Which means, more Texans are crooks than anyone else.

But if you ask someone here, they’ll say (seriously) — well, we build prisons for all the other states too.

You want common ground, here’s common ground: not only is nobody in this country required to have an abortion (as they are in China, for instance), nobody’s tax dollars should be required to go toward paying for one. For those that do not consider abortion murder, the option of abortion is left open to them.

However, for those that don’t want an abortion but feel forced into one because they can’t afford a baby, a fund will be developed for fundies to contribute to so that they can help the parent of the unaffordable baby from birth to the age of majority. The fund will be made available to all mothers who want to apply, and they can opt out if they become financially able to afford their own child. In the meanwhile, the parent will be required to follow certain rules of the fund. Those rules may include a choice of the religion in which they will educate the child (some form of Protestantism or Catholic, likely). Parents may be required to baptize the child, to bring it to church and attend the church with the child for as long as the parent remains dependent on the fund. Presumably there will be some rules regarding additional children from the same parent. The rules will evolve according to what the people who set up the fund feel is a reasonable return on their investment. It may include that there be no homosexual activity, that sort of thing. (I’m just asking that these folks put their money where their mouths are. Also, that they prove that Obama was incorrect when he said he didn’t want his children to be punished with a baby due to a mistake. Personally, I think he was right!)

So criminals come to Texas from out of State because despite the punishments its worth it?

I think they’re getting SCOTUS appointments. One more and Scalia’s plan to turn us back to the dark ages can come to fruition. We’ll be recognizing the pope as de facto head of state with one more of their SCOTUS appointments.

PW !

msmolly linked that one downstairs - didn’t see the Kos pc - thanks

my gut is going crazy saying Fisher’s departure and Coughlin’s plea agreement are tied in to this

That is what I meant. When I lived in Europe, it was very easy to go purchase a day-after pill. No questions and no one cared. They view the death peanlty as barbaric. I would have to agree

it’s revenge

I’m really confused about who to root for…

Hmmmm… Maybe we can bring back the Magdalen laundries…

Wish it were that easy! No, gays must not be killed; they must be converted!

See, I could sign up to that. Dunno if the other side could, but I could. But how do we have a civilized discussion between babykillers and enslaving cavemen?

Boxturtle (I truly wish that it was not so important to some that I follow their religious beliefs)

We need to get that film shown on network tv! That and Michael Moore’s “Sicko”

Fundie fund. Heh.

The issue is that people lok at abortion from a wide variety of filters. It is a bit ironic because some of the birth control available in this country for women works the same as the day after pill. It just keeps a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall.

But if my monthly medical insurance premium is paying for some man’s dick to get hard then why can’t those same premiums pay for the day after pill or other medical procedures?

clusterf*ck apparently sees no contradiction either. He put down around 150 death row inmates in Tx, with only 30 minute reviews by Abu G. Details by Gonzales were only of only the hideous crimes, not any other “new” evidence or other boring stuff.

I think he only commuted one death sentence while Gov, one highly public case right before he declared himself “compassionate” while running for President.

It is a fact that we build lots of prisons to house inmates from all over the country. I think it’s because Texas is big and we like putting people in jail.

No, that’s why I said I’d be willing to bet. There is no way to measure it since 1) women’s clinics don’t take info. like that; 2) people can cross state lines to get abortions.

I base my belief, though, on a belief that, for women, abortion is a matter of survival and a very base, visceral thing.

it is all they have to do Blue. They get paid for doing this by little ole’ church going thumpers with their quarters. This is a business. It is very much like a congress person’s “legal defense fund”

Really? I didn’t know that! I knew that Hillary supported it, but I didn’t know Obama did also. For a Constitutional lawyer, that’s not something I consider Kosher at all!

I understand

All this goes hand in hand with sex education and open communication between kids and parents. I can’t believe some of the stuff that my friends’ parents were telling them.

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Citizen Blue Texan:

Has there been a statement on this slandering from either the Obama or the Clinton campaigns? It seems to me that we can get a real good look at Mrs. Clinton’s statesmanship, political values and fitness to serve by whether and how she responds to this attack and whether or not she is willin’ to stand with another DEMOCRAT against the common enemy of the American people.

The coordination of the corporate media and the Clinton campaigns in targeting Obama with McCrazy talkin points has been very evident since Pennsylvania and the relationship of the outfit that fucked up the voter registration in North Carolina and the Clinton campaign has never been investigated. No matter what the outcome of today’s primaries, we hafta put the heat on Mrs. Clinton to take a stand on these tactics and make a campaign issue of voter protection and campaign reform.

KEEP THE FAITH, IT’S NOT GUNNA BE OVER UNTIL WE PUT THE BAD GUYS AND GALS OUTTA THIS THING!!

it didn’t pass. it couldn’t have passed. afterall that is how you retire an old flag.

ew, mike duncanof rnc on my teevee right now.

hrc: can we trust her?
bo: is he ready?

they are both “flawed”.

hahahaha

he also begs to differ with experts on gas tax. ugh.

you expect differently from the repugs?

Has there been a statement on this slandering from either the Obama or the Clinton campaigns?

There won’t be until after the polls close. This benefits both of them, most likely.

It would be most interesting to follow the money and see who really sponsored these calls.

Boxturtle (Laying odds it will trace back to a major GOP supporter)

What? More extra legal scumbaggery from the Bush DOJ.

Say it aint so.

-G

no, but duncan isn’t only differing from the “experts” but with most of the american people who see is as pandering.

why don’t they just slowly back away from the stupidity?

never mind!

Yo, ‘pups.

My abortion rant is here, in case anyone’s interested.

My Pop died a 1:50 this morning, so, I won’t even be lurking today.

Well hold on, because I think I’m wrong about it and my instinct - that Obama would not support it - was correct.

This is where I read it, though, but I think they’re wrong, so let the record be corrected: Obama did not support the flag burning bill. Not sure why these people say he did, but this is where I got the idea, at any rate:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/012481.php

From twolf’s link (#49) upthread:

As Richard Savage of Bloomington, Illinois wrote to me, ‘I am a Vietnam veteran and Republican. . . . Those who would burn the flag destroy the symbol of freedom, but amending the Constitution would destroy part of freedom itself.’ Mr. Savage is right, which is why I will vote against this amendment.”

— Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, on June 27, 2006

Was there some other flag-burning vote of which I am unaware?

Sorry to hear that, BobbyG.

I knew it couldn’t pass, as did Hillary and Obama, but that’s not the point! The point is that they refuse to recognize and state very clearly to the electorate that flag-burning is a form of political protest that is protected under the constitution as freedom of expression and that to make a law against it would be to create an unconstitutional law. How can the electorate get educated if their public official find it more expedient to pander to them! I think it’s a disgusting display of lack of courage!

see link at 49

OT - Tribes getting the shaft from Bush judicial appointee Janice Rogers Brown.
From Indianz.Com

Appeals court judge strikes blows against Indian rights
Monday, May 5, 2008

In just under three years on the bench, one of President Bush’s controversial judicial nominees has written negative rulings in three high-profile Indian law cases.

Janice Rogers Brown sits on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, one of the most important in the nation. Besides hearing a significant number of Indian law cases, the circuit is considered a stepping-stone for the U.S. Supreme Court.

Brown, a former California judge, is sometimes mentioned as a possible high court nominee. Going by her rulings, she’d likely fit in with the more conservative justices on the Supreme Court, which has slowly eroded tribal rights over the last two decades.

In the latest case, Brown authored a dissent that struck down key provisions of the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934. She is the only judge among three other circuit courts to rule that the land-into-trust process violates the U.S. Constitution.

The Supreme Court has been asked repeatedly to do the same by a number of states and will hear a land-into-trust case this fall. The justices, however, won’t be addressing the constitutionality argument in Carcieri v. Kempthorne.

But Indian gaming opponents plan to use Brown’s dissent to revive the issue, which last drew a critique from Justice Antonin Scalia Scalia is among the most conservative members of the high court and said he would have accepted a South Dakota case in 1996 that challenged the constitutionality of the IRA.

…

Bobby — our thoughts are with you. I miss my Dad too. Same generation.

O Bobby. I’m so sorry.

(((((((BobbyG and family)))))))

My condolences, Bobby. Best to you and yours.

((((BobbyG))))

((bobbyg))

take care.

((((BobbyG & the Gs))))
I’m so sorry,
he was lucky to have you, don’t ever forget that.

Rest in peace Mr. G.

Thanks for sharing Bobby. Take some time for yourself and your family.

-G

Well, thanks for the correction. I’m so happy to know that a constitutional law professor really would not support that stupid flag-burning bill! Wow, you almost had me convinced!

Bobby, my friend, my thoughts are with you.

Thoughts and good wishes with you Bobby G.

((((((((((BobbyG))))))))))

Sorry to hear of your loss Bobby. Remember the good things/times.

(((BobbyG))) my deepest condolences

BTW, I read your post and bookmarked it. It was fablous

o/t but not:

mccain would appoint more conservative judges

sounds like an fdl post waiting to happen.

i hate those robocalls. i received what was supposed to pass as a “pro-Hillary” call during the TN primary … at 3am. certainly designed to do exactly the opposite that it claimed.

“But what I find so baffling about these anti-choice fundies is that their slavish loyalty to the GOP has netted them absolutely nothing over the past 30 years. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada”

i disagree that nothing has been accomplished by the nazi-esque “pro-life” organizations over the years. i’ll grant you they have not (yet) overturned Roe v. Wade, but they have certainly chipped away at a woman’s access to full reproductive choice across the country. In many states, access to abortion is either not available or available at extreme hardship to women. far fewer medical professionals are available to perform an abortion procedure. the cottage industry of “pregnancy counseling” houses has exploded, passing themselves off as objectively offering support for girls and women who are pregnant.

it’s been nothing but an all out assault against women’s reproductive choice for more than 25yrs, with varied degrees of success.

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Citizen BoxTurtle:

“(Laying odds that it will trace back to a major GOP supporter.)”

Yes but how do we know that that “GOP supporter” is not also a supporter of the junior senator from New York…Rupert Murdock or Ricard Scaife for instance? There is a dangerous attitude of resignation that the horrible corruption and slandering that is on-going in this campaign is unstoppable and jest part of “business as usual”…there hasta be push back and a united DEMOCRATIC response to these tactics and make it an issue like the war in Iraq.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, NO MORE BUSINESS AS USUAL!!

he didn’t support it

google is our friend. anytime I hear what either candidate supposedly did, i google before reacting. Lots of incorrect info floating around out there

So sorry to hear that BobbyG…may he RIP

bobbyG - i’m terribly sorry for your loss.

shameful isn’t it? You want to talk about misogyny, look at the medical/healthcare field

So sorry for your loss…share the pain, ya know where we live, brother.

Yes but how do we know that that “GOP supporter” is not also a supporter of the junior senator from New York…Rupert Murdock or Ricard Scaife for instance?

We don’t. But I’m so tired of the backbiting between Hillary and Obama supporters that I sometimes don’t say all I’m thinking for fear of starting another flame war.

Boxturtle (I’d like to think if Hillary was behind it, she’s smart enough to pick an issue where she isn’t equally vulnerable)

Bobby, you have my deepest sympathies for your loss. Mourn the death, but remember the life!

Boxturtle

No one could have anticipated…

don’t get me started on the mammogram machine…

Our local antiabortion crusader is a misogynist to the extreme. The issue is tailor made for sick attention seekers who hate women. He started screaming at the mothers who objected to his graphic pictures on display for all the schoolchildren who need to be ‘educated’ about abortion before they’ve even heard about the birds and the bees. He’s off the hook.

So sorry for your loss, Bobby G. Best wishes and all the condolences you can handle.

When my doctor gave me a bad time about what he called “whining” about the pain of a mammogram, I told him that I was waiting for medical science to come up with the same sort of machine to test of testicular cancer. He did not like that one bit.

(I’d like to think if Hillary was behind it, she’s smart enough to pick an issue where she isn’t equally vulnerable)

Which is exactly why it is most likely a GOPer. Leaving their options open to hit her with it, too.

Take my Rice, please.

-G

wow. insane. i was amazed that for the longest I had to have a referral to see the ob/gyn and birth control was pout of pocket but those blue pills were on the formulary. just pisses me off

btw, i need to use preview more…my spelling and typos. oy vay

right on. see if he likes his berries smashed.

There is a certain amount of ‘you don’t know what it feels like, so don’t tell me it won’t hurt’. (Been there, done that, can you at least warm the tools up first?)

Have you ever seen the ‘practice instructions’ for mammograms? Lie down on the garage floor and have someone back the car very slowly … and the other one, with the bookends stored in the freezer.

We need a test to screen for doctors who shame their patients by accusing them of whining about pain, esp. doctors who see people at their most vulnerable.

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Citizen BoxTurtle:

“I’d like to think if Hillary was behind it, she’s smart enough to pick an issue where she is equally vulnerable.”

But the point isn’t whether or not “Hillary was behind it”, the point is that she doesn’t renounce the tactics and distance herself from ANYone who sponsors such tactics. The fact that she choses to maintain a profound silence on such behavior must become an issue at some point…she either takes a public stand against this shit, standing on the same podium as Obama, or she stands exposed with her corporate sponsors as bein’ totally irrelevant and unable to control her own campaign. The term “tool” comes to mind.

KEEP THE FAITH FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITON NUTHIN’ IS “INEVITABLE”!!!

Although off topic, this story from ThinkProgressToday warrants mentioning: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/06/bloch-raid/

FBI agents raided the home and office of federal Special Counsel Scott Bloch, seizing computers and documents in relation to a corruption investigation.

(snip)

Bloch was charged with looking into whether Karl Rove used government resources to help elect Republicans in 2006. Yet Bloch has engaged in his own Rove-like behavior and has been under investigation since 2005.

(snip)

It’ll never happen. AS someone noted, birth control pills are out of pocket while Viagra is often covered.

It’s like someone said, “If men had babies, abortion would be a sacrament.”

booyah!

Jane has composed a fresh new post for us about Harry Reid and Joe Lieberman: US Senate as Frat Party!

And, not allow any doctor to practice as a pediatrician until they’ve had kids of their own. My doctor improved 1000% as a human being after he’d had a baby with his wife - no more nonsense with the “on demand” breastfeedings and “no bottles” etc.

that is hysterical. I must pass this along to my mom and mother-in-law.

If men had babies, they would drop dead at the first labor pain

Yes, this is when Tom Cruise saw the light re postpartum depression and called up Brooke Shields to apologize.

As a man, I wholehearedly agree!

if men had babies, they would drop dead at the first labor pain

and abortion would be a sacrament

The full set here (it’s been around for a while):
http://mommanator.blogspot.com.....s-can.html

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Citizen cbl2:

“…and abortion would be a sacrement.”

As a politically progressive male I am very sad that so many woman see abortion rights exclusively as a “women’s issue” or an issue of “women’s rights”. Freedom of choice is a HUMAN right and it’s restriction is simply another example of splintering of people against one another as a means of social and political control. Futher, those who see the discrimination in women’s healthcare and science as simply another example of misogyny and not capitalism at it’s finest condemn us ALL to the political triangulation that makes everyone the victim of poor healthcare.

Sexism and racism are both mechanisms of division and social and political control and they are bein’ used quite effectively in this election to insure that the victims of the former remain marginalized out of power.

Wake up people…the enemy are not your brothers, the enemy is the social and economic system which allows a few to profit at the expense of the many!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND WAKE UP BEFORE YA LOSE THE REST OF WHAT YA ALMOST HAD!!

Maybe I should organize Fundamentalist Orthodox Jews who believe abortion is COMPULSORY if the life of the mother is at stake. After all, why should their religion trump my religion?

I have to take issue with your assessment that anti-choice fundies have gotten nothing for their “slavish devotion” to the GOP.

Access to abortion has been steadily chipped away on a variety of fronts, while roadblocks have been placed for women seeking to exercise reproductive freedom and choice. While it is still legal for women to get an abortion, it’s become difficult to find facilities to perform them, as well as certain other hurdles that have to be overcome in order to terminate a pregnancy. For women with limited means, that can be the equivalent of an overturned Roe vs. Wade.

Abortion has always been an issue of class. Even if Roe vs. Wade were overturned, women with money can always get an abortion, if not clandestinely in the U.S., overseas in any number of countries where it is legal. Poor and working class women don’t have that option.

So I would say that the anti-choice fundies have been wildly successful.

Politics has always been about change in tiny, incremental steps on hot-button issues. The right-wing has understood that implicitly and never takes its eye off the ball, while the left has taken hard-won advances for granted and goes off to the beach to celebrate and only comes back when it’s too late.

We only have ourselves to blame for the right-wing takeover of the country. Until we get active in the Democratic party and force the DLC out, we are just spinning our wheels every election cycle. It’s there, inside the Democratic party where the change must happen. They want us, the base, liberals, the activists, gone. As soon as we’re gone, there will be a W E L C O M E sign out for the moderate Republicans who have been sidelined by the fundamentalist Christian base of the Republican party. That is what this race is about, and what the Clintons are up to.

It’s in the Talmud that a fetus isn’t considered viable until it’s graduated medical school.

My sympathies. Take care.

In a galaxy and time…far,far away when the ERA was an issue..I carried a handmade sign that simply read…”If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”

In the spirit of cleansing may I offer this…
Exhale and tap yer toes….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

(Transform Columbus Day in yer neighborhood next Oct)

(go Obama)

Oh, BobbyG, Blessings and love to you and yours :(