Maybe it’s just that I don’t want to understand. I want to like Harry Reid, I want to think he’s a public servant first and foremost, but when he runs around saying "Joe Lieberman is with us on everything but the war," I have to ask — who’s this "we," kimosabe?
Glenn Greenwald has the rundown:
Bill to ban the CIA from using waterboarding:
Democrats — 45-1
Republicans – 5-46
Lieberman- NAYCloture vote on bill to restore habeas corpus (which Lieberman voted to abolish in 2006):
Democrats – 50-0
Republicans – 5-42
Lieberman – NAYVote to strip retroactive amnesty for telecoms out of the FISA bill (h/t Matt Browner-Hamlin):
Democrats — 31-16
Republicans – 0-48
Lieberman – NAYVote to specify that FISA is the "exclusive means" by which the President can spy on telephone and email communications:
Democrats — 49-1
Republicans – 9-40
Lieberman – NAYConfirmation of Michael Mukasey as Attorney General:
Democrats — 6-40
Republicans – 47-0
Lieberman – YEACloture vote to proceed to consideration of No-Confidence Resolution for Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General:
Democrats — 47-0
Republicans – 6-37
Lieberman – NAY
And let’s not forget one of the biggest Lieberman betrayals of all: as part of the Gang of 14, he put Alito on the bench. I understand that there were bubble-headed thinkers like NARAL who just didn’t understand that Joe’s "yea" vote on cloture was the only one that mattered, a thus sent emails to their members telling them to "thank" him for his "nay" vote on the floor. Harry Reid is Mr. Senate Procedure however, he’s rather well versed on the subject and doesn’t have that excuse, so I can only conclude that he has noticed Joe running around stumping for John McCain and simply doesn’t care. How exactly that is "with us" escapes me.
Didn’t Bluto wind up in the Senate?
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So, Jane!
Just say no to hojo!
lieberman’s a dick- and this is surely his last Senate Term…Just over five more years and he’s gone. He knows it- we know it- Conn. voters know it.
Now he’s tryin to feather his own nest for his “golden years”.
Hey Jane, I’m sure you’ll have plenty to say about McCain’s thoughts about supreme court judges etc which he unleashed today, eh?
Harry Ried needs to answer the question “Who are the ‘we’ he is talking about?” He is obviously not refering to Democrats or those who beleive in the rule of law. He must be talking about the corporate wing of the Democratic Party.
Jane – It’s all about the war!
Reid needs to decide who’s side he’s on. Either stand up and endorse Holy Joe and McBush or shut Joe down.
Boxturtle (First, we toss him off all the comittees)
Don’t forget about Joe’s broken promise to investigate Katrina.
He really does hate the American people.
Mr. Reid is delusional in so many ways. He expects us to ignore his conservative voting patterns, but to expect anyone to allow Joe to still sit as though he is a democrat? He votes against everything we held dear as a nation for over two centuries.
I hope he relinquishes his post, it is clearly far more than he can handle being from Nevada and having undue influence on his voting decisions dictated to him by his owners.
I think alito and roberts might be the worst thing here, it gauaranteed to the president the supreme court would side with whatever he wanted to do
Hey, get off Joe’s back! He has a mandate! or whatever…
Are you sure he isn’t there now?
Glenn is being too nice to Harry the Hapless. Reid is a liar. Punkt.
Holy Joe is a gaseous insult to the Democrats. Lieberman and Harry the Hapless are both hurting this country by enabling America’s enemies within. They should both hold hands and officially cross over, together, to the Republican Party where they truly belong.
I think we can all agree there.
I think we could make a smaller list. Count the votes where a majority of Dems voted one way, and a majority of Reps voted the other way, and where Lieberman sided with the Dems, since the Dems took over the Senate in January 2007.
Jane ,
When we look back on all the betrayals the Democrats have pulled Joining a gang to slip us the Alito will be third behind pretending to want to end the war and of course # 1 will always be refusing to impeach. I don’t trust my country in anybody’s hand who has duel citizenship or other wise known as divided loyalty .
Reid made a deal with Lieberwurst. Lieberwurst would vote for dem control of the senate in return for holding his chairs.
If Reid had NOT made the deal, we’d have a gooper senate and Reid wouldn’t be in a position to MAKE any deals…
Don’t know how long the deal extends…
I suspect that Lieberwurst votes with the dems more often than with the goopers-
But he votes with the goopers on the war and related constitutional issues which are the very ones that piss most of us off.
Will Reid’s special “relationship” with Lieberbenedict be “on topic” this Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:00pm Eastern?
What deals have been made?
What makes Harry Reid believe that he will be in the position of Senate Majority Leader in 2009 to even have a voice in what must be done to Lieberman?
Chris Dodd for Senate Majority Leader-he’ll know what to do.
Lieberman needs to complete his Zell Miller transformation and become the Republican shitface he has always wanted to be. Harry Reid is a disgrace in allowing Liberman any room on the Democratic Caucus bus.
Lieberman is a hot dog.
Lips, assholes, filler and rat shit.
speaking of hot dogs, how is your cold cat?
I love this idea!
Bluto: See if you can guess what I am now.
Bluto: I’m a zit. Get it?
I am going to declare VC day later. I finally won over the little varmint, she crawled up in my lap last night and wanted to be petted.
I want someone that oposes anyone who won’t impeach this administration post term
He might wanna rethink that book salon invite after this post. *g & wicked chuckle*
In an April 30 interview of Robert Schlesinger, the son of the Kennedy administration speechwriter, Jon read a partial book review from H. L. Menchen. Jon was very smitten with Menchen’s style and he ended up commenting “Whatever happened to flap and doodle and balder and dash…” to which Schlesinger retorted, “I think they’re in the White House!” I thought that was just a really cute remark, but maybe they’re actually in the Senate!
aww, finally! and what a nice victory celebration.
Reid was so soft-spoken promoting his book, Fighting Something, Something on The Daily Show that he reminded me of a timid little girl. Stewart had to coax the words from Reid’s mouth. His other major points were:
The Senate is a collegial body.
The war costs $5000 per minute, but he and Pelosi are seeking to fund it through next year.
He and his fellow senators like to get things over with so they can go home.
Reid is neither a fighter nor a leader. He is a pathetic milquetoast. He needs to go.
More importantly, what makes you think he won’t? We don’t have a voice in this; only Senators do. I agree that if we had a vote on this, Dodd would be a much better choice, but that doesn’t make it nearly so.
http://www.votesmart.org/issue…..n_id=53278
Link to ratings of Lieberwurst’s voting record by various groups
Some highlights:
NARAL rated him 100% in 07 (80% in 06)
NAACP 87
Sierra Club 100
Chldren’s defense fund 100
AFL/CIO 84%
It is going to be soooooo enjoyable to see Joe lose all his power.
Yes, but being a good Firepup I just want to be “on topic” when asking “Senator Reid, thanks for being here. What the fuck are you thinking?”
;-)
FGS, Carly Fiorina on the gas tax making no sense at all. msnbc.
Sitting on the steps of the Senate with a sign,
‘Will turncoat for food”.
Gee I hope that Harry Reid doesn’t mean that Lieberman is *with* Dems on torture and habeas corpus too. I mean let’s ask Reid to prove it’s not true by passing at least one bill that brings back our constitution. And by firing Lieberman from committee when the Dems take the WH and the Senate completely and hopefully demolish the Dept of Heimat Security.
A friend commented to me in email that Reid needs to throw Lieberman under the bus now, so that Lieberman’s Zell Miller bit at the Republican convention looks like sour grapes on his part. If the Dems wait until after the convention speech, then anything that is done is sour grapes on the Dems’ part. I like that thinking.
we’re living in a Blutocracy.
I sometimes wonder. Now I am being uncharacteristically cynical and bitter today. It’s a mood. It’ll pass. I sometimes wonder if these Congresscritters feel they have more in common with themselves (Repukes and Dems alike) than anyone outside the DC inner-circle
McBush would never give Lieberwurst the VP slot- he’s pro choice, pro labor, pro environment (more or less), and generally has a liberal voting record….
What he might hope for is Secy of Defense- which would put him in charge of the world’s largest budget with no controls. He would leave a wealthy man.
Ding!
Oh absolutely I would say. They only believe most of what they believe for as long as it takes to make a speech about it- and they all know that they all know this to be true.
So in a way- only among themselves can they be themselves.
Yup!
Reid smiled proudly when he stated that the Republicans had to filibuster so many times.
The filibusters were technically filibusters, but the Rethugs never had to perform genuine filibusters. A good leader would have made the bastids read the phone book – so that the public could see what the Rethugs were stonewalling.
Man, you look at that list and wonder how it is that the GOP has managed to convince so many that it is the party of “real Americans”, Christian values, law and order!
Paging Orwell!
Animal House was filmed on the campus of my Alma Mater….some have national championships… we have THIS…(and some pretty good faculty).
The scene with the horse actually happened- during the post Korean war period- and the movie people changed the scene and included it..
In the real story- the horse was shot on purpose.
I believe that due to the current Senate rules, it is not possible to have the “classic” filibuster as made famous in film by Jimmy Stewart and in real life by Strom Thurmond.
I.E., the “technical” filibuster is about all we’ll get
Lieberman is a fink!
Bob in HI
my contempt for Joe Lieberman, though rarely mentioned these days, is ever-present and continues unabated.
Downthread on Lieberman McCain and Hagee (Eww picture), and bringing up old dirt, but Holy Joe made a few journalists (at the Nation? the New Haven Advocate?) fall back in their seats when he appeared on a Jerry Falwell Pax TV infomercial special. So Lieberman for end-times? Wouldn’t surprise me. Paul Bass noted sometime back that Lieberman really has made some dangerous alliances.
The guy seriously makes my skin crawl.
and boundless
Almost might make ya think there’s a little pre-party planning goin’ on backstage, don’t it now? he, he……
Let Lieberman speak at the Republican convention. He’s no Zell Miller. That unctuous whine is only bound to repel them, as it does anyone who hears it, and demoralize them further. And what does he have to talk about besides the war?
Good, I’d hate to think you were getting soft-hearted about this !@#$%^&*.
OT (but relates to Prof Edelman discussion yesterday) Look at McCain’s advisory committee on judicial affairs – does it give you chills?
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou…..dicia.html
TobyWollin, left a URL for mammo-practice instructions on the last thread. I think my mother sent me a copy of them, years ago ….
In a way, Nancy Pelosi is like Joe Lieberman: right on dozens of small-time liberal votes, wrong on the big ones. Jane has listed the big ones for Joe; in Pelosi’s case, taking impeachment off the table is the biggest one, but she has also played kissy-poo with George W because of a mistaken idea that America doesn’t like partisan bickering. So she confuses “harmony” with spinelessness.
Bob in HI
Interesting live blogging on the ground in Indiana:
http://samtheeagle.livejournal.com/
Okay here’s what gives me chills. A Hagee Rapture ready video featuring Rapture Ready Holy Joe.(Skip to 5:44)to see Lieberman comparing Hagee to “Moses” with a whine.
Ah yes, the refrigerated bookends. My worst procedure involved me, the machine and a technician who seemed to think that we needed to have a woman-woman bonding experience over the whole thing and who took offense when I said to her, “Listen, just let me stick it in, get it mushed, and let me go.” She told me I had a bad attitude about the whole thing.
gulp.
Snark or real?
McBush is on tour kissing the rings and visiting the holy gooper places in preparation for his baptism as the official gooper candidate which involves being sheep dipped in the blood of the Ronnie….after visiting with the leaders of the military industrial complex, the great temples of the christian right, the seats of power of the Rich Old Fucks, and the sanitized domain of the New Ku Klux Klan- the final dipping ceremony will take place at the Ronnie Library inside the plane.
I can’t offer any defense for worthless Harry, and neither should any commenters here.
This is the same guy who brought Rockefeller’s FISA/immunity bill to the floor of the Senate, went out of his way to block dodd’s filibuster, and has let the GOP get away with pretty much anything they want.
Whether Reid is an out-and-our collaborator with the GOP or whether he’s stuck in 1997 and he’s afraid of them is no matter to me.
Put it this way: I loathe reid so much, that I am going to break my typical weekend internet fast (i try to have a real life as well) just so I can drop by the lake and pose uncomfortable questions repeatedly.
Reid’s an idiot and a dullard, and should be treated as such. He deserves nothing but humiliation, mockery, and outright scorn. Oh, and to be sent home to Searchlight, which he can use to find his ass.
Oh crap, I forgot the link. Sorry. I would like to say it’s snark but here it is. Rapture ready joe also gives a call out to his “good friend” rapture ready Little Rickie Santorum. The video is by Max Blumenthal.
Is Harry looking to Sister Souljah us by going to the FDL book club? All he has to do to piss us off is just defend his current record to do that.
Now then if he gets us riled then he will easily have all the angry lefty blog comments he wants.
Oh angry automatically delegitimizes any of our ideas according to Polite Society never mind that the Democratic party is to the RIGHT of the 70% majority.
We want the war over now, we want National Healthcare. We don’t want to hear we cannot do it ANYMORE.
If you can’t do it Harry we will find someone else to lead the Senate.
They also had a fundraiser at Herr Doktor Strangelove Kissinger’s house in CT on April 25(?) For $10,000 you too could kiss Kissinger’s ring and take a picture with the preznit. The Hartford Courant reported it. They were trying to raise money to campaign against Chris Murphy, I think.
i have one important question before i can start formulating my questions….
what exactly are the limits of being on topic? i haven’t read his book, so i don’t know what is covered in it. can somebody help me out?
… although, i suppose if he’s smart, he’ll just do what wes clark did and ignore anything that is not a soft ball.
Actually if anyone hasn’t seen Max Blumenthal’s Rapture Ready video featuring Hagee, Holy Joe and Rickie Santorum, it should be watched so we can all be reminded why Holy Joe and McCain should never get their hands near “football.”
quite a roster of “mavericks” eh?
Okay that was funny. The holy grails of the repuke party.
1,834 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Firedog Freedom Fighters:
Anybody else thinkin’ that old One Hung Harry Reid is on his last legs as majority leader if the Democrats get 59-60 votes? A change in leadership seems a bit more likely in the Senate since we got a bunch a Senators with relatively safe seats and plenty a seniority and deep pockets. If ya look at Durbin, Finegold, Boxer, Kennedy, Conrad and add Whitehouse from this freshman class, ya got a few with the chops ta take the Senate in a more progressive direction.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THERE AIN’T TERM LIMITS ON CITIZENSHIP!!
Right on. Especially the National Healthcare part. We’re in such deep doo doo, this country needs an FDR-reization.
OT:
FBI Raids Special Counsel, Scott Bloch’s office.
President Clusterfuck releases journalist from Gitmo after holding him for seven years without EVER charging him with a crime..
The journalist says that Gitmo sucks.
I hope our hostesses are prepping old Harry for how much pent up frustration we have here at the Lake. I mean, I can be civil but pointed. and pointy.
Lieberwurst gives his ol friend Cap’n McBush a few neck hugs and wet kisses- but golly jee whiz- they’re REALLY good friends.
“Jane-it’s all about the war.”
Right on ,Citizen spacefish…the whole rotten mess is wrapped up in Iraq. By the way, does anyone remember what happened to the former Soviet Union after they got tangled up in Afghanistan?
I forget all the extra-legal mumbo jumbo. Can this guy bring charges anywhere? This was kidnapping.
And you know what? I believe the man.
Still waiting to see Bush burn in the hell he’s made for himself.
Show Harry that Video and then ask him how can we count on Holy Joe and why does he bother trying to win the 30%ers?
What’s a “Soviet Union?”
I doubt that Harry will get off easy with Digby hosting. Can’t wait for this.
The 30%ers think that they are going to the rapture? Jesus does not know them for where where they when Jesus was hungry in in Gitmo?
What Lord you were in Gitmo yes for that which you do to the least of my brothers is that which you do onto me.
I have to wonder whether there isn’t an equally large and on-going betrayal by our Elmer Fudd-like POS Senator from Connecticut.
Ever notice how many hearings Rep. Waxman, chair of the Goverment Oversight committee has had? or investigations, even while the minority ranking member of same?
Joe Lieberman is Waxman’s counterpart in the Senate.
I’m still waiting for the little puke to have real hearings about the government’s response to Katrina, let alone a jillion other problems like the propaganda program purchased by some entity in the government.
This is what Rove’s support of Lieberman bought: silence.
We McMust be McCareful with the McUse of the McPreface ‘Mc’, however McMuch we McMight believe that McCertain politicians are McExactly like or the McSame as other McMonsters, it is McClear that in calling ANYONE a McSon of a McBush or even a McCheney we run the very real McRisk of failing to understand that McMaking McUse of McCertain McWords does NOT reflect McWell upon us.
I McHope you all McShall McTake this in the McManner in which it is Mc’Tended …
McNote: The preceding McSnark was and is MC’Tended ONLY as a McHumorous McComment … Mc’Cept (as I McAlways say) where it McAin’t (damn, there I Mcwent and said his McName … McMea culpa …McRats …McDrat
Sointinly. That Raging Bull, Harry Reid, just loves him some Holy Joe, and can’t seem to put considering his politics ahead of his friendship. Reminds me of a CongressCritter in Florida who just couldn’t put the needs of her Party ahead of her friendships with sitting Gooper CongressCritters. What does a good rancher do when his best bulls are smitten by hoof-in-mouth [sic] disease? They’re culled, to save the herd.
The journalist is from Sudan….
I guess that the govt. of Sudan could raise a little hell about his detainment- but unless they have a fleet of nuclear armed ICBMs, I suspect Clusterfuck will tell em ta go Cheney themselves.
Here’s a bit about him:
Before Monday’s outdoor welcome ceremony, Hajj received visitors in his hospital room, including dozens of senior Sudanese officials who wished him a speedy recovery.
Though able to walk a short distance at the event in his neighborhood, Hajj was still weak after a 16-month hunger strike at Guantánamo.
His attorney, Zachary Katznelson, who met with Hajj at the U.S. base April 11, said he was emaciated by the hunger strike. He said Hajj had been having problems with his liver and kidneys and had blood in his urine.
Hajj was never prosecuted so the U.S did not make public its full allegations against him. But in a hearing that classified the cameraman as an enemy combatant, U.S. officials alleged that in the 1990s, Hajj was an executive assistant at a Qatar-based beverage company that provided support to Muslim fighters in Bosnia and Chechnya.
Two other Sudanese detainees at Guantánamo were released with Hajj.
(linked at Raw Story).
I would in no way compare Waxman to Lieberman. Waxman at least has had hearings. Lierbabyman, well you can look at the schedule on at the DHS committee site.
Well it gets worse, if you watch the whole video. I mean they really think that nuking Iran will bring them a step closer. They want a holy war with “the Muslims” and are opposed to peace. And these people (Hagee and Lieberman ) are in McCain’s posse. I think we can be scared, very scared.
McDonalds is so going to sue you for linking their food to John McCain.
Fox newswoman to announce shocking fact that her mother was actually her mother….tune in fer all the dirt.
I am not sure that 99% of the persons held in Gitmo are guilty of anything other than being at the wrong place in the wrong time and are being punished and tortured for that.
Kinda hard ta say as our government considers the whole thing top secret- but they are starting to let some people go….wonder if we tell em we’re sorry?
I still can’t get over Joe saying Hageee is leading a greater multitude than Mosses.
McLOL
Digby has more self control than I do
I have to agree that Reid does seem to love his “friends” better than he does the health of this country.
Yes I am sure we have “top secret” vacuum cleaner salesmen in GITMO.
McGawd! Do you McThink so? Now I AM McSkeered ….
McWhat have I McGotten my self McInto?
Is there a McLawyer in the McHouse?
I Mcswear I didn’t McMean McAnything ..
Oh … McWoe is McMe …
Besides Reid on Saturday, there is one other major event of note for May 10th, and I am finally stepping out of the shadows to announce my complicity.
Yes, pups, 39 years ago, May 10th, the banner-headlined around-the-world Zip to Zap, started by a small but determined bunch of upstarts at one college newspaper drew crowds from around the country. And network teevee headlines. And the National Guard activated by the governor.
Ah, those were the days. But today our ND Guard is over in Iraq. And a brief moment of spring exuberance but a memory, albeit a fond one, to share during these times of remembering too many sad occasions, like Kent State.
Oh, but yours truly did sell enough tee-shirts to pay expenses for a summer interning in Washington DC addressing the Senator’s Christmas cards…to the whole state in an election-upcoming year.
A powerful reminder to moi of why it matters that we keep the young inspired for a lifetime of activism…and voting.
I want to know if Lieberman only votes differently than Senate Democrats on Iraq, then does his intension to vote for McCain mean Harry is going to vote for McCain too?
Bluto would have brought impeachment proceedings against the war criminals and Constitution betrayers in the Bush administration. He would also have stormed the White House and given it back to the people! One can only wish.
Like that’s not bad enough?
I am still really pissed off over the treatment of the Chinese Muslims held at GITMO. They were innocent and at the wrong place in the wrong time. China doesn’t want them back and if they did get sent back they would be executed. I wonder what happened to them. Apparently they were being held because no country would defy China and take them. Honestly, those wrongly held men deserve big, big money and green cards.
That part of the bible is no longer pertinent.
9/11 changed everything.
Wow. That is quite a McCain McMoment.
Call your doctor…
Yeah, the world population has gotten bigger since than, that’s the only reason why. And we have more freaks, like Holy Joe.
The bible and its truths are so…quaint.
I don’t mean the followers of Moses were freaks, but Hagee’s followers, well I won’t say, judge for yourselves, watch Max Blumenthal’s video.
OH! McWoe this is McWorse that I Mc’Magined. McMaybe you are McRight.
I’m Mc’dicted …
I feel McIll …
I’ll McNever, McEver McMake this McMistake Mc’Gain …
Joe loves John for one thing only (besides the withered, white haired, out of touch, lying politician thing)- John wants to bomb the sh#t out of Iran.
Well, that is, before Hillary spoke her innermost thoughts on the subject.
Thanks, DWB, for giving us our fall theme song:
Won’t get fooled McGain.
Jane, this is for you, Washington Post wants to ban anonymous comments
My contempt for Joe Lieberman knows no boungs.
bounds
That was my point. Since I need to make it very plain:
Lieberman should have matched Waxman, investigation for investigation, hearing for hearing, on virtually the same topics — and then some, being a Senator.
He traded oversight for keeping his seat. He is a useless corrupt hack who is unfit to do anything else except take up space between both sides of the aisle. He has whored out his legacy to maintain Republican thugs and thieves in office.