From Wiki, my bold:
The term show trial is a pejorative description of a type of highly public trial. The term was first recorded in the 1930s[1]. There is a strong connotation that the judicial authorities have already determined the guilt of the defendant and that the actual trial has as its only goal to present the accusation and the verdict to the public as an impressive example and as a warning. Show trials tend to be retributive rather than correctional justice.
The New York Times is reporting that we have followed in the footsteps of Stalin in his Great Purge and are putting on show trials at Gitmo for political purposes.
The former chief prosecutor here took the witness stand on Monday on behalf of a detainee and testified that top Pentagon officials had pressured him in deciding which cases to prosecute and what evidence to use. The prosecutor, Col. Morris D. Davis of the Air Force, testified that Pentagon officials had interfered with his work for political reasons and told him that charges against well-known detainees “could have real strategic political value” and that there could be no acquittals. His testimony completed one of the more unusual transformations in the contentious history of Guantánamo. Colonel Davis, who is on active duty as a senior Air Force official and was one of the Pentagon’s most vocal advocates of the Guantánamo military commissions, has become one of the most visible critics of the system.
[emphasis mine]
a key official has told The Nation that the trials have been rigged from the start. According to Col. Morris Davis, former chief prosecutor for Guantánamo’s military commissions, the process has been manipulated by Administration appointees to foreclose the possibility of acquittal.
[emphasis mine]
Got that? There could be no acquittals! No search for truth or justice. No due process. Nope, the Administration has decided they are guilty before the trial even happened. You should read Col. Davis’ Op Ed from the L.A. Times where he lays out more specifics.
From that Nation article:
"It confirms what people close to the system have always said," noting that when three prosecutors–Maj. Robert Preston, Capt. John Carr and Capt. Carrie Wolf–requested to be transferred out of the Office of Military Commissions in 2004, they said they’d been told the process was rigged. In an e-mail to his supervisors, Preston had said that there was thin evidence against the accused. "But they were told by the chief prosecutor at the time that they didn’t need evidence to get convictions"
So, this is not just one Col. Davis saying the process is rigged, this is a whole cadre of career professionals in JAG saying it.
Oh, but there’s more from the Times:
Colonel Davis said a senior Pentagon official who oversaw the military commissions, Brig. Gen. Thomas W. Hartmann of the Air Force Reserve, reversed a decision he had made and insisted that prosecutors proceed with evidence derived through waterboarding of detainees and other aggressive interrogation methods that critics call torture.
Yep, our old comrade waterboarding controlled drowning, that gift from John Yoo that just keeps on giving, once again rears its ugly head. I’m not sure that I know what other aggressive interrogation techniques they are referring to there, but suspect it may be the Assault and Battery and other related crimes that Professor Yoo doesn’t think apply if the President says you can do it.
And the military themselves know that these Commission trials are not cricket.
Colonel Davis said General Hartmann directed him last year to push war crimes cases here quickly. He said the general was trying to give the system legitimacy before a new president took office. He testified that General Hartmann referred to the long difficulties the Pentagon had had in operating the military commissions and said, “If we don’t get some cases going before the election, this thing’s going to implode.”
I guess the idea is that they need to hamstring the next President with these convictions obtained without Due Process. Think about it, if you are the new President and you have really really bad guys that you are convinced in your heart are guilty, but they were convicted in a bogus process, but you genuinely believe they are guilty, ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO INVALIDATE THOSE CONVICTIONS?
However, if convictions obtained based on evidence derived from torture are allowed to stand, then the torturers are scot free. If you don’t invalidate the torture application, how can you logically prosecute the torturers, or prosecute the enablers of torture like Yoo, or the authorizers of torture like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?
So, rushing into these show trials is like retroactive telecom immunity. It’s immunity for the military guys, sure, but much more importantly, it’s immunity for the BushCo.
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LHP!
Cohen !, Sands ! lhp !
Ditto.
Torture is evil.
I think the new president (assuming it’s not McCain) will invalidate the convictions. Have to, wouldn’t he/she? These men are no longer dangerous probably, after five years of torture, they’re probably all out of their minds. I hope not, but… Obama is a Constitutional lawyer, he couldn’t just let it pass, could he?
Sands thinks there will be prosecutions for torture originating in other countries since the US won’t take action.
Wow, I’m glad these kinds of Banana Republic show trials don’t happen in America! What country was this article about again?
wow. sands just told the committee that if these crimes were not prosecuted in this country (re torture) they would be in other countries. that two international prosecutors have already asked him for his research.
Cohn is backing him up on this.
Think about it, if you are the new President and you have really really bad guys that you are convinced in your heart are guilty, and they happen to be well-known neo-cons in the present administration, *before* you dumped the whole show-trial idea altogether, wouldn’t you first be tempted to…?
sorry, just day-dreaming for a moment there……
My biggest fear? That Obama or Clinton will take office and say “In the spirit of moving forward, we care going to put the past behind us and not investigate…”
That is, if a) a false-flag operation in the
Gulf of TonkinStraits of Hormuz does not “postpone” this fall’s elections, and if b) Bush does not pardon Cheney, then resign on January 19th in order that President Cheney can then pardon Bush.this is great. i hope some of our congress critters are taking the testimony seriously.
I don’t have the vocabulary, even using all my four letter words, to express my disgust with this administration. And it’s starting to metastasize to the Dems in congress.
I hope against hope that they are playing possum, laying low until the pardon power is no longer in Republican hands.
iran-contra redux. only worse.
TPM links to today’s WaPo piece on glacial pace of so called trials
again with the ‘very different kind of bad guy’ bs
i wish the HJC would invite sands back for the questioning of yoo and addington – and would put him in charge of all the questioning.
well………..HOT DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYUM
mighty fine day!
did you record any of this hearing?
From Raw Story:
these are criminals, plain and simple
I would love someone to ask one of these proponents of torture, say mr yoo;
“if we were to torture you, how long do you think it would take for us to get you to admit you were the mastermind behind 9/11 and when you gave that testimony, do you think it should be admissable in court?”
somebody needs to ask these maggot that question each and everytime they advocate for torture admitted in court
Adjourned. Wow, I hope this continues to grow. There is finally real truth being spoken to what has been done in our names. Let’s hope Conyers doesn’t chicken out at this point.
I don’t know if I have heard any of the candidates take a stand on the Gitmo trials.
Anybody else know of a public statement by any candidate on this?
OT, but selise have you read the link to the Arthur Silber from the thread earlier this a.m? If not, I highly recommend it.
Choosing Sides…
some bits. but the feed keep dropping so i missed some. the good news is that c-span has it on their schedule of covered events for the day, so we can expect to be shown later tonight. that will also mean it will be available in the c-span archives soon.
in any event, if you or anyone else would like an mp3, i’d be happy to make one… but i think i should try to start afresh because of all the streaming problems i was having.
this was a very good and, imo, important hearing.
now adjourned.
These are not local crimes, and I don’t think a pardon would cover them.
THAT is going to be the fight we will be fighting in the Spring of 2009, I’m sad to say. I hope we are more effective with the new president than we have been with ole’ Impeachment is off the Table Pelosi
ditto that.
This is horrible stuff and in order to restore faith and credibility to the US, we must distance ourselves from Bushco policies by repudiating them to the fullest means possible ie prosecuting them.
read it yesterday (and the links too. especially recommend the interview with Jonathan Walton.
That would be great. Can’t wait to see today’s hearing. Do you know what time it will be up later yet? Which CSPAN?
This is really sad. Even if someone actually had committed a crime, the corrupt process is keeping the truth from being known. Scapegoating a few victims isn’t going to help anybody.
Re: the slow pace of the trials.
Can I point out hat one of the few bright stars in this whole sorry mess has been the JAG Corps? Consider that refusing to do what your boss tells you to in the army is at best, career destroying and at worst, can land you in the brig–These warrior laywers have withstood really intense coercion to try to maitain the rule of law.
Heros with a gun and heros with a law degree. I’ve become a big fan.
They never get asked these questions, do they?
Amen!
Davis, Swift, Mora my idea of Duty, Honor, Country
firedogs -
in case you haven’t seen it Amnesty International’s torture ad
Yes, I was astonished and encouraged by that, LHP. Thank you so much for posting all this. This is a bombshell of a story and I hope it gets tons of coverage.
and yes, I have new disgust with congress about what they have let the neocons get by with. Accessories in crime.
Hear, hear!
Thanks for the great series btw.
Selise if you do make it, can we put it in as a link in an update onthis post?
I don’t know but I believe the ACLU detainee lawyers endorse Obama…I’ll try to find a link.
I can’t remeber seeing an event where such question was asked, but nothing stops them from talking about it. They are in control of their own speeches.
McCAin started out back in the priamry denouncing torture(and later changed his tune), but I don’t recall anyting specific from either Hillary or Obama
“sentence first, trial after”
where do I find the way out of this rabbit hole?
Haven’t had a chance but will. Had to print Silber’s post at work. Hard to link from hard copy. Bill Gates keeps telling me Windoze will do everything. He lies like a rug. *g*
Until John McBush allows himself to be tried for the war crimes he admitted to under torture in Vietnam, I will continue to believe what he said in the first place (before he flip-flopped and decided not to make torture illegal,) that torture is not about them; it’s about us. We have met the enemy and it is us.
don’t see it on the schedule yet. you’ll have to keep an eye on it:
http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..hedule.csp
here is the c-span entry for it (where it will be available in the archives later after broadcast).
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/…..d=205193-1
i’m going to be out, so i dont’ know if i’ll catch it on cspan – but hope you-all will.
… will try to have an audio mp3 for downloading tomorrow at the lastest, today may have too much going on already. but i will try.
and if someone can record (by tivo or any other means) the hearing when it is on c-span (in case i miss it), i could make some youtube clips for lhp or anyone else to use.
gotta run now pups. take care… i think there is hope yet!
Gitmo lawyers endorse Obama
hope this helps.
of course, neocon “bloggers” think this is a bad thing. saw a lot on that during my brief search.
unsubscribe-me!
of course! will check in with you later, but must run now.
Keeping on rocking in a free world selise!
wubi? :)
Be good to yourself.
Well, if we’re lucky, their arrogance and incompetence may spare us this dilemma. TPM reports on a WaPo story that despite their push to have the show trials before the election, they’re unlikely to succeed. Essentially, because they insisted on making up all the legal procedures from scratch instead of using an existing system like courts martial, every step of it is being challenged.
ah, cool. i should be avle to pick it up on cspan1 then. thanks!
Obama has done some excellent work on this — and has been praised for it by the ACLU lawyers doing work at Gitmo. See here for more on that…
And I believe the last I’ve heard from the Clinton campaign on it was a push to try the detainees in courts of law. McClatchy had something on that not too long ago as well.
I went looking around for Clinton’s position on Gitmo. While rooting around, I saw some comments that just blow my mind. Some people really believe all the detainees are guilty, or do not have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty because they are not US citizens. Really really ignorant stuff. I stress the word ignorant and I can’t really fault them for being brainwashed by Cheney and his MSM spoonfeeding this crap to the American public.
1,834 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen looseheadprop and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
First of all, thanx for the post, this information must be catapulted as far as possible even if it breaks our hearts and makes us unreasonably angry. However, it’s not as though most people have not known in their hearts and minds that this has been goin on for a lot longer’n the invasion of Iraq or the attacks of 9/11. The real question here is what do we do about the corruption and disease speading every day that the corporate oligarchy controls the levers of government and the application of our military?
This comin’ election will mean nuthin’ unless we make the war and the corruption of the war the central issue in the campaign at every level. The only way we get rid of the corporatists and the paid corporate shills in our legislatures (plural) is to expand the tent of the Democratic Party as first and formost an anti-fascist front whose purpose is to expose the criminals, destroy the power of the boardroom and offer democracy and the opportunity for democratic action to every citizen.
This idea was advanced once before in the late 18th century and the struggle to realize that idea has been on goin’ for over two centuries but we’ve reached the end of the first chapter in that history…it’s time to bring the idea of democracy back and push it into the 21st century.
The power of individual wealth has brought us to this point in history and the only cure for the disease of corruption is the break-up of the concentrations of wealth through the application of universal democracy and the “rule of law” and strength in numbers.
Look at your choices in this election not as a choice of the “lesser evil” who will at least give us “good” Supreme Court justices, look at your choices as those who will be obligated to you for your vote and don’t look on democracy as a marketing activity.
And most of all, do not forget that this terrible war is grinding on and we are now defined by it…every one of us.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE GOHSTS OF THE FALLEN ARE WATCHIN’!!
Sounds like “Law and Order” when the DA is up for re-election- no acquitals!
lhp – do we get a chance to get a new Speaker in November?
Oh, yeah, they’re playing possum alright! They’re playing possum until all the Blue Dogs that think all this stuff is alright are out of Congress! Yeah, that’ll happen! We all just ought to get used to saying, “We don’t have the votes!” because no matter how big our majority, if they’re a majority of Blue Dogs, we’re back where we started! Good luck on getting any progressive programs through the Blue Dog Democratic Majority Congress! The moral to the story is, you cannot make people into progressives simply by working toward a Democratic majority in Congress.
OK OK Get your shovels out and do a little DIGGING for LHP…. A lot of work went in this!
Be VERY careful what you wish for – a new speaker in place of Pelosi would most likely have the initials SH while a new House Majority Leader would have the initials RE…
Just sayin’
Hartmann works for Susan Crawford, the Convening Authority for the trials. Craword is a Cheney protegee which tells you everything about this process you need to know. The other big name in this is William Haynes the former General Counsel for the DOD. He’s the one who told Col. Davis that were not to be any acquittals. He was tied in with Yoo and the torture memos and at one point he tried to put the JAG corps under his control (which luckily fell through when it became public). As for the Commissions themselves, these are a product of the Military Commissions Act via Hamdan and it was clear at the time that they were going to be far worse than a bad joke.
In the very early ’80s I spoke to a co-worker here in Ohio. Asked what she had thought about the Kent State killings (I was newly arrived from another state).
She said they deserved it, anyone out there was a troublemaker and deserved what they got.
So it’s not a stretch to believe that some foreigner deserves what he gets, is it?
Sigh.
The idea that 4 young people deserve to be gunned down by our own military is beyond belief. What have we become?
unbelievable. I have trouble wrapping my mind around that kind of thinking even when confronted with the evidence continuously.
I think people susceptible to authoritarian type of thinking and following just do not want to be held responsible for any decisions.
Blue’s Clueless
it had been awhile since I went here, when in bloody hell did Patrick Murphy and Loretta Sanchez join up with these obstructionist pigs ?!?!?
I have to also wonder, I’m not at all sure that you can just scrap even a show trial and then retry someone again in a more realistic way with actual evidence. Doesn’t a retrial expose them to double jeopardy?
This reminds me of Zhou Enlai’s (Mao’s Premier) comment when asked about the French Revolution: “Too early to tell.” At the time it was considered a witty response. Now looking at our own experiment in democracy and its success, I find myself too thinking, “Too early to tell.”
this is interesting. a video about a Gitmo detainee hosted by Martin Sheen who explains the rights set out by our Constitution.
Detainee 940
It’s about a year old.
I think also that it was a touchy subject, broached by a newcomer to the area, and it resulted in sort of a protective “don’t say anything bad about MY state” sort of reaction.
At least that’s the hope I’ve been clinging onto for all these years.
No, since by definition they won’t be found innocent. To find them innocent and then retry them on the same charges would be double jeopardy. Since this is a military process, I would think that the Secretary of Defense could question the validity of the process and press the military for a new trial. Hopefully it would be under an authority other than the MCA but that would take Congressional action.
Doesn’t a retrial expose them to double jeopardy?
short answer -> no.
double jeopardy only kicks in when someone is first found not guilty, or has his/her trial stopped after “jeopardy has attached.
Since there are to be no “not guilty’s”, the question is mooted. Double jeopardy is prohibited only where one is first found “not guilty”, *then* re-tried.
A “guilty” verdict is subject to re-trial at the discretion of the court. Remember the re-trials of persons found to have had their convictions challenged by later-obtained DNA evidence?
Thanks Selise, you are one of the backbones of this place
Pffft, Gates says if it’s free, it’s no good … *g*
Excellent!
Thank you Christy. I’m glad someone is well informed even if I’m not
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Citizen dakine01:
“Be very careful what you wish for-a new speaker in place of Pelosi would most likely have the initials SH while a new House majority leader would have the initials RE…”
That’s not necessarily true if this election expands the base of the party and gets more non-corporate legislators elected. It’s all about who the representatives must be responsible to for the votes that they get back home, simple as that. There is a strong body of senior Democrats in the House of Representatives who are quite capable of circumscribin’ Hoyer and Emmanuel, either behind Pelosi or over her politically dead body. Look at the bid committee chairs…and start with Dave Obey…there is a cadre of very experienced and very deft politicians already in the chamber.
In the Senate, it doesn’t take but a few strong individuals from safe constituencies to take over the majority as long as the corporations don’t control the fundin’ for elections.
Don’t wail about how impossible it is to change your country…jest go out and do sompthin’…hell, do ANYthin’ out in your community to expose what everyone in your neighborhood already knows.
KEEP THE FAITH AND IF IT DOESN’T WORK THE FIRST TIME GIVE ‘EM ANOTHER SHOT!!
still awaiting SCOTUS – MCA constitutionality decision
Oh, no, feel free to blame them. They are the reason our society has become so coarse and regressive. They vote that way!
I suppose a lot of americans will be responding the same way when confronted by europeans, etc, during trips abroad. And we will be confronted.
Cushing spot price for crude oil is currently trading at $122.20/bbl. Since hedge fund speculation took over this market, it has entered into a rough semi-weekly Tuesday/Friday cycle where it sets up for the weekend when the markets are closed and before the Wednesday EIA report on weekly crude oil and gasoline stocks.
I prefer to think of it as incremental. First you get a Dem majority then you selectively primary the blue dogs out.
Heh, a girl can dream, can’t she?
There are also many confrontations in Asia and the rest of the world … they are just as angry that “Americans” allowed these crimes to go unchallenged … the next President will have a lot of work to do, to regain America’s standing in the world …
Something I ‘ve wondered about for some time now…did Nancy take impeachment as a political strategy? Is having W in the White House now a constant reminder to the voters of how the Republics have fucked things up and, therefore, a virtual guarantee of a Dem landslide this fall?
Not sayin’ I agree with the strategy, just askin’.
btw, per TPM Yoo has agreed to testify.
There’s likely to be a toast to very high oil prices at the wedding of Princess Jenna.
upon his release and return to Sudan, Mr Hamad’s first public statements expressed concern for deteriorating health of al-Jazeera cameraman Sami al-Haj who was released last friday
Haynes, I think, is also one of the people who actually went down there and witnessed torture(Gonzalez was another, Additington another, and Diane Beaver), so I think his position says a lot about him as a person.
It’s not unusual for the prosecution to work hard for conviction doing everything they can to convict- so to the extent the pressure is on prosecutors- it’s not uncommon I would guess
The trouble here comes from the fact that there is no independant judiciary- and no precedent- they’re invention the whole process from whole cloth as they march along. That’s just wrong.
I can’t answer that, but it appears we have been a long time getting there since the Kent State incident took place on May 4, 1970.
Just a guess but I suspect that Pelosi rejected impeachment because:
1) She was pretty sure that it wouldn’t work- she’d never get the votes to impeach- and that would make the whole thing a waste of time politically.
2) The effort to round up the votes would badly hurt some dems from redder districts who would be forced to distance themselves from the fray or lose their seats- giving the house back to the goopers.
If it’s an effective strategy to have W in the White House, why is McCain so high in the polls, especially when he is offering to continue Bush/Cheney policies? Pelosi needs to go. So does Reid.
Yes, I know my “etc” was inadequate. apologies.
I can’t even stand to listen to Laura Bush chastise the govt of Myanmar (as much as they may deserve it) as it is the pot calling the kettle black.
Thank you for the update. much appreciated.
Thanks!
Oh noes! I caught the GPL!
Do you seriously believe that there was a possible scenario which would have ended with Bush being removed from the White House? I don’t. Would have required a large number of gooper senators to vote for removal.
It might, depends on the process. If there is an appeal on the basis that the trial was procedurally flawed and the appellant wins, he doesn’t get out of jail automatically, he gets retried.
I think she also calculated it would appear to be self serving.
Any impeachment of Bush would eventually take down Darth.
Wouldn’t she become POTUS if Bush & Darth got their just desserts?
LOL
OT and I haven’t read all of the threads yet, but NPR just learned “exclusively” that the FBI is investigating the Office of Special Counsel (Scott Block) in DC and Dallas, and that Block is being/has been interviewed. Grand jury indictment.
Yeah, but unfortunately, I’m afraid it’s all just dreamin. I’m pretty disheartened that we’re all happy about the guy that won in Louisiana, knowing that he’s going to turn out to be another Blue Dog. We’ll still be blamed for not getting anything done because the Blue Dogs will still help the Rethugs.
In front of which committee? House or senate? I would love love love to watch Sen. Whitehouse give Yoo a good grilling.
I may have to take a day off from work that day (hope I won’t be in court)
Cheney could have been the target. In either case, it deserved to be honestly investigated. Instead, it’s been swept ‘off the table’ without explanation. We deserve better than “because I said so” from Pelosi.
What, if anything other than party registration, is the difference between Rs and Blue dog Ds?
I think both opinions point to a dereliction of duty … how does Pelosi or any other politician know what an impeachment inquiry would have uncovered ?
Many informed opinions suggest the evidence would have been overwhelming for removing BushCo from power and as such, she has failed her oath to the Constitution.
or. . .chronic Andrew Shepherd syndrome – too busy keeping their jobs to do their jobs
NPR Scott Bloch link
Thanks, I was rushed and didn’t look for a link….someone was in my office.
HJC … Yoo, Feith, Ashcroft, Addington to testify
Ongoing negotiations with Tenet … stock up on Popcorn futures …
LHP, I ask all you attorneys to approach the HJC with this request, and not allow a Repubs to make a travesty of it …
testify or testilie?
thanks lhp
Rats. I find SJC much more hardhitting…
Isn’t Bloch in a death match with the WH over Rove’s use of gov’t employees (Lurita Doan, etc) and resources to win the 2004 election?
Has an indictment been announced, or is this another pre-indictment leak?
I wish I knew the answer to that! I can’t think of anything off the top of my head. The only thing I can think of is that Wiki pie chart showing that there are like 45% (almost 46%) liberal dems, 33% conservative (Blue Dogs, I presume), and 22% something called disadvantaged (the poor?). So, essentially, we are a plurality, but not a majority, even within the democratic party, unless some of the disadvantaged are also counted with us.
Blue Texan has a really fresh new post up about how Obama (was) Attacked in Indiana With Illegal Robocalls.
Me too, but I think HJC wants to run with it … gathering evidence for a larger fall hearing, just in time for the election …
Per the NPR story, Bloch home and offices were raided this morning by the FBI.
From a 2007 WaPo story
My initial thought is, are they eating their own ?
What’s the request? I may be emailing some of my Favs on HJC
Doesn’t this
somewhat contradict this?
Don’t get me wrong, my fine Canadian friend, I am wholeheartedly with you on this one,impeachment proceedings should’ve started in November 2006.
I was just addressing the question of why Mrs. Pelosi took it off the table.
Bloch seems like a bit of a nutter, but I have you noticed that anyone who goes after Rove gets really over the top negative treatment?
On a thread yesterday some folks were talking about Sieligman and the woman whistleblower have break in, and homes burned and a car run off the road. Real mafia type stuff, so Bloch might be on the recieivng end of Rovian persecution
If we had a European parliamentary democracy, there would be a half dozen parties who would all vie for seats- and then form a coalition AFTER the election. The Progressive Party- supposing that it could hold together- would probably be no more than 20% of the population. We would also have a labor party that would be a bit larger- and more conservative on many issues..There would be a libertarian (leave me the fuck alone) party, a party for business interests, and another for the christian right. Many smaller splinter groups would also form parties..
Makes elections way different.
FBI employees are going to be there after 20 January and many have not been happy for the last 7+ years. BushCo are going to be gone.
While the BushCo appointees are burning their files the day-to-day agents are out for a little payback. (said with tongue in cheek but I would imagine some are relishing a task such as this)
I’m sure the ReichWing has already planned how to respond to a DFH President who throws out their corrupted criminal processes lock, stock and barrel. I imagine that’s one reason Rove is no longer in the White House, though he’s never left the building. He’s planning ahead. And he’ll be well-paid for it.
Overturning these processes — in Gitmo, the NSA, the FBI, the DOJ, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — has to be done with the best legal, political and military minds the Democrats can muster. Because they need to do it without being shoehorned into a Seven Days in May scenario. Because doing the honorable, legally and politically correct things will overturn the house that Dick built.
It would jeopardize the existence of the GOP and the careers and livelihoods of its top politicians and retainers, some of whom could go to jail without the prospect of a pardon. It would jeopardize the careers and pensions of dozens of top military officers. It would jeopardize lobbyists and their corporations.
It would cheer half of America, make a quarter of it fear too much change too quickly, and enrage a quarter of it to rebellion because they saw in it the coming of the anti-Christ. A conversion of political storms that not even Oliver Stone could write a script for.
Not that we shouldn’t bloody well do it. But let’s not pretend that it will be smoothly bipartisan, require only modest effort or sacrifice, or not distract from managing the scores of problems Shrub has FUBARed. Even recognizing that Shrub has left us problems that need fixing this GOP will viciously refute, because down that slope lies chaos for them and a better America for the rest of us.
Wow. Excellent analysis.
I agree with egregious, you have laid bare the truth of the present and, likely, of the future with explicit precision.
It should remind everyone how radical the CheneyBush regime is.
Many in the JAG Corps are conservatives. They take great pride in traditional views of the role and limits of the military in American life. They have great respect for the rule of law because without it, the enhanced discipline of military life is just submission to power. To CheneyBush, the military is just another tool, like the law, with which to beat its enemies.
What better way to undermine a critic’s credibility than to put him in jail, or shout in the newspapers that that’s where he ought to be? Pity about the rule of law, though.
HAH ! Nice catch but I was contrasting the opinion of politicians V non politicians, like Fein, Turlington, etc.
Bring on the Celtics !
The request for appointing someone like Whitehouse to lead the Dem questioning … all too often, these hearings devolve into a P.R. stunt for the Congresscritters …
My sentiments exactly, that Bloch is getting paid back for going after Rove …
The Marsupial Commissions Act suits the efforts and temperament of the JAG quite well, especially when the politically motivated top brass see the benefits of exercising the MCA.
Very good point! I pray that their memories are long and bitter. PBIAB!