Bloch!

LHP!

This is one of those situations, now common in the W admin, where everyone is guilty.

hard to find anyone whose hands are clean around BushCo. I wonder if Bloch washed his.

Bloch Rove.

So, with OSC emails down and just about everybody all busy getting interviewed by the FBI, how much time is left over for making progress on the US Attorney firing investigation?

Like a Cardassian mystery novel: it’s a given that everybody is guilty of something, but it remains to be determined who is guilty of what.

So where do we go ta watch the frogs marchin?

Folks, I know spirits are high since it’s primary night. But I am asking nicely for us to stay on topic for loosehead’s thread. Let’s save the party stuff for later, ok?

We’re gettin down ta the short strokes of the Bush presidency—-last week Laura washed the bed linens.

When does the statute of limitations expire in the USAG firings?

or keep it to the old thread (that is where I’ll be)

but this is still an awesome thread, just can’t concentrate on it right now

The day the signed pardons are revealed.

By the end of Bush 41’s maladministration the AG and FBI were investigating each other. Very bad for civil service morale.

Oh, and how’s this for a precedent? How comfortable are future whistleblowers going to be coming to OSC once they know that all of OSC records can be seized and read by FBI and DOJ? What about whistleblower from FBI/DOJ? Think any of them will ever come forward again?

I wonder if he went after Rove and Lorna Doone in retaliation for being investigated in the first place, and now they’ve nailed him for it. I can’t imagine he would be stupid enough to keep computers and crappola around that was incriminating after all this time…

Hey, I thought the Administration had such powerful spying equipment and powers to see through walls, etc., if so, they would already have known everything about him a long time ago. Sounds like a big intimidation type of deal.

Will Bush sign the pardons on December 24, just like his daddy did?

We need better whistle blower protection, so they could come out openly, on record. The Project on Government Oversight and Whistle Blowers Association both have material on this which I am too lazy to look for.

People who are a threat to Rove seem to get the full on Mafia intimidation treatment. If you haven’t read the Siegelman link, do so. Cars run off the road, break ins, house burning. Straight from the La Cosa Nostra handbook

Sure he will, and then on the 25th, President Cheenee will pardon him…

Oh, it’s a terrible idea. But this is BushCo, where terrible ideas are where policies come from.

I don’t know who are the good guys and the bad guys here.

Me, neither. And I’m including the FBI in that huge question mark.

I wonder how long Mueller has spent at the WH today? Maybe Darth has him at some undisclosed location waterboarding him. Oh, for a look at the hard drives in those compooters. Maybe some rambling emails from Yoo Yoo Who Flung Doo fantasizing about torturing brown people complete with suggestions on how to make it legal.

Time for some Chicago rules.

Oh, God, that’s a scary thought…President Cheney.

I used to do “whistleblower Determinations” which are admin law opinions (Yoo memos are admin law opinions) under the NYS whistlblower protection laws.

Even with a liberal statute it is hard to give the whistleblower meaningful redress. And soooooo many phonies try to use the law to protect themselves from legitimate accountability for misconduct and insubordination on the job. These laws sound so good in theory, but it’s really hard to make them work in the trenches.

Yup. These people don’t fool around…that is pretty obvious. Speaking of Mafia handbook…it occurred to me that once you are “made”…you are stuck..you can’t leave; which explains the lockstep, rubberstamping in congress by the Pukes. Just sayin’. They are stuck and some of them are probably pretty scared.

Straight from the La Cosa Nostra handbook

Is this recommended summer reading?

once you are “made”…you are stuck..you can’t leave; which explains the lockstep, rubberstamping in congress by the Pukes.

So, you are suggestion a witness protection program for GOP Congresscritters?

Karen Silkwood

Yeah.

I will be right back.

So, you are suggestion a witness protection program for GOP Congrescritters?

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Joe Darby

That was Kerr-McGee. Murder, plain and simple.

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Out of character? *g*

lol! took the words outta my mouth :)

LOL…maybe…wouldn’t that be something…

You can’t deny the Godfather wasn’t a good read…

Joe Darby? Please enlighten me?

How about those weird “loyalty oaths”…

O/T -

This just in– problems with voting machines in Indiana.

*sigh*

How about those weird “loyalty oaths”…

I swear I will never take one.

Maybe not congresscritters…but the loyal Bushies…something strange there..

Joe Darby was the Abu Ghraib whistle blower who Rummy ‘thanked’ publicly by name. Last I knew, he was in hiding.

Well, I am glad that Florida, is not the only state that has problems counting votes, it makes us look bad.

Sibel Edmonds

I’m out folks, to watch and cringe with the voting returns.

I’m willing to swear loyalty to Our Constitution.

I don’t know who are the good guys and the bad guys here. Bloch has been accused by career OSC people of tanking investigations and retaliating against OSC staff. But on the other hand, he exposed one of Rove’s most easily indictable crimes. As we know from Siegelman, anyone who exposes Karl to danger of jail gets the full-on storm treatment.

When might we get a sense who the good guys are and what is really going on?

Indira Singh

Thanks for the info.

Perhaps a Salon at a later date.

DC…nevermind

I’m at the Lake almost every day and I have to admit I have no idea who to root for.

I know of Edmonds, who is this other lady ?

Elliot Spitzer

Well, that will put you waaay ahead of practically everyone in the current Administration.

Root for who Canuck are rooting for … the Dem nominee …

“Canucks“

John O’Neill…it’s a biggie..:

wikipedia/JohnP. O’Neill

I’m off too. Be back in 30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1_HHNtXqes

(7 minutes) Indira Singh

Ptech

Your link does not work for me

Mildred Loving discussion up on the NewsHour right now

you would be loath to oath…

Did that the day I joined the military. It’s life-long.

People who are a threat to Rove seem to get the full on Mafia intimidation treatment. If you haven’t read the Siegelman link, do so. Cars run off the road, break ins, house burning. Straight from the La Cosa Nostra handbook

Just who is Karl’s muscle?

Thanks LS !

Really weird…I went to the link and it was gone…I went into my “history” and here is a quote from it:

“John Patrick O’Neill (February 6, 1952 – September 11, 2001) was a top American anti-terrorism expert who worked as a special agent and eventually Assistant Director in the Federal Bureau of Investigation until late 2001. In 1995, O’Neill began to intensely study the roots of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing after he assisted in the capture of Ramzi Yousef, who was the leader of that plot. He subsequently learned of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, and investigated the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia and the 2000 USS Cole bombing in Yemen. Partly due to personal friction he had within the FBI and federal government, O’Neill left to become the head of security at the World Trade Center, where he died at age 49 in the September 11, 2001 attacks. In 2002, O’Neill was the subject of a Frontline documentary named “The Man Who Knew.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O’Neill [repaired by mod]

turd world tactics.

Jeff Gannon?

Wow…I don’t understand…when I hit the link I just cut and pasted…I get to a page that says it doesn’t exist…yet it does…because I just cut and pasted the text….

It’s the American Chicago Way …

You and Badwater at 73 are funny but seriously who the CIA the Klan every criminal has reasons why and methods of getting things done which mark them so just who is Karl’s secret muscle?

More:

“O’Neill’s rise through the ranks at the bureau began to slow as his personal style chafed others and he made a few slip-ups by losing a bureau cell phone and Palm Pilot, improperly borrowing a car from a safe house, and losing track of a briefcase with sensitive documents for a short period. After being passed over for multiple promotions, O’Neill was pleased to be assigned as commander of the FBI’s investigation into the USS Cole bombing in October 2000. However, upon arriving in Yemen, he complained about inadequate security. As his team investigated, O’Neill came into conflict with Barbara Bodine, the U.S. ambassador to Yemen. The two had widely divergent views on how to handle searches of Yemeni property and interviews with citizens and government officials, and they only grew further apart as time progressed.

After a month in Yemen, O’Neill returned to New York 20 pounds (9 kg) lighter than when he left. He hoped to return to that country to continue the investigation, but was blocked by Bodine and others. He continued to investigate the Cole bombing, but eventually decided that the FBI investigation in Yemen must be pulled out due to inadequate security.

A New York Times report of August 19, 2001 suggested that O’Neill had been the subject of an “internal investigation” at the FBI. The report suggested that O’Neill was responsible for losing a briefcase with “highly classified information” in it, containing among other things “a description of every counterespionage and counterterrorism program in New York”. The briefcase was recovered shortly after its disappearance. The FBI investigation was reported to have concluded that the suitcase had been snatched by local thieves involved in a series of hotel robberies, and that none of the documents had been removed or even touched.[1]

Several people came to O’Neill’s defense, suggesting that he was the subject of a “smear campaign”.[2] The Times reported that O’Neill was expected to retire in late August.”

A little more:

”O’Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center in September 2001. (According to New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, ”That Tuesday (9-11) was his first or second day on the job.”) He was appointed by Kroll Associates, namely by the controversial managing director Jerome Hauer. Later that month, he talked to his friend Chris Isham about the job. Jokingly, Isham said, “At least they’re not going to bomb it again.” O’Neill replied, “They’ll probably try to finish the job.”[1]

O’Neill’s remains were recovered from the World Trade Center site on September 22, 2001 and identified by Jerome Hauer.”

I wonder if Karl Rove and others are nervous with a Democrat in the White House who will instruct the FBI to storm his house, bring him to a secret location, beat him silly, and then hold him indefinitely? Huh. I wonder.

[Mod: please do not advocate violence, even fantasy violence, here at the lake]

Sounds like he was a fuck up and was chosen because somebody did not want a real investigation. But O’Neil actually did his job so they pulled the FBI investigation for LACK OF SECURITY?

If DOJ and FBI ultimately report (unofficially) to Rove, then we may have a case of criminals investigating criminals.

Da rats are turning on da snakes and the vultures are waiting in da trees.

-G

Jerome Hauer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Hauer

Off topic already…

Chris Matthews was thrilled talking about Hillary being a gun-toting, whiskey-swilling, shot-taker, but as soon as KO mentioned that Obama went to a bar today in North Carolina, Matthews said, “Oh jeeeeez” while rolling his eyes and acting as if Hillary is genuine and Obama is not.

I’d like to take an elevator ride with Matthews. Not sure how he’ll look when we get off on Floor 12. LOL

Yeah, it would be very informative to know just how all those lines connect for Mueller, Mukasey, Rove, Bush and Cheney. Wouldn’t it be entertaining if it comes down to Rove vs. Cheney for all the marbles? They could take out half the world just trying to attack each other.

Which will then prompt a GOP chorus of “Bill Clinton did it too!”

-G

Hey do you know how hard it is to avoid the mods and come up with a punishment for Rove?

well, didn’t he?

Easy, stick him in a round room and tell him to go pee in the corner.

They (the WDC punditocracy and influence trading society) are afraid of Obama for the same reason they were afraid of Bubba 16 long years ago - he is not one of them and their livelihood is threatened by the prospect of a new sheriff.
Plus - Tweetie wants Hil to pillage in the Fall.

Hey do you know how hard it is to avoid the mods and come up with a punishment for Rove?

Just thinkin’ out loud here, but I believe Scalia had some things to say about interrogation that isn’t punishment…

A mirrored cell would do nicely.

Even the Nazi’s turned on their own prior to and during WWII if their was political or economic advantage to be had.

Clinton never had to pardon his Secretary of Defense, Bush pardons Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger.

That was a whopper!

Of course he did, but the GOP has spent the last 8 years excusing their behavior by saying that Clinton did it too…..

8 Years of attacks on the lack of moral fiber of Bill Clinton and the GOP consistently uses his standards as a measure for their conduct.

Sounds nuts to me.

-G

Sorry about that. My toobz at the office got clogged. This is the second time this has happened. I had to grab the laptop and drive home fast.

Lucky I didn’t get tagged for speeding

I don’t think Bush’s pardons will mean anything to the ICC when the trials start at The Hague.

For Rove I would like to get Samuel Jackson Biblical!

I honestly don’t know. It may be as I said above that Bloch started out as a loyal Bushie until he was asked to do something that he either couldn’t stomach (as in change of heat/ attack of conscience) or for which he did not want to get left holding the bag.

We had no idea while we were talking that you were speeding and holding onto the steering wheel around the corners just to talk to us and be our post host! You are one committed person. I like that. LOL

I’m not so sure that the FBI is as “controlled” by Bushies as people here imply. The FBI started the Plame investigation, and they took the lead in getting a special prosecutor appointed. There were–and probably still are–some very good investigators there.

Doesn’t realize?
I think she doesn’t care.
I also think, to a certain degree she might be right in not caring.
Much as I detest actions enabling the ‘Democrats in Disarray” meme, I do not think it valid.
Absent a coup, there will be a Democratic administration next year.

They are all bad guys.

And they are turning on one another.

Pop some popcorn, ‘prop — it’s gonna be a long summer of Rovian intrigue. He still lunches once a week at the White House, and you just know he’s handed a long list of “what do we do now, Karl?” the minute he walks in the door.

True we just need to invite Rove and company to give a paid half million dollar speech at the Hague and the we arrest them! Cops uses ruses all the time to flush out perps.

I’m sure trying to explain your way out of the ticket by saying you had to get to the Lake to be with your pup peeps prolly wouldn’t get you out of a ticket

Time to toss some carne adobado on the grill

No

I totally agree with you on that.

Just who is Karl’s muscle?

I would LOVE to know. It may be that’s how he/they fianlly get caught. Don’t forget watergate was a two bit break in, but it took down the last unitary executive

Oh I get the “she doesn’t care” part. The fact she doesn’t care is the first sign of a neocon and she will not get my vote in November (neither will McCain). I have confidence that most Democrats will vote for her, so I don’t feel bad about voting for Obama in November and “wasting” my vote. ;-)

The coup happened in 2000 and I think the Clintons were jealous.

Thanks lhp.

In one of those investigative books on the FBI and/or CIA, I’d love to see a table stacking up successes vs. failures during the institutions’ entire existences. Think that would be very informative. I, of course, have my opinion of how it would come out. (Like J. Edgar Dresswearer who didn’t go after the mafia for oh so long.)

Bloch had the Geek Squad or some such crew into the office to “remove a virus” from most of his office’s hard drives, but the investigators think he was, what did they used to call it? Oh, yeah, obstructing justice.

Hahahahahaha.

I get the page that says the article does not exist. Maybe they took it down?

last previous unitary executive

Edited for clarity, with your permission. Nixon, nor W, will be the “last.”

1,834 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Firepup Freedom Fighters:

The cancer has metastasized to the point that no department or branch of the executive is healthy… our entire administrative aparatus is corrputed and the corporate media act as though there is nuthin’ untoward goin’ on jest good old police work. JEEzus…it’s gunna take years ta clean up the mess…things are settin’ up jest right for a coup.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS ARE EVERYWHERE!!

Ok just please keep us all informed on this, follow up on stories is very important so we feel like either we are getting screwed or accomplishing something the MSM has no follow up nothing ever seems to get accomplished the MSM almost never connects the dots.
I think lack of follow up leads most people to feel powerless.

TCU, I don’t think they’d show up to the Hague to give a speech. Just the thought of traveling there would give them the hives.