Good morning, Elliot. I see CNN is still beating the Wright drum…

If anyone is bored with Rev. Wright, Frank Rich discusses Rev. Hagee a bit in his column today. Complete with a clip of some of his best stylings.

*sigh*
but that’s the only show promoting it this Sunday, I’ll take that as a sign of hope, maybe next week they’ll get around to dropping it.

The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got apple muffins with walnuts that just came out of the oven. Have a grand Sunday.

I thought I’d bring your apple muffins with walnuts over here. Nothing like a muffin straight from the oven, smells good too :)

good morning elliot and all firdogs!

have a business appointment in a few so can’t stay long, just stopped by to say hi

ABC’s This Week: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY). Live one hour program broadcast from Indianapolis, IN.

hmmm…. guess she’ll be coming from the local studio about six blocks from me.

I don’t care.

Mornin’ all!

That is a sharp takedown, the whole piece. Definitely recommended reading for all. Sure wish the rest of the MSM would read it, and take notes.

Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there’s any coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane Jeremiah, it’s that this nation’s perennially promised candid conversation on race has yet to begin.

This was the main story on their home page for most of yesterday: Analysis: The Wright effect on presidential race

Morning perris :) How’ve you been lately? Is your busy season busy? I hope GWB hasn’t put a crink in it.

Morning all.

Cazayoux, Dem takes Congressional seat in special election. (LA-6th, Baton Rouge).

just sent the whole article to the parental units. For some reason, she’s outraged that Obama would attend a church of the Rev. Wright, and I’ve got twenty bucks that she’s never even heard of Hagee.

Smart woman - but she fucks up her vote every single election. Heck - I *gotta* vote, just to offset a stupid one (or more) coming outta my own family…

Hi jayt,
Where’ve ya been, out campaigning?
Tell us the mood there. Are the people psyched to go to the polls?

ps I enjoyed your songs this morning :)

and mornin all yourself, twolf.

Re LA special election — sorry, having embedded link problems

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/.....t=politics

before I go I would like to leave with a wish;

I wish all democrats would stop going defensive when discussing torture and start going on the attack

start asking the advocate why they hate this country with things like this;

“when we torture someone for information we’ve lost ten quality leads for every weak lead we get through torture, we have also turned moderates into radicals

for every attack we thwart through the information gathered from torture we cause three from the family and friends that that turn against and reprise for the torture we visited on their friend or relative

let me tell you something, if a country tortured my son or my mom you can rest assured I will take my revenge on that country and it will not be pretty

so why do those that advocate torture want us attacked?

why do they want terrorism against us?

why do they hate our country?”

I want the democrats to start embarrasing those that advocate torture and attack their intelligence, their patriotism and their platform

I do not want to see another democrat defensive about our position

see all later

no, my busy season is a failure and we might be out of business before next year

no kidding

anyway see all later

Good Morning

hiya Elliott:

I been pretty much laid up for over a week, so I don’t have a feel for it. No newspaper, teevee, or even FDL lurking for the last week and a half.

*I’m* psyched, however….

If anything, I’m catching an Obama vibe.

Cazayoux

Does that perchance mean “Good news” ? cause it sure is good news.

I feel your pain! I was raised by a rock-ribbed Republican mother (Kent State changed her mind) and was sent subscriptions to National Review by my father. I hope that having Hillary in the neighborhood doesn’t cause too much disturbance. Here’s hoping that she’s not like W who has to have everything within 5 or 6 blocks cordoned off…

Cazayoux “hopes to join the coalition known as the Blue Dogs…”

I’m lookin’ out the window and don’t see or hear anything unusual.

HRC will take southern Indiana - Obama takes northern Indiana, Indianapolis is gonna be the key.

perris, I’m sorry to hear that.
I hate George Bush and the media/corporatocracy he rode in on.

If it didn’t before, it does now *g*

Hi MM!

*sigh*

How’re you managing your tomato infestion?

Helloooooooooo Elliot, happy Sunday to you.

Lincoln Chaffee is on CSPAN2.

and Indianapolis is positively schizophrenic. For years, its representatives have been Julia (now grandson Andre) Carson in the inner-city, and noted non-sane-person Dan Burton for the northern, more affluent suburbs.

Good morning everyone. It’s drizzly here in Maine this morning but we’re glad it isn’t snow. ;-)

Mornin’, pups — Bob Herbert yesterday, Frank Rich today — salut to the shining beacons…and *spit* on the rest of ‘em. I will know the media have thrown off their tool-shackles when the heading reads “Candidates and their pastors…” instead of “you-know-who.”

Once again, after the election, we’ll have Howard Kurtz mock-wringing his hands saying, we knew better, we all acted like sheep, we chased the shiny objects, we didn’t do our jobs…yadda…yadda….

Hey, Moyers already laid it out for his colleagues. But they were likely too busy gossiping at the table about the next dinner get-together where they’d get to hear Bushie….

*double-spit*

isn’t this the guy who broke the downingstreet memos?

From The Sunday Times
United States is drawing up plans to strike on Iranian insurgency camp
Michael Smith

The US military is drawing up plans for a “surgical strike” against an insurgent training camp inside Iran if Republican Guards continue with attempts to destabilise Iraq, western intelligence sources said last week. One source said the Americans were growing increasingly angry at the involvement of the Guards’ special-operations Quds force inside Iraq, training Shi’ite militias and smuggling weapons into the country.

British officials believe the US military tends to overestimate the effect of the Iranian involvement in Iraq.

Spit!!!!!! ;-)

Just occurred to me - Obama drew Timmeh, while HRC gets The Disney Channel.

figures…

It’s fascinating what he’s sharing, huh? Wow.

what can i say, i’d rather listen to the rev. wright than just about anyone else who’s been in the news/infotainment lately

Since Rich and others have brought up Wright, and done so in relation to Hagee, I’d like to point out a few problems with the comparison.

1) I was fervently opposed to the Religious Right imposing itself on American politics and hijacking the GOP;

2) It was and is a major strike against Bush, McCain or any pol who embraces those religious nuts;

3) I expect right wingers to pander to religious extremists, not left wingers, and I do so because I think they’re crazy;

4) Indeed, McCain is pandering to Hagee while Obama didn’t pander (until he decided he could in fact disown him due to a personal and political offense, not due to anything he heard over 20 years of being a member of that church) but chose him as his pastor;

5)If Obama’s entire campaign is based on NOT being “they do it too”, then Rich and others maybe shouldn’t be saying, “They do it too.”;

6)The Wright problem isn’t anything Wright said, it’s that it discredits Obama’s claim of not doing the politically expedient thing, his judgment, and his veracity;

7) As much as his camp would like the Wright thing to go away, and even if it should go away,the reality is that the GOP is in no way going to let it go away, they have the correct (and deadly) take on the subject, and Democrats are covering their eyes and ears over it to their peril.

Yeah. But too little too late. Why didn’t he say it then, when it might have mattered? In response to my Q about same when he was here at FDL, he said he would have ruined his career, been unable to do anything for his constituents, and not have been able to make a difference at the time. But I say there are times in the tide of human events when taking a stand is where it’s at.

I hope not, that’s disturbing.

thanks for the heads up. watching now.

Juno, did you read Frank Rich?

yes. there is no excuse. but he does seem to be trying to make amends now - and that counts with me.

Were they being threatened back then that if they didn’t give George Bush & Dick Cheney what they wanted they would lose all money going to their states?

I’d like to add that to the long list of crimes (criminal threatening) against Bush & Cheney.

The only way to deal with a bully is to bully back. If you cave, the gig’s up.

that, i think, goes back to at least lbj.

Lieberman should have gotten his ass kicked out in 2006 too. Sad that Chafee was and Lieberman is still around to spew, “I’m all for killing as long as the US & Israel is doing it and as long as Israelis aren’t hurt”.

Spit.

I have a psychological aversion to people who get it right when it’s too late to matter. Not saying I’m being fair, just saying that’s how I react emotionally.

relevant to teh Sunday talking heads, did everyone read the discussion in yesterday’s Book Salon? highly recommended

Glenn Greenwald hosted Arianna Huffington. Her new book is
“Right Is Wrong: How the Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded the Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe”

Planning an attack is another war crime. call the cops!

And isn’t it frustrating to hear the media know saying, “We had no idea!”, when it’s been Helen Thomas screaming truth to power around these assholes and they just sat back, caved, and decided to do the wrong thing for Americans but the right thing for the Bush White House, by asking softball questions of it?

One thing is for sure: LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES/DEMOCRATS/RATIONAL REPUBLICANS (20 left in the country)/ were correct right from the beginning. We’ve stood firm and we’ll look back 30 years from now and say, “I knew that. I yelled it from the rooftops. How come you couldn’t see it?”.

i haven’t always gotten right the first time (or even the second time). hell, i didn’t even starting paying attention to us foreign policy (and national politics in general) until 2001.

can’t say i got being a citizen right when it mattered - which is, apparently, always.

makes me a little hesitant to judge those who are at least making the effort to do what they can now.

Just did, yes.

Rich is my favorite columnist, but his argument here is very flawed, I think.

I understand what you’re saying, and I have strong feelings, too, that people should stand up, but I really do believe in the principle of redemption. True redemption, not the faux version Bush hides behind.

Hey, who’s going to win the honorable Sunday pundit award today? I’m guessin’ it’ll be Shieffer. He may not have the big “gets” but he’s far and away the best of the lot.

How come you couldn’t see it?

Hmmmm, hands over ears, la-la-la-la-la-la, we don’t want to have to report the truth, we won’t get invited back to the East Room or the Sedona BBQ or…..

good morning pupeeps…im sitting here crying………….for EIGHT BELLES,and all the Iraqi children and pets living in that Bushchasm of a country ,my TEARS wont stop today

Morning all,
60 minutes TILLMAN was set up and it was no damn accident. Murder is what we used to call this shit were the country had a moral compass, until dick & george stole the needle. May Pat Tillman rest in peace when his bulldog mother rips the truth out of the nest of war criminals that have taken over our country. And they are worse than the nazis. Blackwater my ass.
Am I Pissed ,You bet !

i cant stop,they are just rolling down,but Tom Hanks has endorsed my man Obama,so mebbe a little joy is in order

Let me refine my comment. Chaffee got it right from the outset. He just didn’t go public. And he knew he should. He just said he was sitting in a meeting saying “this is insane.”

There are only a few opportunities in life to take a stand when it matters. Chaffee flubbed his.

Disclosure: I did the same homework he did & came to the same conclusions before the Iraq invasion. Having not been able to find Iraq on a map a year before (slight exaggeration). From which I conclude that getting it right was easy. It was not one of those circumstances where it was hard to get it right, as long as you “did your homework.”

Turning off meet the press now. Turned it on and all there is is push-pastor time.

Russert–you asshole.

we have MURDERED A COUNTRY for their(OUR)oil,an entire country

he should say what John Kerry said…ya really need to give it up PUMKINHEAD,the highest paid of all the shills,and Dick killer cheneys mouthpiece
20,000,000.00 dollars per year

why is it everyday of this maladministration,i wake up with knots in my stomach?

I agree. Actually, one only had to read G.H.W. Bush’s, Brent Scowcroft’s,Colin Powell’s, and Dick Cheney’s arguments from 1991 to understand why it was utterly stupid to invade and occupy Iraq.

definitely tuning in to see what Mrs Tillman has to say.

btw imo CBS is banging the war drum a lot lately.

a trillion dollars has been removed from the TREASURY…and that is all there is to the mystery….the GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY on steroids

I really do believe in the principle of redemption. True redemption, not the faux version Bush hides behind.

Your attitude is the right one. Mine is just an emotinal reaction, in reaction to what might have been.

oh i agree that it was not hard to get right - if one asked questions and didn’t take what the administration was saying as the truth without checking it out.

i have lots of sympathy for citizens who didn’t do that - but none for congress.

but none of us who knew (or thought we knew) took enough of a stand.

i started asking questions on sept 12, 2001 - and by feb of 2002 i organized my first anti-war event (anti-afghanistan war), i protested, i stood in traffic and handed out leaflets, i met with my congress critter, i helped organize - all i did for months was work and organize against the two wars. the only vacations i took were the kind where one gets tear gassed.

and i still think i didn’t do enough. so i have trouble putting it all on chaffee - he did far more than my own senator kerry. chaffee did vote against the war, he did say it was wrong. yes, he could have done more. but so could all of us.

hey they need to pay for replacing Katie,war is MUST SEE TV

they used the Nazis smear…anybody not on board for Blitzkreig was UNpatriotic…works everytime

From which I conclude that getting it right was easy. It was not one of those circumstances where it was hard to get it right, as long as you “did your homework.”

There’s someone else who got it right on invading Iraq,
Video record posted right here at The Institute of Expertology

and i still think i didn’t do enough. so i have trouble putting it all on chaffee - he did far more than my own senator kerry. chaffee did vote against the war, he did say it was wrong. yes, he could have done more. but so could all of us
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nothing would have stopped them,this was planned out years ago

Chris Wallace is pounding the queation: is Obama now radioactive for the Democrats downticket?
*heaving heavier sigh*

Good point. Turn the presidency into a war movie/action adventure series as a distraction from the real
business at hand, a new round of war contracts and plain theft, all in the name of god and right. it is as
american as apple pie these days, why, it works! Nuremberg is the cure.

Well, David Horowitz up on CSPAN2, so I guess I’ll go back to reading Molly Ivins’ book, Bill of Wrongs.

once the election was STOLEN,NOTHING could have stopped them

not going to watch horowitz - i have enough trouble with my blood pressure as it is.

what a disgrace to his dad,that POS

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

So that must mean he’s radioactive for republicans. Since they lie and and twist around the truth and all.

nothing would have stopped them,this was planned out years ago

could NOT disagree more.

people have successfully resisted in the face of brutal repression. which we did not face.

there just weren’t enough of us and we weren’t smart enough or courageous enough.

they had the media,and the media owns their minds…1984 is here,face it

I agree that nothing could have stopped it. But the more people who did somethng early, the sooner it was going to get undone. That’s why I’m so disgusted with the Ds in Congress, and their inability to stand up for what is really important. I’m not arguing that Chaffee wcould have made it all not happen, just that if he & more stood up sooner, it would get reversed sooner.

I had a personal tragedy that was very apparent in advance–not exactly what happened but that something disastrous was highly likely. I did everything I knew to avert it, but my best was not good enough. So I understand that aspect thoroughly. But whatever the outcome, it’s still preferable after-the-fact to have done everything possible.

Ahh no surprise, Timmeh invited black people on his show, usually only happens if he wants to talk about race. He doesn’t seem to make much use of the journalists and analysts that happen to be black or brown (or female) for everyday issues.

He only likes to work within his own comfort zone.

And -ninner ninner- he’s afraid of the Arianna she-wolf.

i wish i was wrong

i layed ALL MY HOPES and dreams on the OLDEST member of congress,and then i knew…we were trully fucked

Chris Wallace is pounding the queation: is Obama now radioactive for the Democrats downticket?

of course, that’s how they do it. first make obama disown his amazing pastor - and then get people to disown obama.

that’s just what they do, and we fall for it every time… because i’m not like those dfh.

we pitch our allies under the bus in order to appear “respectable” to people who 1) will never respect us and 2) who’s respect we should reject not seek.

First 22 minutes devoted to Reverend Wright on MTP. No new ground plowed. Seemed excessive. Obama was calm, cool and cogent, but the sizzle is missing so far.

ain’t that the truth!

had a personal tragedy that was very apparent in advance–not exactly what happened but that something disastrous was highly likely. I did everything I knew to avert it, but my best was not good enough. So I understand that aspect thoroughly. But whatever the outcome, it’s still preferable after-the-fact to have done everything possible
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imo ONLY Powell could have stopped it

did obama repudiate wright again?

DAMNIT…TELL TIM WHAT KERRY SAID….let it go………..

Yes, he did.

i would say…after almot a year and 1/2 Tim…is this all you want to know?

((eCHAN))

i’m learning to despise obama the way i despise the clintons.

oh thats good

in some ways i think the tragedies we see coming are the hardest. (((eCAHN)))

your letting the coprporate fat cats control your repone to him,by THEIR framing

And in the spirit of redemption I went back to watch MTP. I think it was only 20 minutes before Russet moved on to actual, you know, issues.

i’d prefer to wait until after november - makes supporting the candidate a bit easier.

response

your letting the coprporate fat cats control your response to him,by THEIR framing

what framing is that? i don’t know what you are talking about.

Surprise!!
The Fox News AllStars going on about Wright some more, oh and some more.

Brit Hume: Obama is stained! stained and tarnished by this Wright episode.

Kristol thinks Hillary will win Indiana by 8-9 points. She needs an incredible close loss in NC, or a literal win, to figuratively win NC.
on a side note: he isn’t his ebullient self this morning.

definitely tuning in to see what Mrs Tillman has to say.

She’s good, but I’d rather see his brother interviewed - that guy’s a bad man…

But she’ll more than hold her own too, I’m sure.

did ya see this

http://vids.myspace.com/index......d=33546997

they are creating a strawman with Rev Wright,who was mereely his pator,not RASPUTIN..imo

Sorry, I was on the phone with my wife.

Tomatoes have been ignored while my daughter has been in the hospital since Friday with a severe strep reaction, but she’s coming home in a little bit. So, I need to get dressed and pick up a bit. She’ll be excited that the melon and amaranth seeds she planted last week have sprouted while she was gone.

Q&A: Justice Antonin Scalia discusses his new book, “Making Your Case: The Art of Persuading Judges.”

I know, I know: take the most extreme right wing position, and argue in front of the Supreme Court.

TURN OFF THE LIARS…they get million each of them to preeve the STATUS QUO

{{{{{{{{{so sorry}}}}}}}}}

what are you talking about - i don’t even watch network news or have cable tv (other than c-span).

but i did listen to two of wright’s sermons, and i watched wright on bill moyers and the npc event on c-span.

and if obama repudiates wright for anything i saw - then, imo, obama deserves to be despised.