
Arianna Huffington’s latest book — Right Is Wrong: How the Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded the Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe — thoroughly documents the most influential fact in our political life: namely, that the right-wing faction which has taken over the Republican Party is radical, deeply hostile to America’s core political traditions and values, and incomparably destructive. As she puts it: "they don’t believe in evolution but believe in torture."
But the real value of this book is its examination of the two key culprits in the ascension of this right-wing fringe: the establishment media and the Beltway leaders of the Democratic Party. Huffington’s insights are most piercing and innovative when her targets are the bloated, empty-headed media stars who have done more than anyone else to allow this fringe group to masquerade as part of the mainstream. And she pinpoints the dual afflictions which have rendered the media totally supine, when they aren’t actively complicit, in the face of this falsehood-spewing, extremist movement — the twisted notion of journalistic "balance" which means that they present every claim no matter how objectively false, along with the "self-hating" mentality of "liberal" journalists who have internalized right-wing smears and thus repeat them and seek to accommodate them:
A key to understanding the fanatical Right’s takeover of the Republican Party and how these ideas spread to the rest of the country is looking at the role of the media—not the Fox News pseudo-newsmen or the talk radio blowhards—but the respectable, supposedly liberal media. Without the enabling of the traditional media—with their obsession with “balance” and their pathological devotion to the idea that truth is always found in the middle—the radical Right would never have been able to have its ideas taken seriously. . . . By reporting everything through this prism the media missed the big story: the hijacking of America by the lunatic Right.
Perhaps the most compelling proof of how potent is Huffington’s critique of the media’s malfeasance is that one of her prime and most-deserving targets, pseudo-tough-guy Tim Russert, banned Huffington from appearing on NBC and MSNBC shows to discuss her book, because of his hurt feelings over the criticism she voices. As demonstrated by the recent network news blackout of the NYT’s "military analyst" expose — a blackout which Huffington recently described as "among the most shameful in the history of American journalism" — our media stars will simply suppress, conceal from their audience, any content which reveals their fundamental corruption. Hence, Russert uses his position at NBC to ensure that NBC viewers are blocked from hearing Huffington’s revealing critique of his "journalism."
Huffington is equally unsparing — and equally on-point — when it comes to the fear-driven, weakness-embodying Democratic Party establishment, which has been as unwilling as the establishment press to take on the fringe Right:
The other not-so-innocent bystanders to the Right’s takeover are the Democrats who have continued to tread far too lightly when it comes to holding the GOP’s fanatical core accountable. Time and time again, the Democratic leadership has allowed itself to get played, run over, or distracted.
In sum, we are a nation that has been taken over by a political movement that holds fringe views largely because the two institutions which had the responsibility to expose the truth of what they are — the media and the "opposition party" — miserably failed to fulfill those functions. Huffington’s book is a merciless though extremely well-documented indictment of those failed institutions, and highlights the havoc these failures have wreaked on our country and political culture.
As depressing as all of that may sound, the book itself is characterized by the vibrant and entertaining yet always hard-hitting tone which characterizes everything Arianna does. And underlying its assessment of our deep-seated political woes is a bulging optimism that the Right can be easily crushed — the same optimistic premise which drove her to create and build with shocking speed The Huffington Post, one of the few real counter-weights to the toxic right-wing noise machine. The reason for this optimism is clear and simple. As she puts it:
Democrats are in the majority today because the positions they campaigned are in line with mainstream America. But if the lunatic fringe group now known as the Republican Party is to be stopped in its efforts to radically remake this country, Democrats are going to have to step up and defend the mainstream that swept them into power in 2006.
This is the critical truth proven by Huffington’s book: that Democrats’ core positions are mainstream and the GOP’s those of a repudiated fringe. Whether that will translate into political success for the Democrats, and the desperately needed destruction of the Right, depends largely on whether the prescriptions set out in this book are followed or ignored.
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Arianna, Welcome to the Lake. Glenn thank you for hosting this book salon.
Welcome, Arianna. I have ordered your book.
Good afternoon Arianna and Glenn.
How do we push back?
Cause you know it’s coming.
Welcome Arianna and Glenn! A great privilege to have you here.
Welcome, Arianna!
I don’t think you could have asked for a better endorsement of your book than to have Russert get you un-invited from the Peacock network’s various television shows.
Has there been any additional interest because of this from CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, etc., or are they happy to let Russert and NBC carry their water for them?
Hi Arianna,
I want to thank you for enabling the Huffington Post community to contribute words and phrases for “The Bush Years” posters. Cathartic for all.
- Tom
Ms. Huffington, it’s a great honor to have you here at FDL.
I purchased your book earlier (but like an idiot forgot to use the FDL link) and am looking forward to reading it. Thanks for all you have done for our country.
Welcome to you both.
Please tell us more about the MSNBC blackout. Have you really been banned, Arianna, because of Russert’s sensitive, um, ego?
Arriana,
Thank you so much for stopping by the Lake today. At HuffPo, I use the screen name “Subway.”
On an old episode of M*A*S*H, Frank Burns gets involved in some petty theft, and gets caught in the theft when trying to return what he stole. In the end he says to Hotlips, “I’ve sure learned my lesson. If you steal something, you should never try to give it back.” Many people believe that there was tampering by the Right in the past two Presidential Elections. During the ensuing eight years a lot of crimes, including war crimes have been committed, and the only thing standing between BushCo and serious prosecution, is the legal protection normally afforded to the occupants of their current mailing address.
If this was, in fact a hijacking, shouldn’t we be expecting a list of “non negotiatable demands” from the fringe soon? If their offices were, in fact stolen, who’s to stop them if they decide it’s not in our “National Interest” for them to return those offices to their rightful owners in January?
Obama/Dean 08
Fast Relief for the Fierce Urgency of Now!
Good afternoon everyone. Thank you so much for joining the chat.
Hi Arianna…thanks for all of your hard work and brave stance.
Bush/CheneyPelosi…ReidMcGigiloBlue DogsMukaseyJust for starters. JMHO
Can’t believe I spelled your name wrong, Arianna…sorry.
Thanks so much for being here, Arianna.
One of the tenets we’ve long advocated is that it’s fine for the extremists to have an outpost on Fox News, the wingnut ghetto, but the kind of eliminationist rhetoric spouted by right wing pundits shouldn’t have a place in mainstream media.
Likewise, serious politicians shouldn’t appear on Fox News and legitimize it as a news source.
How do you feel about the two presidential candidates agreeing to appear on Fox, whose audience is statistically pretty unpersuadable anyway?
The best way to push back right now is to unmask John McCain. That’s why I wrote the last chapter of the book on John McCain “Hijacked by the Right.” It’s critical to convince the voters and the media that the McCain of 2000 is no more. The maverick has been replaced by the pandering pawn to the Right.
Arianna, I’ve just ordered your book…and yours, too, Glenn.
Arianna – Do you believe that the establishment media can be reformed or do you believe that the problems you describe with them are systemic?
Also: should efforts be devoted to (a) shaming them into mild changes, (b) building our own alternative institutions to make them irrelevant or (c) both?
Yes, it’s a little bit like high school! I’ve done lots of CNN shows as well as ABC and will be doing CBS and PBS. I’ve been invited to do Sean Hannity but life is too short! I have links to many of the shows in my posthere. And if you want to read more on Russert and RussertWatch, check out this piece by Jason Linkins.
Arianna,
Love your work and was disappointed not to see you on Olbermann.
CNN and MSNBC are really on the heels of Fox in their ineptness and steering of the election. I write protest emails all the time. What’s left for us to do?
I don’t think Huffington Post ever pretended to be “balanced”. It is a liberal blog site. At least that is how I see it. We need more sites like this to fight the radical right wing bloggers.
So happy you liked the posters. I’ve included them in the book, and I’ve personally framed them in my NY office!
Hi Ariana, and Glen.
Ariana, Do you think one of the reasons the major media have given a free pass to the Bush administration is because this President is so pro-Israel?
Kinda hard to do when we’re not controlling the conversation.
Por ejemplo, the chyron today on MSNBC was “Obama’s Pastor Problem”.
Reverend Wright is indeed out there but how do we change it to “McCain’s Pastor Problem”? Hagee, Paisley and the other lunatics who McCain has campaigned to get their endorsement.
Yes. I do so agree with you.
I think I’ve seen the shift to that here at The Lake.
Why do you think so many of McCain’s Achilles’ heels issues have disappeared from the MSM?
How ’bout that little fling with the Lobbyist?
Should we concentrate more on his ignorance of policies or go for some of the personal issues?
Thank you for your time here.
I would love to see you on Olbermann and Press the Meat. I’d like to encourage you to call Mr Potato Head and discuss it. We learned in the Libby trial, that Russert’s phone calls are off the record, at least phone calls from senior White House Official’s, so there’s little downside in making the call.
how do we change it to “McCain’s Pastor Problem”? Hagee, Paisley and the other lunatics who McCain has campaigned to get their endorsement.
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You simply cannot get past the LPWB problem. Loudly Pastoring While Black.
Hello Arianna and Glenn! Welcome and thank you for being here. I want to ask you both a question.
Do you envision any time in our future when we might have our media back? I think the fall of the “fourth estate” has caused at least as much damage as the right wing extremists.
Can we EVER live in a time when honest journalism is once again valued?
Thank you both so much for everything you do! I read you both several times a day!
Hi Arianna,
Thanks for appearing on FDL! I’d like to ask basically the same question as Glenn. How can we get the media to do their job better? It’s now gotten to the point where blockbuster stories (the “independent” generals that he mentions in the intro), the torture session in the WH itself) are ignored or only reported by one major outlet and then forgotten. What can we do about that?
Arianna!
I thoroughly enjoyed following the ‘06 Mid-term Season at the HuffPo – starting with Jane’s posts on Ned’s great Victory in August of that year – and I think we’re well on Our way to an even better ‘08!
Let’s do it, again!
What a difference you and Jane have made to Our Political Landscape!
Thanks for all you do!
“I read you both several times a day!”
Arianna, cause you update constantly on HuffPo, and Glenn, cause I’m not a lawyer and keep coming back to for fully digest some of what you say.
hehe
sorry.
Arianna, how can we change the picture painted by lazy journalists of our blogosphere dominated by males? There are many excellent women bloggers, and yet the image Brian Williams painted of Vinnie prevails, and was recently echoed by (iirc) a NYT piece.
Also, it’s so depressing to see a bunch of white males on, for instance, David Gregory’s MSNBC program, especially when they are pontificating on their latest made-up controversy involving an African American preacher. Rachel Maddow, when she appears, is a ray of sunshine. Most women who appear on these shows — Cokie Roberts, Margaret Carlson, and Kate O’Bierne, for example — toe the Villager line very loyally.
What can we do to make cable teevee look more like America?
Agree.
I have always found HuffPo to be intelligent, reasonable, and coherent. That’s why Rove and his minions try so hard to paint it as “extreme.”
Glenn, I’m always an optimist and therefore believe that the media can be reformed, but only when they are forced to. And right now the alternative institutions we are building that both cover news differently and keep the traditional media’s feet to the fire is the best way to ensure that traditional media are reformed. But we have a long long way to go judging by the ABC debate and the hiring of Bill Kristol, Tony Snow and Karl Rove! Yet a lot of what we are doing is having an impact. The Russert Watch for example that I started on HuffPost 3 years ago is now being picked up and we’ll be done at the Columbia Journalism Review.
Hi Arianna and Glenn. It’s so nice of you to spend time with us.
(Glenn, I’ve read some of your book and just started The Real McCain.)
The NeoCons are full of hot air and I suspect their bellowing masks a fear – of what? That they’ll be accountable for their criminality?
What are the Dems. afraid of? Being called names? Personal Secrets Revealed?
I come back to Glenn’s blog for Update VI. :)
well, yes! there are the updates, which may or may not require more googling and study if you are me.
which you are not, but still……….
My understanding is Speaker Pelosi promised the Republicans that no impeachment hearings will occur, regardless of the abuses committed by the White House, in a political calculation to help Democrats gain seats in ‘08. But look at just what kind of watered-down Democrats we’ve got who think this way. What kind of value do they offer the American people? We need people in Congress who will stand up for what’s right and ethical, regardless of political calculations.
- Tom
First of all Jane thank you so much for hosting me here — one of my absolute favorite sites. For me even more important than where the candidates appear is what they say. I would like to see them dictating the game more and unequivocally challenging the Right’s claims on especially patriotism and national security.
Arianana, Over the past dozen years or so you have undergone quite a political metamorphosis. I understand that you now consider yourself a progressive independent coming from the fourth dimension of political time and space. Could you explain what prompted your journey to the left and what you mean by the ‘fourth dimension of political time and space?’
Arianna,
First, thank you for your hard work championing progressive politics.
My question; Given how completely mass media is controlled by partisan corporate interests, what hope is there for a democracy without an informed electorate? Are we being “info-tained” during our decline and fall as a nation?
Welcome, Arianna, when my husband and I heard you interviewed on ABC by Charlie Gibson, we wanted to strangle him. He just kept making his arguments as if you were in a debate. We both used to like him, but he has definitely sold out.
Good point. So one way is by setting a good example. After all, the MSM people (or at least some of them) do have a conscience, and they are often working against tight deadlines, so having stories out there for them to pick up on is a good idea.
Another point: How about trying to work with the Journalism schools and programs at Universities? That would take more time, of course, but over the long run it could make a big difference.
Hello, Arianna:
I’m more concerned with the complicity of congressional Democrats (like Sen. Feinstein) than with “last-century media” pundits. Do you have a strategy to recommend which would compel them to do what their constituents demand rather than what suits BushCo? I wrote emails to my Senators & Rep until DiFi gave Mukasey the go-ahead, at which point I became unable to sustain civil discourse for many days. Their constant cave-ins are absolutely infuriating and totally anti-productive.
If our Representatives refuse to represent us, what options do we have besides revolution?
Welcome to the Lake Arianna,
Haven’t gotten the book—yet—but want to thank you for helping Jane, Christy, Marcy et al into the press pass loop for the Libby trial. That was one of the finest examples of what the “alternative” media is able to accomplish. How do we do and fund more of these enterprises?
And do you see on the horizon any kind of a news network that will actually be structured to present an unbiased news format? There have been a few fits and starts but I haven’t heard about anything in a while.
I would hope that Timmeh blacking you out is something that you can wear as a badge of honor.
Yes, we just need to realize that the old fashioned “mainstream” media have, in many cases, become the best friend of the Right — simply by adhering to the belief that every major issue has two sides, two valid perspectives, and both deserve to be given equal weight.
I think shamelessness is a core “value” of this administration, so I think that is of no use.
Since we have some heavy hitters here, I’d love it if you all could speak to this insane concept of “Secret Law” that Sen Feingold held hearings on this past week. How can we expect any accountability if all emails are deleted, documents “privatized” or destroyed, etc.
We are going to have to implement a “de-imperialization” with a “Scalitotudinous” SCOTUS. Any roadmap to restoration?
wow, dogstar! what a great way to put it!!!
sort of like creationism and evolution. Sadly the public has come to not understand there is a difference between truth and fantasy.
Not that you addressed the question to me, Glenn, but I think we can forget about the MSM. They are corporate, after all, and all that that implies makes it highly unlikely we’d see any meaningful reform to begin with, given their deference to the defense of the status quo.
However, alternative sites like yours at Salon, here at Firedoglake, to name a few, are growing in popularity and influence (or, at least, I hope) and the future is bright.
Wishful thinking, perhaps, but the best response to the corporate Orwellian purveyors of untruth is to simply disregard them and set an alternative sail .
My two favorite people — Glenn & Arianna. Today I sent an e-mail to MoveOn to ask their opinion about organizing a national boycott of sorts, of one of the major TV networks. A national day of mourning to bring attention to our discomfort with the media, i.e., ABC Debate, Pentagon Scandal, Torture, Russert, etc. I have wracked my brain about this, to make the media more honest, and outside of sending Eric Robert Rudolph type letters (which I haven’t done) I’m clueless. TV is so powerful we need to have more than just Keith Olbermann on our side to really make headway.
Seems to me that there is a good opening wedge to teach budding journalists (not to mention the general public). Just to get them to (instinctively) recognize that some statements are just plain false, and how to judge, on a rational basis, the likely truth of what they hear would be an enormous step forward.
But there are other issues that quite simply do not have two sides. Iraq wasn’t a material threat to the security of the United States. Global warming is real. That’s why I called my first chapter on the media “Equal Time For Lies.” I think it’s the key to the Right’s sway over the media.
Like Pontius Pilate washing his hands of responsibility, they want to pretend they are leaving the question of “what is truth” to the public — refusing to admit that there is sometimes even such a thing as truth.
Just once I’d like to see somebody turn around and call Timmeh or Tweety or any of them a liar.
“What can we do to make cable teevee look more like America?”
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One thought I’ve had is “follow the money.” I just saw a report this week (can’t recall the linky at the moment) that aggregate ad revenue on the internet has now eclipsed that of Tradmed. Screw cable TV. I’m working an a live TV webcast for the band I represent (and our many friends). We’re gonna push it out real-time, but not in the amateur/juvie formats you see from a lot of music sources today. The technology continues to improve rapidly, and the TV/internet distinction is gonna disappear.
Of course, if ‘net neutrality goes down, so too will the opportunity for live independent quality real-time news.
Non illegitimi carborundum! It’s bad, for sure, but it’s not hopeless. Witness Krugman, Jon Stewart, Colbert. The trend is going our way, IMO.
We know that the media is corporately driven.
Now, we have this new-fangled blogosphere.
The media is still the message, but this one is not so obviously corporate- driven.
Still, and all, what, Arianna, do you think is the best way to show how whomever the Dem candidate is, is much better for our country than Mr. McCain?
It is so distressing for me as I get my news from HuffPo, FDL, and a plethora of other progressive blogs and zines, and I ALSO keep an eye on MSM and the messages and news are so vastly different! The blogs and info on the net are not only relevant but OMG. there’s the whole planet of events and news and especially the dealings of the Bu$h administration and it never gets shown nor mentioned on the TEEVEE. And my friends, and even my bf doesn’t have a clue to what’s happened, and I can’t make them listen. The attitude is generally if it’s not on television, it can’t matter much!
I cannot express how frustrating and horrific that is.
Can a good president and a progressive congress address this issue at all without stepping on first amendment rights?
Thanks dogstar7. As the story about the military analysts being prepped by the pentagon to appear on TV to help sell the invasion of Iraq and then the occupation shows, we’re not just being info-tained, we’re being fed false information. At the moment the problem with the Right is not that they are at war with progressives but that they are at war with facts, reality and truth. An that’s what I keep stressing in the book and we need to keep stressing at every opportunity. The progressive blogosphere has been great for example at keeping the pentagon military analyst story alive.
Arianna: Thank you for coming to FDL and discussing your book with us!
RE: your discussion of how press figures like Tim Russert are in the tank for the GOP, I want to mention that it’s not just the A-list pressers who are brownnosers for the powerful. I direct your attention to how the AP’s Patrick Conlon wrote a disgusting puff piece on local Minnesota paid Republican blogger and operative Michael Brodkorb and which got heavy play on CNN and even The Raw Story, a piece that left out key facts which Conlon had to have known about.
Arianna,
Did you actually get a personal message from Russert or through MSNBC, or just the generic hand?
Also, any chance tomorrow’s 1 hour interview with Obama will consist mainly of “gotcha” questions in order to extend this media-driven primary?
hate2haggle:
I know you didn’t ask me, but I can’t resist tossing in my 2 cents’ worth: to boycott a TV broadcast causes no perceptible ripple in the “Force”; we have to boycott the products of the SPONSORS of the TV broadcasts and make sure they know about it. If sponsors threaten to pull ads because of eroding viewership, THEN we will have created the ripple we were after.
The example of Cliff Shechter should make anyone with an interest in old-time honest journalism cringe. Can you imagine a real-life actual reporter getting a telephone call from a campaign official saying, “Don’t interview this guy about his book about our candidate or you’ll lose access!” An actual reporter’s adrenaline would be racing, s/he would beat a path to Cliff’s door.
But under the current paradigm, the calls are made and Cliff is shut out. That’s not journalism, that’s censorship. But when I hear young “journalists” talk about their idols Broder (master of balanced bipartisan worship and fan of Rove’s quail-wings) and Russert (for whom all conversations with the powerful are off-the-record unless he specifically goes on-the-record) I despair for the future of Traditional Media.
We simply must build new avenues, mechanisms, and media. Don’t you agree, Arianna, that TradMed is past reform?
Thanks RevDeb. I am wearing it as a badge of honor! I believe that what we’re doing online is the best countervailing force to the traditional media’s addiction to the Right’s conventional wisdom. With more and more people getting their news online and circulation dropping we can provide a platform to many more voices dedicated to ferreting out the truth.
Don’t you agree, Arianna, that TradMed is past reform?
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I certainly do. “Reform” these vertically integrated megacorporate infotainment money machines?
LOL! Right. I’ll just hold my breath.
Arianna, have you ever considered going beyond just print on HuffPo? What about an ‘evening’ news for progressives with some of your folks actually recording things live?
Completely agree, PeterK about the need to teach budding journalists. That’s why we launched Off The Bus on HuffPost, our citizen journalism project, and if you know anyone who’d like to be involved, please have them email Amanda Michel at amichel@huffingtonpost.com
Arianna, also I’d like to say to you that your demeanor and your air in msm interviews is just spectacular. I’m sure you already know this and likely hear it a lot, but I am just continually impressed with how sharp, responsive and quick you are with the hacks and you NEVER loose your composure, when I am throwing things at the TV. Goooood job!!! I’ll never know how you accomplish that.
It’s always great to see you in “real person” on Maher, and hear you cut loose as one cannot on any of the msm channels.
I just remain so impressed at your patience and professionalism while you still totally flush their nonsense down the big bowl!
Arianna, do you see a possibility of you (or other progressive bloggers) getting syndicated? Already people like you, Jane, and others are appearing as “talking heads” fairly often.
No personal message, just a corporate one!
sort of taking off of what Amy Goodman is doing?
It seems that we all need to be thinking way ahead in terms of how the media is changing. YouTube wasn’t much a few years ago and now it rules the toobz. What will the next generation of tools be and are we preparing for that? Younger folks are doing just about everything via cell phone now and it would seem that more and more mobile ways of communicating are going to be something to think about too.
just thinking. . .
Thank you Arianna and Glenn for this meet.
2 questions:
1. (as to the fringe extreme right) the above synopsis says the book talks about what was done by the right and how. Does it include thoughts on why?
2. “…desperately needed destruction of the Right, depends largely on whether the prescriptions set out in this book are followed or ignored.”
- what kinds of prescriptions? Is destruction of the right necessarily the goal, or might a moderation of their extremism be more realistic?
We’re going to be adding more and more video, especially around the conventions.
Cutting thru the spin should be a main focus. The internalization of establishment talking points by the leading “journalists” is destroying the discourse. Clinton has even fell victim to it these past couple months.
yes, podcasts and such …
Thank you so much. I’m doing Colbert on Thursday, so that should be fun!
A mainstream show featuring Rachel Maddow, Jane Hamsher and Arianna Huffington would be a great way to redress the media imbalance.
I’m tired of the brainless t.v. purveyed by Timmy and Tweety!
If there’s a liberal majority, there must be a lot of pent up demand for liberal programming.
The Tribune Media syndicates me, but there is still nothing like putting a post up and immediately getting comments from our amazing community!
You can have the best educated journalist who has been trained in investigative reporting, but if he/she works for a major media corporation, are they really going to let he/she spend the time, money and effort to dig up the story, which could lead to a dead-end? Don’t their bosses find it more cost-effective to have their person turn into a stenographer, getting it spoon-fed at press conferences?
In trying to make news organizations profit centers, don’t corporations make it nearly impossible for the investigative journalist to do his/her job?
- Tom
Thank you. It’s a horrible shame and testiment as to how fragile these egos are, and how the 4th estate sees itself.
Olbermann is a great voice for rationality, and I often wonder how much corporate politics he has to succumb to, and what his reaction is.
So Timmeh’s reach on NBC doesn’t extend to Comedy Central, which, I think, is part of their dominion?
I look forward to seeing it. And hope C&L is getting their recorder ready too.
omg
when worlds collide
I’d pay a premium to see that (especially if you interviewed Ann Coulter every week!)
Thanks, will do!
Comedy Central is Viacom/CBS
Comedy Central is owned by Viacom I believe.
Arianna — thanks so much for coming to FDL today for book salon, and for writing this informative book in such an engaging and witty style. Kudos to you — it’s both a hoot and infuriating at the same time.
I was particularly taken with the Petraeus Ex Machina (Chapter 8)portion where you talk about the manipulation of language to make things appear rose colored in the telling. The Orwellian parallels are often overwhelming in some of the Bush Administration’s PR, but the reportage on Iraq — especially now that we know about all the sordid Pentagon planted spokesmodels — is especially appalling. The lack of media coverage on this and on so many other things the last few years has truly been shameful — so a big thank you for shining such a spotlight on this in your book.
And Glenn, thanks for the great intro — so sad and yet so true.
Oops.
Mojito to Teddy.
Ariana,
The summary of your salient points up top is the main reason I can not stand to listen to L, R & C any longer.
The radical right views are easy enough to dismiss, and some of the extreme left likewise. But the ‘middle’ is intolerable. It seems the centrist path is determined by taking the worst of both extremes while ignoring the relevance of either extreme.
Thank you for all you do.
Until the rise of the blogisphere I was honestly in fear for my sanity. No joke!
The seamless fabric of mass media lies and distortions had me truly disoriented. I felt marginalized and frankly delusional. How could I be so out of step if everyone around me simply accepted what I perceived as propaganda.
Both firedoglake and Huffington Post have been better than anti-depressants and group therapy in helping me intigrate the world around me once more.
As soon as the corporate media can get its hands on the internet it will crush independent voices, just like it did with print, radio, and tv … they just haven’t figured out how to monopolize it yet…except thru access … murdock has to buy out AT&T or Cox now …
My goal for the book was to show how and why the Right was able to set the agenda and hijack the debate even though the center of American politics has shifted. And a lot of positions that used to be seen as “left-wing” are now mainstream with 60-70% of Americans wanting the troops home, some form of universal health care, something to be done about global warming, etc, etc. And before McCain was nominated, it looked as though we were poised to turn a new page, but McCain is the Trojan Horse the Right desperately needed to put a faux maverick, faux independent, faux straight-talker imprint on the same ruinous policies that have taken us down this dark road.
Ah, thanks. Don’t know why I thought they had an NBC link . .
Glenn, though all of your writing is marvelous, I want to say here that the “thing” with John King was riotous! I wonder if you ever heard back from him. I imagine he crawled back into the woodwork and stayed put!
That was classic and priceless!!!!
Arianna;Don’t let Colbert give you a hard time remember Fonda showed how to shut him up.
No, Comedy Central is part of Viacom, NBC part of GE. So Colbert is safe!
THAT I fear. It happens and we are so screwed.
Arianna and Glenn,
Are you planning to come to Netroots Nation this summer? Do you think that these kinds of events will help build us up or are we wasting our time and money doing them?
And Joe Klein, too. Have you seen his Wikipedia page?
Thanks Christy, and thank you for reading the book. The manipulation of language is, I agree, one of the most effective tools the Right has used to continue to confuse the public and cow the democratic leaders. And that’s why we need to keep exposing it again and again.
Ariana, why is it that so many folks continue to agree with the progressive agenda but wind up voting against it and their interests? Do you think we’re at a turning point where the republicans will be unable to label anything against their interests as unpatriotic and part of the war on christmas?
Nice catch on the way the media look at balance—
Well the goopers just said that there are three foot long parasites in the drinking water- dems say that there are no parasites- so do I report 18 inch parasites? Or do I just report that dems say A and goopers say B—or should I report:
“Goopers say that there are 3 foot long parasites in the drinking water but there is not a shred of evidence that this is true”
Of course it’s that last part that the reporters can’t say—why? Cause it’s opinion? No- it’s NOT opinion- it’s a matter of fact—reporters should report facts. More likely cause they don’t wanna piss anyone off- so the just relate the lie and MAY say “dems say differently”.
Yes, I’m definitely coming to Netroots Nation. It’s great to spend time in person with people you normally only see online.
So why doesn’t the left manipulate language in its own benefit. Lefties get even the simple stuff wrong, like whoever heard of S-CHIP? Why not Healthy Kids Initiative?
noooooooo
i gotta see that!
thanks hate2haggle!
will do after this event.
I think that lots of people DO vote their own interest- but dems don’t give em anything that appears to BE in their interest.
I went to Yearly Kos the last few years – and I know Arianna went last year – but I’m not going to Netroots Nation this year. I was supposed to be on what I thought was the best panel yet that I’ve been on anywhere – it was one to discuss Bush lawbreaking and what should be done about it in the next administration.
The panel was going to have John Dean, Daniel Ellsburg and Elizabeth Holtzman — 3 of the most significant figures of the Watergate era. Ellsburg in particular is one of the greatest American political heroes of the last three decades, in my view. It was to be moderated by Majorie Cohn, who wrote a great book detailing Bush crimes.
But the Conference rejected the panel. I really don’t understand why. That would be a panel I’d travel to hear — let alone one that I would think Netroots Nation would want to have. Since the reason I was going was to participate on that panel, now I’m not.
But I better not say any more or else Jane will yell at me for being off-topic.
I was watching a clip from a discussion on the need for better federal judges the other day, and one of the participants said something which was so true: at this time in our nation, what we need are people with integrity and courage on the bench, and the fortitude to stand up for the rule of law and for justice. The same is true for elected officials and for members of the media who ought to uphold the standards of the Edward R. Murrows of their profession. That we see so little of that — and that when we do, it is so notable and startling — is reflected in your closing.
There are a lot of decent, honorable people who work in and out of government. What we need is more of them — more of us — stepping up to lead.
Arianna,
As you have pointed out, broadcast news outlets have yet to even acknowledge the story of the Pentagon propaganda machine and their psychological operations against the American People.
You have called for Congressional hearings on this issue. Have there been any support from progressives in Congress? What civil or criminal statutes are in question?
Mr. Greenwald,
The newest FISA fight info is predictably absent from the MSM. Any idea what the timeline for this travesty is and the chances of House passage? The advertising campaign looks to really be raking in impressive funds, but will this be a quick and silent legislative strike by these s.o.b.’s?
I really think, Dakinikat, that the key here is the way the Right has succeeded at using fear to appeal to voters’ lizard brains and silence their rational brains where their interests lie. That’s why I argue in the book that every election after 9/11 will ultimately come down to national security no matter how bad the economy gets, and that’s why we need to keep stressing that our continuing presence in Iraq is making us less safe.
Yes! It’s time for all of us to look at the leader in the mirror and tap into our own leadership potential rather than wait for a knight on a white charger to save us.
REALLY sad to hear that. Yes, that would be a motivator for most of us here just as the Plame Panel was what got me to sign up. What were they thinking!?!?!?!?
These are just the kinds of things that we can do well to counter the MSM and have a real effect on what is happening to our country. These are the things that both of you write about and what gets the most energy at FDL. It is not off topic if our own folks can’t see the forest for the trees.
Ditto, dogstar7! I also feel much better (and believe me, I don’t confuse that with things actually being better).
But isn’t there more here? What I mean is that I think that we are seeing the growth of new type of journalism, with a tremendous potential for growth. The more out-of-touch the MSM gets, and the more that people turn to the blogs, the better off we are, and the more likely that they will morph into something bigger and more widely followed.
a million tearz for that cancellation!
why, OH WHY?????!
Certainly the left could do a better job at persuasion and marketing our ideas. However, please don’t confuse this with manipulation. Manipulation is about distorting a person’s perception of reality away from the truth.
We can use good, truthful marketing frames without using falsehoods.
- Tom
Dang…. missed you last year because of your broken foot….. this year I will be sitting on a beach in Crete….
The idea of what is Truth…. that there doesn’t seem to be any truth anymore… the Rights view is that they have a fixed world view and change the facts to support that world view….. That facts are optional…. how do we change that meme?
and yasou again…
oh Im sooooooo late,big fan of Glenn,and Arianna
Aloha, Arianna and Glenn! I think the MSM problem extends well beyond McInsane too! Today we fired 5 missiles at a shack adjacent to the main hospital in Sadr City, it seriously damaged the hospital and many ambulances, along with human casualties. Now, I’ve searched for any references in our American MSM, nada! However, Reuters and AFP had some excellent articles on the tragic incident… Do you think it’s a concerted effort to ignore the true facts on the ground in Iraq…?
Rule,by fear time honored since the Roman Empire
Welcome sadly.
I set 2 alarms and ACTUALLY DRESSED for this event.
lol
Disagree. The left is unable to pursuade & market its ideas out of a wet paper bag. The only reason why people vote D is because the Rs are so atrocious.
We must draw attention to the malfeasance in government, and those who enable it for profit and ideological kinship by any means available.
Thank you, Ms. Huffington. I’m finding your book a most provocative read.
oh lets see…5 missles = about 7,000,0000 american taxpayer dollars…ah the military industrial congressional media complex is very profitable…alas
It seems like the Democrats want to avoid the issue of holding BushCo accountable completely. As if it would hurt our chances in the fall.
There’s be almost no questioning of criminal charges by a new administration, so seems like it’s being deliberately muted.
Rule of law be damned.
I’m not saying the Dems are doing it or are good at it. I’m saying it’s available in our bag of tools if we choose to use it.
- Tom
Wow am I gonna have to nag the host to stay on topic?
I wish I could say it was a first — but it isn’t.
Amazon’s delivering my copy on Monday … I’m going to read it while I give finals…
I already anticipatorily nagged myself.
don’t blame Glenn, he was just answering a question. Don’t like the answer though. Anything we can do to change that?
Big Brown wins Ky Derby — I leave the metaphors to you.
Arianna, so good to see you at the lake. Back to Russet’s power-wielding. He seems to only respond to chastising from his buddy Don Imus “oh, I getcha…” in response to Imus nagging himn about the gotchas.
Filly collapses on the track.
Yasou katymine! Absolutely, it’s now progressives who are standing up for the Truth. Refusing to accept that there is such a thing as truth, and refusing to report facts and reality — undiluted by an “on the other hand”mixer — isn’t a sign of objectivity, it’s a sign of intellectual laziness and journalistic muddled thinking.
RIGHT! a bazillion emails to the powers that be COULD be arranged!
Did Arianna discuss Charles obtuse Gibson?
“…how and why the Right was able to set the agenda and hijack the debate…”
Sounds to me like the right’s authoritarianism, is the goal, the medium, and the message, all at once.
Okay – I’m wrong, again.
Sorreeeee.
Thank you so much darkblack. This is my 12th book, but the joy of hearing from someone, that they are reading and getting something out of a book I just wrote, remains undiminished!
I was doing my Arianna impression — Daahhling — for Glenn on Skype when he was having trouble logging in.
He was appropriately irritated.
Okay I’ll go back on topic now.
The Huffington-Hamsher-darkblack nexus: tingling with troublemakers
Arianna, I’m one who urges other commenters to take advantage of the contact us buttons at places like Meet The Press. Do you think that’s effective? Or what can we do better?
Bob Herbert’s great column this morning was on point. How do we spread more synergy, so that these various positive moments are maximized?
hope this is correct Arianna
σας αγαπώ
my very first boyfriend was Greek,love it there
Great to see your pseudonym and read your always insightful comments.
There’s definitely been an attempt to continue to pretend that “the surge is working.” And facts like today’s story about US fired missiles wounding more than 20 Iraqis gets in the way of the myth of the surge working. On HuffPost we have a war wire and also immediately move stories like that to the top of the homepage.
I dressed for this event too, black sweatpants and a white t-shirt. What are you wearing?
Arianna said:
I think it’s done by design. It’s used by “Fair and Balanced” Fox News to invite doubt in their viewers where none should exist. It’s how they introduce false ideas into a discussion in order to manipulate their audience and serve their agenda. Insidious tactic really.
We distort, you comply.
- Tom
John Kerry and Carl Levin have both called for investigations into the
Pentagon Propaganda program revealed by the New York Times. Sen. Levin asked Defense Secretary Gates to investigate the matter, but Sen.
Kerry went further and has asked the Government Accountability Office
to determine whether anything illegal had taken place.
im wearing perfume…Chanel 19
As the host here, I’m going to have to ask that participants refrain from this type of chat. This is a family blog.
In fairness I should admit here, this came up as a main point with Moyers and one of his guests last night; that the medium and the message are often one and the same.
Always a dangerous question to ask online. *g* (Of course, I sometimes end up blogging in a feather boa and tiara when I’m simultaneously having “tea” with my five-year-old and her favorite stuffed giraffe, Gerald, so who am I to talk…)
I’m still in the basement in my pj’s eating cheetos….lol
what, no Derby Day hat?
Bill Moyers is a treasure, and I so wish that he would be more widely broadcast. But, of course, that would require most of the other “news” folks recognizing what he is doing has so much value. And what they are doing is, sadly, lacking…which is to say, it’s not likely.
Dana Perino stated that it’s not illegal to plant propaganda into the medi, so we’ll take her word for it, like the media does.
i love you toooooo”g”
i’m a HUGE AND DAILY fan Arianna, but I don’t get into that “what are you wearing” thing on the internet.
I brought up the debate and the flag pin question when he interviewed me on GMA. Here’s the link.
Arianna, are we about to re-enter the Willie Horton season with Rev Wright’s videos plastered onto every democrat running for office? Why does the press continually re-run this conversation and ignore, say, the resurgence of the Taliban?
Ya’ll do an awesome job at Huffpo! Please keep up the great work! The Grey Lady has just picked up the story and the LA times, so hopefully some light will be shone on our horrific acts…!
Jane’s impression of me is even better than Tracey Ullman’s.
Are ya wearing boxers or briefs, Glenn? ;-)
Marshall Mcluan…60’s dude who already understood it.
The media IS the message.
And, it’s hot here in LA, so I’m wearing a wife-beater and shorts.
It’s a term. Don’t go off on me. Please?
Yes, I think everything helps, but it doesn’t look as though we’re achieving something until we reach the tipping point. Without all these small efforts from each one of us, it would take much longer to reach the tipping point.
how can you make somebody realize the seriouness of our societal situation,if your 8 million dollar paycheck demands you dont
‘Just some concerned citizens like yourself’, Teddy. I suspect Ms. Hamsher and Ms. Huffington have far more real-world clout than your humble correspondent.
;>)
And thank you for your kind words, Boo. Ultimately, change occurs from a confluence of awareness and desire, and I hope that this book, along with the works of Mr. Greenwald, will further that confluence into areas where awareness of the issues is not as focused as here at FDL and the Huffington Post.
Arianna,
Charlie Rose seemed to balk a little at your positions about the Right infiltrating the MSM. Did I read that right, or was he just being tough?
Great to see you “at (this) table”, btw.
OKAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
now I’m refreshing every 3 seconds!
WAITING for THIS one!
Arianna,
In regards the hijacking of news and information:
The other day I was blown away by a 3D graphic recreation of a WWII naval battle on a well known cable channel.
Yet, Americans are totally ignorant of combat operation in Iraq and Afghanistan. I regularly challenge war supporters to name 3 American combat units and where they are deployed in-country.
As you have pointed out; The press was once “embedded” with the military. Now the military is embedded in the press.
With tools like Google Earth and soldiers blogging from the front, how is it that we are so ignorant and, frankly disinterested in the daily prosecution of this war?
Yes, it’s correct. My first boyfriend was Greek too…
Arianna,
In regards the hijacking of news and information:
The other day I was blown away by a 3D graphic recreation of a WWII naval battle on a well known cable channel.
Yet, Americans are totally ignorant of combat operation in Iraq and Afghanistan. I regularly challenge war supporters to name 3 American combat units and where they are deployed in-country.
As you have pointed out; The press was once “embedded” with the military. Now the military is embedded in the press.
With tools like Google Earth and soldiers blogging from the front, how is it that we are so ignorant, and frankly disinterested, in the daily prosecution of this war?
imo, part of the problem is the disconnect between our “leaders” and the rest of us. we have NOT been very successful in persuading even our own congressional leaders to represent us.
arianna (and glenn) – what do you think are the biggest institutional barriers to genuine representation?
p.s. this isn’t defeatism glenn – i’m fired up for the fight, just trying to acknowledge what we’re up against.
well nuff said….teh fantastique
I don’t get Ullman’s joke about that.
But if you think it’s funny it’s all good.
Yes, I think many in the MSM have a hard time seeing how they have internalized the Right’s messaging and talking points, which is why the media continue to look to those most discredited on the war for answers to the question: “How do we get out of this mess?”
ah! i can’t remember WHO it was on Maher’s show, did a GREAT impression of Arianna:
“Bllaaaahg for me, dahhhling, for nothing!”
was hysterical.
Actually, there are no “left” politicians anymore. The Ds are all in the pockets of crony capitalists. Which is why they don’t bother to craft language carefully. They don’t have to do that to get paid off.
Don’t blame the victims, though. We’re trying to elect more & better Ds. It took the Rs 30 or 40 years from the ground up. We’re just at the beginning.
Your interview with Charlie Gibson was the best example of this and your media thesis generally.
He kept saying that extreme liberals control the Democrats in Congress just like that extreme Right controls the GOP – I’d love to know who the extreme liberals are controlling the Democrats. But that’s the “balance” fetish they have — if the GOP is controlled by extremists, then they have to say that the Democrats are, too — regardless of whether it’s true.
And then, of course, he told you it’s “not true” that McCain wants endless war in Iraq. How is that not true? What end does McCain envision and when? None and never. But he sees his responsibility to defend McCain.
Just need to say this:
Arianna and Jane are the goddesses of the blogisphere!
Pin-up Girls for Progressives! Wooo hooo!
I believe you are right.
My sister used to work for NBC.
I talked to a lot of her peers and they had a totally different agenda…than what I thought. Not very much questioning the current paradigm, just re-writing the word du jour.
I actually think one of the biggest barriers to changing representation is not having instant run-off voting, which would allow more courageous voices a better chance at getting elected.
Heh, silly me, I always thought Arianna did a great impression of Zsa Zsa…! ;-)
right, but WE have the net. and the NetRoots movement. and ya know how fast time flies on the puter!
we will NOT take that long, which is good, cause WE do not HAVE that kind of time here!
ABC Nightly News reporting now on the bombing of Sadr City, talking to family whose son was killed. I take this kind of reporting as finally, by wee little steps, the media is starting to pull back a bit, for whatever reason–progressive demand for honesty, shame at their own culpability, matters not. Are we, who are now used to learning this information in real time, expecting too much of the media? How can we thank them for stepping up to the plate with truth…beyond just using that contact us button.
Arianna,
I’m concerned that millions of voters will be denied their right to vote through a multi-pronged Republican War on Voters:
* New state-issued photo ID laws:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5934
* massive voter roll purges/voter suppression, courtesy of our Department of JustUs:
http://www.prospect.org/cs/art….._on_voting
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5063
* easily-hackable electronic voting machines:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5935
* election fraud
http://markcrispinmiller.blogs…..ls-02.html
What do you think can be done to make sure Americans who think they’re registered to vote, still are? They could get purged from the voter roll, say in September ’08, and not know it. Could Huffington Post create an area on the site to make it easy for any voter around the country to make sure they haven’t been purged, are still registered and can vote on election day?
Thanks,
- Tom
George Stephpooopalot,surely jumped the shark,as Charlie Gibson
that would be HEAVEN!!!! just popping in to welcome glenn and arianna to the lake…. and to say thanks loads for HP and glenn’s blog which i read daily and HP is my home page…. gotta run but i had to welcome you both!!
Joe Lieberman.
;>)
Yes! I’m amazed by how so many in the media bend over backwards to defend McCain. Remember what Kristof wrote:
In Kristof’s through the-looking-glass world, it’s apparently a higher order of pandering if you start with deeply held core convictions that you trash in the name of political expediency while feeling really bad about it.
They might be reporting this because it’s Saturday and Derby Day and they know not many are watching the news.
Sad. But there you have it.
instant run-off voting would be great.
Well said, Glenn! You describe the ugly reaility so beautifully!
So does Olbermann stand out against this theme, or am I blinded by seeing my own feelings represented. Is he (along with Moyers and Rose) the closest we get to fair by ignoring the pantamime of balance?
Today’s MSM represents concentrated capital and investments in government regulated radio and television stations. You cannot expect them to publish anything the administration does not want published. I do not see the MSM doing anything approaching serious journalism in the near or far future. We need alternatives to uncover news not just link to progressive opinions.
hahahahahahahaha,
I hope you’re right, but I fear you are underestimating the opponents, who control all the economic power. There’s that little thing called net neutrality (another tone deaf term of the left), gone in a puff of smoke if all else fails.
If voting mattered, they wouldn’t let us do it.
Thanks, Juslin. We should do this again soon. Maybe Glenn can come to HuffPo for round two discussing his book.
love moyers – rose, otoh, not so much.
I’m sure Kristof feels remorse every time he cashes his Wingnut Welfare check at the bank…!
thanks for that quote,i use it all the time,and Stalins,(who counts the votes)
For a good laugh, try this from the May 2008 issue of Atlantic Monthly, wherein McCain is styled as the second coming of Edmund Burke. Hilarious, if it weren’t being presented as a post hoc rationalization for every last policy flip flop…
ALL of them…great cottage industry
I don’t underestimate their intent, but I think they are too incompetent to pull that off in entirety.
I don’t think that the reich wing machine is going to be all that powerful this time around. I can’t defend that, just a feeling.
That would be great, Arianna. As we’ve discussed briefly, our books are complementary.
And I really think having a few panels once the Democratic nominee is chosen — when everyone is ready to focus on this country’s real enemy: the two-headed Right/media monster — would be superb.
This is critical. McCain’s rhetoric has increasingly morphed into Bush’s Messianic fantasy and destiny to fight the “War on Terruh”.
Sounds familar. A straight talking maverick everyman against a elitist liberal/America Hater/possible terrorist. The media just goes right along with it. Same script, different year.
Thank you Arianna for taking the time to chat with us today.
- Tom
Amen to that one. Even if we manage to take back the White House, the media will suddenly find religion and repent just in time to hammer a Democratic president daily with insipid tangents rather than real policy questions. So this needs to be addressed now — not later. Could not agree more.
I came across the origin of it about a month ago. The sign on the Charles River in Cambridge was actually a quote of someone who said it earlier. But now, of course, I’ve forgotten who said it first. Maybe Keynes? Doesn’t seem right, but someone famous I think.
You know, Arianna, I think we need to watch how IRV works before we implement it nationwide. We have IRV here in San Francisco for our municipal offices, and it’s produced at least one odd result: Ed Jew, one of the first supervisors elected under the IRV system, resigned after being indicted federally and locally for bribe-taking and living out-of-jurisdiction. He was a little-known campaign volunteer in the Outer Sunset who managed to get himself elected against two much better known candidates due to IRV. I think fans of the two leading candidates put his name down second, leading him to garner the most second-choices, and thus a victory as the other two were eliminated.
I was also a big fan of IRV, but seeing it implemented here in SF makes me wonder if we should allow a few other areas to try it locally before we go full bore with IRV in congressional and national races. It could produce equally odd results.
ymmv
Tom Brokaw,once announced he was attending the Bilderberg group meeting,how many of our key journalists are connected to that VERY powerful group…if anybody knows
McCain’s comment on Friday about sending our young men and women to the Middle East for oil could be a game changer if we all stay on it and don’t allow the MSM to just ignore it.
i agree – but look at how npr has been co-opted by the corporate borg. so long as the financing is corporate, i think don’t see how alternatives can long survive.
pacifica (and democracy now!) has avoided this fate by depending on donor financing.
but we did a lousy job of supporting the blogs when their funding was donor based, and now they are all going to the corporate advertising model. this has me worried.
Youtubes our friend!
Yes, let’s pick a date soon, and I love the image of the two headed Right/media monster.
Thank you Ms. Huffington for your work. Thank you Mr. Greenwald for hosting and for you body of work as well; all very important stuff.
I am looking forward to reading this and tell me if I am wrong in thinking that it is a continuation–or at least a companion to–John Dean’s Conservatives Without Conscience . The authoritarian concepts Dean explores could also not have occurred without the complicit media.
And, please forgive the vulgarity, but I will always persist in the opinion that Tim Russert is Still Dick Cheney’s bitch!
i like that other one..Afflict the comfortable,and Comfort the afflicted
Arianna, how? HOW do we DO that? I’ve done everything I can think of to not allow the MSM to ignore something, and I just don’t know what else to do! If you have a solution to that, I WILL do it!
A beautiful piece about Jazz and New Orleans…beauty and generosity.
You and Arianna are phenomenal beacons of hope and true founts of inspiration…! Mahalo for all your endeavors and it truly was a treat to have you both here at the Lake! *g*
Second amen. But how to do it? Can FDL and the blogosphere take the lead in this, starting now?
Seconded…talk about FEARLESS…bravo
Sworn testimony from the Vice President’s office in a federal court:
Thanks Glenn, thanks Arianna — this has been swell.
What really annoys me is when far right politicians like McCain or Joe Lieberman are identified as “moderates” simply because they occasionally support centrist policies. Both of these men support some of the most extreme policies of an extremist administration. Calling John McCain a moderate Republican is like calling Jeffrey Dahmer a moderate cannibal. After all, Dahmer didn’t eat a serving of people at every meal. He only ate other humans every now and then.
Apparently lots of people have said something similar. Here’s one from Emma Goldman:
I rarely comment here but had to for Arianna & Glenn. Thanks to both of you for taking the time to “talk” to us.
I look forward to reading both books.
Glenn if I had a teevee show you would be on it everyday.
Let’s keep writing and speaking about it, and bringing it up wherever we can. I know it’s frustrating but nothing good has ever happened easily.
Pressure on the sponsors…
just like he is a straight talker,or maverick….right
One good place to start is a letter to the editor pointing out that McCain is saying that the war in Iraq is because of oil, not the other excuses that have been given.
It would be nice to be able to read a discussion between the two of you about issues that arise from the sum of your books – This is nice but the 10 or so comments that you are able to make between the ‘other’ comments is less than that this situation warrents, imo.
Thanks for all you have done Arriana
Indeed.
;>)
Disney …who wants us from cradle to grave
Arianna and Glenn, thank you very much for spending the afternoon with us here at the Lake.
Thank you Both! Take Care.
Thank you for such a great discussion! I look forward to my summer reading!
We’ve been doing a lot of it all along — remember the AP pushback that we did weeks ago? It’s a constant process, and one that we are always trying to re-work and refine. But we do a lot of media critique, as does Glenn and Arianna, obviously. There needs to be more of it, though, because the problems are getting worse the further along we get in the horse race…
Thank you Jane. Thank you Glenn. And thank you everyone for coming to the book salon and for fighting the good fight.
Thank you Glenn and Arianna. And please return! It is very encouraging to see you both here at the Lake. It’s akin to getting to “talk” to our Leaders/Heros.
Please come back.
:)
Ian has a nice new post up about The Will To Be Well Lead!
I DO that, with ALL the cable and local networks. Emails and snail mail.
Thank you!
Failure is NOT an Option
Thank you, siri! I bet you’re having much more of an effect than you realize. Keep it up.
Amen, Arianna! I try to shed my feeble light on this Maladminstation’s actions in Iraq daily too!
RIght, of course you do. Didn’t mean to sound critical. More like trying to get more people to help out with it.
Roger THAT, Peter!
:)
Great book — buy it if you haven’t yet!
And buy Glenn’s book too, then you’ll get the free shipping!
Does McBush get donations from the sponsors of the MSM?
Agreed! Repeat it often and loudly!
The age of brain dead, self-defeating right wing politics is coming to its well deserved conclusion. America has always been a centrist, yet progressive nation. Despite the best efforts of big media, blabbermouth pundits and out and out fools like Bill Kristol, Bill Buckley and George Will, nobody is buying the nonsense that this is a “conservative” country anymore. All of the opinion polls have shown for years that at least 70% of the public has a generally progressive perspective on all of the major issues. The only tent pole still propping up the fiction that this country is any different that Great Britain, Canada, Western Europe and the vast majority of other industrialized nations when it comes to the body politic is the overblown influence that religion has on our media, elected officials and public policies. Minimize that and you’ve suddenly got a U.S. that can sit proudly at the table of civilized nations again.
What’s your take on this?
Nancy Pelosi’s most notable achievement has been to take impeachment off the table. Two years later, and Bush has been allowed to continue virtually unobstructed. The Bushit clock will have run out soon, and we can start marking Democratic-Friedman units (at least, 180 coalition and 10 thousand Iraqi deaths per unit).
Harry Reid ignominiously cowered when faced by the neocons with regard to FISA immunity and even blocked Democratic movements. It’s not resolved yet, but it looks to me as if he has passed the baton (or something tube-like) to Steny. If that doesn’t work, there are several other ways for it to slide through.
Postscript: Obama is afraid to debate!
Thanks
Welcome Arianna:
Re: Rev. Wright:
The Line we should be taking is: When blacks are liberated in the full and real meaning of that word, there will no longer be a need for ” Black Liberation Theology”.
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