Did you know that Rummy had absolutely no idea that all of the Army's reconstruction expertise was redeployed out of Iraq right after Mission Accomplished? It's true!
Well, sort of. In his new memoir, General Ricardo Sanchez recounts his surreal 2006 exit interview, in which Rummy shares a memo:
In the memo, Rumsfeld stated that one of the biggest strategic mistakes of the war was ordering the major redeployment of forces and allowing the departure of the CENTCOM and CFLCC staffs in May/June 2003.
"This left General Sanchez in charge of operations in Iraq with a staff that had been focused at the operational and tactical level, but was not trained to operate at the strategic/operational level." He went on to write that neither he nor anyone higher in the Administration knew these orders had been issued, and that he was dumbfounded when he learned that... the forces would be drawn down to a level of about 30,000 by September....
(...)
"Mr. Secretary, when V Corps ramped up for the war, our entire focus was at the tactical level. The staff had neither the experience nor training to operate at the strategic level, much less as a joint/combined headquarters. All of CFLCC's generals, whom we called the Dream Team, left the country in a mass exodus. The transfer of authority was totally inadequate, because CENTCOM's focus was only on departing the theater and handing off the mission. There was no focus on postconflict operations. None! In their minds, the war was over and they were leaving. Everybody was executing these orders, and the services knew all about it.
..."Sir, I cannot believe that you didn't know I was being left in charge in Iraq."
"No! No!" he replied. "I was never told that the plan was for V Corps to assume the entire mission. I have to issue orders and approve force deployments into the theater, and they moved all these troops around without any orders or notification from me."
"Sir, I don't ... "
"Why didn't you tell anyone about this?" he asked, interrupting me in an angry tone.
Better yet was the outcome of the inquiry Rummy commissioned (and then buried) to look into how such an enormous move could have been made without his knowledge [eye roll]:
...When I was on the ground in Iraq and saw what was going on, I assumed they had done zero Phase IV ["after combat action"] planning.... In fact, CENTCOM had originally called for twelve to eighteen months of Phase IV activity with active troop deployments. But then CENTCOM had completely walked away by simply stating that the war was over and Phase IV was not their job.
That decision set up the United States for a failed first year in Iraq.... And I was supposed to believe that neither the Secretary of Defense nor anybody above him knew anything about it? Impossible! Rumsfeld knew about it. Everybody on the NSC knew about it, including Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, and Colin Powell. Vice President Cheney knew about it. And President Bush knew about it.
Sanchez does not speculate as to the why, and I have difficulty imagining what kind of upside BushCo. saw in proactively courting failure. Maybe they figured that if Iraq stabilized too quickly, Dubya wouldn't be able to run as a Heroic War President in 2004? Not that there was ever any chance of that happening.
I am also struck by the unreality of Rummy's steadfast denials that he had any idea what was going on, as if claiming to be completely detached and out-of-the-loop is some kind of brilliant defense. It's reminiscent of AG2's claims that he didn't know about the US Attorney firings, or Dubya's claims that he didn't know about the October '07 Iran NIE or how the Iraqi Army was disbanded ("Again, Hadley's got notes on all of this stuff").
I guess incompetence is an excuse.
(Note: Sanchez is not exactly a good guy, so it's probably best to take this all with a grain of salt. I don't doubt that the Bushies deliberately blew off the post-invasion, though.)
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Ignorance about what was going on under his command [maybe–but I doubt it], incompetence, and downright criminality. Does that about cover the range of choices?
They assumed the CPA and Bremer were ready to go…!
Yeah, I think so. Although I think ignorance and incompetence are pretty much synonymous here.
his command…hmmmm. Rummy? Bushie? Chee-knee? All of the above? Yeah, that works.
With the help of the Iraqi army!
“Rumsfeld is crazy, and Cheney is evil”
—someone in a position to know.
I kinda think most of them are both, actually…
words once again fail me
Is it incompetence, or was it intentional?
A bunch of old white men playing at being Napoleon and von Clausewitz.
why not both? They are not mutually exclusive.
Kinda o/t, but then the endless campaign never is, but we should definitely keep track of the vidclip of McCain and Bushie and the birthday cake…while NOLA drowned. BushCo-McCain BFsF
Everyone in this administration sounds like a 5 year old saying “I didn’t break the lamp, Billy did it.” I am so sick of nobody taking any responsibility for anything.
It’s very clearly intentional, but they seem to think that saying they’re totally clueless and not in control is somehow better.
Heh, Not when Bremer ordered them to go home, with their arms, and then De-ba’athicized the Govt…! Smooth move, exlax…! ;-)
I think a few bad apples must have redeployed CENTCOM without Rummy’s knowledge…
I think I can’t stand anymore. Someone knowingly reran the Cheney, Rummy, Wolfo team and Powell joined up. G’night
“We’re getting the band back together…”
the general straight up calls runsfeld a liar to his face and never buys the claims rummy makes for a second
now to bed for real, man I try but I can’t quit this place
He’ll still burn in hell, but that was pretty awesome.
And to think Rummy also knew where the wmd were! Yeah, yeah, he said they were north, south, east or west of Baghdad!
Another asshat.
These guys should be spending their retirement years at Guantanamo, I swear! Afterall, Rummy said he could stand up … he should stand up and pay for all the lives he’s cost …
Doesn’t Rummy still have an office that he works out of at the Pentagon? Why, yes he does. And he has 6 employees working under him too.
“I do all my work while being waterboarded - I don’t see what the big deal is.”
My take on this is that the General and Rummy both are trying to escape the consequences of their mutual involvement in the clusterf**k by muddling up the record after the fact. But it WAS a clusterf**k. Each, and others, played their respective roles. Rummy kept saying…”Why didn’t YOU tell me…tell me…tell ME” when Sanchez wouldn’t place his imprimatur on some post hoc doc that contradicted the earlier record. But the question can also be asked…”Why didn’t Sanchez, and other Generals, point this CENTCOM withdrawal out to Congress?”
I quit banging my head… the outbursts of swearing….. the throwing of nerf balls …… and trying to catch up on events while out of town…. OMG a soldier on his 7th tour in Iraq & Afghanistan was killed…. 7 freeking tours!
Soldier on his seventh tour dies in Afghanistan
Nobody asked?
No wonder Dubya is lower the Tricky Dick at the height of Watergate! Just when I thought I couldn’t get MORE cynical about Republican rule.
Can you imagine the mental damage that is occuring to all those folks? We’re going to have to have to turn the entire VA hospital system into psych wards pretty soon … maybe that’s dubya’s plan to boost the economy … increase government spending on pharmaceuticals and psychiatrists?
So … Eli:
Now Sanchez is certainly complicit in some unsavory activity, though, no doubt, strictly followin’ ‘Orders’ …
And I would hardly call him a stellar example of military courage, but the question for me, all along has been this, ‘Is the TOP BRASS stupid or can some of them actually think?
I’m not certain that an answer is yet fully evident, but Sanchez appears to be at least capable of realizing when he’s been had …
The further question his conversation with Rumsfeld raises is this; if the general feels this sense of betrayal, how must the troops and those families who have lost loved ones feel …?
At some point, the belief that it all has not been in vain must be very difficult to sustain.
No, it isn’t, but it seems to be a reason.
Off topic a bit. It’s about a warmonger, so it’s not too far from the post content.
Love this…
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/.....h-library/
Bah hahahahahaha!
Okay, going to bed. Nite nite everyone. ;-)
George Bush would say that it’s ‘uniquely American’ to be spending months in a war zone and 5 seconds with your family during the breaks. Hell, he thought working 3 jobs was an American thing too!
Spit. I detest that man with all my heart.
Yes, it appears that Sanchez is amoral, but not stupid.
I can’t even imagine how the troops and their families must feel - at least the ones who aren’t in denial.
Malfeasance disguised as nonfeasance. Criminality disguised as negligence.
What this does is explain the high suicide rate in the military….. it is a groundhog day movie played over and over ….. Russian Roulette that never stops….. no matter how many tours they survive….. there is another just around the bend
Question:
does anyone think that someone will pay for this mess besides our fine men and women in the military?
No, you don’t understand. The plan is that they are not going to treat them. Only a few, including the politically well connected, will get all the mental health treatment they need and deserve. This train wreck is coming.
Excerpt:
Yeah, we HAVE to have Rove in on this if we want a straight story. What a load of pigshit.
Karl Rove has a wealth of experience at putting lipstick on the Dubya pig.
I just remember collegues who did time in Vietnam diving under conference tables everytime the trafic helicopters came close to the office tower … I can’t imagine how this is all going to manifest
OT: if you want to watch something kind of fun and silly, check out The Empire Strikes Barack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8lvc-azCXY
- Tom
My friend’s niece graduated from Westpoint a few years ago … they’re all quiting because of the types of folks showing up under their command … I guess those lax recruiting standards are taking toles on a lot of them. Plus, she’s being heavily recruited by Halliburton for tons of money.
Why would Rumsfeld not be in the loop for Iraki
DeconstructionReconstruction? It is a mystery. Fortunately, James O’Beirne was able to rebuild Irak as a Neo-conservative Shining City On A Hill. James is married to Kate O’Beirne. Mods, forgive me, but she is a Dangerous Bitch.There will a an administration sh*t storm over Sanchez. It does show the incompetency of the lot of them.
I’m betting that they will use Abu Ghraib to attack his credibility. It’s just ironic enough to happen.
Exactly…. they will become one of the hundred of thousands of our homeless and untreated Vets where no one sees them and are invisible….
This administration has fucked up far above and beyond what I had ever imagined. I think I need to watch a movie, have some wine and go snuggle with the hubby and the puppy
I won’t be holding my breath. If there is an administration shitstorm, we’ll never know about it because the media will still be hyperventilating over Wright.
May is sweeps months. They care not for truth or integrity or information. They care for ratings.
hmmmmmm, maybe it’s time to take that on….
I drive by them all the time … a bunch live under the 1-10 bridge here in New Orleans … like 60% of the tent city there are supposed to be Vets… thanks to compassionate conservatism! What a swell buncha guys! But they got their tax cuts until 2010, that’s all they care about!
So many sharks to jump, so little time…
HOLY CHIT!
I like it. It does, however, make me sad to see the ex-prez in the light of the current executice precedences set.
Taking Sanchez’ word for these revelations is like listening to a Hells Angel testifying at a meth trial.
But it’s all we got, I guess. There are no John Deans in this bunch.
this is just beyond belief!!!!!
and we KNOW MSM won’t MENTION it. not even Olbermann.
just amazingly soooo screwed up, i couldn’t even IMAGINE such a screwed up bunch of, what are they? …..Dream Team??? “adults”??????
we are lucky we’re still here (those of us who are, anyway) with this caliber of leadershit.
omg
oooooooooops,
sorry,
just picking my mind up off the carpet!
hello Eli.
:)
Sip and snuggle.
And, enjoy.
Hugs….
(me, too, once they get back from their walk.
All pups out there who can do something similar — make it up — I encourage you all to do same.)
As my dear old dad used to say, Everyone deserves to be happy.,
Thats all they know…. $$$$ and fuck the little people. soldiers are disposable to them, once they have served their purpose they just get rid of them. Just look at the GI bill that the rethuglians are trying to foist upon our heroes:>(
The thing is, we *know* that Sanchez is telling the truth about the administration bailing on the securing/reconstructing phase. We know they ignored State’s planning docs and research.
So really, the question is whether Rummy really claimed he had no idea, and whether he buried an inquiry which showed he knew all about it.
Hiya, siri!
Thats Rummey’s gospel… he didn’t know… from the one spit out abount “the known knowns and the unknown unknowns If any swallows this blatant lie I know a piece of beach front property in North Dakota I will sell you real cheap…oh and there is oil under it!
Agreed. The truth isn’t in question.
And reading that Sanchez mentions his conversations with his wife about this gives it great weight.
But Sanchez is a perp. Believing him isn’t so much an act of faith as it is a hold-your-nose kinda thing.
Incompetence or malignant intent, either way there is NO excuse for this fuck up.
Well, if the Bushies only trust criminals, then we’re only going to get the testimony of criminals.
I suppose the diminished credibility of the witnesses against you is a side benefit of only trusting criminals…
amen
Oh, Mrs. Bong and I will celebrate 25 next month (June 4th). I can’t imagine being any happier.
:)
I like happy.
Nitey nite to all the FDL pups….
White light to you all.
g’night :)
Too many lives lost and destroyed. They must be held accountable for all this carnage… If they are not this country will never get it’s moral high ground back…
Investigate!
Impeach!
Prosecute!
Incarcerate!
And if the World court wants them use extraordinary rendition to whisk them to the Hague!
If this doesn’t happen we will be forever have the worlds scorn!! And Rightfully So.
Me too
You!
Good night to you……. got up this morning at 5am EDT in NYC and now that I am home, trying to make it to 9pm MST….. going for a walk to see if that helps….
It will all happen. Some days I am a believer. Some days not. Today I believe justice will prevail. I don’t quite believe in god today but almost.
Get plenty of Sunshine… the best cure for Jet lag…
At this point, i’d be a correct rendering of the picture.
Careful…we do have Lake Sakajawea…and Bakken Shale in ND.
Hope the walking helps.
We just back from dinner.
I think fondly of you in Arizona - with the dog on the diving board!
Great image.
KATY!!!
I find that hard to believe, since they first sent in Jay Garner, who I think had some sense, but he was mislead, things were misrepresented to him, he could not get them to admit they had a plan, they refused to follow the plan that they already had. When he made decisions that were contrary to what they thought he would do, even though they refused to tell him what they wanted him to do or what they expected, they shipped him out for it. His story, in fact, seems to jive with what Sanchez is saying. Bremer wasn’t the only one making very poor decisions. The whole operation was a bad, bad joke from beginning to end. I believe it was far more than incompetence. I believe it was deliberate chaos…kinda like a string theory sort of thing that in the neocons’ minds they thought would end up making things right. In other words, this is what happens when mortals play God!
Mary, you are a dear.
this is what happens when mortals play God!
Fuckin’Brilliant.
nice rant from chris floyd, here’s a bit:
Another possible explanation for deliberately fucking up the occupation might be that they worried that a strong Iraqi government might not let them take so much oil.
Of course, it apparently didn’t occur to them that a fucked-up occupation might make the oil wells and pipelines a little… less than secure.
One does what one can.
I keep doing the circular thoughts on that incompetence/intentional thing.
So……please don’t all slam me at once..but…..I’ve been reading Lyndon LaRouche’s organization’s pamphlet ” Is the Devil In Your Laptop?”.
I’m impressed with the depth of thought, research and the history of how we got where we’re at. I went into reading about his movement/ideas expecting to be ambivalent.But we’d met a few of his young followers and were really impressed with their clarity of thought and personalities. [ That’s kind of a red flag for a paranoid like me, who came of age among the new Moonies and losing close friends to the Born Again movement.]
I vaguely remembered his name from past elections and had assumed the media images of his organization were true. Another ego-nutter, not unlike Rev. Moon. [Except Rev. Moon has now elevated himself and his wife to a major world financial gamers.].
I found a very intelligent view of our current situation with a better understanding of the force behind the mindset that ” there’s nothing you can do. Globalization is inevitable. Just make a lesser choice and you and your family can survive.”. He’s absolutely right-on about that.
F@#k! That’s the underlying mantra, the uneasy message of tribal
La Rouche perspective’s on the State of Affairs is not unlike the theory presented in ” Coyote Warrior” by Paul Vandevelder.
Theocracy breeds with idealogy breeds with Inquisition Domination approved methods of societal control. Colonialism through tribal i.e. community destruction.
It all seems too smooth to be incompetent. Not that fools don’t make a marvelous diversion.
All we can do, baby, all we can do.
Hell, I’m just trying to stay awake for Bill Moyers.
Big Dinner.
+1
And that a strong Iraqi government might exclude the “need” of invading or bomb, bomb, bombing Iran.
Ding!
idiots
The short form: these people are such fuckups that they even fucked up when it came to fucking up. I say, fuck ‘em.
Moral cowardice: an American value.
yeah man, that a little too much of the libertarian propaganda man, srry.
“Globalization is inevitable.”
Globalization may be inevitable but local community will make a come back at the same time. We need both and we need both to be live affirming.
At least SMU rejected the Bush Jr. presidential library. *sigh*
Chickenhawks
i dunno. after re-reading the six or more times I’m really confused. wtf
They knew it was a moron de oxy.
re: fucking up.
best explanation i’ve come across - and it was today’s in moon of alabama.
The Strategy of Keeping States Failed
i guess.
while i don’t agree with everything wright said, i think he is the most morally centered individual i’ve heard speak in a long time. hate to see him get thrown under the bus.
Plus, IIRC, they broke the main pipeline going in and it took a very long time to fix it. It seemed to me bombing in the Tigris Eurphrates area was what caused the problem with the main pipeline and made it inoperable. Then when they contracted the fix, they chose the method that was supposedly the quickest, but not really possible due to the soils in the area. So they fixed it, and it didn’t work out because of the soils, and they fixed it again with the same results. This went on and on, all the while running up more profits for the contractor, who knew it would never work, but the army corp had approved it so they did it their way until finally someone decided to stop the insanity and they finally got the pipeline fixed. Anyone have a different recollection? Pretty much the same things happened with hospitals and schools, and the infamous uninhabitable police stations, wherein the toilets wouldn’t flush on day one!
You can take that to the bank.
and katymine@48 - remember “The Deer Hunter?”
It’s true that any kind of democratically-elected Iraqi government was unlikely to be pro-America or non-Shi’ite.
tw3k,
are you sure? I’m totally open to who this organization really is. If any one knows a good reason why we should not invite the young La Rouche group to meet with our group of young bloods that are civically involved - I’d appreciate hearing about it.
I’m a newbie in the woods on this one. With a great bunch of youngblood citizens to explore the United States Constitution as a living document. We were there for Lt. Watada. In