Since the powers that be have decided America can't get enough of Rev. Wright (who is black just like Barack Obama) I thought we could use a little white bread 'n brimstone in our diet in the form of the guy from whom John McCain sought an endorsement:John Hagee (courtesy of Matt Taibbi's upcoming The Great Derangement.
Go, Matt, go:
"This is the Pale Horse," he warned. "He is the color of rotting flesh. He will be given the power to destroy twenty-five percent of the population. This is going to happen during the Tribulation. You do not want to be there."
From here Hagee went into a long spiel about the difference between the Christ of the Gospels and the Christ of Revelation. This is an important point for people who are not fundamentalist Christians and want to undertsand them. The Gospels Christ is basically a long-haired, touchy-feely hippie who goes around being nice to people.. The Christ of Revelations is built like the Rock and roams the universe braining sinners with lead pipes. Fundamentalists clearly prefer the Revelation Christ. Hagee explained:
"In Matthew he is the lamb being led to the slaughter. In Revelation he is the LION OF JUDAH! He is going to rule with a rod of iron!"
And when that rod-bearing Christ comes back, us unbelievers had better fucking duck:
"How is Jesus going to crush secular humanism and liberalism and anti-Semitism and atheism?" Hagee asked. " He is not going to ask the Supreme Court to put the Ten Commandments up in our courthouses. He is going to tell them, and they will bow down to him like children."
The crowd roared.
"And those judges who let men get married - he is going to cast them into the pit of Hell to be roasted for all of eternity like they deserve!"
I raised my hands in a full Freeze-Motherfucker. Go Jesus! Waste those judges.
But just when it seemed that Hagee had his crowd right where he wanted them, he switched gears and began talking about Iran and Israel. Hagee is a subtle operator. Whenever he mentions the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmandinejad, it always not moments after a long tirade about Satan. He will give hints about the Antichrist's identity - he is not an American, says Hagee, but he is a smooth talker.
"He will come preaching peace," said Hagee, "and he will sign treaties that he has no intention of keeping."
"Like Muslims!" someone behind ne we whispered.
And just as the crowd was ruminating over the possible identity of the Antichrist, Hagee switched gears and dropped a bombshell on the crowd. "Iran's president is planning a nuclear holocaust, and our how empty-headed leaders in Washington don't see that, I don't know!" he grumbled.
From there he went on for a while about Israel and Iran. I felt the energy leaving the hall. The people in this church come to services for help in dealing with their own problems, which of course are legion. They are there to find a reason for living amid the financial struggle, the constant battles with sin and despair, or romantic disappointments, loneliness, abuse, addiction. They could give a shit about Israel and they could give a shit about Iran. And so, while Hagee worked himself up into a frenzy about Iran, the crowd only cheered politely. This was even true at the climax.
"And now comes a new Hitler," roared the pastor, "and his name is Ahmandinejad. Iran MUST BE STOPPED!!!"
Polite clapping from the crowd.
Kind of gives you that warm "what a friend we have in Jesus" feeling, doesn't it?
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Yep. My observation has long been that the Fundies seem to eschew the gospels written by those who actually knew Yeshua al Nazarat in favor of a couple of hallucinatory crazies who never even met him. I really do not know how they get away with calling themselves Christians, better they be called Paulists.
Tbogg!
The media doesn’t know the difference between Wright and wrong.
TBogg!
Hagee is teh joke!
Haggis has been entertaining us for years on tv. He reminds me of a character in a Terry Gilliam movie.
Leave it to Bush to promote these nutfuckers to a higher level of respectability.
…am I in the right place?
So!
Is this Late Night? Kind of a serious subject, isn’t it?
yes this is late nite
yes you are at the right place
we are visiting the tboggs’ tonight until late late nite posts
Digg it here
So, when will the media be giving McSame the “Hagee” treatment? Oh, never, dopey moi I forgot, they luuuuuuv them some ‘Q…
When they say “bone sucking” sauce, which bone do you think the media are actually sucking?
Thank you Suz Just wanted to be sure.
Although this post does go a long way to explaining why FOX and other MSM outlets haven’t tackled Hagee. They can’t follow his subtle shifts and insinuations. They also can’t spell or say Relevations.
Just not the Wright place
Great Daily Show video on preachers
Daily Show: Billy Graham vs. Jeremiah Wright
Can Tbogg handle the volume…? /s
You are appallingly correct, me thinks …
If you want to read about wrong places, you should read TBogg’s previous post. Naughty Fenway!
Is T himself here among us?
Didn’t mean to kill the party with that question…
Just feelin’ shy over here, myself *g*
Is Suzanne still here?
I’m not so sure we aren’t in some kind of existential blogwarp…
I left ya a comment at M&C, LL!
Well, if CTuttle is here, I must be in the right place!!!
yes
I’ll try not to steer ya wrong…!
TBogg’s readers scare me. Kinda.
evening pups
nice digs and great topic. i guess the short version of this is Hagee is one sip shy of an empty milk carton.
Thank you CT, just saw that You all have some good stuff over there.
Hey, Jo! What’s shaking?
Hi Loo Hoo,
Can I come sit by you?
Back to work tomorrow, good night all!
Thank you Tbogg, for hosting us.
We all know each other. Don’t worry.
Carl Jung (among others) pointed out that the Book of Revelations was written by a priest or monk on the island of Patmos, while suffering from dementia.
They are literally following an insane person. And they can’t wait for the day we normal people get tossed into the lake of fire. There it is, another religion found to be a mental illness. “…a danger to themselves or others” is part of the definition. Great, can we lock them all away now?
Aloha, LL! Mahalo for the kind remarks…!
Yes. I’ve got a big blankie.
i’ve lurked here for ages, they don’t bite
O/T but wtf?
she is covincing me bit by bit that she is batshit crazy
I’m joking. I just remember when TBogg first joined up with FDL it was interesting!
i’m down
pups pups pups, the tbogg folks are not firedoglake eating monsters. ya just gotta remember to not toss spitballs and no tripping the ushers when we are visiting
And we are following George Bush. Things haven’t changed much.
Oh, thank goodness. I used to wear mine over my head and peek out of the holes.
i was glad to see mcsame got questioned about calling his wife the cword. i wanna know when he is gonna start to get the wright treatment over hagee.
but are tbogg folks mostly lurkers, or do they just not stay up this late?
It’s a shame really but by the text that Tbogg highlighted, it is evident that it is all about his (Hagee) agenda and the rest just follow along. I suppose if someone did complain or criticize, he would pray to the ‘Christ of the Revelation’ to open a can of whoop ass on them.
Now, Scalia is a strict constitutionalist, and he may not be so compliant since and I’m not sure where in the constitution it states Jesus has discretionary power over the court. Unless Jesus is actually Katherine Harris. And the children simile… well, my kids rarely bow down. They stick out their tongues alot, but bowing…not so much.
I liked Molly Ivins suggestion to Southern Baptists during their baptisms; “ya shoulda held ‘em under longer…!”
was it true that a minister asked him that question?
I will just say that I am disappointed in Hillary’s campaign. If one were to judge whom to vote for between the two candidates based on who assembled the stronger campaign team, it would be Obama. If assembling a campaign committee is anything like assembling a cabinet, and I think it is, Obama is a winner.
It will come. Suz, just think of the material we have to unleash against McCane. And where the hell are his medical records?
Actually, I think we’re scaring off the regulars…!
I just want to see proof that he walks on water
Yup. It’s at HuffPo.
One of my friends says Revelations reads like a drug trip. I can’t say myself, ‘cuz I’ve never done that sh*t, but I certainly wouldn’t trust it over the Gospels and Acts.
is what i heard - also that he is a former biden supporter
I like the way you put that.
wow. cool.
i have to go check out the video, just to see mccain bluster
What’s she putting in her coffee besides sugar and cream?
Or is it just the four-shots-of-espresso kind of crazy?
Hagee’s not very subtle about working right-wing Neocon talking points into his sermons.
If I didn’t know better, I’d swear Hagee is describing Jesus, the Prince of Peace.
These evangelists are certainly scrambling their flocks’ brains. The Neocons understand how to twist religious doctrine to fit the Neocon agenda and manipulate the masses into supporting it. Yuck.
- Tom
“He’s too dumb to eat pretzels…” ~ NoFX
You know why Hagee and McCain luvs them some Smirky, doncha?
When the President Talks to God - Bright Eyes
Right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a psychological personality variable or “ideological attitude” found to a high degree in people who are authoritarian followers (Authoritarian leaders, on the other hand, tend to score highly in social dominance orientation.)(Source: Altemeyer, 1998)
Right-wing authoritarianism is defined as the co-existence of three attitudinal clusters in a person:
1. Authoritarian submission — a high degree of submission to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives.
2. Authoritarian aggression — a general aggressiveness, directed against various persons, that is perceived to be sanctioned by established authorities.
3. Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the social conventions that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities. (Source: Altemeyer, 1996, Chapter 1)
The “RWA” trait is measured by an attitude scale creatively named the RWA scale. The first item on the scale goes, “Our country desperately needs a mighty leader who will do what has to be done to destroy the radical new ways and sinfulness that are ruining us.” Persons who strongly agree with this are showing a lot of authoritarian submission (”Our country desperately needs a mighty leader”), authoritarian aggression (”who will do what has to be done to destroy”), and conventionalism (”the radical new ways and sinfulness that are ruining us”).
The “right-wing” in right-wing authoritarianism does not refer to someone’s politics but to their personality. It means the person has a strong need to submit to those they consider the established authorities in society. Those authorities can have right-wing or left-wing political views. In North America, persons who score highly on the RWA scale tend to support conservative political parties when they take an interest in politics. But in the Soviet Union, high RWAs tended to support the Communist Party–which most people consider a very left-wing political movement. (Source: Altemeyer, 1996, Chapters 1 and 5) Another kind of personality, the “left-wing authoritarian,” submits to authorities who want to overthrow the established authorities. But (perhaps naturally) it is harder to find such people. (Source: Altemeyer, 1996, Chapter 9).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....itarianism
I wish to live in a world where people don’t have to join groups because they are afraid. I wish to live in a world where those who do join groups don’t turn on the members of other groups because they are afraid.
I wish the followers of Christ could show the courage of the Christ at the Crucifiction and have the courage to die for their beliefs without calling down violence even though Jesus certainly could have said a word and an Army of Angels would have stopped the Crucifiction he did not do so.
Why because he wanted to show us what we should do which is PROTEST PEACEFULLY to resolve our conflicts instead of taking the easy/violent way out.
link
Cool vid, RFW!
I have no idea but between her and her campaign (blumenthal circulating an article entitled, “Obama’s Communist Mentor”, which he picked up from a reich wing website) leads me to believe that they are all batshit crazy.
my dad always said ya had to be nuts to be in politics…
Yes but according to Revelations, those that lead others astray (their own agenda not christ’s) will be subject to serious ass whoopin because their position has given them great power and influence.
Your father was a wise man
“This is the Pale Horse…he is the color of rotting flesh. He will be given the power to destroy 25% of the population…you don’t want to be there.”
Which one looks like the pale horse?
LMAO.
Dear gawd, give me POLYGAMY!
‘They’ (HRC and her ‘advisors’ BELIEVE they are SERIOUS.
If we were to their ‘BELIEF’ together with you ‘belief’ then we woould end up with, ‘Seriously ……. …..!’
Would you be willing to accept that description?
Seriously.
Done.
Thanks, CT!
egads!!!
When is the Press going to start asking McCain questions about his Preacher? Tweety, Modo, Pumpkinhead? I think are all Catholic but these punks are letting some Republican Preacher call their church a “Great Whore”.
Where are the Catholic Bishops on this they are sure quick to condem Democrats for supporting abortion.
Where is loud mouth Opus Dei whip himself for insane religious reasons Supreme Court Justice Scalia swearing at the press in Italian is fine.
But how about swearing at people who swear at us!
in the scheme of all this rev wright/hagee crap, being atheist or agnostic candidate would be worse?
scalia is opus dei? now why is that not a surprise?
Yeah it explains allot.
Electrical storm shaping up outside, guess I’d better shut down my computer.
Nite, all.
John McCain:
Worse than Bush
g’nite neuro
Aloha, neuro! Stay safe!
boa noite, neuro
Careful, nuero.
“”How is Jesus going to crush secular humanism and liberalism and anti-Semitism and atheism?” Hagee asked.”
Ok
Secular Humanists are not Christians (Well they ARE secular)
Liberals are not Christimns (That’s news…,)
Ant-Semitics are not christians (Well, maybe now, but for the last 1900 years I recall they blamed the Jews for nailing Jusus to the cross and were a wee bit Anti-Jew. Or does he exclude the arabs from being semitic?)
Athiests ar NOT Christiams (well duh, now about those buddists….)
I think this precher is a few deductions short of a proof in his logic…
I wonder if he’s contemplated the seven deadly sins in the last 20 or 30 years, especially the ones about Gluttonty & Greed?
“hey, porky, why are you fat?”
think i’ll read something to take my mind off of politics. the last thing i want is bat shit politicians haunting my dreams.
boa noite, pups
G’nite, neuro. Sleep well.
boa noite wobbly
Aloha, wobbly!
the last thing i want
isare (subject/verb agreement) bat shit politicians haunting my dreams.“submits to authorities who want to overthrow the established authorities”
The definition of a null set? If one submits to an authority, then by definition that authority is establised to the one who submits…
Revelations - carrot & stick.
There are many carrots in the New Testament, few sticks - until you come to revelations.
I’ve had enough of preacher- keep the fuckers in church where they belong. Most of em are half crazy—-I get pretty fuckin confused when Wright starts talkin bout the US govt inventin the AIDS virus ta kill black people- and I don’t have the faintest fuckin idea what Revelations is all about…Who GIVES a shit about em- either of em- ANY of em…
So when a political candidate and his preacher stand side by side- who has to stick his fingers up the other guy’s asshole to make their lips move?
Here’s my nominee for the first fucker to fire when a dem president takes the oath of office come January:
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Navy Adm. Michael G. Mullen, said the U.S. political transition will be “extraordinarily challenging,” particularly as the military is engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan and faces interference in both countries from Iran.
“Iran is not going away,” Mullen said. “We need to be strong and really in the deterrent mode, to not be very predictable” regarding Iran, he said in a meeting with editors and reporters at The Washington Post.
Mullen spoke on a day when Pentagon officials announced that a second U.S. aircraft carrier group, the USS Lincoln, had arrived in the Persian Gulf for a brief overlap with another carrier. Having two carriers in the Gulf will provide additional air power for strikes and reconnaissance in the combat zone, giving commanders added flexibility, said Lt. Gen. Carter F. Ham, the Joint Staff operations chief. “It allows us, also, to demonstrate to our friends and allies in the region a commitment to security in the region,” he said.
late late nite
Hagee. Yeah, right!
OT for a serious question. Is there any way to help those citizens who don’t have photo IDs to get them in time for election? A sizeable percentage (10+) of young people and seniors have never had a need to get a driver’s license, passport, etc. The same for city and town renters who can use public transportation. Would DMV or some other agency be able to assist - just to provide photo ID cards? Just curious. This is bothering me. Dem. minority groups (Latinos, African Americans and others) are very much affected.
The Revelation of John the Divine occurred 77+/- years after the death of Jeebus.
If Jeebus did come back and did proclaim the Revelation it should be all over and done with.
Because it should already have happened.
I remember something about some of you who stand here today shall witness my return.
Or something.
And that was from a Gospel. Luke, I think.
i’ve never had a bad word to say about HRC, but after the factor interview, i just gotta say, she crossed a major line. the sole reason she went on there was to say, yet again, this time to the red meat crowd that she would have left wrights congregation.
she says obama used “bad judgement” by staying there. who the fuck is she to make that assertion? what does it mean anyway? bad judgement because he should have known he was going to run for office someday, and he would be subject to racially motivated attacks?
what if someone should ask obama if staying in a marriage for 30+ years with someone who repeatedly cheats on you with multiple women in a very public and humiliating manner reflects badly on their judgement, or character? The politically correct answer, that Obama would give, is that it is a personal decision and it would be wrong and unfair to judge someone for it. A personal matter, just like their faith, choice of church and pastor.
On O’reilly no less. She is beyond repair.
Is Hagee aware he’ll be going straight to Hell for spewing such hateful garbage?
Thanks for the Right Wing Authoritarian traits index. I was working up to that, by suggesting that every time Haggee says “Liberal” or “Homosexual” or “Amedinajad”or “Secularists” you mentally substitute “Jew”. What does that remind us of?
(Hint: google ‘Godwin’s Law’).
Judging by the mileage Haggee and others get from the Book of Revelations, it might be one of the books of the Bible that was written by Satan.
Ha! Yeshua al-Nazarat, founding leader of Al Qaeda in Palestine. He and his gang of 12 must be stopped.
Ignorance of church history by these wingnuts stuns me sometimes. I am “just” a layperson who has done my own research but …perhaps this wing nut should read “The Apostolic Fathers” sometime, the books that were “rejected” by the Nicene Council in the 4th century. Anybody can read them online. Also the newly translated “Gospel of Mary” and Elaine Pagel’s “The Gnostic Gospels”.
Hagee would find a whole different Jesus in these gospels than Revelations. The 4th century Nicene Council had some agendas when they chose the books of the New Testament that were not so “godly”. For instance, in order to have more control over church members, they rejected the works of the third pope, Polycarp who believed in reincarnation. They felt that if Christians actually accepted reincarnation as part of their theology, the Church could not cause enough terror to condemn to hell forever any of their congregation’s “sins” and control congregation members for their own needs. One of the Apostolic books, contains the story of Polycarp, who was a dear friend of the Apostle Peter. Think of his name in Greek …”poly” = “many” and “carp” = “bodys”. Again there are letters between Polycarp and Peter that anyone can read on the Internet. Polycarp was martyred by being burnt at the stake. The accounts of his death were that, instead of the smell of burning flesh, the aroma of baking bread spread throughout the city …
The point I am making here is that Hagee is doing just as Jesus’ leaders did in his time, they took the times they lived in and did not listen to the kernal of their own teachings. The early church was into love, community, and learning to live together (oh and btw, as Elaine Pagels points out, many of them accepted women as priests). They took to heart the teachings of Jesus who taught that Love was the greatest command one could dedicate their lives learning. One of his most shocking and disturbing teachings was to accept women as equals instead of just being man’s baby machine and work horse (see the Gospel of Mary and the Gnostic Gospels”).
Google some of these things sometime, if you are curious. I would LOVE a conversation about this …
My 2 cents
Cat In Seattle < ---not much more than a high school education, but always curious and can actually READ something more than the enigmatic Bible, because it is not understandable unless you put the writings in historical context</p>
Wobblybits: These are AUTHORITARIANS. They don’t question Authority. They LOVE Authority. It gives them a security blankie. See http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/. Bob Altemeyer has got their number.
We can only hope they start to think about what “Daddy” is telling them. It seems so from the polite response to the Iran/satan whoop-de-do.
They cherrypick. The bible is an Anthology, for chhrissakes. Written by people with Agendas FOR people with Agendas. Whatever comfort religion gave me as a child has been replaced by horror.
My fundie cousin-in-law has indoctrinated his children, to the extent that they entertained us one christmas with a recitation of ‘all catholics are satan and they will go to hell’.( THEY HAVE COUSINS AND AUNTS AND UNCLES WHO ARE CATHOLIC AND JEWISH). We never heard what they think of jews, as we left. These were 7 and 8 year old children. Horrors.
I want Hagee to have free rein. He’s got a time limit of a few minutes worth of spouting off all that Book of Revelations gibberish, and I’ve got $20 bucks that says if he goes a couple of minutes over in one of these rants, he’ll start foaming at the mouth, speaking in tongues, and then he’ll pull a large North American pit viper out of a Purina feed sack, for piety-attesting purposes.
You GO, John! In fact, BOTH Johns. :o)