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	<title>Comments on: Tom Friedman Returns, and He&#8217;s Right About Gas-Tax Holiday</title>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1419104</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Clintons purposeful effort to not rock the boat along with Richardson during their first 8 years is “justfied” by the repub congress? I think not. The Clintons could have developed advanced battery technologies through the military for non cumbustion engines which had military as well as civilian applications. We can expect no more and no less from another 8 years of the Clintons.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Clintons purposeful effort to not rock the boat along with Richardson during their first 8 years is “justfied” by the repub congress? I think not. The Clintons could have developed advanced battery technologies through the military for non cumbustion engines which had military as well as civilian applications. We can expect no more and no less from another 8 years of the Clintons.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCali</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1419098</link>
		<dc:creator>SoCali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When we know that Friedman is a tool for war interests, to the point where a Friedman unit becomes part of the lexicon, why would we read or support the guy. The guy lives in the rarefied world of the countries 100 richest families while pretending to live among the turtleneck crowd. To put a fine point on it, the guy can’t be trusted and should have been fired long ago. Only in our 1984 world can this guy continue to have a position of influence in one of our major dailies.&lt;br /&gt;
If anyone wants to understand the influence of big oil on our lack of a sensible energy policy, Friedman would be the last place to turn.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we know that Friedman is a tool for war interests, to the point where a Friedman unit becomes part of the lexicon, why would we read or support the guy. The guy lives in the rarefied world of the countries 100 richest families while pretending to live among the turtleneck crowd. To put a fine point on it, the guy can’t be trusted and should have been fired long ago. Only in our 1984 world can this guy continue to have a position of influence in one of our major dailies.<br />
If anyone wants to understand the influence of big oil on our lack of a sensible energy policy, Friedman would be the last place to turn.</p>
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		<title>By: A Siegel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1419089</link>
		<dc:creator>A Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE the Clintons and oil/fossil fuel dependency.  They did ‘try’ (Btu tax, for example) although I thought then (and now) not nearly hard enough.  The Clinton Administration fought for money for research/development of advanced cars (hybrids, electric, plug-ins), basically fighting the Republicans in Congress for every penny. The BushCo Admin threw this out with “hydrogen” taking the leading position.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There were also moves on energy efficiency, etc … Clinton Administration did stuff on energy, not nearly enough, but the ‘not nearly enough’ was driven to a tremendous extent by having a Republican Congress, imo.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE the Clintons and oil/fossil fuel dependency.  They did ‘try’ (Btu tax, for example) although I thought then (and now) not nearly hard enough.  The Clinton Administration fought for money for research/development of advanced cars (hybrids, electric, plug-ins), basically fighting the Republicans in Congress for every penny. The BushCo Admin threw this out with “hydrogen” taking the leading position.</p>
<p>There were also moves on energy efficiency, etc … Clinton Administration did stuff on energy, not nearly enough, but the ‘not nearly enough’ was driven to a tremendous extent by having a Republican Congress, imo.</p>
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		<title>By: A Siegel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1419085</link>
		<dc:creator>A Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Friedman is difficult to read, since he goes from so wrong to so right. (Oops so Right (wrong) to so Correct.)  But, perhaps that is what makes him interesting/useful to me as a columnist. I need to read and think about what he reads, read him with skepticism but with an understanding that he can bring value to the table/conversation. (Unlike, for example, Novak and so many on the WashPost pages.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this case:  Friedman is 100% on target.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman is difficult to read, since he goes from so wrong to so right. (Oops so Right (wrong) to so Correct.)  But, perhaps that is what makes him interesting/useful to me as a columnist. I need to read and think about what he reads, read him with skepticism but with an understanding that he can bring value to the table/conversation. (Unlike, for example, Novak and so many on the WashPost pages.)</p>
<p>In this case:  Friedman is 100% on target.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1419076</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The bigest miss in the first 8 years of the Clintons was our dependence foreign fossil fuels; they pander and pander; is her gas tax proposal going to help her base of poor white voters with less than a high school education? Apparently she thinks she and McCain can get away with a tax rebate that will only fuel the oil company profits, no pun intended.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bigest miss in the first 8 years of the Clintons was our dependence foreign fossil fuels; they pander and pander; is her gas tax proposal going to help her base of poor white voters with less than a high school education? Apparently she thinks she and McCain can get away with a tax rebate that will only fuel the oil company profits, no pun intended.</p>
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		<title>By: jawbone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1419070</link>
		<dc:creator>jawbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This part of Clinton’s energy program is not a long term &lt;em&gt;solution&lt;/em&gt;–it is a short term &lt;em&gt;palliative&lt;/em&gt;.  It is an attempt to lessen the economic shock of these sudden and sharp gas price increases.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone at Atrios’ place figured the 12 weeks would result in about $25 saving, a trifle to the commenter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To those among the working poor, those on the sharp edge of this economy’s cutting down their standard of living, $25 is 6 to 10 or so &lt;em&gt;gallons of milk&lt;/em&gt;.  These are people who really do have to trade one gallon of milk for part or a gallon of gas.  They cut down on their kids’ calcium in order to get to work to make the money to buy the gas to get to work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is dire for some in our nation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Clinton, imo, is offering a slight buffering of the pain for a while.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What should be done?  Some kind of energy tax rebate to the poor?  Gas/transportation stamps for the poor, something like food stamps?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is only going to get worse.  And buses, where they are available to the rural poor, are also increasing their ticket prices.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clinton at least would have an excess profit tax on Big Oil, etc., which should have been done when the profits became as obscene as they are now.  For no more work, but simply because they base profits on a percentage of their costs, they will make more and more and more profit as the base price of oil rises.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note: I am not a ecnomist. But I do remember drinking powdered milk mixed in with real milk, in order to make our food budget stretch. It did not taste as good, btw.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This part of Clinton’s energy program is not a long term <em>solution</em>–it is a short term <em>palliative</em>.  It is an attempt to lessen the economic shock of these sudden and sharp gas price increases.  </p>
<p>Someone at Atrios’ place figured the 12 weeks would result in about $25 saving, a trifle to the commenter.</p>
<p>To those among the working poor, those on the sharp edge of this economy’s cutting down their standard of living, $25 is 6 to 10 or so <em>gallons of milk</em>.  These are people who really do have to trade one gallon of milk for part or a gallon of gas.  They cut down on their kids’ calcium in order to get to work to make the money to buy the gas to get to work.</p>
<p>This is dire for some in our nation.</p>
<p>And Clinton, imo, is offering a slight buffering of the pain for a while.</p>
<p>What should be done?  Some kind of energy tax rebate to the poor?  Gas/transportation stamps for the poor, something like food stamps?</p>
<p>This is only going to get worse.  And buses, where they are available to the rural poor, are also increasing their ticket prices.  </p>
<p>Clinton at least would have an excess profit tax on Big Oil, etc., which should have been done when the profits became as obscene as they are now.  For no more work, but simply because they base profits on a percentage of their costs, they will make more and more and more profit as the base price of oil rises.</p>
<p>Note: I am not a ecnomist. But I do remember drinking powdered milk mixed in with real milk, in order to make our food budget stretch. It did not taste as good, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1418989</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The de facto fusion ticket of McCain/Clintons, what a depressing exercise. Under the Clintons first 8 years our dependence on foreign oil rose dramatically, approx 15%, even more than under Bush. She gets a chance to say something, anything about foreign fossil fuel dependence and the Clintons give us more profits to oil companies; retail politics at its worst and the harbinger of more to come if these two get re-elected.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The de facto fusion ticket of McCain/Clintons, what a depressing exercise. Under the Clintons first 8 years our dependence on foreign oil rose dramatically, approx 15%, even more than under Bush. She gets a chance to say something, anything about foreign fossil fuel dependence and the Clintons give us more profits to oil companies; retail politics at its worst and the harbinger of more to come if these two get re-elected.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1418933</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is indeed cause for reconsideration when one agrees with Tom Friedman, but there is no sane reason to believe eliminating the federal (or state) gas taxes will reduce oil consumption. I think it telling that the only presidential candidate to oppose the tax elimination is Obama. Hopefully the voters in Indiana, Oregon and other primary places will see through the crap and go for him, the Reverend Wright notwithstanding.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed cause for reconsideration when one agrees with Tom Friedman, but there is no sane reason to believe eliminating the federal (or state) gas taxes will reduce oil consumption. I think it telling that the only presidential candidate to oppose the tax elimination is Obama. Hopefully the voters in Indiana, Oregon and other primary places will see through the crap and go for him, the Reverend Wright notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCali</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1418893</link>
		<dc:creator>SoCali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;read: billionaire&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As the July edition of the Washingtonian Magazine notes, Friedman lives in “a palatial 11,400-square-foot house, now valued at $9.3 million, on a 7½-acre parcel just blocks from I-495 and Bethesda Country Club.” He “married into one of the 100 richest families in the country” - the Bucksbaums, whose real-estate Empire is valued at $2.7 billion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read: billionaire</p>
<p>As the July edition of the Washingtonian Magazine notes, Friedman lives in “a palatial 11,400-square-foot house, now valued at $9.3 million, on a 7½-acre parcel just blocks from I-495 and Bethesda Country Club.” He “married into one of the 100 richest families in the country” &#8211; the Bucksbaums, whose real-estate Empire is valued at $2.7 billion.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCali</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/30/tom-friedman-returns-and-hes-right/#comment-1418884</link>
		<dc:creator>SoCali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is deeply ironic, borderings on pathetic to take tax and energy advice from a guy who cheered on the country to a war for oil. Then can we forget this unabashed twit is a multi-billion with a carbon footprint equal to some third-world countries: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/billionaire-scion-tom-fri_b_26164.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....26164.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
To have people like Friedman preaching to his readers about global warming and sensible tax policy is my cathartic laugh for the day.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is deeply ironic, borderings on pathetic to take tax and energy advice from a guy who cheered on the country to a war for oil. Then can we forget this unabashed twit is a multi-billion with a carbon footprint equal to some third-world countries: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/billionaire-scion-tom-fri_b_26164.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&#8230;..26164.html</a><br />
To have people like Friedman preaching to his readers about global warming and sensible tax policy is my cathartic laugh for the day.</p>
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