I was on a conference call yesterday with Roger Hickey, co-director at Campaign for America’s Future; Jacob Hacker, author of "The Great Risk Shift" and professor at Yale University; and Karen Ackerman, political director for AFL-CIO. Roger sums the McCain plan up here:
He wants voters to think he is going after health care cost inflation. In reality, he wants to dismantle the employer-provided system that now covers over 60 percent (or about 158 million) of non-elderly Americans….And he would drive health care costs upward, not downward.
This is truly amazing: McCain and his handlers…turned to their friends (and financial supporters) in the health care industry and the conservative think tanks. And they have adopted the most extreme right-wing ideological approach, premised on the idea that the big problem in health care is that Americans have too much insurance – in their words, we don’t have enough “skin in the game” – and that only when we have to buy health care with money that comes directly out of our own pockets will consumers force doctors, hospitals and insurance companies to become more efficient.
But…[m]ost of us already pay part of our premiums out of our own pockets, and we increasingly have to shell out for co-pays in order to get to see a doctor….
And get this: McCain wants to abolish the regulations that currently exist in most states that require companies to insure people with pre-existing conditions, provide benefits that don’t exclude some medical conditions, and prevent them from charging huge premiums for crumby benefits….
Best line on the call came from Jacob Hacker, who said McCain’s plan is "free market theology substituting as a plan." So, pre-existing condition? Well, screw you! No insurance? Not McCain’s problem!
As Jonathan Cohn has pointed out, McCain doesn’t allow you to pay for your insurance premiums with pre-tax dollars any longer either, because you’d be getting your insurance individually rather than through a work-negotiated group plan: which means higher rates — since you lose your group risk-sharing and negotiation leverage — paid with more money out-of-pocket because it’s post-tax.
Nothing says bilking the little guy like a big, ole squeeze.
Who’s squeezing? Watch the YouTube from ProgressiveMedia, and see the hypocrisy popping up all over McCain’s "plans." (Extra points for playing spot the lobbyist interest!)
Somehow a health care plan that can be summarized as an "I’ve Got Mine!" corporate bonanza isn’t exactly a solution — unless, of course, you are a big supporter of social Darwinism or married to a sugar-momma heiress and completely out of touch with how real people have to scrape by or something. Oh…wait…
PS — Lurita Doan, hapless head of the GSA, has finally been fired, it seems. But she isn’t going quietly. Do you think a sympathy cookie bouquet is too much to ask?



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So, Christy!
Ah, but we can all take 30 minute daily walks.
If we have legs.
So surprised to see you posting about healthcare back to back with Scarecrow, but I’ll be happy to read your post, too! In fact, I’ll do that right now!
people without healthcare die,sooner,and their quality of life while living sukkkkkkkkkks anyway,this is the CULLING of America
And Congress and the White House will still have their medical care for free. Nice.
my family owned a large medical lab for 48 years,doing a panel of 21 blood tests cost < 7 bux…………we could screen the whole country every 6 mos,for peanuts</p>
hugh has an incredible line downstairs which must be repeated up here;
that’s the line both obama and hillary need to use, I am pretty sure hugh will allow then fair use without licensing
Christy,
Thanks for the video. It made my day.
not just for free,A+ healthcare not HMO crap,and have i said John McGiggolo,owner of 8 homes,airplannes and such,COLLECTS Social Security…………
He wants to eliminate the ability to pay from pretax dollars? And they can’t be forced to cover preexisting conditions?
I understand he’s got corporate overlords to please, but does he honestly think this is going to play in Peoria?
Opps. My bad. I forgot. By the time the media gets done fluffing him, Peoria will think he’s handing out ponies.
damn it…….she is worth BILLIONS dont be spun…she is the sole HEIR to a biz that makes 300,000,000.00 DOLLARS per YEAR,she is worth a few billion,ant acct would do at least 10X earnings
Cookies Doan has been fired? How many months after the recommendation from the IG? Could there be more than was cited in the report?
KDH22 are you here? YAY!!!!
hugh did come up with a great line to counter mkkain though, they might think to adjust the dollar amount but it will smack him down and bring out his temper all in the same breath
if the will were ther,decent affordable healthcare,is NOT ,out of reach
IMO alternative medicine should be available too for CHRONIC conditions
absolutely,but with the DOLLAR cut in half 100 mill is chump change…SHE IS FILTHY RICH….
from the sjc hearing (sorry, i don’t know who said this) – the problem with disclosure of the olc opinions is that there are serious chilling affect on the lawyers – after all, we’ve now see that people will write nasty letters to the newspapers accusing people of war crimes. we can’t have that!
True to form, McCain must follow the Bush line or else. This is old news
in Texas, where the faded bumperstickers read “If You Don’t Have An Oil
Well, Get One!”. They euphemize now it now as opportunity society.
Reality is coming and this tired line won’t cut it.
OT: Glenzilla busts Brian Williams and his rented generals:
whitehouse up.
Thanks Christy and Scarecrow for featuring this subject this morning. Lord knows, listening to just a bit of the corp media radio and TV this morning, we needn’t hold our collective breath that the “news” will do constructive reporting on this.
Not when there’s push-pastoring and concern trolling to be done. Because, you know, it’s real hard for Grandpa Charlie to understand why the healthcare system matters. Maybe Bob Woodruff can explain it to him.
Or as Aaron Brown put it [paraphrased]: it’s not journalism, it’s television.
As a family that knows from the front lines the challenges of existing healthcare coverages, and lives with serious chronic diseases/pre-existing conditions, and also the ravages of infections, I believe we can’t spend enough time on this, and hopefully there will be a chorus of loud voices joining E Edwards in the “news.”
So many issues to deal with, but it’s all of a piece. The Hydra has metastasized in the govt and it’s going to take a long time to clean it out. Starting with Fort Bragg and military barracks…another shade of the disgraceful way BushCo and their minions “support the troops.”
Prairie Today: 100 More Years
What’s continually amazing about free-market fundamentalists (who actually worship unregulated markets, not free markets) is that they proclaim that because market competition promotes efficiency, that means it will efficiently produce the outcome you want. But “efficiency” only means efficiently finding the path to make the most money, and unless the market is regulated to direct that to the desired outcome it won’t.
As anyone with a brain has seen, the most efficient path to making money in an unregulated health-insurance market is denying care, not providing it.
Any bets on whether McCain is a blinkered ideologue who is rich enough to afford his own healthcare, or lying to line the pockets of contributors, or both?
oh by the by…McGiggolos moma is an OIL HEIRESS too…..money marries money,and that asshat never worked 2 jobs in his life,though he ADVOCATES it for peeps who cant make their mortgage payments
BRIANexFiremanWILLAMS turned PUNDIT/teleprompter reader,makes 10,000,000.00 dollars per year also,they HAVENT GOT A CLUE,
Selise, his FISA disappointments aside, I adore Whitehouse.
So liveblogging would be welcome!
when one has ,millions of dollars,you have a lot more options for your HEALTHCARE see Biggus Dickus Cheney
whitehouse makes an excellent point – that when the administration claims secrecy is necessary and then it’s shown that it wasn’t – when they have abused their power to keep something secret… the administration has, in effect, undermined the ability to keep secrets – because they have shown that they couldn’t be trusted and have invited more regulation.
a complex version of crying wolf.
whitehouse:
there have been the legal analysis which were classified more highly than the program itself – for example when the nsa lawyers weren’t allowed to see the legal justification for the program.
in what world does this make sense?
the administration cooked the books in ways that wouldn’t survive peer review.
selise, left you a note at 73, prior thread….and thanks for hearing notes, i don’t have access to it……
feingold asks aftergood about the yoo memo – was there any reason it should have been classified?
A: no, none. it’s clear that it was kept secret to keep it from the military lawyers.
one has to look at who the administration was trying to keep their actions secret from – that will illuminate the why.
They cooked the books in ways that wouldn’t allow peer review.
“the idea that the big problem in health care is that Americans have too much insurance”
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That lovely Moral Hazard myth.
Maybe some people use medical clinicians for socializing, but I wouldn’t go to the doctor if it was free, unless I had a legit need.
thank you. my typing isn’t very good in the best of times.
I’m following the hearing along and will have a pseudo-transcript when it gets done. Hearing has to end at 11, so I thought a full scope would be better for everyone…
Due to a low fixed income (although it’s actually higher than most disability allotments are) and an error that caused me to owe the electric company almost $600 at the end of last year when the budget plan I was on reconciled, causing a $215/mo bill every month so far this year (and we’re going into the expensive season for electricity here, so I don’t expect to see much relief), my choices have become either food, or drugs ($156/mo), or dr. visits (at $35 for each of two specialists plus any testing they would order). I chose eating pretty much all the time and frequently beg for drugs. I no longer see my doctors on their schedule for when they want to see me (every two months). I see them when I figure I can afford to or in case of emergency or illness. So far every year that I’ve been on disability I have fallen into the donut hole that Congress planted like a bomb in Medicare Part D. Hopefully begging for drugs this year will alleviate that problem. In other words, don’t get me started about health care!
or a dentist….yuuuuuuuk…”g”
Yep! Population control at it worst!
{{{{{{{Ann}}}}}}}}
have you looked into those swamp thingies?
excellent christy! especially for folks on dial up – will be very helpful.
got it – and left you a reply. thanks.
I despise that donut hole. I hate seeing the senior patients i serve in the pharmacy have to pay that money for drugs they truly need. Such a nasty trick that was planted in that.
unfortunately the brain dead CHIMEPRORS ,and McGiggolos,or HUCKADOODLE DOO,
son,are whats left….teh trouble ahead
whitehouse up again: just called elwood a liar (didn’t use the word – but still nice!)
See, McCain is practical. The person first waits to get sick. Then he or she applies for insurance. Then they wait to see if they can get insurance. If they are still sick (and alive!) and they can’t get insurance, then they can go “somewhere” and get “help” to maybe be able to get some insurance.
How easy is that???
(Yes, I’m being ironic!)
LOL!
I was in the chair gettin’ a root canal / crown finished last fall when my wife’s employer based coverage expired on her last day of her two-week notice. $1,034. They denied the claim.
elwood had previously said something on how of course the intelligence committees had access to all olc findings.
whitehouse called bullshit.
The only positive spin I could put on this is that it would replace the current broken system with something so incredibly bad that nationalization of health insurance would be the only remediation.
But a few thousand would have to die first.
YEESH
ANN……this thingie
http://itemlistings.ebay.com/s…..n%20SF608R
Exactly.
The idea that people would hang out at the doctor’s office like it was a coffee house under single payer is just crazy talk.
Well, maybe if they had Wi-Fi…
((((Ann))))
For your sake, and the sake of millions like you, we’ve got to get the MSM off the Wright BS and on to exposing the McCain BS.
Yeee-ouch.
actually, you are falling for their propaganda
they don’t want unregulated markets at all, they want markets that have regualtions that protect them from consumers but not regualtions that protect consumers from them
they want regulations that force us to pay their bills, they do not want regulations that force them to clean up their own crap or pay their own bills
“deregulation” is propaganda for “don’t make me pay my own bills”
regulations don’t appear from whole cloth, a regulation comes into existance in almost every case to force a corporation to pay an expense it is trying to externalise or to address an issue the industry caused and refuses to address without that regulation
and that is the method progressives need to use when talking about regulations, it should be;
“you don’t want a regulation then pay your own bills, we will rescind regualtions when corporations voluntarilly pay for what they cost to this country and the assets they use
Much like the 2000 election….cancer and heart attacks and diabetes, JUST GET THE HELL OVER IT! Pull up the ol’ bootstraps lazy gutless liberals and go the hell back to work. Pine for the old days and a good Depression, it seperates the boys from the MEN!
i hate that shiiite,but i need some work meeeself
so that was a teh big bill,nfortuneately
OUR GUMS connect to the heart,and circulatory system,must keep teeth healthy
you got that WRIGHT!!!,we need to call the networks en masse
That assumption is an easy-to-debunk empirical matter. Are UK or French clinics overrun with peeps just hangin’, under the guise of non-existent maladies?
christy at 33
thanks!!!
anyway,doctors KNOW their own patients,and know the MALINGERERS,so END of argument
Yeah, I was tickled to death to hear this news last night at TPM! It made me feel good even on a bad day!
What are swamp thingies?
Getting employers out of the equation is not a bad play if one is going to stick with private insurance companies- which is not the best way to go of course…
We also need more regulation- They can’t discriminate in rates, they have to cover everyone who applies- and premiums are tax deductible…
They WILL, then, provide some plans that will appeal more to consumers.
I prefer single payer- but that ain’t gonna happen.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs -
found this site while looking up McCain/Healthcare/Campaign $$$
nice little at-a-glace Truth-O-Meter feature
to the right under ‘Browse’ – you can pick candidate, subject, etc. – I recommend the ‘Statements by political party’ option
and yes, there’s a “pants-on-fire” designation
Healthcare
see, we still have bodies and the consequent health issues in between employments
How about health insurance that pays us back somehow for living a healthy lifestyle? Or car insurance that pays us back if we never have an accident?
Just a thought…
Marcy just put a whole post up about it. Cookies would be a pretty entertaining frog march, wouldn’t she?
and while they ar looping REV WRIGHT 24/7
US troop deaths push monthly toll to 7-month high in Iraq
SLOBODAN LEKIC | April 30, 2008 10:13 AM EST |
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Mourners seek comfort as their relative is taken for burial from a hospital in the Shiite stronghold of Sadr City in Baghdad, Iraq on Wednesday, April 30, 2008. On Tuesday, U.S. forces struck back at militia fighters with 200-pound (90-kilogram) guided rockets that devastated at least three buildings in the densely packed district that serves as the Baghdad base for the powerful Mahdi Army militia. The U.S. military said 28 militiamen were killed as the U.S. patrol pulled back. Local hospital officials said dozens of civilians were killed or wounded.(AP Photo/ Karim Kadim)
BAGHDAD — The killings of three U.S. soldiers in separate attacks in Baghdad pushed the American death toll for April up to 47, making it the deadliest month since September, the military said Wednesday.
woah! elwood says that the client of the olc is the administration – i thought that was the job of the white house counsel and that the AG (and therefore the olc)’s client was the american people.
these
http://itemlistings.ebay.com/s…..n%20SF608R
I switched to a higher deductible plan this year- $1,200 vs $300. It’s a good financial trade off. I pay $200 less per month for a $900 higher deductible…no brainer.
not anymore…
This entire Gooper free-market-uber-alles schtick is so lame it gives me a headache (for which I will not go to the doctor). First we are told that group insurance benefits us because of the leveraging power of large populations and the mediaiting intermediary watchdog effect. Now, we’re told that optimal medical “consuming” power comes for us all making our most thoughtful and rational individual episode-of-care financial assessments.
It is crazy.
nooooooooooooo,that goes to the CEO like the guy from UNITED HEALTHCARE,who walked away eith 500,000,000.00 dollars for being SUCH A SMARTYPANTS!!!
sttp at 48-The idea that people would hang out at the doctor’s office like it was a coffee house under single payer is just crazy talk.
um, no, it isn’t….i used to think that, too…but learned that many go to the doctor for simple cuts and things that they could handle at home, but go to the doctor cuz they don’t have first aid things at home and it’s free, and something to do…the whole family comes and then wants doc to check everyone since they’re there….even go there for head lice, which is taken care of with an over the counter remedy, i could make a long list…
sorry, all true.
bottom line is this;
an industry had to maintain it’s own equiptment and hardware, that is a fact
the labor force of an industry is an asset they need to maintain, this is brutally obvious once told
another analogy, a baseball team doesn’t get to make it’s own rules and it has to act to protect the game
industry must pay the cost of health care, where would they be without the health of our labor force
now this includes those that are out of employment because if they are to become employed they must be kept healthy along with their family
this is like a cottone producer, they must maintain the health of the breed they require to make their profit
therefore, there must be single payer, everyone must be covered and it must be payed for by those industries that turn profit in this country
if a person or business cannot afford the price to maintain this single payer system then they cannot pay their bills just as they cannot pay their rent and they have to seek another industry or to work for someone besides themselves
Sorry, I just realized that you must mean swamp coolers. I used to have them at several other places I lived, but when the temperature rises over 100 degrees here, or when it’s humid or rainy, they don’t work. Phoenix frequently has a month or two with barely any days under 100 degrees between May and Sept., and I am not as upset with putting up with the heat as some are. I checked my thermostat yesterday and it was 89 degrees in the house. I still haven’t turned on the air yet, and don’t plan to until it’s over 100. I’m just hoping the electric company doesn’t let this happen again next year; we are still unable to determine why it happened last year, since that’s why you go on a budget plan…so this won’t happen.
we can get them out of the equation of provision but not out of the equation of cost
undustry must bear the majority of the weight that provides health care
what most people don’t understand is they really don’t pay for this in the long run since most laborers work for less when they know health care is payed for
gotta step away from the computer… will look forward to christy’s post and analysis.
here is aftergood’s written statement.
oh,sorry
McCain’s attitute defines the Republic Party. They campaign on issues that they do not govern on. The only classes they serve are the wealthy and the corporate wealthy. Why is it that nonwealthy people allow themselves to be tricked into voting for Republics? Because of nonsense things like gay marriage? The Republics didn’t even pretend to ban that.
I think they’re just going to try to send her quietly into the night! At least she’s gone. Should be interesting if they put someone else up to replace her, whether that person will be worth confirmation by the Senate. With their track record or confirmations, I think they should leave the post empty until this administration is gone!
Joint session getting underway on CSPAN 1
from CSPAN:
bye selise
but push-pastoring is sooooo much easier….
oh the guy from United Healthcare received 1,600,000,000.00dollars
Dollar Bill” has made lots of news with cash-and-stock paydays that have topped $100 million in recent years — and he’s still sitting atop stock options valued at $1.6 billion. McGuire’s admiring outside board members — 10 of whom have become millionaires through the sale of their own appreciated stock in recent years — have defended his league-leading compensation on grounds that the giant health insurer’s stock price has been a superb performer.
SORRY my bad
they keep the stoooooooooooopit uninformed and angry…angry at GAS prices…it is REV WRIGHTs fault
forgot to add, they’re talking about putting limits on how many times you can visit the doc in a month, was a high number…
and i’m all for anyone being able to walk in to a doctor’s office and get care, and i like that it would no longer ’make’ people stay in jobs only for health care reasons……just think, people could end up in jobs where they can really use their talents to the best of their abilities if they didn’t have health care to consider….many have said that they would take less pay for a job they love than stay in a job they hate because of health care plan….
Campiagn Presser Q&A:
REPORTER: “Mr McCain, now that you’re on record extolling the virtue of private individual based health insurance, will you voluntarily henceforth forego your taxpayer-funded free lifetime coverage?”
…”I didn’t think so. I see. You’re ‘entitled’ to it.”
or get MARRIED for it
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..1757.story
I posted this downstairs and it belongs on every health care thread
industry must demonstrate profit to stay in bussiness, the more profit they better they like it
their purpose will be to deny a claim if they can get away with it, that is an absolute because paying an extreme cost for a patient gives no positive return
the government DOES get a positive return when they return that person back into productivity
they contribute to society, pay taxes, their family is more productive and pays more taxes and in the end the government actually makes more money by returning a laborer to productivity then it spends
the insurance company makes less money when it returns a laborer to productivity since they get no monetary gain from that productivity, that goes to the government
in other words, when a healt provider denies a claim they are funding their profit model from you and me, they have externalized their expenses on to us
Any limits will not apply to McCain and the people he really represents.
hahahahahahahaa
he STILL COLLECTS his Social Security!!!!!!!!!!
and why should ONE HUMAN BEING CEO collect one point six billion in pay?
in other words, when a healt provider denies a claim they are funding their profit model from you and me, they have externalized their expenses on to us
correcto
Hi Pups,
Doesn’t John Sidney also receive a 100% disability from the Navy?
yet this is not part of the discussion even among progressives, it is an important part of the equation that indicates precisely why private industry cannot be as efficient as single payer from the government
McCain’s “health care” proposal would subsidize health insurance industry profits while denying health care to millions and driving up insurance costs for those still able to get it.
This is a dazzling display of chutzpah. McCain reveals to the uninitiated how deeply in the hole he is to his lobbyists-working-for-”free”, and how little he cares for 98% of Americans. Apart from its many other problems, his “plan’s” most important failing is that it would decrease the availability of health care, not increase it.
Imagine the kind of America McCain thinks most of us should live in. Like Bush’s vision, it would be a mishmash of high-tech, unregulated 1890’s Robber Barons and pummeled would be unionizers, and medieval Europe, where criminality is measured by whether you float or drown in the village pond and where “health care” becomes a Pythonesque version of “bring out your dead”.
Really, I don’t think McCain thinks that far ahead. He’s stuck in bad fighter jock mode. He aggressively commands his immediate air space, but hasn’t a clue where the target is and or any idea how to get back to the carrier. He’s only thinking as far as winning immediate support from his lobbyist/managers (by opening the profit floodgates to their clients) and acquiring Bush’s Base (by pandering to their worst prejudices).
Old Man McCain desperately wants that to lead to the White House. Where would that lead everyone else? I don’t think he gives a damn. I suspect that’s a major reason he never won his first star, when his pappy had four. We’ve had eight years of that Freudian-induced reckless excess, thanks very much. Time for a change for the better.
he’s entitled to it.
Can anyone give me an answer?
My nephew (age 21) has had epilepsy his entire life; he is someone who needs to have uninterrupted health coverage. He works in a restaurant as a dishwasher. He takes home less than $10K/year. His federal income tax is obviously well below McCain’s proposed tax credit. How on earth would he be served by McCain’s tax credit plan?
Yep, and his Social Security exceeds the alimony he pays to the disabled wife who waited for hims to return from being a POW.
Getting married for the health insurance – that is precisely why my daughter and son in law got married this past fall. He’s an older college student and had no coverage; she had a job with decent coverage. They got married and this spring, he learned that the feds cancelled his Pell grant(and other aid got slashed because it was based on his getting Pell)because(wait for it…wait for it) the combined income was above the limit. He is now thinking about only going part time because he’s lost his financial aid.
a 21 TESTBLOOD.PANEL costs <7 d o l l a r s ……seven,the mark up is like to 200$
OT, I’m sorry Christy.
WHAT is going on in the House right now? And WHY is every one applauding the pResident’s cabinet???????!
does not mean he HAS to ACCEPT it….sheeeeeeeesh
im glad they have each other but to echo,the pukes
THIS IS THE RICHEST COUNTRY in the whole wide world…..blech
badwater at 88, sorry, i was talking about medicaid in reference to my prior comment…….
and my other points were just what i would like to see in a health plan..
but, you’re right, they’d find a way around it.
(am doing a few things at once, in and out of the thread sorry for not being clear)
What’s worst, I don’t understand the rationale behind it…AT ALL! There was a time when you could at least understand the logic behind most of what the government rules were, and you could work with it, or at least understand it. Not so today!
This is a dazzling display of chutzpah. McCain reveals to the uninitiated how deeply in the hole he is to his lobbyists-working-for-”free”, and how little he cares for 98% of Americans. Apart from its many other problems, his “plan’s” most important failing is that it would decrease the availability of health care, not increase it.
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well.they ALL,want to be as WEALTHY as him and the C—t!!!!
105 to perris,sorry
Selise (and other interested pups)
if you haven’t already, you may want to look up this guy’s stuff -
Loch Johnson – ‘Dean of Intelligence Reform’/Intel Historian – was Church Committee point man
here is his Amazon page
here’s the method of bringing the cost of these services down;
have the government provide the service, allow individuals to use private firms if they want
bing, private industry has to compete with a model that is not interested in profit, their charges must go down
that is the only way private industry can be more efficient then government service, when they have to compete against the government
me cannot figure out what you are opologizing for
without a doubt he’s entitled to it, along with the VA and his congressional coverage. he’ll never begin to comprehend what we the people
have to deal with.
im going back to bed
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Oil heading to $125, possibly $150 per barrel
by Chris in Paris · 4/30/2008 11:03:00 AM ET · Link
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The important point that jumps out in this video exchange is that the fundamentals are there to support a steady increase in the price of oil. The world has not yet hit a price high enough to have enough of an impact on pressuring consumption. CNBC flashes a chart showing per capita oil consumption and the US numbers are not even close to anywhere else.
The Republicans and Bill Clinton made it easy for Detroit to promote gas guzzlers and energy conservation efforts were pushed to the side and labeled as kooky. The other interesting comment is when Boone Pickens – a billionaire oil trader and not a failed businessman like Bush – says “there are plenty of refineries around the world.” This is from a Bush supporter and a very conservative Republican, contradicting what the GOP rolls out almost every day when giving their newest excuse for high oil prices. Bush is correct that there are no easy fixes for the problem, though blaming everyone else for problems the GOP created is just the usual “I didn’t do it” spin that we’ve seen since the beginning.
i really wanted to point that comment to earl,who i quoted,i screw up alot…”g”
i think he collects it so he can LOOK LIKE,an average joe
there is no reason what so ever, we must rescind the tax increases of the reagan administration
contrary to republican propaganda, reagan raised taxes he didn’t lower them
we need to talk like that too;
“the democrats intend to lower taxes back to the rates before reagan raised them”
man, that would drive the republicans off their rocker
Reason for the donut hole: political expediency. Get something passed that helped people up front before the next election. Whatever happens to them later is beyond the limits of the thought process.
I’m watching CSpan and there’s a joint session listening to Irish Prime Minister Bernie Ahert…
Big Ovations!
Maybe you seeing something else.
Love to see Robert Byrd sitting next to Nancy Pelosi.
What a guy!
he tries very hard in that regard.
anyone care for some more ribs?
this was the reagan model, steal from the middle class and ifrastucture, do not maintain your national assets, give those savings to the wealthiest people on the planet and force another president to pay those bills
that is the model bush uses to fund this occupation in Iraq, borrow borrow borrow, give to the wealthy as much as possible, let the democrat patch it up and take the blame
Oops, Bertie Ahern…
Thanks demi. Yeah, Byrd is one of my favs. He’s a national treasure.
Insane McCain is worse than Torturer Guy. I do not pretend he is a hero. In Viet Nam he murdered women and children, with terrorist bombing. Insane wants to continue murdering women and children for the next hundred years. But it is Ok if it is Blood For Oil, or Profits for the Health Industry.
the millionaire media crowd,DOES NOT PAY FOR THEIR …..gas…or healthcare,or travel expenses
and there is the thing, it’s not really blood for oil, it’s blood to control the flow of oil and make it more scarce
in other words, it’s “our blood to keep the world from having more oil”
no kidding, that’s what it is
off to work, see all later
Could someone get the following question in front of John McCain at a rally Q&A or future debate? :
Will John McCain pledge to forgo his government provided coverage (senate and Medicare) and take $5,000 at his age with his pre-existing conditions and commit to negotiating individually with an insurance company for coverage.
Since he clearly does not understand economics it would really be comical to see how far he gets, and if he then thinks his plan is a good deal for the American public.
This should be a commitment he makes whether he is elected President or not.
Since no sane Insurance Company would take this bet, accept for the publicity from McCain’s celebrity, we might want to require anonymity. Of course, we know Cindy will pick up all the Co-pays and Deductibles from her millions. It still would be funny to follow it through, to demonstrate how clueless this man is about the situation of the average American.
we are totally screwed i think,they will promote corp whore Hillary who will in my opine,LOSE to McGiggolo,just one gals opine
Has McCain never been to Costco? When you buy more at one time you get a lower rate.
The only thing you need to explain this disaster is to look at the rates shown on any statement you receive from your insurance. They show the rates for individual and family. The family rate is about twice the individual rate, and includes any number of children.
i saw a report the other night about how luxury items are a booming business now. Private jets, high high dollar homes, and jewelers can’t keep top of the line merchandise in stock, the most expensive of the expensive is selling out faster than they can replace it.
Meanwhile, we in this house are scraping to put in a wood stove before next winter to combat the baseboard heating.
Tax credit financing as advocated by McCain and Bush is a subterfuge. It’s used to persuade voters to favor a payment model that appears to help all Americans, but which only pays for a fraction of the costs they are nominally tied to. It does nothing for the most needy, who pay no tax or too little to benefit from a credit, and does little for the middle class.
As a sop to the wealthy, it works wonders. Its principal effect is to lower the already historically low share of overall government costs paid for by the wealthiest Americans, while generating savings, sometimes enormous ones, for individuals like McCain. The more tax credits the better, but only for the haves.
As a payment model, it becomes the Scarlet Pimpernel of tax savings, rescuing the wealth nobility from the tax guillotine. To paraphrase Baroness Orczy, you’ll see it here, you’ll see it there, that d’mned elusive Pimpernel.
One thing I’ve noticed is that some professions, like realtors, who are really independent contractors for the most part (it’s complicated to explain, but brokers are basically independent businessmen, and just because you work within a brokerage does not end your independent status unless you are an employee. Most realtors just rent space in their firms and work under the supervision of the broker for regulatory reasons, but they are paid under a profit split type situation.) have found a way to get group insurance rates through their professional organizations. NAR (National Association of Realtors) for instance offers insurance to members and pretty much all realtors and brokers pay membership dues to the association. I figure pretty soon (maybe even already, I’m not that active to know) they’ll be doing pensions and everything like this.
YACHTS are as big as continents…one i saw had I KID YOU NOT…a SUBMARINE on it…..
That’s where his ribs come from, but he probably sends someone to pick them up.
why is there a word “subterfuge”, there is no word “terfuge”, what is “sub terfuge”?, below terfuge?
Our wonderful Congreskritters passed an Energy Bill with STILL MORE subsidies for the Fossil Fuel Cartel. There was nothing for Wind/Solar/Hydrogen/Hippie solutions.
Our Health Care and Energy Policy is almost the same. Corporations Rule and Corporations Kill.
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yea me too,no more propane here
bye perris
yea the dark guy who hold his umbrella…he prolly marinates and preps,McSqirts ribs too
by dmac, thanx for reminding me I’ll get fired if I don’t produce
see later
The fuge is from the Latin word for fugative. Subter is old French for under or secret.
wow thats people power
by by
McThuesla wants to stay in EYERAK for 1,000,000 YEARS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..smemo.com/
the culling of America………. Stargate Atlantis!! Are neo-fascsit cons are the Wraith???
Over how long?
Hearing post is done on the Feingold hearing and going up. Just a warning — it’s long, so folks on dial=up don’t have a heart attack. It may take a little bit to load, but it’s better than trying to watch a hearing on video. *g*
loosely related topic -
while McIgotmine was in Fl stumpin on Healthcare yesterday, there was a sit in of his DC office by 20+ disabled persons – wanting to meet with the Senator about bi-partisan bill that would amend the Social Security Act to allow people who are eligible for Medicaid coverage of nursing home costs to spend it instead on home-based, or community care.
what caught my eye – “Mark Busey said he didn’t know McCain’s position on the legislation but would ask.”
Busey is his Chief of Staff
raw story
McGiggolo sure has the courage of his ignorance
Good snark. Here’s one back.
Those little bits in italics at the front of definitions in the dictionary reveal the secret. In the case of subterfuge, both of its parts of from Latin.
The “subter” part means secretly or beneath. The “fugere” part means to flee. It means dodge, trick, ruse, artifice, a deception done by implying one thing when saying another. Otherwise known as Bushspeak.
No, neither the Idiot-in-Chief, his Mal-administration, nor Congress get their coverage for free. They pay their share of the premiums out of their paychecks for coverage under the Federal Employees Health Benefits program. Some can, and do, decline to participate in the program.
Please stop spreading this inaccurate information around! No Federal employee gets free coverage, period.
good on you, sadlyyes. and another vow, NOT ONE DIME of the tax return $ will go in any manner to an oil co. that’s harder than you may think. we will spend ours on ALTERNATIVE options for heat and light.
Apologies if that wasn’t mean as snark. Your parsing was close. egregious and I have suggested the word’s origins and where to look for more info. TQ.
twas snark
same thing as “nonchalant”, there is no word “chalent”
strictly snark