John McCain yesterday described just enough of his health care proposal to illustrate why his ideological addiction to unfettered markets cannot solve America's health care crisis. Not only would it fail to cover everyone, his proposal could effectively strip millions of Americans of the employer-based coverage they now have without any certainty that what replaces it would work or be affordable.
McCain proposes that we replace the current employer-provided insurance system with individually acquired private insurance. It's analogous to Bush's plan to undermine Social Security and replace it with private retirement plans.
The proposal is premised on an ideological fantasy that competition between private insurance providers will lower costs while excluding only a few -- like the millions with preexisting conditions that Elizabeth Edwards talks about (h/t JimWhite) -- who McCain claims will be rescued with some still undefined plan the feds will negotiate with the states -- sorta like the SCHIP that McCain opposed? (h/t cbl2)
People are not likely to switch voluntarily from an employer-based system to individual policies, so McCain would force the transition; he'd discourage employers from providing insurance by repealing the current tax deduction companies get for their contributions to employee plans. McCain hopes that many companies would then cease to contribute to such plans, because it's just a cost with no offsetting tax incentive. McCain would then give each family a tax credit of $5,000 (half that for individuals) to help them purchase private insurance.
McCain claims this transfer would increase competition between insurance plans and thus drive down costs. But insurance companies already compete in offering plans to businesses for their employees; it's likely that cost conscious businesses are already doing a decent job of shopping for the most attractive plans. It's hard to see how competition for individual plans would be more effective, and we'd have to worry about scams, just as we've seen in the individual mortgage market.
McCain's economic advisers also claim his approach would not significantly raise government costs, but this assumes the proposed tax credits would cost the treasury only a few billions more than the current expense deductions for businesses. However, Kaiser Foundation estimates in the NYT article suggest that the typical cost of private insurance -- over $12,000 a year -- would be more than double the tax credit McCain claims would be enough. So there would be no guarantee that everyone covered today by their employer plans would obtain private insurance at all, or insurance of equal value.
The current system lets 47 million uninsured people fall through the cracks, because they're either not employed or their employer doesn't offer/help pay for insurance, or because private insurance is too expensive, or because they're not eligible for any of the government sponsored/Dick Cheney plans. McCain's tax credit might enable some of these to obtain private insurance, but his credit is probably not enough to reach most of the uninsured.
Moreover, being "insured" isn't enough, because insurance companies refuse to cover pre-existing conditions or decline payment for treatments they deem medically unnecessary or overpriced. Delays and hassles in securing payments also effectively deny coverage and discourage people from seeking needed treatment. In other words, the insurance companies ration health care and exercise market power to control their costs, while passing uncovered costs on to you. McCain essentially ignores this problem by assuming having insurance is the same as getting care.
The Republican bogeyman is that Democrats want government to control your health care system, but they neglect to mention that the current system allows profit-driven insurance companies to control it; they ration health care, deciding which treatments are covered and by how much. You have no more control over that than you would under a government sponsored program, but the insurance companies have no incentive to make sure you get health care; at least the government might be given that mandate, even if it were also assigned rationing/price setting responsibilities.
The concept that's still missing in our non-existent health care debate is that some institution -- insurance companies, government, or "the market" -- must perform these rationing/price setting functions. If "the market" McCain worships did this, rich people would receive all the best care they wanted and the poor would receive little or nothing, with everyone else somewhere in between. The result is not unlike what we have today, except we subsidize the very poor and elderly and the insurance companies act as profit maximizing administrators to ration care for the rest of us.
The bottom line: McCain hasn't even tried to achieve universal coverage, or even coverage for today's uninsured children. His mechanisms for controlling costs are ideological fantasies. McCain's tax changes -- from business deductions to individual credits -- would be a radical experiment, with no assurance it would work, serious doubts that it would be paid for, and no solution for the fundamental problems of relying on the private insurance industry to ration health care and control prices. It's extremely unlikely Americans would be better off, but quite likely the transition would be a mess. However, the insurance companies would love it.
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Morning Scarecrow. Great post. :)
Awesome post, Scarecrow. If we have a political brownout on energy policy, it’s a blackout on health care policy. We never will have an effective health care system while private insurance companies are using it as a cash cow. Take their cut out and create a single government payer and there is suddenly more than enough money in the system to provide health care for everyone. But since the insurance companies are spending so much of their obscene profits on lobbying this issue, it is politically forbidden to discuss single-payer.
here’s what’s happened;
the republican party has become liberataraians
the government can do nothing, period
“However, the insurance companies would love it.”
Combine that with businesses no longer having to worry about providing it, and you see the appeal to Republicans.
I had a long conversation with the very conservative CFO of my company about this something like five years ago. We were both in agreement that having insurance tied to employment was not an optimal situation - he didn’t want to have to administer the benefit, I didn’t think it should become a way to trap or enslave people in a bad job. He figured if everyone could go out and buy their own, they could “shop” doctors, and negotiate and bargain with the doctors to get the prices down.
I said the profit motive for insurance companies caused much of our problems, and that we needed to deal with that - because providing care is expensive, and if it is all about the profits, the care isn’t going to be the driving force, the not providing the care will be.
$5000 for a year of insurance for a family? What is McCain smoking?
According to the National Coalition on Health Care, “The annual premium that a health insurer charges an employer for a health plan covering a family of four averaged $12,100 in 2007. Workers contributed nearly $3,300, or 10 percent more than they did in 2006.2 The annual premiums for family coverage significantly eclipsed the gross earnings for a full-time, minimum-wage worker ($10,712).”
Judging from what happened to my health care premiums, I don’t think things got any better in 2008.
Thanks, Peterr, now I don’t have to go use the google. Because that was my first thought when I read that $5000 number - that’s barely going to be enough to pay for my *current* share, and I happen to know that my employer pays in more than I do - and that is just on premiums. If I have to actually start paying deductibles and copays, forget it.
Insurance companies will do everything in their not inconsiderable power to avoid paying for care. We’re constantly battling with them over things like necessary diagnostic tests, to the point where some of our docs have put the insurance company on notice that refusing to pay for a given test could jeopardize a patient’s life. Another problem is the high deductable plan. We have patients delaying or refusing things like diagnostic CT scans and laboratory work because of high deductables, and being treated with a scattergun hit or miss regimen of essentially unguided empiric therapy.
here’s the sick part;
libertarians don’t really believe private industry is more efficient then government provided “commons”, they want “the commons” “privatized” FOR THAT VERY REASON
when the government provides a service there is really no profit overhead and you get more people serviced at far lower fees
however that takes profit from the corporatist and they want those assets lost to the efficiency of the government program
however, without government programs the libertarian couldn’t survive a day
a libertarian will rely on the government to protect their profit and their property
so what’s really going on is the libertarian takes this position;
“the government programs that protect the people from the corporation are bad, the government programs that protect the corporation from the people are good”
this is the neo con philosophy, the fascist philosophy, the libertarian philosophy, the robber baron’s philosophy
the republicans have become libertarians, fascists, robber barons.
but everyone also needs to use the following in any discussion regarding the libertarian point of view;
“libertarians are anarchists”
if EVERYONE were a libertarian then the only rules we would want are those rules that benefit us, we don not want the rules that protect anyone but ourselves
and that is it in a nut shell
If a Republic is not calling for unfettered markets to solve problems, then he is calling for tax cuts to solve them. Of course, when elected, the Republic does nothing to solve the problems. Then, when an election rolls around, he’s back to calling for the same things. We need to wake up and stop electing Republics.
As long as we continue to “play around the edges” of healthcare(and energy as well), we will continue to see this sort of bandaid(tm) treatment. No one wants to do the hard work that it will take to go back to ground zero on what is needed. What is needed is healthcare - not health insurance coverage. As long as getting healthcare requires going through the insurance doorkeepers, people will not be able to get the healthcare they need, when they need it. Insurance companies are in the business of making money — not spending money. They will continue to want to reduce their risks as much as possible, which leaves the most vulnerable either out of the system or making the largest payments. As long as we continue to think that the healthcare system ‘requires’ an intermediary of the insurance industry, we are going to be stuck with doing this dance over and over.
But, but, but, Scarecrow, the media haven’t done enough phony handwringing and push-pastoring and breast-beating yet…. How can we possibly talk about a serious issue that has the potential to devastate a family? And/or bankrupt them?
Yes, but sadly, the insanity cuts both ways. The current pricing schemes for the providers have no basis in reality. Allowed costs are a very small percentage of the “charges” submitted by the providers. Also, for every visit by one of my family members, the provider seems to submit the same claim from two to four times. I can only surmise they do this because every now and then one of the claims gets paid twice.
If we wind up with a scheme as bad as McCain’s, I think the whole system will break down pretty quickly because most families won’t be able to pay the premiums and then they will be wiped out financially by the first set of “charges” when someone in the family has something of even moderate severity go wrong.
Yes.
North Dakota Blue Cross Blue Shield owns about 90-95 percent of the market in the entire state of North Dakota. You think they aren’t positively orgasmic over the prospect of McCainiac health “care”?
McCain on healthcare
“We must move away from a system that is fragmented and pays for expensive procedures”
Except for members of Congress and the White House, right, John?
Good morning everyone. Lots going on, and all ON TOPIC here. In addition to the usual diversions, we have Feingold’s hearing — live blogging comments are fine here. Gas taxes, farm bills, health proposals and don’t you just love how the economic mess was cause by the Dem Congress ignoring Bush?
Meanwhile, two more US soldiers killed as April toll reaches seven month high, and the Iraqis killed in our siege of Sadr City are in the hundreds.
Elizabeth Edwards speaks about the McCain healthcare plan.
part three of my point;
the reason private industry can’t compete with “the commons” is as follows;
“the commons” are services and products that everyone needs to use yet nobody would be able to afford the infrastructure or maintenance of that product or service.
for instance our interstate road system, no industry could possibly afford to build that and if they did they could not possibly charge a rate that would be paid by the average person if it reflected the costs of building it and maintaining it
yet everyone needs these roads in some form or another, (for instance the rail system if there were no automobiles)
since government can provide these services with no profit in mind it is always more efficient
another thing to consider;
industry bases the price of their product on what people will pay not on what that product costs to produce
commons are necessary so the amount people will pay will be exorbitant, and since there can’t really be competition with most commons products, they are to vast, it is usually monopolistic
services we need really cannot be provided by private industry unless there are government contolls over what that industry will charge and untill there is legitimate competition in that field
Let’s not forget that the most prominent of McCain’s economic advisers is former Senator Phil Gramm–the man who pushed through the regulatory change that allowed Enron to game the energy market driving up utility costs in states such as California to record levels.
All I can speak to is what happens in the tertiary care specialty practice where I work. Things may work very differently in a primary care practice, but I’m tabula rasa about that.
If you get a moment, I left you another energy related comment downstairs.
thanks. I’ve added the Edwards link.
fyi - to feingold SJC hearing, “Secret Law and the Threat to Democratic and Accountable Government“
the webstream is available at the hearing website:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=3305
this realplayer video link also works directly:
rtsp://avs2.senate.gov/judiciary
Off topic but in case you haven’t seen it here is an announcement about an important hearing today that appeared in Froomkin’s column yesterday. The hearing is on right now.
Secret Law Gets a Hearing
The Senate Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution will hold a hearing tomorrow on “Secret Law and the Threat to Democratic and Accountable Government.”
Secrecy expert Steven Aftergood, who is also one of the witnesses, writes in his blog: “‘It’s been nearly forty years since Professor Kenneth Davis stated in his seminal treatise on administrative law that “Secret law is an abomination”,’ according to a Committee announcement.
“‘The upcoming hearing will examine the extent to which this abomination is gradually becoming a common state of affairs, and its effect on our democracy.’”
Click here to find link to listen to the hearing:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=3305
something I know I am just about the only person mentioning but it really is one of the best points;
industry must demonstrate profit to stay in bussiness, the more profit they better they like it
their purpose will be to deny a claim if they can get away with it, that is an absolute because paying an extreme cost for a patient gives no positive return
the government DOES get a positive return when they return that person back into productivity
they contribute to society, pay taxes, their family is more productive and pays more taxes and in the end the government actually makes more money by returning a laborer to productivity then it spends
the insurance company makes less money when it returns a laborer to productivity since they get no monetary gain from that productivity, that goes to the government
in other words, when a healt provider denies a claim they are funding their profit model from you and me, they have externalized their expenses on to us
LOL. You beat me to it. LOL
yet mkkkain and the neo fascists are somehow allowed to claim this
is some kind of successMcBush needs to be asked a simple question.
“Why can’t the murkin’ people get the same coverage you do?”
Over and over again, until he actually answers it definitively.
but you gave much more info - thank you for the links.
i’m listening now….
oops, I was supposed to strike “surge” and insert “occupation” so it looked like this;
“and mkkkain and the neocons are allowed to claim this
surgeoccupation is some kind of successI’m listening to it too. I missed seeing the Froomkin column yesterday so I’m really glad that I looked at this morning.
Just like McCain’s 100 years in Iraq - his exact words need to be used against him:
“We must move away from a system that is fragmented and pays for expensive procedures”
well he’s partially correct on that, we must move away from the fragmented system and move to single payer
and that single payer must pay for all cinventional proceedures no matter how costly
this includes heart transplant and cancer surgery with recovery
I really despise Jeremy Rifkin. He’s always Johnny on the spot when the Bush administration needs someone to defend their lawbreaking. Pathetic.
Good lord is there nothing these idiotic Republicans wont try to destroy!
fyi, just in case it would be helpful - i’m back to doing a weekly hearing list for firepups (and anyone else who finds it useful). i stopped for a while because no one (or so it seemed to me) was paying any attention to committee hearings (primary fever). just click on my name. the more people use it, the more motivation i will have to continue it.
Yes, I think most individual providers are in the field because they want to help people. The primary care system I was talking about began as a university based hospital but now is simply another mega corporation seeking to maximize profits and is losing sight of the humanity.
yes, they won’t try to destroy the laws that allow them to keep middle class assets
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs -
damn Scarecrow - splashing around in the deep end with the wonks - fantastic !
fyi - Media Matters has launched a McCain Source site - here is the Healthcare page
Oops..I meant David Rivkin. Here is the list of witnesses at the Secrecy hearing:
“Secret Law and the Threat to Democratic and Accountable Government”
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226
9:00 a.m.
Steven Aftergood
Director
Project on Government Secrecy
Federation of American Scientists
Washington, DC
Bradford Berenson
Partner
Sidley Austin LLP
Washington, DC
John P. Elwood
Deputy Assistant Attorney General
Office of Legal Counsel
United States Department of Justice
Washington, DC
Dawn Johnsen
Professor
Indiana University School of Law – Bloomington
Former Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel
Bloomington, Indiana
Heidi Kitrosser
Associate Professor of Law
University of Minnesota Law School
Minneapolis, Minnesota
J. William Leonard
Former Director
Information Security Oversight Office
Leonardtown, Maryland
David Rivkin
Partner
Baker Hostetler
Washington, DC
TESTIMONY
MEMBER STATEMENTS
THE HONORABLE PATRICK LEAHY
That would be great. I listen to a lot of the hearings.
me too, christy got me hooked.
….
i don’t know how the administration apologists do it - how do they sit there and not just die of shame?
… aftergood of fas is up now (for an opening statement).
well, one area of healthcare that’s improving BECAUSE it is saves money, (guess the lives saved are incidental) is the reduction with the goal of eliminating hospital borne infections.
insurers are now leaning on hospitals to clean up their act, literally.
I am pissed off at the democrats for not jailing every single official who defies subpeona
Actually McCain’s position on healthcare is a lot like the one he has for the economy and politics. They all involve marrying an heiress with a $100 million fortune. It’s really simple. I don’t understand why more Americans don’t do it.
The following comment is not directed at the fine people who pointed out the scheduled hearings today but I’m all hearinged out.
That is, until I see Rove, Meiers or Bolton on the guest list.
Other than that it seems like no matter what grand revelation comes out of the proceedings all we get is a ’strong letter to follow’ that gets placed in the pile along with the ignored subpoenas.
I’m an addict too. But I can’t watch this one, it keeps cutting out on me.
if there were proper standards and regulations it would be mandatory not profit driven
man hugh, I hope hillary and obama read that bit from you and use it in their platform
Heh. You do good snark!
In real life, I translate for alien (possibly from outer space) wonks.
Thanks for the McCain Source link; I’ll add it to the post.
The problem is, he doesn’t seem to care how long it takes to get to the point where no troops are getting killed. If American troops stopped dying today, his comparison would at least make a little sense. However, by not defining when the 100 years begins (i.e. once troops stop dying), he is saying there should be no limit on the time it takes to get to that point. Therefore, the troops should stay in Iraq indefinitely. I think I’m rambling, now.
Me too. If the DOJ won’t enforce the subpoena’s I think Congress should have them picked up and held on Capitol Hill. With all of those rooms up there surely they can find a nice spot to hold them. LOL
aftergood: tells of story of congressional rep. being stopped by tsa for a pat down, she asked to speak to the supervisor and asked to see the regulation requiring that she submit to the pat down. she was told that she was not permitted to see the regulation as it was secret. under those conditions, she refused the pat down and was denied permission to take the flight. 2004.
secret law is not just a metaphor - it is a reality of our times. says his written statement has a list of other examples. [looks like a statement worth reading]
ahh, so that explains why you can always explain things to us in a way that makes sense.
Looks like Iran has cemented a war.
They dropped the US dollar.
Cue John McCain’s rendition of the Beach Boys classic……
-G
It explains why my ideas seem alien.
i agree it’s mostly kabuki aimed at convincing us that congress is doing their job, when in fact they are doing no such thing.
my hope is that by watching, i will get some glimpses behind the curtain. imo, we need to watch with a very skeptical eye.
Well, Hugh - there’s a shortage of those…just like everything else.
This may help: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/
I understand completely, and thank you for being the patriot my stomach won’t allow me to be.
lol.
and didn’t tom freidman do something similar?
lol!
OT—Glenzilla rips Brian Williams two or three new ones.
fyi - Stephen Aftergood - Director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists
name sounded familiar -
is the guy/group that sued CIA (among others) under FOIA to get Intel Budget figures released forevah -
ironically, Mary Margaret Graham - Dep. Dir Nat’l Intel Coll. let the budget figure ’slip’ in a speech she gave in San Antonio in 11/05
Caw! Caw! Scarecrow, great post! Apparently John McCain is not familiar with the fact that the group insurance rates that the companies pay is almost certainly cheaper than the rate that you could get for individual or family health insurance policies. But then, why would we expect a presidential candidate to know that!
I agree with you spacefish and that’s the way his statement has to be addressed
that he is in a fantasy if he thinks he can compare Iraq to japan, that he is a military moron to even suggest the two have anything in common
then we are talking in context instead of out of context
imo, aftergood is a national treasure.
Christy has a brand spanking new post up on the same subject!
Agreed. Addressing it more fully makes his statement even worse.
Sumpin’ from outta the past has put a strain on the brain of McInsane. He’s thinkin’ bout his health coverage as a POW.
selise, i have dial-up and no cable, but i pass the info on to others…….and i do read the list of hearings, so that i can pay attention to what is going on and align it with things i’m looking into…..helps me set priorioties and helps me to better direct my letters/calls sometimes.
also sometimes dig a little further into something that i would have put on a back burner, but if ’current’ i pay more attention to it….
thanks for your work. i appreciate it and use the information you provide…..same ’salutation’ to others who post and people who provide links to things
My family would be screwed under McCain’s plan. My daughter has Asperger’s, and she’s benefited greatly from speech therapy when she was younger, and now a great program put together by the Center for Social Thinking, which helps autistic-spectrum kids figure out the interpersonal world. The insurance company didn’t want to pay for any of this, but once we had an official diagnosis, they were required to pay, thanks to California’s AB88, which mandates equal treatment for physical and “mental” conditions, among other things.
McCain wants to eliminate state laws of this kind, and have “the market” handle coverage for people like us. Right.
i’m glad you find it useful.
can you not stream an audio only signal? i thought dial up could handle that?
yup, and that’s what progressives don’t understand, allow mkkain to say he is taken out of context and then punish him harder for the very statement the way he THINKS he meant it
Now in “assachusett’s” a “life tax!” The tax code is used as a gun to compel people to purchase health insurance from tax exempt corporations to the tune of 1300.00 a month? Jefferson warned of the corporate evisceration of America? Like being born with original sin??? WTF!!!
Meanwhile bend over and pay the oil man! This is a serious fuck up of revolutionary proportions. Are Americans to stupid to get it?????
selise at 75–sometimes i can, but haven’t figured out why it works with some things and not others……
older imac 10.2.8 can’t upgrade anymore.
for instance, can download the mp3 (only offer one show) at the diane rehm sign up for podcast site……which is the ’last’ show aired……right now trying to download jimmy carter show from yesterday, fourth try…..internet drops me, and last night accidentally signed off when i went to bed, minutes before it was donw.arghhhh.
and takes hours……so, usually do it at night after i check to see if it’s gonna ’take’……
the minnesota public radio station that someone posted during one of the hearings worked, i ’streamed’ it, and even though was ’stacatto’ i was able to get the gist of it….but have tried that at other sites and it won’t work……when it does work it is a link that isn’t labelled anything but ’listen here’ or mp3…..mp3 goes through i tunes program…..the other ones go through ’download’…..
so, i have been able to download audio, but is rare when it works, and if it is a link that works it takes many tries. but if it’s worth it, i do it…..
selise–example, jimmy carter on diane rehm yesterday, a one hour show…..i started downloading it at 9:59 am, it’s now around 11:45am, it’s only two-thirds done. fourth try since yesterday…and meanwhile, i’m tying up my phone. did one try overnight, but it timed out.
it was a great show, i want a copy of it bad enough to do it. so, had to tie up phone today, cuz as soon as her show is over today, the jimmy carter show will be replaced with today’s 2nd hour show…..this is the last try that i can do….
once that happens, can’t get her other shows, because they are on itunes, and i can’t do itunes website or download….
but i am going to visit family and friends tomorrow for a few days, am planning on using their computers for an hour or two and download a few things…..
as i say, i’m flyin’ a tri-plane here, but it looks good and still runs. but as my friend who built it for me says, it’ll fly good for you, just quit trying to make it fly like a jet.