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That's it. I've had it.
Rev. Wright will not get my vote in November.
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“So?”
So?
Swift Boat Liars weren’t running either.
You owe me a cokel.
Well yeah- but the Pentagon points out that we won 35 -4 and move on to the playoffs.
Thank you. Perfect.
I watched some MSM shit yesterday, it seemed like it was “All Wright, All The Time.” Really getting tiresome.
BS! Since this country has founded to the present day there has never been an issue as important as race in this country.
When the Pentagon goes back to releasing body counts of kills- you know that they’re in big fuckin trouble.
Not gonna fall for it.
Gonna grab the nearest “news” rag/e-address/phone and C.O.M.P.L.A.I.N.
REAL news! NOW! dammit!
The biggest issue facing the nation is “What race is Obama”? No one knows!
It was getting to point of how badly can you beat a dead horse.
The answer is clear: drill in ANWR and build new refineries, and oh yeah, make the tax cuts for the rich permanent.
Pretty badly- tha horse don care!
back downstairs - i think we agree way more than we disagree.
thanks for making me think. ;->
It won’t end until November 10th win McCain is declared the winner. The media has spoken.
Yes, but had we been around during the 2004 campaign, we would have mocked their lying idiocy mercilessly, now wouldn’t we? It’s not 2004 any longer, wurlitzer crewe…
Yeah, unless we’re talking affirmative action. Then they should just get over it.
Sure- you too.
When this bullshit is all over- the odds are that we are going to watch the inaugaration of President Obama.
That said, Rev. Wright needs to STFU now, go home, and be quiet for a while. I’ll bet the Obama campaign staffers are pulling their hair out in Indiana right now — a media blitz by him was the absolute last thing they needed…
Well, he won’t get my vote either.
Thank you, BT. I guess you heard me yelling at my radio yesterday:
Wright isn’t running for office!!!
When will Barack Obama hold Rev. Wright accountable for his contributions to global warming and the subprime mortgage crisis in this country?
Slight correction that I just KNOW is true in my heart of hearts.
We WERE around then, and in 2000. We just weren’t connected enough to know we had company.
Thank you for all that you do. ;->
well blue texan - you’ve nailed it!! its rev wright’s fault and like you i’ll not vote for him in november either!! this is all just a sideshow to take our minds away from bushco failures….. economy, job losses, iraq quagmire - its too laugh but its not funny
Yes, yes, yes. Yes.
Rev. Wright? STFU. Thanks.
Afterall it’s dead.
Hey Firepups please get behind this campaign to send a letter to you local newspaper to further our Veterans.
I know this is off the TOPIC here but our veterans need our support and EP’ed from below:
OTOH, for those of us who have brains and like to use it, doesn’t it help to show that there is indeed some distance and independence between Obama and Wright?
Obama is positioned to speak for all Americans.
Wright speaks for his specific community.
Just a thought, not a certainty, to float out there…
This is just a drive-by, but I really liked Jane’s words yesterday in the video about how Democrats will come together once we have a nominee.
How about starting an online drive for people to pledge now that they will support the Democratic nominee? The MSM has been all Democratic split all the time lately and we need push back on that.
Guilty as charged: I’m leaning as hard as I can in that direction.
Yep- they’d gladly pay for Wright to take a long cruise of a neighboring galaxy.
Oh, no doubt, and they’d have deserved it. I guess I’m saying that, to ignore the damage Wright has done to Obama is to do so at the peril of Democrats in November. I think much of the electorate is not as enlightened as FDL and will take this very seriously. To mock it is risky, I think.
If I were an Obama supporter, I’d get after Wright with both barrels, not try to dismiss it. But I think the damage is done. The GOP is going to use this mercilessly, and I think it would benefit Democrats to see the current trend and not do themselves in, as they are all too often wont to do.
that’s funny, bt ;). I guess Wright won’t get my vote either — i’m convinced!
I don’t think anything re: Wright at all helps anything. It’s one big f’ing distraction.
And they’ll keep giving him a mic and putting him on the teevee as long as he feels like it, because he’s a walking trainwreck/soundbite.
I do not understand what you are trying to say.
My point is that Reverend Wright and all the racial issues surrounding this story are important for us as a nation to discuss. This is precisely what Obama encouraged us to do in his speech in Philadelphia.
Someone who knows Wright needs to put a firm hand on his shoulder and guide him off the stage. Today.
Convenient timing indeed–for Clinton. So maybe there is something to that orchestration rumonr. Truly, tho, you’re exactly right, Christy.
Rev. Wrong hasn’t helped either Obama or himself or the black church he professes to be concerned about.
Juno, left you a couple replies on the last thread down in epu territory.
Fire either burnishes steel and makes it stronger…or it breaks. Obama will emerge from this stronger. He has the mettle.
I agree he’s a distraction for sure.
Now about that thing in Iraq…
Yes, but every time the Obama camp shows some distance, there is yet another new spate of Wright quots from which they have to distance themselves. It’s a viscious circle right now, being fed by media appearances that are helpful for Rev. Wright’s profile, but not for Obama’s campaign.
I’d like to see a Democrat take the WH in November. So, IMHO, Rev. Wright can put off his reputation rehab until after McCain gets his ass kicked, thank you very much. I’d say maybe it’s just me, but it appears Gene Robinson is on the same page today…
And having Hillary Clinton have to constantly deal with the marginal spill-over from this isn’t helpful, either. Obama supporters accuse her of being racist because she has to respond to racially toned questions (that somehow never really get much air time themselves), and surrogates are dispatched to try and find some useful campaign angle on this because it’s what they have to work with in terms of media play right now. The whole thing is a mess, and it needs to stop…sooner rather than later.
While I agree with your premise, I don’t agree with your solution. You don’t respond to the potential that the GOP will use this [of course they will] by giving up and falling on your back in surrender. Leastways, I don’t.
Hell no, I buckle down and get more determined. Democrats better, as well.
there there now, why don’t we just go have a liedown till we feel better.
ooohh. yer a sneaky lil’ thing! heh
There is always a tendancy to suspect that if a politician benefits from a certain flap- that they invented it….It’s a logical fallacy related to “post hoc ergo propter hoc”
The fact is that most things that benefit politicians come from their opponents kindly shooting themselves in the foot- which they are generous enough to do frequently.
how ’bout one a them stage-hooks?
The GOP has already been using it. Hannity has been working this angle nonstop on his radio show for months. They’ve ginned this issue up — and taken very personal potshots at Wright until he was primed to fight back against their tactics. They could not have timed this mess better than right now — because all eyes are on the Dem horserace.
“Yes, but every time the Obama camp shows some distance, there is yet another new spate of Wright quots from which they have to distance themselves. It’s a viscious circle right now, being fed by media appearances that are helpful for Rev. Wright’s profile, but not for Obama’s campaign…”
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Ding, ding, ding.
It’s a “viscous” circle as well, one in which the MSM keep slipping.
;)
Wright, like so many, “ministers,” is an ego-tripping blowhard.
Looking forward to November, McBush CANNOT win unless he’s in a position to say that the surge is working and that the killing is winding down..
The casualties this month are already the highest in seven months. A six month trend like this- and the election is over.
I think that’s exactly right. Way too many attribute to cunning and ability what is better explained by sheer stupidity and blind luck. *g*
It is time for Obama to throw Wright’s ‘different’ ideas under the bus.
A racist statement is one which attributes differences to race. This isn’t racism, which I believe requires a social group to enforce the attitude. Reverse racism simply doesn’t exist, but that doesn’t matter.
Wright has made a number of clearly racist statements, his world view is that Blacks are different than Whites, simply because of race. Be it learning style, musical style, right brain or left brain thinking. This is hugely bad, bad, bad.
Obama needs to specifically address each of these statements and denounce them, and denounce the thinking. He should swear to denounce these everywhere.
and there is that *g*
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[Edited by mod] The “damage” has been done to Wright-false and slanderous racist attacks. These attacks began by KKKarl Rove and his neo-con puppets.
In fact, the “Pastor Problem”, is nothing because they have nothing else. The real problem is “Racist Lying Corporate Propaganda Problem”.
[Mod: a friendly reminder to refrain from insulting fellow commenters]
It ain’t clear that Wright is in possession of all his marbles- the “whites invented AIDS to kill of people of color” is- well- a little loose in the logic department…He has said some things that can and should be defended perhaps- but NOT NOW.
Yeah, notice how “the Surge™ is working!” has quietly disappeared from the various spokesliars’ lexicon? Fortunately, gas prices have shot up, so they can substitute lying about how this never would have happened if those evil Democrats hadn’t blocked their expanded oil exploration.
I have no problem with Rev. Wright speaking his mind. It is the mindless media who smear him to smear Obama I find offensive. As I said in the last thread, on the network news we have the vapid Katie Couric, the “Give me my capital gains tax cut” Charlie Gibson, and the “Peggy Noonan loving, Elizabeth Edwards hating” Brian Williams to choose among and I have decided to not choose none of the above. This is not Obama’s fault. It isn’t Rev. Wright’s either. It a mudslinging Republican machine that is doing this because with their record of lies, failed wars, and failing economy, they got nothing else. It is also about an insane, inane media carrying water for the Republicans. In this Obama and Clinton face a similar challenge. They are not just running against each other, but John McCain and the media.
all massive distraction. Media interest in keeping the horse race going … Next Tue can’t come soon enough …
Yep.
“There is no scientific basis for the notion of ‘race’.”
- Craig Ventner, Celera Genomics
Where are all the mics and photo ops for the good rev. Hagee?
I think it’ll come down to the economy. The Republics are poised to blame all on the Democrats since they (barely) control Congress. So far, feckless leadership by Pelosi and Reid makes that look like a winning strategy for the Republics.
axelrod speaking - ooops obama speaking….
IOKIYAR
coming….
Same place the kept the ones for Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and Ralph Reed and…
rev wright’s being kicked to the curb….
Breaking:
Dunno if this is true yet.
Yeah- well if Wright keeps “speakin his mind”- Obama may as well pack it in and go home.
Wright should do his experiment in free expression AFTER the election.
Exactly.
Already getting a big push by Imus, this book may be what you’re lookin’ for, yellowsnapdragon
Indeed.
I do not underestimate the sleaze prowess of the GOP and its mouthpieces. But I also think Wright is ultimately responsible here and handed Obama a loss.
I do not see how Obama can overcome this, and I think the superdelegates should be considering all of this very, very carefully (and Clinton’s surge against McCain).
Hope they do THAT—they’ll get their asses handed to em.
Why are you so concerned for a candidate whom you don’t support?
Interesting. He may be keeping this alive for several more news cycles.
Bull!
I find it thoroughly disgusting and revolting how some Democratic voters internalize right-wing bull**** repeat the garbage as true.
I think certain folks hide their true motivations.
i’m relieved to know that i’m not alone in this hell that reverend wright has created for many of us. the last 36 hours have been pure hell. first, i burned my microwave popcorn which left a debilitating stench throughout the house all evening. brewster, my pekingese, continues to have the runs despite a diet that hasnt changed at all. i lost a guitar pick. its raining. the mint milanos have gone stale. to top it all off. im unable to attend the radiohead show in west palm on cinco de mayo.
if anyone had any lingering doubts about this man’s ability to negatively impact the lives of ordinary americans, this laundry list of bad karma should lay them to rest.
i will never vote for this man. ever.
I’d have thought Dems would have learned from the Swift Boat fiasco. Kerry was vilified for not responding fiercely enough. Now we’re back to wanting to chuckle smugly at the attacks and ignore them?
My focus is on the November election and getting the Democrat in the Oval Office, and I see this as a HUGE risk to that because I’ve not forgotten what works on the American electorate, and what I WANT isn’t always what WORKS.
And not every criticism or truthtelling about anything having to do with Sen. Obama is racism or race baiting! That is getting old.
Yeah, because that would make it disappear. If only he would reject, er, denounce, er, what is it he hasn’t done yet? Oh, yeah, he has to denounce the man, not just the statements and opinions he disagrees with, because that’s what normal people do with friends who make outrageous statements, right?
And then they can get on to talking about why he spent all those years not rejecting or denouncing him.
Face it, nothing is going to make this go away. Obama giving in and doing the unreasonable things demanded of him by the gasbags when he said he wouldn’t just makes him look weak, and lets them know that they can push him around.
Don’t get disgusted just cause I don’t agree with you –LOTS of people don’t agree with you- including Obama apparently.
A sage young man who used to work for me, wise beyond his years, once pointed out that the English language is in serious need of a word, a single word, that means “Shut the fuck up, and sit down!”
I’m concerned about November.
I’ve always felt that Obama’s candidacy was built on a house of cards and that it wouldn’t hold up, but I can genuinely tell you that I am sorry to see that it is his own pastor holding the sledge hammer. That is not a fair way to lose, I don’t think. But I’ve not seen a lot of “fair losing” or winning, over the last few years!
Bull. The corporate media have been talking about it every day since the first incident. Nothing will stop it.
And there is nothing wrong with anything Wright said recently. That’s a complete corporate media fabrication.
I can’t help but wonder if those here who are now so vehemently demonizing the Rev Dr Wright might well have been among those who demonized Dr King after his “Beyond Viet Nam” speech. How many of those here have actually listened to what the man has to say with the ability to filter out the rhetoric and extract the calls for peace, equality and social and economic justice?
I’m done.
In Italian, “basta!” would probably suffice. In English, what about “enough!” which is the translation.
Or an abbreviation of your proposal, stfuasd.
So sad, isn’t it, that magazines like Rolling Stone have the real journalists?
Why is it sad?
I’m sorry, but thus far, I’ve only seen one person come close to “vehemently demonizing” anything about Rev. Wright’s speech in the comment thread. Am I missing something where discussing the political advantages and disadvantages in a politically charged environment on a political website is somehow morphed now into a vehement personal denunciation?
There are two issues here:
1) Did Wright say true and important things
2) Is it good for the Obama campaign for him ta keep sayin em…
One can argue about 1). Some of what he has said may BE true and important- some of it (like the conspiracy theory on AIDS-) not so much.
But it seems pretty clear that it ain’t helpin Obama for Wright ta keep flappin his jaws.
‘Sheer’?
Stupidity;
Maybe it’s congenital but, some, surely, have to work at it, it takes practice and regular application … diligence, apparently, is rewarded.
Of course it helps if your ‘audience’ is …
Stupidity, I have it on good authority, reaches great heights, even, it has been suggested, to the very pinnacle …
Others suggest that, without stupidity, many would have nothing to look foward to, at all …
But the most compelling aspect of stupidity, is that one never need fear being alone, … there’s always company.
I wish, for the sake of national pride, that I could claim stupidity as a purely American attribute, but, alas, we are not exceptional in that regard.
But it may fairly be said that we appreciate it more.
Especially in our politicians.
But then, of course, they do represent our nation and its peoples well …
Someone, no doubt, will remark that the preceding is stupid.
(However, when in Rome …)
Are you seeing the conference on CNN?
Like now?
And your fantastic idea is to replace him with the candidate with the highest negatives. Negatives that have been sky high for a long time.
Brilliant!
Obama says his relationship with Wright has changed, because of this issue.
Then why the need for Obama to distance himself completely from Wright?
I think you’re onto something.
No.
With the only other Dem candidate in the race who is way ahead of McCain, is getting the Indie vote, and who has the momentum on her side.
I wasn’t sure until this fiasco, but I do see this as a mortal wound to Obama and therefore the Dem chances in November if he’s the nominee.
Btw, my ACTUAL brilliant idea would be for the Superdelegates, at the National Convention, to stand up and say, “We don’t like either of you. We nominate Al Gore.”
How’s that?
FYI, here is what Obama said about Wright in his FOX interview:
This is not comparable to the Swift Boaters because no libelous allegations are being made against Obama. In fact, no allegations of any quality are really being made about him, just about Wright. The press, of course, are dutifully placing the two next to each other, reminding viewers regularly of an association, and asking them to draw on their prejudices (I use that word in its most neutral sense) to make an unflattering conclusion about Obama. How does one “fight back” or rebut this? By defending Wright? By caving to pressure and further “denouncing” and “rejecting” him? I’m not convinced that Obama’s meekness and nuanced reasonableness isn’t as good a course as any other.
I think you are over reacting..
This isn’t good for Obma- but it’s happening early and he can probably survive it.
Most politicians survive MOST attacks- especially seven months before the election.
I wanted a question mark (?) at the end of this sentence: “…’denouncing’ and ‘rejecting’ him?”
As I have pointed out, KKKArl Rove began this attack last September, if not earlier. Many of the attacks against Obama have been racist. Certainly, the “Demonizing The Black Pastor Problem” is racist. Why do you let crappy New World Order journalists tell you what to believe. They are the enemy.
Obama was screwed either way on this, now he’s doing what HE thinks he should do. Too bad he didn’t appear here and ask us all what he should do.
Now Obama is taking out a baseball bat and thumpin Wright with it.
Pretty strong stuff.
On a lighter note, I can positively state that hell has frozen over. George Bush has lost my parents–both of them. They were absolutely part of his 20-25% base and they’re completely gone. That’s the only great news of the last 3 days. They also intensely dislike McCain (but didn’t like any of the other Rethugs) and intensely dislike Hilary. My market research tidbit for the day.
Certain people here are repeating the demonizing comments of the press as being true.
In order to
1) further the candidacy of DLCer Clinton
or
2) Another reason
“Mortal wound”, please. That’s utter bull and nonsense.
HRC talking point. . .oh sorry, McCain talking point.
A voice of calm reason.
Thumbs-up, Raven!
You keep saying that Clinton has the Indie vote but what data do you have for this. As I remember the only time you linked to a poll about it, selise pointed out that it contained only responses of registered Democrats. So where do you get this stuff? And how does it square with Clinton’s high negatives which I would think would be made up of a lot of those same independents you say support her?
I thought I would post this nugget for those concerned about the SuperDelegates as it relates to the Wright controversy:
Even since the Wright story exploded on “GMA” March 13, he’s picked up 45 superdelegates to her 11.
I don’t think he’s handling it badly. He did a GREAT job the first time around in my opinion. Too bad that Wright forced round two- but Obama is a pretty shrewd campaigner.
Talk of wounds would be better received if one’s own knives were not so clearly visible.