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	<title>Comments on: Where&#8217;s Liddy?  Tell Elizabeth Dole To Stop Racist Attack Ads Against Barack Obama</title>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stay the course, Mom.  Sounds good. ;-&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My son and I are very close.  He talks to me.  Our relationship is reciprocal.  Helps me a lot.&lt;br /&gt;
He does have the anger issues because the rest of the world doesn’t “get” him, including his special ed teacher, but he has has a few really wise teachers who have been very good to him.&lt;br /&gt;
His specialty is science right now.  He made an IMovie about Biofuels that has been submitted to a film festival.  His teacher is not a total dope, but I just want So Much for him.  He’s doing remarkably well, inspite of her.&lt;br /&gt;
He is my 3rd child, I had him at 42, so I have a few tricks up my sleeves.  I spend a lot of time advocating for him.  Why I only work temp jobs.  His 25 year old sister is also a good friend and support in this.  The 20 year old brother is off on his own journeys.&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe not climbing the walls, but it is challenging.&lt;br /&gt;
My son probably knows more details about politics than most of the adults at his school.&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you, thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son and I are very close.  He talks to me.  Our relationship is reciprocal.  Helps me a lot.<br />
He does have the anger issues because the rest of the world doesn’t “get” him, including his special ed teacher, but he has has a few really wise teachers who have been very good to him.<br />
His specialty is science right now.  He made an IMovie about Biofuels that has been submitted to a film festival.  His teacher is not a total dope, but I just want So Much for him.  He’s doing remarkably well, inspite of her.<br />
He is my 3rd child, I had him at 42, so I have a few tricks up my sleeves.  I spend a lot of time advocating for him.  Why I only work temp jobs.  His 25 year old sister is also a good friend and support in this.  The 20 year old brother is off on his own journeys.<br />
Maybe not climbing the walls, but it is challenging.<br />
My son probably knows more details about politics than most of the adults at his school.<br />
Thank you, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow.  Just looked up in wiki &amp; it sounds like home here.  Plus the age period, you must be climbing the walls some times.  Those books I mentioned are for younger.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any interest in music? sports? nature? history? any outlet like that to express that pent-up inner self.  I love the interest in the speech.  There’s a budding smart-guy there for sure.  It’s just very hard, I’ll bet, to cope comfortably with school routines.  Hang in there, both of you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am NOT a professional, just a mom with a MS in animal behavior, so file my comments appropriately.  I know some aspects were genetic from my half of our family tree (heh).  Right about at his age, our sonny &amp; I around our respective versions of that age led us to gain interest in such things also, a generation apart.  That’s why I suggest you just keep tabs and make sure a particularly riveting speaker doesn’t lead him off some deep end in some fashion such as anger he can’t “file” psychologically, without some background and guidance from you or some other adult with their head screwed on tight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Silly story time in the [more-knowledgeable-than-teacher] category:  Our son one time got into “trouble” with his 6th grade science teacher, for blurting out “in my back yard!” when the teacher asked if anyone in the class knew where the Continental Divide was located.  The mistake was HERS, for she failed to say WHICH Continental Divide.  She was thinking East/West, but didn’t say so; and he was referring to the North/South one, which DOES INDEED run through our back yard.  The teacher had too much false pride, so that was wounded a bit, and thus she wrongly remained aggravated at our son for awhile, even though he meant no harm.  Humans will be human.  Now, of course, it’s a big joke in our family lore.  Back then, he was hurt and frustrated.&lt;br /&gt;
Moral of the story, if there is one: stay in touch as well as you can; and, yeah, plenty hugging and sharing of thoughts can’t hurt.  It should bring you through this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our son never grew out of his condition, but he grew into a very sweet-tempered, understanding, extremely wise and learned adult, who works well with others (whew!).   Neither did I grow out of my “version”.  But I suspect your son has fighting chance to turn what is currently a bit of a trial into a great strength.  I hope you’ll stay in touch.  Sorry about the babbling on.  Another characteristic of my version. *sigh*  Tis why I often wait for EPU-land, so it’s not a bother to others… quite so much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.E.A.C.E.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Just looked up in wiki &amp; it sounds like home here.  Plus the age period, you must be climbing the walls some times.  Those books I mentioned are for younger.</p>
<p>Any interest in music? sports? nature? history? any outlet like that to express that pent-up inner self.  I love the interest in the speech.  There’s a budding smart-guy there for sure.  It’s just very hard, I’ll bet, to cope comfortably with school routines.  Hang in there, both of you.</p>
<p>I am NOT a professional, just a mom with a MS in animal behavior, so file my comments appropriately.  I know some aspects were genetic from my half of our family tree (heh).  Right about at his age, our sonny &amp; I around our respective versions of that age led us to gain interest in such things also, a generation apart.  That’s why I suggest you just keep tabs and make sure a particularly riveting speaker doesn’t lead him off some deep end in some fashion such as anger he can’t “file” psychologically, without some background and guidance from you or some other adult with their head screwed on tight.</p>
<p>Silly story time in the [more-knowledgeable-than-teacher] category:  Our son one time got into “trouble” with his 6th grade science teacher, for blurting out “in my back yard!” when the teacher asked if anyone in the class knew where the Continental Divide was located.  The mistake was HERS, for she failed to say WHICH Continental Divide.  She was thinking East/West, but didn’t say so; and he was referring to the North/South one, which DOES INDEED run through our back yard.  The teacher had too much false pride, so that was wounded a bit, and thus she wrongly remained aggravated at our son for awhile, even though he meant no harm.  Humans will be human.  Now, of course, it’s a big joke in our family lore.  Back then, he was hurt and frustrated.<br />
Moral of the story, if there is one: stay in touch as well as you can; and, yeah, plenty hugging and sharing of thoughts can’t hurt.  It should bring you through this.</p>
<p>Our son never grew out of his condition, but he grew into a very sweet-tempered, understanding, extremely wise and learned adult, who works well with others (whew!).   Neither did I grow out of my “version”.  But I suspect your son has fighting chance to turn what is currently a bit of a trial into a great strength.  I hope you’ll stay in touch.  Sorry about the babbling on.  Another characteristic of my version. *sigh*  Tis why I often wait for EPU-land, so it’s not a bother to others… quite so much.</p>
<p>P.E.A.C.E.</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was lifting up your words as more specific than what I had used.&lt;br /&gt;
Not “Others” who are jerks….the lamestream media.  Hadn’t heard that before.  Good one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was lifting up your words as more specific than what I had used.<br />
Not “Others” who are jerks….the lamestream media.  Hadn’t heard that before.  Good one.</p>
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		<title>By: SueTheRedWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SueTheRedWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There was more and apparently is was a bogus site:&lt;br /&gt;
On the other hand, one would assume that if the site wasn’t really approved by the government, it would have been shut down. But some research unearthed the fact that this site apparently is not exactly what it claims to be. In fact, although you won’t find the info on the site itself, the blog of Emery Martin, the person who runs the site, reveals that it is actually a thesis project.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Thesis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Thesis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The blog states, however, that ”The Neighborhood Network Watch will operate as if it were an actual government backed entity along with actually carrying out collections of real data and doing actual analysis on this data to create statistical results.” So what we have here is a college student masquerading as a government approved organization, telling people to illegally access other peoples’ networks and communications and fooling them into sending that information to him. Yet even though he’s obtaining personal information through a fraudulent web site, most phishing filters do not flag the site.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many references to the site on the web show that a lot of people have been fooled by it. They’re outraged at the government for ”endorsing” such a program - which may very well have been the intent. The Register did print an article last month that exposes the site:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Unmasked&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Unmasked&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not amused. Claiming to be affiliated with the government when you aren’t is lying in my book. That Martin hides under the cloak of an academic project doesn’t make it any less dishonest. His blog states that one of his goals is essentially to make people angry with the government: ”Since the NNW operates as if it were a government agency it will bring to the forefront the methods and tactics used by these bodies to disseminate fear and exercise social control.” If that’s what he wants to do, he should expose real examples of real government abuse, instead of perpetrating fraud on the public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What do you think? When you first saw this site, did you think it was legitimate? Did it make you angry that the government was supposedly encouraging citizens to engage in illegal spying? Would the government be justified in shutting it down, or at least forcing the owner to remove the false DHS endorsement and history? Should the owner have to post a prominent disclaimer on the site itself identifying it as a spoof? Should the owner be charged with a crime for collecting personal information contained in email and other captured traffic under false pretenses? Or is the web a no-man’s land where ”let the buyer (surfer) beware” is the only rule? Is it okay to make false claims on a website, no matter how outrageous? Tell us your opinions at &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:feedback@wxpnews.com.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;feedback@wxpnews.com.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was more and apparently is was a bogus site:<br />
On the other hand, one would assume that if the site wasn’t really approved by the government, it would have been shut down. But some research unearthed the fact that this site apparently is not exactly what it claims to be. In fact, although you won’t find the info on the site itself, the blog of Emery Martin, the person who runs the site, reveals that it is actually a thesis project.<br />
<a href="http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Thesis" rel="nofollow">http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Thesis</a></p>
<p>The blog states, however, that ”The Neighborhood Network Watch will operate as if it were an actual government backed entity along with actually carrying out collections of real data and doing actual analysis on this data to create statistical results.” So what we have here is a college student masquerading as a government approved organization, telling people to illegally access other peoples’ networks and communications and fooling them into sending that information to him. Yet even though he’s obtaining personal information through a fraudulent web site, most phishing filters do not flag the site.</p>
<p>Many references to the site on the web show that a lot of people have been fooled by it. They’re outraged at the government for ”endorsing” such a program &#8211; which may very well have been the intent. The Register did print an article last month that exposes the site:<br />
<a href="http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Unmasked" rel="nofollow">http://www.wxpnews.com/B3CGG1/080429-Unmasked</a></p>
<p>I’m not amused. Claiming to be affiliated with the government when you aren’t is lying in my book. That Martin hides under the cloak of an academic project doesn’t make it any less dishonest. His blog states that one of his goals is essentially to make people angry with the government: ”Since the NNW operates as if it were a government agency it will bring to the forefront the methods and tactics used by these bodies to disseminate fear and exercise social control.” If that’s what he wants to do, he should expose real examples of real government abuse, instead of perpetrating fraud on the public.</p>
<p>What do you think? When you first saw this site, did you think it was legitimate? Did it make you angry that the government was supposedly encouraging citizens to engage in illegal spying? Would the government be justified in shutting it down, or at least forcing the owner to remove the false DHS endorsement and history? Should the owner have to post a prominent disclaimer on the site itself identifying it as a spoof? Should the owner be charged with a crime for collecting personal information contained in email and other captured traffic under false pretenses? Or is the web a no-man’s land where ”let the buyer (surfer) beware” is the only rule? Is it okay to make false claims on a website, no matter how outrageous? Tell us your opinions at <a href="mailto:feedback@wxpnews.com." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:feedback@wxpnews.com">feedback@wxpnews.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: juslin</title>
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		<dc:creator>juslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;???????????????? - me dont quite know what you’re saying to me demi&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>???????????????? &#8211; me dont quite know what you’re saying to me demi</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Peterr has &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/28/if-the-secret-service-can-apologize-to-wright-so-can-the-media/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted a message&lt;/a&gt; about how the media can apologize to Wright if the Secret Service Can.  Should be interesting!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peterr has <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/28/if-the-secret-service-can-apologize-to-wright-so-can-the-media/" rel="nofollow">posted a message</a> about how the media can apologize to Wright if the Secret Service Can.  Should be interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;demi - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;think you had already left the threads the day I posted this for you&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daniel Tammet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.optimnem.co.uk/blog/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
his blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>demi &#8211; </p>
<p>think you had already left the threads the day I posted this for you</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet" rel="nofollow">Daniel Tammet</a><br />
<a href="http://www.optimnem.co.uk/blog/index.php" rel="nofollow"><br />
his blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;when I said  convergence of emotion and other’s selfishness, you can edit &lt;strong&gt;Other’s &lt;/strong&gt;with what you said:  &lt;strong&gt;the lamestream media….&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Just for clarification.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when I said  convergence of emotion and other’s selfishness, you can edit <strong>Other’s </strong>with what you said:  <strong>the lamestream media….</strong><br />
Just for clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: juslin</title>
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		<dc:creator>juslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lets hope that’s so…. its about time people stopped swallowing bullshit masquerading as “NEWS”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets hope that’s so…. its about time people stopped swallowing bullshit masquerading as “NEWS”</p>
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