The primary scheduling battles faced by both the Democrats and Republicans are of long standing. As Kos pointed out the other day, back in 2004 Michigan's Carl Levin tried to cow then-DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe into letting Michigan hold an illegally-early primary, only to be forced to back down by McAuliffe. (McAuliffe, ironically enough, now supports Hillary Clinton and allowing Michigan's delegates to be seated.) Even better: In January of 2000, Michigan Democratic leaders actually did schedule an early primary, in direct violation of the rules they had agreed to earlier -- and both Gore and Bradley, as is the normal custom, pulled their names from the ballot, thus leaving Lyndon LaRouche to duke it out with "Uncommitted". The Michigan Democratic Party lost no time in holding a do-over caucus in March, and were thus allowed to seat their delegates at the convention later that summer. (Michigan's continued insistence on breaking previously agreed-upon primary rules may likely be why the penalties for breaking them were upped this election cycle from merely losing half a state's delegates to losing them all.)
Things didn't have to be this way. John Nichols of The Nation described last January how we almost had a sane (or at least saner) primary scheduling system back in 2000 -- until Karl Rove blocked discussion of the proposal:
Unfortunately, even if most of the political class is disgusted, a few key players can still thwart action. After all, it was Karl Rove who effectively created the current crisis when he blocked a Republican task force proposal to restore order with a rational and competitive primary schedule. Under the so-called Delaware Plan, the smallest twelve states would have chosen delegates in March, the next smallest fourteen in April, the next thirteen in May and the remainder in June. The schedule was designed to assure that the majority of delegates would not be chosen until the end, increasing the chance that a long, serious race for the nomination would play out over four months.
The Delaware Plan was to be debated at the 2000 convention, but Rove canceled it. "It had nothing to do with the merits of the plan," explained former Wyoming party chair Tom Sansonetti, who headed the task force. "It was just that the convention was scripted, and there was no room for a floor fight on whether or not the Delaware Plan should be adopted or whether the party was going to stay with its present system." The general sense among political insiders is that had the GOP embraced the reform, the Democrats would have done the same. But when the Republicans stopped talking about repairing the process, the discussion died.
That's the bad news. The good news is that there's an even better proposal that the Democrats can adopt at their upcoming convention in Denver: the American Plan.
FairVote supports the goals of the Delaware plan, but prefers a variation of the proposal that would not always put the states in the same order. We have come out in favor of what has been dubbed the “California Plan,” but which we call “the American Plan,” as it would likely give all states an equally influential role over time.
How does it work? Like this:
Under the American Plan, the primary season would be divided into ten two-week periods. In the first period, any combination of randomly selected states (or territories) could vote, as long as their combined number of electoral votes added up to eight. The territories of American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, which do not hold electoral votes but do send delegates to nominating conventions, are counted as holding one electoral vote each, as would the District of Columbia (The 23rd Amendment states that the District may send delegates to the Electoral College, as long as it does not have more votes than the least populous state.). In each subsequent period, the number of votes contested would increase by eight. As a result, the early campaign would feature contests in several small states or a few larger ones, becoming more and more demanding as time went by.
Because of the large gap between populations of the most populous states, California - the state with the highest population - could vote no earlier than the seventh period, while the second most populous state, Texas, as well as New York and Florida, the third and fourth largest, could vote in the fourth. California, unlike all other states, would always have to hold its primary toward the end of the campaign. To remedy this, the later stages of the California Plan primary are staggered. The seventh period (8x7) is moved before the fourth (8x4), the eighth (8x8) before the fifth (8x5), and the ninth (8x9) before the sixth (8x6). [1]
The American Plan is most strongly supported in California, even though that state would under the old thinking be seemingly screwed by voting last. But thanks to the voting being staggered by population, late primary states under the American Plan have just as much clout as early ones.
It's long past time to fix our broken primary scheduling system. The American Plan is the best way out there to do it.
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Congrats, Kirk.
I like it, but I think it should be called The Patriot Plan.
who’s brillant idea was it start the primaies early anyway?
OT– Did anyone else see Michelle Obama last night on CSPAN delivering a speech in Indiana last Friday I think? She knocks my socks off. Strangely enough, however, the Obama website does not have a page for Michelle’s speeches.
Anyone know where one can find a list of links to Michelle’s speeches? I’m impressed by that woman, and what she says about her man Obama. I think Kiddo and his lady in OK would approve.
Bob in HI
Did you try CSPAN archives?
NH has historically voted fairly early. Iowa got involved with their caucus when Jimmy Carter used it as a springboard for publicity to jump start his campaign as a “one-term Governor from a small southern state.”
Since Carter in ‘76, other states began to get jealous of the supposed economic impact/benefit to Iowa and NH and have pushed things to happen earlier and earlier, leading to the various “Super Tuesday” primaries where large numbers have a vote in early/mid February.
And so it goes.
Hi Bob,
I did see her on C-Span. She really is awesome and gets the crowd going. Maybe she should be the one to talk about the Rev. It’s shameful what the MSM is doing over this. The Rev made some very stupid statements today. I watched the whole thing on C-Span. The questions asked him were just stupid and insulting. Something like the ABC Debate. I am getting so sick of this crap on TV. Some nights I lose sleep. The only place I know of to hear all her speeches should be on C-Span in their archives.
How about the “every vote counts” plan where the whole nation votes on the same day…say SATURDAY.
OT - Did anybody rad the latest on the PA primaries and th voting irregularities on BNrad Blog. ? Doesn’t look good for the Clinton Camp
man, so this only the fifth month. seems like it’s been over a year :/
Spelling Brad Blog. LOL
Kiddo and Lahoma…if you are lurking….luv you…
Michelle Obama is…well…she’s all that…all that…
I’m not taking sides…just saying what I think…okay….I was never afraid when Bill was the President…wish Nafta hadn’t evolved…but…well…hmmmm…
What I will say is that, I want the daggum “truth” from whoever is going to be President. I don’t want slick spin or BS. Tell the truth!!! Facts or get out. I don’t care what religion someone is, or what color someone’s skin is, or whether they are a woman or a man. I want the truth at all times…
We have not been served well by this administration.
I like this American Plan. People are clever.
That is so funny…I was looking at that and going…who??? Bladbrog, broadlag…sounds familiar…Oh…yeah…*G*
i think that your best bet is to google. i remember one of the feminist of color blogs had quite a few of her speeches but I would be hard press to tell you which one it was. If i rememebr or run across, I will post.
She is awesome, isn’t she?
Here’s the link to Michelle’s speech at CSPAN.
agreed but can they also not threaten the nuclear thing?
They’re (the complaisant media) trying to ruin Obama because he did say he’d go after people in the current administration if they committed criminal acts.
Hi OKK and Lahoma.
Enjoyed your post today, Peterr. Didn’t have time to get into the comments then.
Because then:
1) No candidate would get near the 50% plus 1 threshold of delegates.
2) The most well known and best funded candidates would wind up leading and eventually buying the nomination.
3) Candidates would totally ignore small states to preserve money and the perceived better “bang for their buck” companion to large media market ad buys
4) And we would wind up back to the back room deal making by the party insiders.
I’m sure I could think of a number of other reasons a single national primary day is a bad idea but these should do for a start.
*wondering where my manners are*
Great post PW, I like the plan. But I’m sure that New Hampshire and Iowa will throw a fit
will throw fits
Fixing the primary system during a presidential election year is like trying to pass tax legislation a month before an election. No matter how appropriate the changes proposed may be, the dynamics of the election cycle will trump appropriate policy decisions every time.
To get this proposal taken seriously (or any other), a special convention should be held next year, solely to address the primary election cycle.
Actually, after this cluster of a primary season, they might not. They will still be among the first to go, but other states will be equally important.
Many thanks.
I have a hunch we haven’t exhausted the topic of Jeremiah Wright and the media.
Haven’t seen a post yet on the Supreme Court decision allowing states to require ID. I have mixed feelings, and would love to hear/read arguments.
No one is going to nuke anybody…I saw a couple of months ago…somewhere on my surfing travels that the threat of “nukes” was going to be the Puke scary tactic….We’re all gonna die…..any minute…Argh….well, any one of us could die any minute….any one of us…in a tornado, or a flood, or a car accident…we are going to die….sometime…that is a fact, and also the most scary thing for humans…hellooo…they are pulling out all the stops…we’re gonna die..Duh…that is how they control people with “fear”…Hellooo…
So?!!! Yer dead, yer dead…then you don’t care….they can only “scare” the living….Hellooooo….
Fear tactics..
I say, get in their faces…So!!!???
They are “way” too “greedy” to nuke anybody…this is BS. They have a “wealth” agenda at our expense.
And…they are chickensh*ts….if they were really not “scared”…they would have served….but they didn’t…but…but…but…McBush did….
Now, that is scary….I’m not sure he’s scared.
Better to be scared and cautious, than reckless…vengeful, old, and dead. No?
DC has 3 electoral votes - why should it get counted as if it has 1 ?
As a resident of CA, I like the idea of having a say in the nomination more often than once a generation.
I also like the idea that everything is not decided based on results from Iowa and NH.
I like your nom de guerre…! ;-)
Exactly. And while the states are grouped in three cohorts, the order within the cohorts isn’t fixed, so no one state is always first or second.
What is the process for randomly selecting states? Who does the selection? Does this require agreement between the parties? And does this agreement have to be reached every election cycle?
The nice thing about the Delaware plan is its simplicity.
Though I know that simplicity is not generally one of the virtues of American electoral systems.
PW, thanks for your post - please point me to the DFH chpater of the America Plan supporters.
And PJ, I’m with you.
Imagine - without the frakkin Iowa
ritual social intimidationcaucuses, Prez candidates wouldn’t have to swear homage to ADM, ethanol subidies, and Farm Bill subsidies for Industrial Ag.Why, of course, Yes.
But, on the other hand, maybe 3 people said No.
I never made the debate team, can you tell?
Actually, as part of the Speech Communication Department, I did know the debate team.
Enough to have learned Bodies on a Flow Chart.
(I was in the Readers Theatre division.)
Smart guys on the debate team, tho.
Dang, you and LS had me scanning the comments for OKK and Lahoma…! 8-P
EPU’d on previous thread:
For those of you unhappy with fact-check, might I suggest an alternative?
Introducing:
The Politifact Truth-o-meter
Now, back to your regularly-scheduled thread.
What are your feelings about the decision?
I heard the arguments for having photo ids was to prevent fraud.
That’s a laugh.
As long as we’re cleaning up the primary system, why don’t we go whole hog and get rid of the worst defrauder of the American electorate, the Electoral College…! ;-)
Voters must be registered to vote. Voter ID creates an additional layer of bureaucracy that will prevent voters from voting. The majority of them will be democratic voters. Voter ID is just another Republican dirty trick to add to voter harrassment, road blocks, vehicle inspections on election day, electronic voting machines, insufficient quantities of machines in poor districts, and etc.
the true superdelegates…I think an incremental approach would be most likely to succeed. First we fix the primary system, then the Electoral College.BTW, Phoenix Woman, thank you for bringing this plan to our attention. I think it’s great.
How do people identify themselves when they register to vote?
Do they need to have photo id when they vote, or is other type of id okay?
I am aware of voter fraud tactics.
But, you’re right.
And, I’m Not Laughing.
It was just a figure of speech.
It really is despicable for lack of a list of other words.
The “primary system” is a product of the individual state Democratic and/or Republican parties. Which means that to “fix” it is a function of party politics at both the state and national levels.
The Electoral College however, I believe, would require a Constitutional amendment as it is a product of the Founding Fathers of the nation.
Depends on the individual states to determine what is necessary, some places a utility bill in your name would suffice, in others, an official state or federal ID is necessary…!
In California, I didn’t show any ID to vote in the primary, Super Tuesday in February.
I coulda been some black guy who was in prison! (the FLorida scam in 2000).
Yes. This is a big part of my recommending an incremental approach.
That’s exactly what is necessary, like the one to have Senators ‘popularly elected’, which used to be up to the State Legislatures to ‘elect’ the Senators…
One side seems to think people who are poor don’t have ID’s because they don’t drive, and it would be expensive to get the ID’s. I worry, though, about republicans getting the names and addresses of people who have not voted by say 6:00, and going in to vote as though they are that voter.
I’m not sure Democrats could ever come together under such a subversive-sounding plan.
The American Plan! What kind of Osama bin Laden nonsense is this?
Point!
Thanks! Bookmarked.
I am sick for the American people.
I am sick of the spin.
Somebody, anybody, please pry their eyes open so they can SEE.
We are doomed, if this does not happen.
Namaste.
Dude, we should start calling it “The Rove Plan”
Watch their heads explode as they vote for it.
I’ve never been asked to show any ID. (California)
same here.
and we’re a big state!
In Texas you can automatically register when you get your driver’s license renewed or get it for the first time. Of course they have your photo and your thumb prints because you had to have all that for the license. But in election season voter registration forms are everywhere and require no ID.
The 17th amendment, which passed in 1913…!
What is the dem response to it? I don’t mean the cries of rage rather what actions are we taking or going to take?
neither have I but then again I have been voting by absintee ballot as of late
From EPU’ed land.
I guess now that the SCOTUS has upheld the Indiana law requiring an Id at the polls we now now announce that the Republican Party is the party of Voter Suppression.
We need make sure that the good people of the United States are aware that the Republicans want to take their voting rights from them!! Another RIGHT we are losing in this Class Warfare being waged by the Wingnuts!!
If we all went to mail-in ballots, like in Oregon, then we wouldn’t have to show ID to vote. But that would be too easy, wouldn’t it?
IIRC, registering when you get your Driver’s License was due to a bill early in the Clinton era. It was an attempt to make it easier for everyone to be able to register to vote. And I think there wee other government or quasi-government dealing that are also supposed to allow folks to register.
All the usual suspects opposed the bill for all the standard reasons.
Neither have I just who I am… But now we vote by mail early so it doesn’t matter to us. The Democrats should now concentrate to get as many voters to request either absentee ballots or in California you can register to always Vote by mail… makes life easier!
I would like it if Michelle started talking about not having a plane of her own.
My understanding is that dems generally do not want voter ID.
This country with all of her taxes, etc. it should be easy-peasy to vote with a ballot box.
That’s all; a ballot box. No purple fingers, just a ballot and a tax bill and if’n they want us to get a photo ID, well then.
easy, peasy.
good grief!
Riff raff.
I vote absentee too.
So would I, but I think Barack is intent on taking the high ground and will encourage her to do so as well.
The ‘Motor Voter Act’…
That’s because most of the mechanisms requiring voter ID smack of the old Jim Crow “poll tax.”
Evenin’ all !
Aloha, Dood!
I cannot remember a time when I did not have to show an ID here in FL.
((( CT )))
How’s life in Paradise ?
The Taliban recliaming the North of Afghanistan? Iraqis dying by the scores? Strong Iranian influence in Iraq? Most US casualties since November of 2007? Bush admitting to authorizing torture? Rove meddling in two different poltical trials?
Pshaw!
Let’s talk about the importantist thing of all Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s sermons!
-G
How long did Katherine Harris have sway over that?
She’s the one who messed it up there, if I remember.
They call thee Plain Kate,
And Bonnie Kate,
And, sometimes, Kate the Cursed!
Word. It sucks being an ATM state. Just wish Iowa and NH didn’t get to be first every year. This is the first year the primary arrived in California where there was actually a choice.
But that is total bs, imho.
Why not require a national ID to vote?
Why can’t we make it cheap and affordable?
What is the problem?
Is this about our failure as a country to get our citizens more involved than our immigrants?
sheesh!
or is because our citizenry does not give a rat’s a**?
Rainy! ;-) I’m now the anchor case in a federal class action suit against HUD…!
You idea would make way too much sense for American politics. Besides by, staging primaries over several months it gives the media, and, the myriad pollsters and consultants a chance to rake in big bucks with political ads. But your’s is a grand idea. Why not get really radical! Since the public owns the airwaves, lets make all political ads on television and radio free (within certain pre-established limits). Cable and satellite networks being private would of course not be covered and paid ads would be allowed, which means we would have to takereform even further and restrict the amounts political candidates could spend on elections, and, end third party so called issues ads. Whew, too much reform I think.
I had to show an ID but don’t think it was necessarily a picture ID. IIRC, a utility bill with my name and address also fit the ID definition when I was in Apollo Beach.
okay then what do we do to counter this attempt to prevent people from exercising their right to vote? vote by mail? absintee?
Psst.
The Republican Party supports pederasts.
Pass it on.
-G
Hey GregB !
What’s great is how ‘the good guys’ are also getting caught up in the spin …
yep.
spot on as usual, GregB.
Yes, and I couldn’t get the link to work.
Thanks,
Bob in HI
Absentee! And yes that’s an excellent way… I personally assist a handful of elderly in obtaining them and delivering them…!
Exciting commercial lede for 11 o’clock local news, “The prostitute who took down the governor of New York is suing - find out more at eleven”.
(Incidentally, she is suing Girls Gone Wild.)
Evening, Petro!!
Dang, I just searched youtube for howard dean on meet the press. Interestingly, I only found the recording from someone claiming HD was lying, but the video was removed by user. Nice way to float the allegation out there without evidence…
I went and looked at the 30 second ad. I think the spirit of McCain’s remark is unaltered by editing esp. since the question he is responding to is left intact.
The asker was upset that Bush said we would remain for a very long time. McCain responds it’s aok with him. Only after viewing the gaping mouths does he add the out of harm’s way qualifier which makes no sense at all.
Voter ID is investing scarce resources in a problem that doesn’t exist.
Indiana Democrats challenged the GOP to produce one case of voter fraud when they introduced — and passed — the stupid law the Supremes validated today.
They produced no evidence.
“Voter fraud” was invented by Karl Rove’s predecessor in voter suppression, William Rehnquist of Arizona. Yes, that William Rehnquist. It’s how he made his bones in the Arizona GOP.
Investing government resources in voter suppression (and that’s what voter ID is — voter suppression) is more Disaster Capitalism at work. Solving a problem that simply
does.
not.
exist.
Sorry for my O/T at 93…
I tried googling. Some of Michelle Obama’s speeches are on YouTube, but there seems to be a 10 minute limit or something on that, so like her Delaware speech is in 7 segments. Her UCLA speech, which I also saw when she gave it or soon after, is also impressive, and its on YouTube. The problem with the CSPAN archives is that her speeches are not catalogued under her name, but under the event, so her stuff is hidden from easy searches.
Cheers,
Bob in HI
What? Anchor case?
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
Time for TDS & Colbert … catch y’all later !
Ms Harris was a hired gun…once she had served her purpose, they dropped her. In 2006, when she ran for the Senate, I kept waiting for her to get mad and freak out on all the Republicans that walked away from her, after giving them the WH like she did…hopefully, a lot of the trouble here is fixed-the same bill that moved the FL primary also gave us paper-trail voting.
Silver lining and all that.
Thanks!
Bob in HI
I agree.
The principal case to challenge a HUD policy…! ;-)