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The RNC is really losing its grip over the new DNC ad of John McCain making his "100 years" in Iraq comment. I don’t quite know how, but a clip of John McCain uttering this statement himself is supposed to be "false and defamatory." They’re demanding CNN and MSNBC not run it.
The whole thing must be testing just horribly for McCain. I was on PBS’s To the Contrary with McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer yesterday, who did her best John McCain temper impression when the comment was mentioned.
Atrios was right — it makes them instantly and inexplicably irrational. Nancy starts repeating "factcheck.org" like McCain made the comment in Chinese or something and people couldn’t understand what he meant without a translator.
Use "100 years" and "Iraq" in the same sentence and I think people get the idea.
North Carolina bloggers will be delivering a letter to Liddy Dole, telling her to stop the RNC attack ads against Obama. You can sign the letter here. And if you’re a kossak, please go recommend Hekebolos’ diary on it — jh
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So, Jane!
McBush is building ammunition—to be used against him- by November dems won’t know what to fire first.
I get a “this video is no longer available” when I click on it.
McCain’s maccaca moment.
Beautiful day in Bizarro world, idn’t it?
LMAO.
100 years in Iraq and warmongering…Kablambo..pop goes the temper cork…heh, heh, heh…
The video is no longer available for me, as well.
You can watch the ad here while we wait for Jane’s link.
I don’t get the video either…
Great Ad
Short and to the point- relies on McBush’s words. Will be cheap to run too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk
or here if it’s different from yours.
Has anyone asked the Clintons how long they expected the US would be maintaining troops in Iraq when they voted for the Iraq war without reading the NIE?
Ditto!
If the DNC runs the ad and it kicks the shit out of McBush- I’ll break my promise and send em money before the convention.
Is “the hundred year war in Iraq” the new esotericism? We peons just don’t understand the hidden deeper meaning that only Repugs grasp. Billy Boy Kristol is esoteric, that we know, because he tells us all the time. He and the Kagans are among the chosen to rule the earth. They are perfect.
I guess trollop is the new esoteric as is c..t. I wish I had McCain’s brillaint insight so I can see with his great depth. Oh hum!
I agree that “McCane” is himself false and defamatory.
I love this quote from a YouTube viewer ProleFeedTV:
The more I see of the senile old fart the more I think America would deserve what they get after 8 years of Bush and still enough fools to vote for McCain. I’m sure Diebold will help as much as possible but, seriously, if it’s even close enough to be stolen then you might as well stick a fork in this country.
What would it take for all Republican heads to explode?
And if his father and grandfather weren’t grand poobah’s in the Navy .. I doubt he would have finished that high
I couldn’t to get the video to play either. But the commercial can be seen here, at the Minnesota Monitor site.
One good sneeze.
Video, what video?
We are living in 1984, Part Deux.
So, will CNN bow to their wishes?
Of course, Rs can’t be made to look stupid by ising their own words. That would never do. /s
I’m just watching David Gregory’s new show (missed which Superdelegate Clinton got), but there is something I wanted to bring up. Why are people saying that Obama is elitist when it was Hillary Clinton that insisted on putting her darling daughter in a private school when they went to the WH? I haven’t any idea where his daughters go to school, nor where they will send them if they win, but I sure know that the public schools weren’t good enough for her daughter. Carter’s daughter attended the public school; he made a point of it. Said if the public school isn’t good enough, we need to improve them. Hillary is the elitist of the two; not Barack, IMO.
I don’t know. The ad says that the war only cost 500 billion. I’ve heard Bush say it cost more than that. And shouldn’t they put some count on the Iraqi dead by now?
The bigger question is, will they run it, ad nauseum, giving the DNC free air time while demanding it be denounced harder or better or something, like that misleading ad in NC?
Nah, I didn’t think so. The DNC will have to pay for every microsecond of air time they get.
Kind of like Bush, without George H. W. and Prescott before him. Funny, you’d think the American experience was founded upon a break from the tyranny and despotism derived from a dynastic ruling class but it just seems to keep leaching into the mix. The from robber barons of old to modern day Bilderberg participants, we just can’t seem to get away from the insidious concept that absolute power corrupts absolutely AND it’s a gift that keeps on giving, from generation to generation.
BTW, Jane, if you have any pull, we don’t get To the Contrary on cable here in Phoenix commercial area. Don’t know why.
You have to be some kind of nutcase to make a social point out of your child’s education. Parents who don’t send their children to the best schools they can afford should be called to task for it, not applauded.
While we fix our technical difficulties, CHS has a great thread up top.
Has McCain ever tried to clarify or restate his 100 year statement?
an African American lesbian as President –
entertained myself at family gatherings for years watching the ditto head in laws go in to spasms at the mere mention :D. it was the best repellant evah!
Wow, I have to disagree with that. Perhaps from a very specific perspective you’re right. On the other hand, communities fall apart if they aren’t actively nurtured. Public schools need students and families from across the socio-economic spectrum. We had no qualms sending our kids to Berkeley public schools – a mixed bag, to be sure – but no regrets.
I give credit to people who choose to send their childre to public schools. I enjoyed teaching in them for six years.
The Clintons sent Chelsea to a Quaker School. If I had a chance I would have sent my kids there only I’m on the other side of the country. She received an excellent education along with values often missed in public schools.
So you’re saying only the poor and the stupid should be left to public schools, so it’s okay to mismanage the school system? I don’t think so. I think the schools should be upgraded and the teachers held to high standards. I took my kids out of public school and put them in parochial school when they were in fourth and sixth grades because they were unable to read and write (at least, I couldn’t read their writing!) Within a year, both had vastly improved. That doesn’t so much speak to the fact that they were in a high class school (they weren’t; tuition was $100 for the first child per year; only $10 extra for additional children. The school was ethnic Croation btw,) but the fact that the public school had very low standards and simply didn’t teach. Their teachers, though, were very interested in passing their responsibility to teach off to the parent. IMO, that’s inexcusable! That didn’t happen in the Catholic school, incidentally. They expected you to parent; not to teach.
I seem to remember that on the Moyer’s interview, it was mentioned what Wright’s ranking was in his graduating class, too, and I remember being really impressed. Wish I could remember what it was, but I thought it was in the upper 10%. They’re just racking Obama due to his relationship with Wright!
Current profile of Sidwell Friends School that Chelsea attended. It is expensive for those who can afford to pay. I’m sure the Clintons didn’t get any special deals.
2004-2005 school year: 1,091 students (563 boys and 528 girls) are enrolled
38% of the student body belong to ethnic minorities
21% of the student body receives some form of financial assistance
The School employs 145 teachers and 98 administrative and support staff.
Tuitions for the 2007-2008 school year are $26,790 (prekindergarten-grade 4) and $27,790 (grades 5-12).[1]
The school never releases its SAT average scores or college admission list.
The school does not rank its students, as that conflicts with the Quaker Testimony of Equality.
Sidwell was founded in 1883 by Thomas Sidwell. Its motto is “Eluceat omnibus lux” (Let the light shine out from all; it can also be translated as “by all,” and alludes to the Quaker concept of inner light). All Sidwell Friends students attend Quaker meetings for worship weekly.
Granted, public figures have concerns about the security and privacy of their children.
Why, some of our best friends send their kids to private schools…
fyi: the episodes are available via podcast on the show’s website:
http://www.pbs.org/ttc/podcasts.html
The tuition alone reeks elitism! I’m quite sure it’s a very good school. I just think that public schools should be improved greatly. Carter sent his daughter to a public school to set an example and because he also believed that public schools should be brought up to a higher standard.
I was going to say thanks, but then I tried it and I realized that I have no idea how to get a podcast! How does one use it? It doesn’t seem like something from You Tube or C&L or any other video I regularly use. Any help would be appreciated.
Video still broken….Dam was hoping to see a rethuglian pulling his hair out!!
Darn, I was looking to get a ReZed…
hooozah!!!! the post is alive and well *g*
Dang, EPU’d…
Woo-Hoo! Go,Conyers, Go!
Conyers to torture memo author: Testify voluntarily or face subpoena
Conyers (D-MI) sent letters to former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John C. Yoo, Chief of Staff to the Vice President David Addington, and former Attorney General John Ashcroft.
In each of the letters, Conyers provides a May 2 deadline for response or, he says, “I will have no choice but to consider the use of compulsory process.”
The three officials have offered various excuses as to why they are unable to testify, but Conyers said those excuses are not good enough.
Link
Well I love the FDL logo on screen! I think I used to watch this show, until my PBS station quit airing it.
When I was a kid, I went to a co-ed grammar school, but the girls played on one side of the school and the boys played on the other. So, there, and elsewhere, I’ve had occasion to observe boys’ playground behavior. It always really pissed the bullies off when you used the same rhetoric on them that they used on me (which is why I only tried it a couple of times before realizing that my life depended on my shutting up). So, McCain and his “advisors” are acting just like the bullies on my childhood playground. Go figure.
mccain is saying his statement is taken out of context and I agree
even though in context it’s just as bad, never the less it is referred out of context
mccain carves the exclusion, “so long as americans are not getting hurt” and he compares his statement to that in japan
so in context he’s not saying he wants to be there for 100 years given the same conditions we have today
but why in context it’s just as bad is the fact that we are not occupying a country that doesn’t want us in japan, in Iraq they want us gone
there was once a chance they wouldn’t want us gone but cheney and rumsfeld deliberately undermined that scenario when they allowed the infrastructure to be destroyed, when he put the entire Iraqi military out of work, when he made electricity, water and gasoline a rare comodity
so what he said in context is even worse in his lack of knowledge then what the quote is saying out of context
May-be one?
Wow–time travel. We’re back.
he will defy subpeona, the administration will invoke executive priviledge and we all all yell and scream
repubs can say things plainly… and often get away with it… while Dems are often accused unfairly… and can’t get a break!
What is wrong with this picture?
the only two things conyers and congress can do that will mean anything at all would be to jail all those who defy subpeona starting with meyers
and impeach the entire administration
neither appear to be on a table that seems to not exist
Inherent contempt would get Yoo to blab…! ;-)
only if they use it to jail the man
they are not willing to weild their power, they are remiss and have renegged their oath to defend and protect our constitution
Wow. Just watched the whole bile inducing video. Words coming out of McCain’s mouth shows Obama’s character???
jeez!
yes, didn’t we know…obama is a ventriloquist..he can put horrific things into McNobrain’s mouth.
Jane, how did you control yourself from reaching across the table and throttling Nancy? Amazing self restraint…! ;-)
Jane Finally saw the video… I was still hoping so see the Rethuglian pull their hair out… We can keep them screaming all the way to November just by saying 100 year WAR…. 100 Hundred year War 100 Hundred year War! 100 Hundred year War! OVER AND OVER again Oh and that the party of Lincoln has become the party of VOTER Disenfranchisement and suppression!
Poor reich wingers. The truth hurts like salt in a wound.
I noticed her hands folded together…good move! Admirable, admirable self restraint without holding back the damning facts.
Jane, you were far and away the most articulate person on that show.
Woohoo!
Keith leading with the Wright story. Let’s see where it goes.
i didn’t see mcsame’s original 100 years statement. (my fault for not following the campaigns). is there a nice long clip somewhere so that i can see the context and judge for myself?
thanks!
Jane– thanks for getting our three cents in on McCain..it really seemed as if all the effort was focused “Obama’s in trouble”. I’d much rather hear info on what a flipflopping warmongering wombat McCain is. Thank you for keeping things on target.
Stay in Iraq for 100 years…why not…
Iraq for 100 years…no problemo
50 years…why not 100…
Mwahahahaha
.org yourself Nancy…Pfuffenfluff
Jane,
Finally got video to work. You are superb, collected, calm and enjoying yourself.
The camera likes you.
More, please.
The people will like what they see; and they will hear what you have to say as well.
As for the two on the ‘other’ side … creepy, just creepy …
That question about whether Obama can win a general election because he lost the Pennsylvania primary is absurd.
New York is not going to be up for grabs in November. Jeez.
100 years
Warmongerer
Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
100 years
Warmongerer
Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
Political discourse is past dumb and no one seems to want to break or even question the paradigm. I hope that we are more intelligent than that but then again, people voted George Bush into office
McBush took Goldwater’s senate seat. Goldwater was turned into a persona non grata by bein labeled as a war monger. McBush seems to have taken more than just the seat…
Adios McBush.
Yeah, but now they’d rather go to work than to war…oh, yeah, and feed their families, and keep their houses….times are changing…
Yeah- that IS absurd- but the fact that he trails McBush in Ohio and Pennsylvania is NOT absurd.
[watching the video] First thought: Hillary appeals to right wing (male & female) money right now. It wouldn’t surprise me if that’s where most of her $10 million raised the other night came from.
Okay, back to watching video…
it’s on youtube.
I went to factcheck.org. yikes. every time I searched on mccain’s name, “oily words” came up about Clinton and Obama. Also, I saw that Viveca Novak is one of the board members or something. Run away!
They have a fact check with a link to the McCain thing.
Here’s a story from FactCheck.org she probably doesn’t want us to look at, even though it mentions McCain and context:
Could be the Rush factor too to some degree….they want to set her up bad..I hope it is not actually the Rush factor, but it could be….
Besides…when are they gonna get Rush for inciting a riot in Denver…and telling people to fraudulently vote…
I cracked up too with the factcheck.org pushing the McCain woman was spouting. Why couldn’t she say what McCain was really saying instead of telling listeners to go research it themselves, when everyone has seen the video and saw him saying he could care less if we’re in Iraq for 50 or 100 years!
I’m tired of right wingers. Anyone else?
*raises both hands*
I think Rush is making an impact on neocons in the states where the primaries/caucuses are being held. Hey, the neocons, as one of my readers said recently, have the “Children of the Corn” syndrome, so when Rush needs something done, they go out and do it walking shoulder-to-shoulder. LOL
It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of her money is coming from wealthy right wingers across this nation. They want her on the ballot so they can finish off the Clintons once and for all. Sick twisted freaks.
Obama is REAL competition for Hillary and McCain. This is why everyone is afraid of him. He’s only worth $4 million dollars and to the elitists, he should be cleaning up their tables after them and not running for the presidency to change what the elitists have done.
Nancy Photentot resembles McCain’s Lobbyist girlfriend. Perhaps she would prefer to defend the Bombaran karaoke performance.
Why oh why do we need to have more debates? hillary, no more debates. Just go meet with the locals, talk to them, listen to them and let them cast their votes.
http://www.dailytidings.com/20…..s/0…
The pictures don’t do it justice. As one drives down the main boulevard, the flags start out on small patches of grass, then increase as the university lawn increases. Flags everywhere, and they only have 1 flag for each 5 dead (white for Iraqis, red for Americans), think if they actually had a flag per victim… a very overwhelming memorial!
Just think what it will look like in 100 years. We wouldn’t have the space to do many more so each flag might represent 100 instead of 5.
Yeah, no kidding!!
But I’m posting what he McCain said right here:
At best, it is self contradictory. Not to mention tone-deaf. “hope it’s ok with you”…uh, has he seen ANY poll numbers about the war?
Newsweek Story linked earlier in the day outlines McBush’s problem. He wants to appeal to both the sane and the neocon branch of the gooper party- which means that he has to both love and hate the Iraq war….
His problem is no accident- it’s built into what party he belongs to. He has to be gung ho- veins in his teeth on the one hand- and attempt to sound half sane from time to time on the other. Would be a challenge for a candidate who was NOT too old and too stupid to be president.
Does every McCain worker need to look like Cindy? It’s the Stepford Campaign!
that about sums them up, doesn’t it?
All depends on what you think is ‘best’ don’t it?
veins in his teeth… LOL
From Factcheck.org:
“Is it true that even though John McCain calls himself a Republican, he has sided more with the Dems than with the Repubs? March 8, 2008
Not true at all. He voted in support of President Bush 95 percent of the time last year, for example.”
Say it loudly and say it often! McCain has voted for 95% of Bush’s policies and this is why our nation and the occupation of Iraq is so screwed up! He’s a reich wing neocon hell bent on taking over the planet to make himself feel like a King!
Couldn’t resist a tribute to Arlo
Go look at the MyDD page the upper left and right corners have graphics, which change daily, showing the two GE races polling at present.
Me?
I’ll stick with Jerome on this one.
Believe it or not, I got that from Glenn Beck. He calls his listeners that and it’s the only part of his show I agree with. LOL
i found it. (at least i think it did).
gotta say, if i just watched the correct video, and boy do i hate to say this, but i think wingnuts might have a point – the dnc ad doesn’t reflect what mccain really said (which was bad enough).
what do you-all think?
Yep, here’s the “full” quote from FactCheck’s website:
Of course, as many people have pointed out, McCain fails to give us the context of HOW we get to the point where “Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed”. He and his Neocon buddies have no clue of how we will ever get to that point, so I think that keeps his comments in the realm of advocating endless war. Also, do you think he would keep the troops in a non-combat status if he thought al Quaeda was “training, recruiting and equipping and motivating people every single day” there?
That is my take.
I’m dismayed that people in this day and age have to try to “take out” somebody with BS…
I am dismayed that we have come no further in our evolution than to seek and destroy…and kill..and go to war…and destroy peoples’ reputations…and demonize people who don’t look like “us”…no matter who we are….
I’m just beginning to accept that real peace and goodwill in the world won’t happen in my lifetime….
BTW…4 pending dead soldiers in Iraq.
It is the highest loss of soldiers since September….Goddess help us….
The RNC is really losing its grip over the new DNC ad of John McCain making his “100 years” in Iraq comment. I don’t quite know how, but a clip of John McCain uttering this statement himself is supposed to be “false and defamatory.” They’re demanding CNN and MSNBC not run it.
I bet the GOP has polling on this statement by McCain. I bet the Polling sucks we need to repeat this OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL ELECTION DAY.
I forget who Jon Stewart was interviewing but he (Stewart) was saying that Bush likes to pose as a “I’ll fight you any time, any where (as long as I choose the weapons, the playing field, and write the rules). Goopers want to choose who they are running against.
The 100 year thing is a testimony to McBush and how he approaches issues. If he wanted to say that he supports long term US presence in Iraq- that would require a lengthy build up, explanation, and some qualifying. Instead he just blurts it out. Should be a very good predictor of what kind of president he would be..
READY—FIRE—-AIM!
I thought that the whole goal of the surge was so that we could get out. That’s what it was “sold” as…to allow enough space for there to be political reconciliation and then the Iraqi Army could “step up”. Thyen we could leave. That’s the “bill of goods” Bush pushed.
And now McCain is asserting we’re gonna be there 100 years?
It really doesn’t matter if the troops are there under fire or not…it’s absurd.
Furthermore, I recall that Congress has, several times, voted AGAINST the establishment of permanent bases in Iraq. So where, precisely, is this interest in remaining present permanently and perpetually in Iraq?
He said “100 Years in Iraq”.
And maybe if he clarified things a bit more for us, since he never REALLY said how long he would accept troops being there FIGHTING? Two more years, five, twenty? If the level of conflict doesn’t abate to, say, five a month…in a year…would he withdraw. What level is TOO MUCH..since he seems to, in his statement, think that “peace” is the condition for REMAINING. How much war would be the condition for DEPARTING?
OH yes. The “volatile part of the world” is volatile because of the right wing American Taliban (GOP) presence there!
Yep. He’s very contradictory as you pointed out. ;-)
Sorry I did not see any adverse reaction or “head exploding” as you say.
The DNC add against McCain was a poor choice and weak.
1950’s…He is living in another reality….
Stuck.
i think that’s a fair analysis – but that’s not what he actually said, which is what the dnc ad purports to show.
I think that the American public is sick of “endless war” and those who pay attention know that Bush’s game is to have no end game. Endless war.
To say we’ll stay forever as long as we don’t get hurt is just plain stupid, tone deaf, and he DID say it. All by his little self. Either context is against the will of the american people. IMHO.
ack, glenn beck. we should come up with an acronym for him as the mere sight of his name is bile inducing
We need to get McCain to explain his Secret Plan for victory in Iraq. We need McCain to explain why he thinks he can win when Bush could not. We need the press to start covering Iraq again.
Here’s the other thing “I don’t care if it’s 100 years”
Well then do you care if it’s only four years? Two years? What fuck DO you care about…
As president you wouldn’t be sittin around how you felt about things like that- you’d be DECIDING.
I don’t think McBush has the faintest idea how to be president.
Well, you beat me to that one by a long shot. I’m just too slow typing these days.
Stealing a line from a friend:
*Touches clown nose sadly…
three tornadoes hit Virginia. oh dear it looks bad 200 injured
That makes him the perfect choice for the GOP, which doesn’t have the faintest idea how to be American.
again – don’t disagree with your analysis. but the dnc ad is not about an analysis – it’s about quoting mcsame.
we’ve just been through this from the other side with wright’s statements. it’s not right.
mcsame is a crazy dangerous warmonger. i see no reason not to use honest tactics.
“On Monday, 30 Iraqi lawmakers from various political parties urged Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to end the monthlong confrontation, saying innocent civilians and children were the main victims of the fighting.
“Yes, you can do it if you remember your own children,” said a joint statement read by Mustafa al-Heeti, a Sunni member of parliament. “Your people (are) are demanding of you to intervene and solve the crisis peacefully.”
Their appeal came after U.S. forces, backed by Abrams tanks and Bradley armored personnel carriers, fired on insurgents positions in Sadr City. The military said 38 militants were killed. Iraqi health officials said 58 people, including five children and eight women, were injured.
The fighting erupted after militants took advantage of a sandstorm to unleash a barrage of 107 mm rockets and 82 mm mortar shells at the Green Zone, which includes the U.S. and British embassies and some key Iraqi government offices.”
http://ap.google.com/article/A…..wD90B3BCG0
Stop it!!!
McCain doesn’t even need to “flip-flop” on these issues. Because he’s a “maverick,” he can just be a “maverick” on his own positions! Now that’s a real manly, maverick, kinda guy.
Jim, I would say the biggest point being left out is why the hell we went in in the first place. The neocons not having a plan to get out now is just a diversion for them to prolong being there. Their whole intention was to get one military boot on the ground in Iraq so they could capture the oil and then pretend like we’re at war over there, meaning…
“The Iraq occupation is nothing but a Mafia pizza shop…it looks like a “pizza shop”, it acts like a “pizza shop”, but really, it’s a front to launder money through” ~ KayInMaine (moi) ;-)
McCrazy knows this, but it’s easier to say, “Hell, we have to stay. They need us. They can’t function without us. We’ll stay their for 100 years as long or as long as they want us to”. Yeah, like they have a choice at this time! Spit. Staying is easier than leaving and we all know how lazy the right wing of this country is.
I’m rambling again…
I know what you mean. The first syllable of his Scooby Do voice makes me cringe too.
See jane go, go jane go!
100 years of war means that we are already defeated, I mean Iraq is a third world country maybe second world as far as their army is concerned and somehow we need 100 more years to beat them?
No we do not need a 100 yrs of war we need to fire a few Generals and replace a Commander and Chief!
They don’t have the transcript up yet but on CNN this evening there was a lively discussion about McCain’s 100 years comment. Wolf was pushing the argument about how McCain says it was taken out of context and miracle of miracles Jack Cafferty and Jeffrey Toobin pushed back HARD. Gloria Borger was trying to cover for McCain and both Cafferty & Toobin went after her. It was great. I think she was taken aback that they wouldn’t let her push her BS. LOL
Ah, I must confess I haven’t seen the DNC ad. But I believe the Cindy Look A Like was claiming that Factcheck says that it is the McCain line that is most often taken out of context.
It may be the most quoted, but is it always taken out of context? And besides, the point is…we want out. Period. Troops Out. I don’t care if it’s called war, occupation, administrative support, or what. Get the F Out. And McSame isn’t saying that.
Not mad at you. Just mad.
Exactly ThingsComeUndone!
The Rich are going to pay for this war if we can be firm on that one point we can end this war.
McCrazy will be dead within the next 10 years or so, so being in Iraq for 100 years doesn’t concern him. What an elitist!
Wow, that IS something! Thanks for sharing that.
Please get the transcript if you can I like good news.
I also don’t need a fifteen month deployment to know that if I don’t know who I am supposed to be “beating” I would end up in a mental ward. I mean, what exactly is my assignment? To make peace with people we are trying to “beat”? It makes no sense and I’ll watch my buddies die. What an insane meatgrinder Bush has set up. You know, the guy who gets McCain’s vote 95% of the time?
I think he’s one of those guys that have never left the realm of the Vietnam war …
I wonder what McCrazy talks about with Rev. Hagee? I bet they say things like, “Hey, wouldn’t it be cool to bomb Iran, Israel, and Syria just for shits and giggles? Yeah, yeah, it could bring Jesus back earlier than expected!”.
Thank You!
This is McCain’s “I’m not tempermental” tactic….
You are very relaxed..your eyes are getting heavy…I just want the world to be like it was during Leave it to Beaver….you are getting sleepy…listen to the quiet, calm, sound of my voice…you are getting sleepy…you are now going to listen to my triggers…when I tell you that you will vote for me by saying “supercalifragilistic”….you will feel sleepy…your eyes will be heavy and very relaxed as you vote for me….back to Beaver…back to Beaver…back to Beaver….America is the greatest…vote for me….I’m so peaceful and you are too….sleep…sleep…and when I snap my fingers…you will awake, and I will be the Preszdeinet…and Cindy will be first lady…and all will be well in the world…and when you hear the Beachboys song….ignore it…
Snap!!!
I thought Howard Dean did an excellent job defending the “100 years in Iraq” video on Meet The Press this past weekend. Dean hit every hardball question Russert threw out of the park and when pressed about the video, Dean had that little shit eating grin on his face and said, “We have’nt even started yet!” I felt very encouraged by what Dean had to say about the Michigan-Florida thing as well. It was great that Dean just flatly refused and dismissed a few of Russert’s questions that were just leading and plain stupid.
Of course he hasn’t…he is emotionally stuck…that would be natural considering what happened to him…but he is not fit to be president…obviously.
Jane you were great and looked great too! McShame is not going to get the probing that the dems will get. He’s their sweetheart, ain’t he?
McCain (like Bush) apparently thinks that the goal is not to have the Iraqis EVER take over their OWN Security. Bit McCain thinks this can be done through some sort of “fairy dust” method.
We’ll just throw pixy-dust at those Al Qaeda, I guess…and they’ll go away. Not combat, no bloodshed, no wounds, no deaths. Magic!
But it makes you kinda wonder why they’d be there if they weren’t gonna be used for fightin’. I bet that you can find all sorts of statements from the “Candidate” about how the Military shouldn’t be used for nation-building, as police, or helping Iraqi women in their knitting circles. I guess that it doesn’t apply here.
Almost sounds like this is a 100 year contract for Halliburton contributions.
It was great. I can hardly wait to see the transcript. Cafferty also made a statement about how staying in Iraq for 100 years was not even close to what we did in Korea and Japan. He said we were asked to do that and they weren’t shooting at us… etc., etc. When they broke to Lou Dobbs he tried to smack down Cafferty by saying something like the Japanese and Germans didn’t ask us…they went back to Blizter who asked Cafferty a question on another subject and Cafferty took the time to first correct Dobbs for saying Germany…he said something to the effect…just for the record we were discussing Korea and Japan not Germany & Japan. LOL
I saw the footage of the devastation. O.M.G.! Scary stuff.
watching the vid finally – the 2 cons – can they be any more condescending? i know it took all of jane’s reserve to keep from swatting them… dont think i’d be able to control myself!!
Is the DNC going to do a companion ad with Bomb Iran? Please?
I’ll keep checking for it.
i want the fuck out too (afghanistan too)
i just don’t see why we have to support a dnc ad that does take a quote out of context. because if it’s ok for the dnc to do it, then how can i say it’s not ok for abc to do it (see rev. wright).
LMAO!!!!!
You’re welcome, ThingsComeUndone! Nice analysis. ;-)
OMG…Wolfowitz says (in a story on Thinkprogress) that the “occupation ended” in June, 2004…..
What drug do these people take….must be mega-koolaid…
that and the big hug to BUSH that is just a wonderful thang!
Exactly. They were all rude except for Jane. I chalk it up to Jane being correct and the others having a hard time with that. ;-)
Thats the normal GOP tactic put the masses to sleep with boredom make sure their fat and happy and then throw red meat to the 30%ers without the masses finding out.
Too bad people are not fat and happy, too bad everyone is paying attention this time.
The terrain has changed, our tactics have changed, the GOP has not changed.
Why is everybody dumping on John McCain?
McCain is every bit as smart as President Bush.
And he’s a better pilot into the bargain.
The Pentagon Pudit Generals must have left some behind when their program was halted.
is everyone here really ok with the dnc ad?
seriously – am i the only one bothered by it?
Jane, good for you! It’s so nice to have you speaking for us.
By the way, I can’t find anything related on factcheck.org.
Wolfowitz is one of many neocons who walk around with a Bush-shaped dildo up his but which makes him spew out the republican talking points without batting an eyelash. LOL
Did you see the backdrop of one of Hillary’s speeches this last weekend? No matter where she was standing, you could clearly see in large letters the words “Strong Military” behind her. Cue up a chorus of “Bomb, bomb, bomb; Bomb bomb Iran!” Visualize Hillary and McCain doing the Can Can.
Ugh.
What we have now is a weakened military, exhausted by a war longer than WWII, but with fewer significant allies, over-stretched and pummeled by Stop Loss and multiple deployments. This will be for us what Afghanistan was for the old Soviet Union. Bush seems to want to intentionally break our armed forces– or maybe he’s just too dumb to realize what he’s doing.
Bob in HI
tara has really drank lots of repug koolaid… and yet she’s very intelligent!
Not to mention a 100 years of Halliburton contracts…
which one?
Have not seen it whats your concern about it?
Does he have an explanation for what is happening now?
Mobius strip rebuilding, perhaps?
Selise, what interpretation do you get from McCain here?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk
McCain seems fine and even a little excited that our troops will be in Iraq for 50-100 years, “…’cause al-Qaida is there”.
Fear mongering by elitists. Tired of it!!!!
I like the ad and will send money to have it run in more states if it works in north carolina
Thanks I can’t remember the last time the media got called out for fluffing McCain I look forward to savoring every word.
first link in the post vs. longer clip at factcheck.org
The same thing jumped out at me as well.
This is the exact text from factcheck.org
“A 100-Year War?
The DNC’s message portrays McCain as bent on fighting an “endless” war in Iraq.
DNC: We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq. … On the war, McCain scoffed at Bush’s call to leave troops in Iraq for 50 years, saying “Make it a hundred!”
That of course is a serious distortion of what McCain actually said to a town-hall meeting in New Hampshire back on Jan. 3. His actual words are posted in a video on YouTube. Far from advocating “endless war,” he said the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq would be “fine with me” provided that they’re not being killed or wounded. Here’s the full quote:
McCain, Jan. 3: Make it a hundred. … We’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me, as long as American, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. It’s fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintained a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting and equipping and motivating people every single day.
It should be noted that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, despite their frequent talk of withdrawing from Iraq, have said repeatedly that they would maintain at least some troops in a combat role in Iraq for some time, possibly their entire term of office.
There’s little doubt that McCain is less eager than either Clinton or Obama to bring troops home without further suppression of insurgent attacks. But it’s a rank falsehood for the DNC to accuse McCain of wanting to wage “endless war” based on his support for a presence in Iraq something like the U.S. role in South Korea.”
First off, note that there is no end quote between where McCain’s quote ends and “fact check”’s opinion starts. Second and most importantly, and I bolded it for everyone’s convenience, how can someone not get “killed or wounded” if it is “a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting and equipping and motivating people every single day”????
Of course it tests off the charts, there is no wonder that conservatives don’t like McCain either – they don’t trust him because he’s phony just like Mittens was.
It be nice to learn more about factcheck.org
About all I could find on the 100 year war was this snippet.
Then there is the youTube and another graph.
Other than that factcheck.org looks like a site dedicated to the clinton/obama pie fight. Is the best the Annenberg Foundation can do?
John McCain is currently fine with our soldiers being in Iraq, even though they’re being killed (along with innocent Iraqi civilians). See? He’s okay with that! What he really wants is 100 years from now…Americans there but not being killed. See? LOL
Anyone have some melatonin so I can sleep tonight?
Who was the moderator on that vid? She always wanted to bring it back to the woes of the Democratic party nominees. Is she a conservative?
And huge kudos to Jane for derailing that. Bringing it back to McCain had that moderator cutting Jane off, and it really wound up that cindy look alike. By the way Jane, you look damn good.
Not bothered but I don’t like it.
see my 92, 112 and 140.
whch page was that on?
It’s under “DNC ad from February 17.”
I’m okay with it. Think of what you got from going through the context of the Wright sermon quotes taken out of context. There is some truly wonderful material from him that is being examined by a much larger audience. Some good will come of that while the truly repugnant people continue to ridicule the out of context stuff.
The analysis many have presented here shows that at least for some people, McCain’s comment still doesn’t stand when there is a careful analysis of context. Again, the non-thinking population won’t be affected, but they aren’t really in play. We want those voters in the middle who might be persuaded in our favor after they analyze what all the fuss is about.
As long as I see an underlying story where the comment retains relevance to the argument we are making, I’m fine.
bonnie erbe – i think she’s a washington insider
Didn’t he also at one point say something like or 1000 or 10,000 years….did I invent that?
Oh and sorry to all of you if this repeated stuff – it took me a while to put my comment together and then I wasn’t logged in on top of that so it took me longer.
I’m watching KO at the same time and saw Richard Wolfe and Howard Fineman do a hitjob on Wright – it was absolutely hideous. I was not impressed with KO on this either, to be honest.
Selise, I get your point, but my point is…our troops are there today dying, but McCain is saying he’s okay with them staying in for 100 years as long as they’re not dying. Huh?
i agree factcheck.org sucks.
if there is a longer clip somewhere else, i’d love to see. but based on what i’ve seen so far, the dnc ad is just the kind of bs we rightly get pissed of about when it is done to someone we like.
I agree with Selise.
The truth is bad enough. There is no reason to take out of context, mislead, or deceive in any way, and doing so undermines our own credibility, and moral authority. It would be one thing if McCain were the perfect candidate, but there is a target-rich environment of positions on which he can be legitimaely attacked; but doing so deceptively is doubly destructive, as it both undermines us and immunizes McCain from further legitimate criticizm on the same point.
Kinda the same way the TANG memos immunized Bush from further questioning about his TANG days, even though he was guilty as hell.
Thanks, found this: Smear or Be Smeared?
The fact is that McCain says it’s no problem if we stay in Iraq for 100 years…that’s a fact. He seems to raise all sorts of issues by saying that…even in his caveat. He never explained any of that in his speech. He seems to think that the presumption that Iraq will be “peaceful” (when?) and yet “volatile”.
That seems utterly contradictory. Is there any place in the globe where there’s been a dangerous rebel movement that needs suppression yet is peaceful and an occupying force has never been attacked?
The fact is that the Constitutions of both Germany and Japan stipulated that the US provide the protective role in exchange for those nations having restrained militaries. But nothing in the Iraqi Constitution asks for our permanent occupation or basing….and substantial numbers of Iraqis want us out.
Furthermore, if things were actually going to be so peaceful…why wouldn’t UN blue-helmets be more appropriate?
Retaining US troops in Iraq under such circumstances would simply:
a) provide a continuing target and “recruitment” rationale for al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has no real likelihood of taking over Iraq, and would have no real support there if the US was gone. They would be outed as “foreign devils” to local militias or the ING.
b) maintain a continued threat to Iraq’s neighbors, and a source of stress between them. As such the troops would not be at all in a peaceful situation. They would be the potential vanguard of “Bomb-bomb-bomb Iran’s” attack forces. Either that, or they would be the sitting ducks to be used as “victims” to generate a war.
He means that they can stay forever….after they died and when they are not dying anymore. See?
One of the many ways to characterize the Bush presidency is as “The Bait-and-Switch Presidency”. The first bait was “compassionate conservative.” You take it from there. Hugh’s list might come in handy.
Bob in HI
completely agree with your analysis. would not object if the ad said that.
No, you’re not – I’m sure there’s a YouTube to be found somewhere with the entire Town Hall discussion and not a portion.
God – now Scarborough and Mike Huckabee on Wright – ugggh.
good point. wrong and stupid.
“Ace” McCain…took out five fighters when he was a pilot. Unfortunately they were all ones he was flying.
more often than not i roll my eyes.
Yes – half way down
LOL Oh that’s right. I get it now. ;-)
I agree that the “100 years of war in Iraq”…has been taken out of context and that is not right. He never said that.
I think the Dems should be accurate when they talk about it and state that he said it would be fine to stay in Iraq in the same manner that they stayed in Germany and Japan and Korea. It should be accurate. Whether or not his statement is okay with the voters…well, that is another question…
Jane I love the expression on your face at the end where you know you’ve delivered a blow on the McCain = 100 Years in Iraq issue.
Also great points on the economy and on the divisions in the party being a function of where we are in the primary season.
A very civilized conversation all in all, a refreshing change from the norm.
exactly and that’s why it doesn’t matter if his statements are taken out of context, even in context they are just plane wrong
so when someone says “the comments are out of context” the answer is;
“in context he shows he has no understanding what so ever what is happening in Iraq, in context he compares countries that want us there to Iraq who does not want us there
this is uninformed and demonstrates he has less military understanding then the administration that initiated this occupation after being told the aggression would make our country less secure
and here we are, less secure with mccain actually suggesting Iraq is something close to japan”
bing
i’ve been trying to avoid it.
but this really upsets/irks/pisses me off/makes me hate the dems/… especially coming directly after the wright smear and seeing what kind of preacher he really is. i want to be able to object to taking wright out of context. how can i do that if i’m ok when it’s done to mcsame.
as rond says, we have a target rich environment – we don’t have to play these games.
What he did say…was that it would be fine with him to be in Iraq for 100 years…So, what Jane said was accurate..
right. it’s not ok with me, and i hope not ok with most voters.
my objection is to the dnc ad.
I agree with you. It is not okay to do it to McCain either.
That is what makes me nuts. If people weren’t so jaded as to spin and spin everything….that is what I think should be changed….don’t say something that isn’t an accurate reflection of what anybody said…all sides piss me off in that respect.
Just the facts. Thank Goddess for Youtube. The truth is sorely missing.
Where is the video of that ad? I’ve had major toobz problems and nothing would load. Do you have the link?
yeah. how do i respond to an R i’m trying to enlighten wrt all of bush’s lies when they say “they all spin and don’t care about the truth.”
damn this shit makes it hard.
This is a different situation. The “100 year comment” showed how out of touch McCain was. This is a guy who walked around with a flak jacket in downtown Baghdad and stated “everything’s just fine!” – nothing to see here! The point is that if McCain thinks that there is any situation where that situation would occur in the first place that we’d not be shot at, he’s totally delusional.
The Reverend Wright issue and the 100 year issue are apples and oranges since we’re talking about a preacher who gives long sermons to a 30-second ad.
it’s the first ad in jane’s post.
adlinkof course mcsame is totally delusional. but we don’t have to take one of his statements out of context to show that.
Abrams and his crew are all talking about the Obama and Wright situation as if this is a high school competition or something – it never ceases to amaze me what a bunch of children our pundit class are – switched to baseball before I break my teevee….
The ad could be made even more effective in my opinion with the second part. “John McCain says that he wants US troops in Iraq until your great grandchildren serve there…”Make it a hundred. … We’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me,”
And then he flip-flops. First he flips: ” as long as American, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.”
And then he flops: ” It’s fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintained a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting and equipping and motivating people every single day.”
Senator McCain…how would we stop al Qaeda “in a very volatile part of the world” without placing our young men and women at risk?
How would you have them defeat “al Qaeda…every single day”?
Isn’t it time for the Iraqis to finally stand up?
Then show a clip of Bush saying the Iraqi military would soon be defending its own country – with the date underneath.
“We need you to start really talking Straight with us, Senator McCain. Not say that if our troops stayed in Iraq 100 years that they’d simply be there on a picnic.”
Maybe a better way to approach this would be for all of us to email the DNC from now on what we think would be a good ad during this campaign? It wouldn’t hurt to do that. It appears at times that our “higher ups” have no imagination sometimes.
Good night everyone. Have a good one. ;-)
Great idea for an ad, Cinnamonape! Thank you. ;-)
Okay, nite nite everyone.
i just want them to be straight – no deception.
I’ll go look. I couldn’t load it earlier, and then my computer wiped out my bookmarks again for the 10th time….ugh…Mr. LS says, get a Mac…well, I can’t….
I’ll look, but I agree with you totally. Whatever the person says, should be quoted exactly and let the chips fall where they may. The spin skews reality..people make judgments based on “stories”…
Actually – this would be perfect and this captures what I am saying – he is delusional in the first place in thinking that the Germany or South Korea scenario would ever happen.
Since you only have 30 seconds, I just don’t have that big of a problem with the DNC ad since it gets the essence correct.
I have yet to see it but we’ve been watching basketball playoff games all weekend and will do so this evening
Oh Jane, I’m so glad you’re out there kicking ass.
I don’t see any deception in the ad. Let John McCain explain what he meant by his words. He said the words so if he wants to clarify it let him do so.
the problem isn’t that i disagree with your interpretation. the problem is that the ad purports to let mcsame speak for himself – and doesn’t.
and wright said the words that were used in clips to make him appear to have said something he didn’t.
that’s dishonest.
thanks. imo, best is if everyone reviews the two videos, thinks for themselves and then we have this conversation. i think it’s an important one.
The DNC one then the youTube one? If so I agree. The DNC one is just plain cheesy and then you compare it with raw youtube and it’s, that’s it?
I’m just sick of the dems, sick of the pugs and sick of the pols.
THE ad captures not only the words but the tone of Mcbush…
Now if he was ACTUALLY saying “If this killing goes on, then I would support pulling the troops out after two or three more years”, then he was fucked by the ad- but we all know that what he’s really sayin is “I’d stay in there if it takes a 100 years.”
John McCain was asked about Bush’s statement about staying in Iraq for 50 years and McCain said maybe a 100. It is another issue about what he envisions us doing for those 100 years. The fact is he SAID 100 years. If he wants to explain to voters what he envisions us doing in those 100 years then he has that right but it doesn’t change the fact that he said we’d be there maybe 100 years. Rev. Wright made his comments and he has had to explain them even though he’s not running for anything so I think a presidential candidate can answer for his direct quote. It wasn’t like this ad cut & pasted his comments to deceive people. It was a direct quote in response to the Bush 50 year quote.
But, Mr. McCain, Americans are being killed and wounded NOW! And that is apparently ok by you. How many years of Americans being killed and wounded are there going to be before we get to the 100 years of American presence in Iraq where no Americans are being killed and wounded? Another 5, 10, 15, 20, 50 or maybe 100 years? When does the halcyon era start? God, man, they are sending my brother, 44 years old, 4 kids and a bad shoulder, back to Iraq for a second time. Can the no killing and wounding of Americans part of the Iraq occupation begin before he gets sent back in a transfer tube? How about it?
yes.
the thing i find so surprising is that mcsame is so bad, why spin? why not just tell it straight?
John Amato at Crooks and Liars has a post up about this issue.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..-from-fox/
It’s me again. I have to agree with you. He’s got that caveat about Japan, Korea, etc at the end of the clip. I understand what he’s saying although I don’t agree with the premise of having military bases permanently in Iraq. That said, I think one would have to be three days dead or blind not to see that Iraqi nationalists would be shooting at us every day if we were to establish such bases. Last I checked we hadn’t exactly made a lot of friends in the country. If they run the ad the RNC will hammer it endlessly, using that caveat at the end as the hammer. That would, imho, destroy the credibility of the ad and both Clinton and Obama.
I noticed the similarity as well. How many Cindy clones does he have on his staff, I wonder?
yeah, maybe even do the function the news should be doing.
dry, bloody, costly facts.
right – so, imo, what mcsame actually said is even more nuts.
To my way of thinking, yes. I can almost see the recruiting posters now.
“Join the Army. Sooner or later you’ll pull a tour of duty in Iraq. That way you’ll know what it feels like to get shot at every day. Join now. Ask about our educational benefits (survival required.)
For those of you unhappy with fact-check, might I suggest an alternative?
Introducing:
The Politifact Truth-o-meter
Saw you on On the Contrary yesterday morning on our NJ PBS station. I didn’t realize it was you at first. You did well. I saw the part where the other woman was spouting about factcheck.org. Yes, she did seem a wee bit peeved ;)
Just circling back. I wasn’t impressed by this segment either. I mean KO thinks he has all the answers these days.
Rev. Wright makes some really valid points. And I don’t think he’s going to line up with anyone from the federal government because it’s his job to challenge the government to do better. I don’t think he wants to be viewed as “in the pocket” of anyone. In addition, I don’t think that damages any body. sheesh.
Thanks!
FWIW, we were checking out factcheck.org cuz that’s what Cindy Lookalike referenced.
Big discussion on CNN about Wright and what he is doing now to Obama. And Obama better speak back to defend himself.
New post on HuffPo: Here’s an excerpt. LOL
Somewhere along the way, McCain’s position changed. Perhaps twice. As Think Progress reported, in August 2007, as the troops surge was underway, McCain told the Charlie Rose Show that the Korea model was “exactly” the right template for U.S. forces in Iraq. Only three months later, and on the same show, he completely reversed himself
Do you think that this – Korea, South Korea is an analogy of where Iraq might be,” Rose asked in November 2008.
“I don’t think so,” replied McCain.
“Even if there are no casualties?” Rose chimed in.
“No,” said McCain. “But I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws.”
Then, in the lead up to the New Hampshire primary, the senator famously said that he wouldn’t mind seeing the U.S. in Iraq for a hundred years, “as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.” And when his political opponents used that statement against him, McCain responded by saying he was drawing an analogy to the current military presence in Japan, Germany and South Korea.
And yet, when he was asked by Matthews in 2005, if he “would you be happy with [Iraq] being the home of a U.S. garrison” like Germany, McCain again said no.
The McCain campaign did not return a request for comment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..99082.html
Anyone paying attention to McCain over the last year should realize he reacts to situations and speaks without much thought. I’m sure died in the wool McCain supporters would not see the comments noted above as inconsistent. I’m not a McCain supporter, see these inconsistencies, and wonder why he flip flops so often.
Jane persuasively argues that McCain changes his positions to attract his party’s base. I won’t disagree but I also think there is a note of genuine confusion in McCain’s flip flops. We could give him the benefit of doubt since it could be argued that he has a right to change his positions as new or additional information comes to light. McCain’s supporters could hope their candidate’s positions reflect reality. Sadly for them, many of his statements including the 100 year comment about the war don’t reflect any reality that a rational person might perceive.
McCain’s statements to Charlie Rose are indeed conflicted but his comment before the NH primary is consistent with the August 2007 comment. However, comparing Korea, Japan, and or Germany with Iraq sets up false comparisons for the reasons McCain gave in November 2007: America cannot remain in Iraq indefinitely unless we are prepared to fight a 100 insurgency. I don’t think however, McCain’s 100 year comment in February 2008 has much to do with fighting insurgency: It reflects back to his August 2007 thinking that America might have to “occupy” Iraq in a manner comparable to Korea for 100 years but he “forgot” that he changed his thinking in between thetwo statements. As McCain said in November 2007, Iraq is not Korea and thus an American occupation of the former could never be like the latter. Inasmuch as McCain has married himself so closely with the Iraq war, he has painted himself into a corner and it is fun watching him, and, his advisers and consultants squirm trying to “explain’ what he means. Quite honestly, I doubt McCain can offer an explanation because I don’t believe he knows what he means. McCain should learn to keep his mouth shut and read from a script like his hero George Bush but I doubt he will ever learn to do this and so we can expect these sorts of gaffs to continue.