Let me start with some disclosure: I know Jeremiah Wright. I've worshiped at Trinity United Church of Christ a time or two. I've heard Wright speak at clergy conferences. I've had a couple of one-on-one conversations with him.
With that said . . . Oh, that man can preach. But as any preacher will tell you, it helps if people would listen. As a preacher with some 20+ years of my own experience in the pulpit, I shudder to think what would happen if some of my sermons were snipped and sliced and diced in the same manner as those of Jeremiah Wright.
The most lamentable aspect of the way Wright has been swift-boated is the manner in which his critics snipped his quotes out of context. CNN's Roland Martin, underneath the broader radar of the media, noted that Jeremiah Wright's now-infamous sermon addressing 9/11 was completely misrepresented:
One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned “chickens coming home to roost.” He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That’s what he told the congregation.
To hear the media speak about it, though, this was Wright trying to burn down the White House. I'm not surprised that you didn't hear this on Fox -- though the initial interview with Peck took place on Fox! -- but the fact that the media missed this is stunning. Even on CNN, apart from the blog post, you'd never get the idea that their reporters ever listened to the whole sermon. and judging from this morning's performance by reporters at Wright's appearance at the National Press Club, they're still not listening.
Bill Moyers had a wonderful interview with Wright on Friday night. It struck me as a much more honest picture of Wright than has been out there in the media to this point. Wright's not a wild-eyed radical, but he speaks in the vernacular of the Black Church in ways that those outside might easily misunderstand. The Moyers interview, especially the opening, gave a lot more context that I think probably helped those with a bit of an open mind to see him more on his own terms than on the terms of the religious and especially the political right.
Wright was absolutely on target in his analysis of his 9/11 sermon and the way it has been used. He was crystal clear for those worshiping that day, who heard the whole thing. The right, OTOH, was also crystal clear in the way they twisted his words, and they too communicated what they wanted to communicate:
BILL MOYERS: . . . Did you somehow fail to communicate?
REVEREND WRIGHT: The persons who have heard the entire sermon understand the communication perfectly. What is not the failure to communicate is when something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public. That's not a failure to communicate. Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they wanna do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a "wack-a-doodle." It's to paint me as something. Something's wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with this country. There's -its policies. We're perfect. We-our hands are free. Our hands have no blood on them. That's not a failure to communicate. The message that is being communicated by the sound bites is exactly what those pushing those sound bites want to communicate.
BILL MOYERS: What do you think they wanted to communicate?
REVEREND WRIGHT: I think they wanted to communicate that I am- unpatriotic, that I am un-American, that I am filled with hate speech, that I have a cult at Trinity United Church of Christ. And, by the way, guess who goes to his church, hint, hint, hint? That's what they wanted to communicate. They know nothing about the church. They know nothing about our prison ministry. They know nothing about our food share ministry. They know nothing about our senior citizens home. They know nothing about all we try to do as a church and have tried to do, and still continue to do as a church that believes what Martin Marty said, that the two worlds have to be together-the world before church and the world after postlude. And that the gospel of Jesus Christ has to speak to those worlds, not only in terms of the preached message on a Sunday morning but in terms of the lived-out ministry throughout the week.
That "learned journalist from the New York Times"? Maureen Dowd.
Moyers also played a clip of the "God Damn America" moment from another Wright sermon, the transcript of which reads as follows:
Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change. And I'm through now. But let me leave you with one more thing. Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontius Pilate - the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from East to West. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonized Kenya, Ghana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British government failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no. Not God bless America; God damn America! That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!
After the clip ended, Moyers asked him "What did you mean when you said that?" Wright's answer was direct and to the point:
When you start confusing God and government, your allegiances to government - a particular government and not to God, that [sic - then] you're in serious trouble because governments fail people.
That's hardly a radical point of view. Pastors like Jerry Falwell on the right have said as much from their pulpits, and centuries of preachers of every stripe, on every continent have said the same.
At about the 10:40 mark in the interview, Moyers flashed a photo on the screen:
BILL MOYERS: He served six years in the military: two as a marine, and four in the Navy as a cardiopulmonary technician. That's where our paths crossed for the only time.
[operating room photo goes up]
That's Jeremiah Wright, behind the I.V. pole, monitoring President Lyndon Johnson's heart as he was recovering from gall bladder surgery at Bethesda Naval Hospital. And right behind him is a very young me. I was the President's Press Secretary.
REVEREND WRIGHT: As you know, the President had to be operated on and out of surgery by 9:00 when the stock market opened. And talking and wide awake. So, we scrubbed in, like, 3:00 in the morning.
When he awakened, unlike other patients, you did not move him to recovery. You didn't move him to ICU. They kept him right there for security reasons. Secret Service all around, there was secret service in the whole operating suite and nobody else allowed in the operating suite except Secret Service.
So, after about an hour and a half, I went to get some coffee. And as I was coming back from the lounge where the coffee was, going back to monitor, I saw the guys talkin' into their wristwatches and I was nodding, speaking to them. So, I turn to go into the room to check the pace. And secret service guys standing there grabbed me, knocked the coffee outta my hand, burned me with the hot coffee, twisted my arm up behind my neck and screams into his phone, "I got him." And I was, "Got him?" And I'm screamin' in pain. And my assistant comes running out of the booth. He sees me jacked up and he starts laughing. I said, "Joe, don't laugh. Tell him who I am." And he said, "He's been here all morning."
BILL MOYERS: Standing above the President.
REVEREND WRIGHT: Guy looked at me, pulled my mask up over face [gestures to demonstrate], "Oh, yeah." And that was it.
The US Secret Service could admit their mistake at roughing up this Navy OR nurse. It would be nice to see the media and the McCain campaign do the same.
Oh, and I want a pony too.
Given the quality of most of the questions asked at Wright's appearance at the National Press Club this morning, however, I'm not holding my breath. (transcript here; CSPAN video here) The very first question from one of the press club members was this:
You have said that the media have taken you out of context. Can you explain what you meant in the sermon shortly after 9/11 when you said the United States had brought the terrorist attacks on itself? Quote, "America's chickens are coming home to roost."
Wright's initial reply was not exactly diplomatic -- "Have you heard the whole sermon?" -- but it was absolutely correct. Any reporter who had bothered listening to the whole sermon, or had viewed a longer excerpt of the sermon, would not have even bothered asking the question.
Jeffrey Weiss of the Dallas Morning-News, for instance, never would have asked that. Indeed, Weiss said this last month:
I've now read and heard the entire [famous/notorious "God damn America" sermon].
For everyone who has either attacked or defended Rev. Wright, I have a suggestion: Go and do likewise. The text and audio of the whole 40 minutes or so of what is formally entitled "Confusing God and government" were eye-opening to me -- and not in one direction. This sermon is profoundly anti-government in general, anti-U.S. government in specific, and boy-howdy anti-George W. Bush. But it's also a message of hope and redemption with a solid stream of links to bible verses.
So much for question #1 at the National Press Club. What's next?
Some critics have said that your sermons are unpatriotic. How do you feel about America and about being an American?
Again, "diplomatic" is not the word I would use to describe Wright's answer:
I feel that those citizens who say that have never heard my sermons, nor do they know me. They are unfair accusations taken from sound bites and that which is looped over and over again on certain channels. I served six years in the military -- does that make me patriotic? How many years did Cheney serve?
When Wright finished that answer, he stepped away from the microphone, shrugged to the audience, and saluted. Once more, not diplomatic, but a direct slam at those members of the media who can't be bothered to do their own research and would rather simply pass along rightwing talking points.
*sigh*
You get the idea. Let's hope the media does too.
Yeah, I know. Maybe I'll have better luck getting that pony.
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So, Peterr!
No, they can’t
or rather, they won’t.
He got a standing ovation when he made the Cheney comment.
I’m still pissed off at Disney-ABC for making this a bogus issue in the last debate. They knew that they were misportraying Wrights sermon’s and making a spurious attack on Obama’s integrity.
And yet where they are involved at the marketing of young girls for “entertainment” they quite simply are utter hypocrites.
So, there wasn’t deliberate manipulation of the truth to sell advertising for the Pennsylvania debate? And Miley Cyrus isn’t manipulated DAILY!
One thing to keep in mind about the National Press Club audience. Some were guests of the club, and others were the journalist members of the club.
Only the members can ask questions, and I’m guessing they weren’t the ones doing the clapping.
awesome post, Peterr
His message last night at the NAACP fundraiser in Detroit was also amazing. ‘Different But Not Deficient’ is something that we all needed to hear. What is sad is that the media and many others outside of the media maligned a man’s character for political gains.
Oh…I see.
I stood up at my house *g*..
Ah don know who this Cyrus girl is- but it’s a little odd that she got her picture taken in nothin but a sheet and then complained that a picture came out with her in nothin but a sheet…
Someone needs ta spain how these camera things work ta the poor girl.
Great post, Peterr. Let the media suck on a lemon.
amazing all the pontificating, bloviating and grand standing that came from folks who obviously only watched sound bites, are woefully ignorant or both.
Peterr.
Excellent post.
Render unto the Bush Administration…render unto God.
There is nothing unpatriotic about the man.
I especially liked the part of the interview where he explained that God can bring good things about from chaos and bad things.
We now have several very important issues on the table of debate in this country. Issues that a lot of people have been afraid to address.
As Dmac shared earlier today, the link to his church’s website:
http://www.tucc.org.
tbc
It will be interesting to see which comments that Wright made today get used in the media accounts, especially the evening news shows.
I’m sure that Wright was damaged by the editing of his sermons- and it’s also quite likely that even WITH the whole context, lots of americans wouldn’t like what he’s sayin….no one likes to hear about where we’re fuckin up- and we fuck up a lot- specially with an idiot in the White House.
Wright’s speech revealed something important to me unrelated to the topic, which is how seldom someone makes a speech in public who doesn’t talk down to his audience. He knew his subject, he spoke as though to an intelligent audience who would understand most of it and be willing to look up those parts they didn’t understand if they were interested.
The U.S. press will hate that. They want W one-liners releated ad naseum that they can merely take down as dictation.
No, wait, no.
That was my friend MaryMc who post that link…
:)
God Bless Pastor/Nurse Wright!
God Bless Pastor Peterr!
God Bless Bill Moyers!
God Damn MoDo!
Obama didn’t defend the sermons, he condemned em and claimed he had never heard em…so goin back now and claimin that they really weren’t so bad is not a door left open to him.
The man has balls.
A pastor using Scripture to make his points to a bunch of non-believers and hyprocrites.
And, as ecahn..said…not dumbing it down, neither.
I had no idea until listening to his introduction last night that he holds multiple Master degrees and a doctorate. Not to mention that he speaks 5 languages and is well versed in linguistics and music.
That’s something that preachers are familiar with. The cliche is the comment from one’s hearers, “Don’t you go from preaching to meddling.”
When looked at like this, preaching is aimed at those other people. When you aim it at me, that’s meddling.
Peterr, I always respect your opinion, but on Reverend Wright, I could not disagree more. His performance at the NPC this morning, in particular the Q&A, was horrible. This is how Dana Milbank of the WaPo saw it.
The Repubs really hate educated people. They don’t know how to deal with them.
demi, you weren’t ’wrong’ i posted it a few times, a month or so ago, read every page on the website, even the shopping…….interesting books. interesting outreach programs.
gotta go, have fun.
Peterr -
i haven’t wanted to go anywhere near a christian church for many years. but listening to wright’s sermons (several times and not just the clips) this weekend was downright inspiring - i’d go to any church where he was preaching (and i don’t even subscribe to his religious beliefs).
Damn elitist!
I thought he condemned the words in the sermon that were offensive.
that was a political move as he knew he was fighting a sound bite. as Rev Wright said, he was being a politician. I wish Obama had stood up for the sermon but he did say the rev was taken out of context. I’m not going to hit obama on that if Ido, I go after Hillary too for her grandstanding and bloviating
The theocrats on the right are much more dangerous then a preacher expressing his right to free speech.
rwcole,
Did you watch the Moyers piece?
The pastor explained it. Obama is a Politician.
I heard a song last week, The miracle is not walking on the water, the miracle is walking on this earth.
I thought the questions were insulting.
correct.
Okay, but what did YOU think of it after YOU watched the whole thing? After YOU watched his entire interview with Bill Moyer? What do YOU think of the medias’ treatment of a preacher?
Peterr!
haven’t seen the Cheney bit repeated yet !
One of the more interesting questions was about Obama’s reaction to the sermons, and Wright had a nuanced answer:
Shorter Wright: Obama had to distance himself from what was reported that Wright said.
That’s a lot different than distancing himself from what Wright actually said. Of course, if Obama wants to make that distinction, it would have been better to have done it shortly after this first blew up.
imo, he was able to combine a personal humility with a serious prophetic call. i think you may have explained, at least in part, how he was able to do that - but showing so much respect to those he spoke to.
Did you see his speech last night at the NAACP? It was a nice way to tel us that we are different but no less valuable.
left you some links downstairs :D
Thank you Peterr. VERY much appreciated to get an opinion from the inside.
I think Jeremiah Wright is spectacular on many levels and I get upset when I see supposed progressive opinion which thinks otherwise:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....98957.html
The man is a patriot in terms of his service, certainly, but even more so in terms of his careful, considered and vociferous dissent. There is no greater case for patriotism than righteous dissent. And anyone who doesn’t know that is no real American.
no, haven’t seen it yet. looking forward to finding an mp3
MSM don’t do apologies.
Just ask Al Gore.
Or John Kerry.
I totally agree and am disappointed that he even went that route.
Ditto
Of course the press would hate it. Wright expected them to be fair & intelligent.
i support rev wright and his right to preach as he sees fit - how come the lamestream media hasnt dissected revs hagee, parsley, robertson etc? its all one big hatchet job and aiming to slow the tide for obama… i see other unseen hands behind all this jus sayin…. its disgusting!!
I think he did well in the Moyers interview.
Today, in the Q&A at the NPC, he was self-indulgent, undisciplined, at times whacky and hurt Obama.
I would be surprised if it isn’t out already. The video went up shortly after his speech ended.
Pure unadulterated racism.
well, i don’t know what he expected. but i loved that he didn’t pretend they were asking reasonable questions.
He showed the Qs all the respect they deserved. They were moronic, and he treated them accordingly.
I watched the NAACP speech on CNN and heard some of the Press Club stuff. The man is brilliant. He spoke truth to power and that’s what the blogs’ have been doing when able. That’s what needs to be done, but the media don’t want truth, they like bread and circuses. They will take sound bites, loop them and feed the masses their daily pablum.
Many people don’t want to hear him, though the truth hurts. I’m am white, rural, raised by red necks and I would be proud to have that man as my minister.
Or the entire American Population.
explain self indulgent when the attacks have been on him and the black church? He name has been maligned and he wanted to make clear that his preaching style, the black church are different but are no less patriotic, christ loving, etc.
That speech Wright gave at NAACP was great. I loved the message he sent about being different not deficient, and at the same time pointing out the hypocrisy of the media and pundits with the lesson. Masterful. Then later on Morning Joe, they sliced and diced the speech repeating over and over Wright saying, “Barak Hussien Obama.”
I don’t think Obama has a chance if the MSM keeps this up and you know they will. First time a presidential candidate will have been swift-boated by what is supposed to be an impartial media.
Yeah- it’s pretty obvious what Obama did and why he did it. The truth would be too complicated to address with the media- it would never be properly reported…
I was only addressing a practical political issue- it’s way too late for Obama to come back and modify his original statement- and he would never bring attention back to this issue in any event- so although he might have a better statement to make- he cannot and will not make it for a variety of reasons.
please don’t go there. i didn’t like being accused of being sexist for not liking senator clinton. racism is a very serious charge - if you have evidence to accuse an individual, then go for it. but otherwise i beg a reconsideration of the general charge.
I disagree. I didn’t find him wacky or undisciplined, and I don’t think “he” hurt Obama….it is the press that continually spins everything and they try to hurt Obama.
Obama can take care of himself….he has so far, no matter what they say. JMHO
Agreed. The candidates should take a look at how he handles dumb ass questions and do the same
and during his press conference he asked this question - did cheeny serve? i may have paraphrased but thats the gist and who went awol? lamestream media can never dear fairly with an articulate african-american unless he’s a toadie and agrees with them - ughhhhhhh…
can you give some examples? i had the opposite reaction - that it was the press and the questions that were self-indulgent, etc.
Much thanks…saved to favs to read later.
I really do appreciate your effort. (hug)
I saw that reaction from Milbank, and I couldn’t help but think that Milbank might be the perfect example of what Wright was talking about at the very top of the speech:
I don’t know how the political ramifications of Wright’s interviews, speeches, and Q&As will play out politically. I do know, however, that the press has done a helluva bad job in doing their job when trying to cover this.
I’ve had to answer questions about my sermons, but never the same question over and over again — the answer to which would be obvious to anyone who had heard, watched, or read it. I think Wright may have gotten a bit too worked up for some in the audience (both in the room and on CSPAN), but under the circumstances, I can understand why.
that should read deal fairly - got a lil worked up…………
Chill out…I’m talking about the media and the constant barrage of black/white/black/white 24/7…I’m not talking about one “individual”..
I think the media is being racist. Period. They are also sexist.
Just a follow up on my OT on last thread. Apparently that is not a government site with instructions to spy on your neighbors. Just wish we didn’t live in a time where that was totally believable. Sorry about any misunderstanding.
I follow you on distancing himself from what Wright was SAID to say rather than what he ACTUALLY said—-but that will be viewed as a blood brother distinction to Clinton’s “It all depends on what the meaning of “is is”".
Clinton was actually correct as well- but that certainly didn’t help him.
That’s it right there.
We know enough about the lazy media to know that they asked lazy gotcha questions and then got insulted at the answers. What Wright said will not prompt them to change their ways. So what will emerge from their anger (shame)?
I’m not thinking candy and flowers.
really funny line (only in hindsight) from the god and gov sermon was something like:
they’re not going to put me on pbs after this one
it depends on the push back but youtube works both ways. the media may be out to write their own stories but the truth exists on the toobz
I would imagine that he and Bill Moyers had a good laugh about that when Bill booked the interview.
Did you think I was calling Juslin racist???? Please reread the comments…I was agreeing..
That is because they aren’t the press or journalists anymore, they are coporate media trying to find the ‘gotch’ moment that will drive their ratings up.
that’s exactly my point. by making the general accusation you paint everyone with the same brush. why not aim a little more carefully at those individuals for which there really is a case?
i have people here grief (including front pagers) for the general accusations of sexism - i’m not going to back off just because the target is a group of people i don’t like.
Tweety and his cohorts are continuing the smears and slander against Rev. Wright!
damn!! tweety has joined the lets get rev wright club - piled his show with no one to speak for rev wright…..
ahhh - we both made the same point ;o)
Today’s Froomkin had a quote from Pamela Anderson from the WHCA dinner Saturday night that fits perfectly:
I don’t think older voters watch much youtube. I think what the MSM is reporting on Obama/Wright is being seen and affects the opinion of these voters that Obama needs to win over, and it is’nt good.
I am interested in seeing Obama elected President. I really find it difficult to believe that anyone really thinks Reverend Wright’s performance was helpful in that regard.
If you don’t believe me, did you hear Axelrod on MSNBC this morning?
Per your heading, Peterr, no they [the media] can’t apologize. They have their scripted day all planned out. It’s all Wright, alla time.
Why, they’ve even got headings, like CNN’s “Blacks Reax”
Racist, much? Yeah, I think so, too.
Aaron Brown explains it: it’s not journalism, it’s television.
Explains, doesn’t excuse.
Back to catch up on reading now.
i thought you were making an accusation of racism to a group of people without enough evidence that the charge was deserved by every member of the group.
did i have that wrong?
Here’s one of the stupid questions asked by The national Press Club:
MODERATOR: In light of your widely quoted comment damning America, do you think you owe the American people an apology? If not, do you think that America is still damned in the eyes of God?
I could care less what tweety thinks or says. The man has the moral compass of a paper bag. I honestly don’t think that this is going to hurt Obama for the GE and I do think that the racist element of the media is raising it’s head. Why not? We have seen that they take their queue from Fox.
I think they are being elitist.
I’m thinking perhaps some spotlighting might be in order.
OT Demi, if you’re here. I left a long reply in EPUland downstairs.
lol!
and you are surprised?
i don’t know if wright is good or bad for obama’s campaign.
but i think wright is good for the country. imo, we need to hear what he has to say.
The MSM is complicit in framing the ideas of Jeremiah Wright as incendiary and dangerous. The implicit racism involved with misunderstanding Wright’s message could be forgiven in that the nature and history of the black church experience is not fully understood outside of that community.
But that isn’t even entering the picture. The MSM has no interest in understanding Wright’s message particularly because it is, at its root, more human and real than anything it has been portrayed as in the press. So, not only does truthful reporting on Wright and his message defeat the organized effort to demonize him (and Obamma by proxy), but it shows — as you’ve pointed out — that he is actually a particularly bad choice for this effort and it would be patently obvious had the MSM done their jobs.
Which would be another really good reason for them to NOT start truthful reporting at this late juncture.
Dana Milbank surprises me though. I have thought, in the past, that he did not have his head entirely up his ass. Perhaps he is in only up to the ears, and not listening is his problem.
the electorate just isn’t for older folks, and these folks are tied into the toobz. I’m just not willing to wring my hands in worry over this because mccain has some seriously crazy ass people on his side and Hillary is a member of some batshit group but the media hasn’t said shit (if that isn’t racism then what is it?)
Anyone got Tweety on? He’s got his own fucking little lynching party goin on..
Tweety, how about Obama will denounce Wright, as soon as McInsane denounces Hagee…! Hmmm…?
its a big media swarm now giving vent to latent racism that’s been simmering for awhile especially since the penn primary and folk admitted they wont vote for an african-american to be potus…. media appears to be particularly gleeful
Here’s another one of the insulting questions asked by The National Press Club:
MODERATOR: You just mentioned that Senator Obama hadn’t heard many of your sermons. Does that mean he’s not much of a churchgoer? Or does he doze off in the pews?
Okay, I’ll go look.
I won’t miss anything here….ha ha.
I can read later. I’m not going to get into any semantical arguments with Anyone this afternoon.
Thanks for your time and concern. Means a lot. Network buddy.
I gave up on Tweety long ago. What did you expect anyway? He’s one of the lazy bunch of know nothing press that asks the stupid questions. Remember when Jon Stewart had him on TDS? Jon was punking him and he was too dumb to notice.
Here’s another one of the belittling questions asked by The National Press Club:
MODERATOR: In your understanding of Christianity, does God love the white racists in the same way he loves the oppressed black American?