Newsweek’s Fareed Zakaria calls it "the most radical idea put forward by a major candidate for the presidency in 25 years."
McCain proposed that the United States expel Russia from the G8, the group of advanced industrial countries. Moscow was included in this body in the 1990s to recognize and reward it for peacefully ending the cold war on Western terms, dismantling the Soviet empire and withdrawing from large chunks of the old Russian Empire as well. McCain also proposed that the United States should expand the G8 by taking in India and Brazil—but pointedly excluded China from the councils of power.
You know, St. McCain might have a point. The war on Islamoliberalfascismterror has just become this huge drag. The Taliban are stronger than ever. Afghanistan’s a mess. Bin Laden’s still farting in our general direction. And after 5 years, we’re still winning losing in Iraq. Bo-ring.
So why not just wash our hands of that mess and go all retro with a little Red Dawn action?
What McCain has announced is momentous—that the United States should adopt a policy of active exclusion and hostility toward two major global powers. It would reverse a decades-old bipartisan American policy of integrating these two countries into the global order, a policy that began under Richard Nixon (with Beijing) and continued under Ronald Reagan (with Moscow). It is a policy that would alienate many countries in Europe and Asia who would see it as an attempt by Washington to begin a new cold war.
So?
The single most important security problem that the United States faces is securing loose nuclear materials. A terrorist group can pose an existential threat to the global order only by getting hold of such material. We also have an interest in stopping proliferation, particularly by rogue regimes like Iran and North Korea. To achieve both of these core objectives—which would make American safe and the world more secure—we need Russian cooperation. How fulsome is that likely to be if we gratuitously initiate hostilities with Moscow?
Oh who cares, Fareed?
Just repeat after me: Wol-ver-ines! Wol-ver-ines! Wol-ver-ines!
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So, BT!
wtf!?
madness prevails.
McCain could have done some real damage to the US/Russia relationship if he had won the nomination and been elected in 2000. Now I think the balance of power has shifted, we need the oil and gas too much to bully them around anymore.
Woohoo!
More war! This time with nuclear powers!
That is just teh awesome! Go McCain.
Um….yeah. Because China, which owns a big ole chunk of our debt, and doesn’t take too kindly to public humiliation, is likely to just say “Okay, McCain, whatever you say.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wolverines, indeed…
McSame.
A bitter Cold Warrior?
I know McCain was a “legacy” at Annapolis, and that he graduated 3rd from the bottom, but I’m beginning to think he doesn’t have enuf IQ to have graduated from high school. He’s dangerously clueless.
Yet another reason to vote McCain (/snark)
Did anyone see 30 Rock two weeks ago when the “Society for the Re-Invasion of Vietnam” was having a McCain fund raiser?
Snark aside, if this is true, McCain’s nuttier than I thought.
This is a nutty, dangerous man that has a bad case of war fever.
He was a prisoner in a war that America ‘lost’, a backer of a war that isn’t going so well, so he’s out to get a ‘win’ under his belt.
Very dangerous.
Easy, some of the best people I know didn’t graduate from high school.
There is a great line in Arturo Perez-Reverte’s El Sol de Breda about the Spanish experience in the Netherlands in the early 17th century that encapsulates our occupation of Iraq: . . . se iba perdiendo, y nunca se acababa de perder, hasta que al cabo se perdió.
It continued to be lost and never finished being lost until in the end it was lost.
Exactly.
And the Vapid Vapors Media will jump right on this story…right after they finish stonewalling PBS about why they had the propaganda generals on their shows and right after they run out of steam on the search-and-destroy push-polling about Rev. Wright and….
oh, wait, do I smell BBQ?
But none of them are running for President.
I have to say, this ranks right up there with McCain’s “send Bill Kristol to negotiate peace with the Israelis and Palestinians as the US’s honest broker” idea. Because the marriage of neocons and foreign policy hasn’t been bad enough…
So why not just wash our hands of that mess and go all retro with a little Red Dawn action?
I love the smell of fabulous snark in the morning.
Ain’t it da truff!
And, um, since Rumsfeld didn’t stragerize correct for the middle east kinda war, we could take advantage of what he did plan for.
Is this me? I never talk like that. Must be all those Tom Clancy novels I’ve read. *g*
weasles bit my flesh…and all that
I saw this special on the Mekong Delta last night in HD. Sometimes I forget the incredible beauty there. Looked like the people were doing what they’ve always done. . .grow rice.
You gotta be shitin’ me!
No but some of us have run from the law now and then!
I said he didn’t have enuf IQ to graduate from high school. I presume the ones you’re talking about would have been smart enough but didn’t graduate from other reasons. In either event though, I doubt that they would consider running for U.S. prez. We’re not just talking about a friend here.
hence no release of his medical records. the more he speaks, the more I’m sure that he only has one sip of milk left in the milk carton
I’d like to know which alternative universe Sen. Mc-nobrain is living in.
No, he’s not. But, he did go back and get a doctorate.
Raven likes that self deprecating humor.
And, he’s still my valentine…that goes for the whole year, doesn’t it?
This seems a pretty smart move by McCain, assuming that the goal is getting elected.
Americans don’t like being told what to do. We don’t like being told by Europeans who to vote for. The idea of expelling Russia from the G8 will enrage and terrify Europeans who will, logically, argue against his election. Ergo, Americans will be more likely to vote for him.
Indeed.
See, I’m more worried about the videos I’ve seen him in where he’s holding onto his hands because when he doesn’t, they shake like crazy.
Kinda hard to exclude your financier from something like the G8! Where this jerk gets his nerve, I’ll never understand!
wow. I’ll be back, my head is spinning after that one
Time to break out the Johnson “daisy” ad again?
“We must love one another, or die”.
He’s stuck mentally and emotionally pre-Vietnam.
See y’all later; gotta mow.
I think there are a battery of reasons that he refuses to release his medical records. I’m for privacy and all but when your of advanced years running for what is the most stressful job in the world, I would like to know that you are physically capable of dealing with the stresses of the job. given mccain’s temper and ‘forgetfulness’, i’m passed worried
It was hilarious. Baldwin played Nixon in a dream sequence. You can see it here
Easy, I’m not being serious over here.
He gets his nerve from that other universe Toby was wondering about, maybe?
The one where the last sip of milk has already curdled.
I’m getting to the point that discussing McCain in anything resembling an intelligent manner is impossible. The man is just f***ing batshit crazy. Clinton, however, thinks he would make a better CinC than Obama. Go figure.
I loved that movie! Such American exceptionalism…..
Wolvereeeenes!
Yeah!
As foreign policy….not so much though. Geez, this McSame guy is even making Barry look almost acceptable.
Something to do with getting hung up by your elbow does that.
Digg for You BT…. Great Post! Here is another reason to vote Democratic…. Just add it to the list as to why the rethuglians must be buried in this falls elections With leadership like this it is no wonder the people have lost their trust in the party of Lincoln!!
I think your on to something there. His reference to many things is in the context of that time, well actually war and military period. it has defined who he is (rather he defines himself through it) and has never moved passed John McCain the POW to John McCain who was held as a POW but is blah blah blah.
I was born and raised after the Vietnam war, so while I have a respect for those that fought in the war, it has no bearing or importance as to how I see him. (hope that makes sense)
Fair enuf. I couldn’t tell.
I disagree, through her words and elaboration of her positions, her war vote, she has painted herself in my eyes as a war hawk.
So who would be in a McCain Cabinet? Paul Wolfowitz for Secretary of Defense, Douglas Feith for Secretary of State?
Long ago the Republics became the Party of Bush. Too bad the Democrats are busy becoming the Party of Clinton.
Can I see this guy’s psych records now?
I’ll watch it later. I have heard people try to make an argument for re-invading over the years. I put them in the looney category but ya gotta watch ‘em. They can do some really stupid shit.
Neil Bush for Secretary of Treasury.
From a quick and dirty search on the innertubes, I see that 215 things can cause hand tremors, including Parkinson’s Disease, alcoholism, MS, brain tumors and seizure disorders. Given what we already know about his medical history, in terms of drinking and boxing, I’d say we have a whole lot to be worried about in terms of his being either physically, psychologically, or mentally being able to do the job. We won’t discuss how important the choice of vice president might be given this situation. But those shaky hands worry me a whole bunch.
Maybe I’m missing something, but with what part do you disagree?
This is strictly parody, some people got on Tina because it mad fun of the Pubs so much!
This pack of thieves, pederasts and war criminals is not the party of Lincoln.
We are in real trouble when folks can say that and people like Barry, who are abysmally ignorant of recent American History, can came so close to being in the W.H. Fortunately the people are waking up to the fact that with Barry you get McSame, see latest polling, whereas with Clinton you will get payback.
The alternate universe where it’s okay to mention his thinning on top without getting called a name?
In August of 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery,[41][36] and McCain made an anti-American propaganda “confession”.[36] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable,[48] but as he would later write, “I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine.”[41] His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[ His hands are attached to his arms. They fucked him up badly.
Boxing? Head trauma can lead to anger control issues.
Oh, I understand that but I was amazed that someone would come up with that as a story line, parody or otherwise.
That Hillary would make a better C in C? I see her just as dangerous as McCain (sorry, but my opinion)
Froomkin’s column today is called Party of the Damned and begins
Tina Fey takes no prisoners. Did you see the SNL where she said “Bitch is the New Black”?
Nevermind, I misread your post.
Acck
It’s almost as if McCain wants to recreate the world he knew before he went to Vietnam…he said recently in a speech that the people who returned from WWII built a better nation than we have today….you know, like when blacks were segregated..the world was on the verge of nuclear annihilation…Leave it to Beaver was on…hippies were just little kids and hadn’t protested yet…and TV was in black and white….and there was no such thing as computers, email, fax machines, the web, the bloggers…and he was a much, much younger man.
A big part of McCain isn’t at all well….
Some people WANT a dangerous CIC to ward off the boogie people.
well, he’s right. Any nation that rigs elections, oppresses whole populations, institutionalizes torture does not belong among the ranks to the great nations. So that includes…
You have a linky or evidence to back up your assertion that one of the possible dem nominees to the president of the United States is ignorant to modern history or are you just making shit up?
(sorry all, a bit tired of random bullshit)
Could McCain possibly be more stupidly belligerent and out of touch? Never mind, rhetorical question.
Maybe but a dangerous C in C is the boogie man to me
From TPM Election Central
Thanks Bill and Hill! We’ll all joyously turn to you to save us! We love being on the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton treadmill while you all get richer and richer.
ooo, thanks for the reminder – yep – that would do it. There is an injury caused by damage done to the nerve in the armpit – it’s called brachial plexus palsy. Most of the time, it’s caused by babies being delivered by pulling on the arms or a child being yanked by the arm by an adult – but perhaps we’ve got something here.
“…thinks he…”
The operative word is “he”, meaning McCain. I probably should have said McCain instead of he. Sorry.
They bound the elbows together then pull you up off the floor by them. Most of the time they dislocate.
Which is why he is gonna blow, even before the debates.
He’s just not capable of putting up with people that dare to ask a tough question and then, after his bullshit reply, dare to make him really answer it.
Afternoon, all-
Great post, but I hated reading it. As someone who has respected McCain even while vehemently disagreeing with him, this really makes me worry…especially since I’m not at all convinced that he is going to lose in November.
Maybe he just figures that the US-Russia-China conflict is inevitable, so the sooner we get on with it, the better.
Nope. Totally my fault for skipping the pronoun *g*. I’m not quite with it today.
all the more reason to keep him out of the office.
Back to work. The good Rev Wright made me late this morning. What with his showing the national press corpse what dunderheads they are, an’ all. What a disgrace these people are. Sayonara.
Peace Love Light
The Neocons have always been about Russia and China ultimately.
later, SD
SouthernDragon! Have a nice day from across the Bay!
Given that our currency is now Bush dollars, the outcome of a US-Russia-China conflict will not be the same as the cold war.
Extremely dangerous.
Welcome to the club!
This is my point as well. I just can’t have a serious discussion about his candidacy anymore.
There is nothing of substance to him, and he’s dangerous.
Other than being in the military and a POW, he is remarkably unremarkable.
OT, but RonD, I saw your comment the other day about WMNF but I think my response was EPU’d. Just wanted you to know that Richard from Gulfport totally agrees with you. Been a supporter for many years. Member of the 1000/1000 Club, Circle of Friends, volunteer, the whole ball of wax. Best little radio station on the planet. Peace, brother.
Reminds me of Ronny’s annual exam, where they were always so careful to say that he was in ‘excellent physical shape’. I always wanted to ask them, pin them down until they answered, about his mental state.
Sometimes what they won’t say is more important that what they do say.
1,826 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Badwater:
Don’t worry about any a the bullshit polls comin outta the corporate media, we might reach a point where BOTH Obama and Mrs. McClinton ken beat McCrazy but after Rev. Wright got done with the US press corps this mornin’ and took out the McClintons at the NAACP yesterday…well, I gotta think Mrs. Clinton’s only chance ta be on a ticket this fall is with McCrazy.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE DON’T NEED NO MORE STINKIN’ FASCISTS!!
The turrists are only temporary boogiemen?
You mean like Rummy & Darth?
Both never got over Vietnam, and look where that got us.
Other than my friends and allies on the toobz, WMNF is my lifeline of sanity. Peace,Love, & Light to you as well, SD.
and both never went.
Hard to believe, isn’t it? Unionists, Communists, Hippie protesters, drugs, terrorists…interesting thought experiment: What will the next “war” be directed against?
What a marroon. Let’s drive Russia away from us. Learn to speak Chinese. I love it.
utahgirl
DANG! We just spent the past 7 1/2 yrs following Tom Clancy’s wildest fantasy games as the basis of furrin policy. NO. MORE! N.O.!!!
I want Stent. McSame in his proper place pronto, before he does any more damage.
To wit: In a rocking chair on a porch – pick a mansion, any one of the 8. makee no difference. Just NOT the Nation’s Mansion. ENOUGH!
am wondering aloud here if McClueless wasn’t simply throwing red meat to the older monied codgers of the Cold War era – you know, the ones that have yet to pony up the cash . . .
The next war will be of our own making, like the current ones. As in blowback (as in OBL) or in unprovoked aggression (as in Iraq). Iran’s clearly on W’s list. I’ve been trying to figure out what form the blowback will take.
Both never got over Vietnam, and look where that got us.
Got over what, mufuckers were never withing 1000 miles of it.
Except in Clancy, the intel isn’t cherry-picked and the President does actually give a shit.
If the Republics run out of steam with the turrists, they can always go back to the gays. They still want to get married and that can’t be allowed!
It’s suprising that during all those years of total power, the Republics didn’t ban gay marriage or catch Osama. I guess it’s more beneficial to them to use those issues election after election rather than ’solve’ them. Too bad that their voters don’t seem to notice.
Hi Rave. Hope you’re doin’ o.k.
Swell over here, Mrs Raven has the day off, Confederate Memorial Day down here!
Could be but good grief haven’t they signed on to Iraq and iran? i can understand harkening back to the days of old, but this is the shit of nightmares
OT, but has Frank Rich’s column been dicussed here yet?
He makes some points I agree with totally, such as
Wow, Christy, I read your original post back when posted, but somehow skimmed too much toward the end I guess, because I missed the suggestion about sending Bill Kristol to negotiate Israeli-Palestinian issues!!!
McCain’s mental infirmity is such we may to begin being decidedly un-shrill about it, in hopes of getting it noticed and taken seriously.
Once more, Wow!!!
okay. clancy only worse. that’s as far as i can bend.
re-read ending to any clancy. you can spot where he gets tired of writin’, & it just “ends” so nice and neat. why. it’s just a
miraclemirage.And don’t forget the abortion ban that was never even introduced into Congress. There are a lotta wedge-issue voters out there who still haven’t noticed how utterly they’ve been used.
That’s why the Republics will do everything possible to make the election about something else.
No fun ta fight the Russians if they ain’t commie- why doesn’t McBush attack China?
Our regards to Mrs. Raven also ;->
Have a good day.
Where are you? (I should know by now.)
New AP poll
POLL: AP-Ipsos National
Associated Press/Ipsos
(story, results)
National
Obama 46, McCain 44… Clinton 50, McCain 41
The Republican Party has always tried to project the image of the warrior class. After the end of the Cold War Era they were floundering for a new cause. Along came 9/11 and they were reborn. A new excuse to rape and pillage the national coffers and maintain power. Perhaps McCain thinks the Middle East has lost it’s luster to the American public and they’re planning on reserecting the good old stand by boogie man. Those nasty Russians!
hooray-ick… okay,heh
i’ll wait for the re-run before breaking a sweat…
Sadly for McCain and his nervous system (central and peripheral), he’s been exposed to multiple known causes of *tremor:
CNS injury secondary to head trauma (from prep school/USN boxing “with no reverse gear”)
CNS injury secondary to alcohol (binge drinking and chronic alcohol abuse)
Peripheral nerve injury (torture)
CNS impairment secondary to chronic emotional sequelae of torture
CNS injury secondary to prolonged anesthesia (from cervical lymph node dissection to treat his third known episode [and second recurrence] of malignant melanoma.
Possible additional causes of brain injury secondary to CNS neurotoxicity:
Radiation and/or chemotherapy for third (or second?) recurrance of malignant melanoma of the head and neck.
Until Sen McCain authorizes release of his full medical record to the public – not just one or two hand-picked docs working with MSM – we have no way of knowing what might be causing tremor in a candidate for Chief Executive nearing his ninth decade of life.
Peripheral nervous system disorder (brachial nerve injury)…
vs.
Central nervous system disorder (brain injury / injuries)?
Only his doctors can say for sure – by full release of all of his medical records.
[*tremor - fancy doc talk for “shaking”. Ain’t professional school grand?]
How will they get around Bush and “Puty Put” being pals?
That statement alone should make him certifiable.
Some possibilities:
The Kosovo Liberation Army provoking a wider war in the Balkans, possibly drawing in Russia on the side of the Serbs; some unifying effort between the Pakistanis, the Chechens, the Taliban, and the Bosnians; the Iraqi Kurds declaring independence.
Nightmare Scenarios R Us.
Athens, GA
Or, Dr. Kirk – “all of the above” -
I’m not from Georgia but I got here as soon as I could!
Thanks Ron.
And, before Adie’s comment, I hadn’t realized that our entire foreign policy was his fault.
I can’t stay with all depressing all the time. Sometimes I enjoy reading fiction for a diversion.
Fareed writes this for Newsweek.
(Posted the following over at EW’s. Seems to fit with this post too…)
Funny, this Op Ed runs on April 24, 2008, a piece written by Lugar and Nunn.(I note Syria presentation at this point too irt the date the op ed ran.)
http://www.newsweek.com/id/80929
Lugar is famous for, “Letters To The Next President.”
Lugar effectively ties in Russia’s need and the US’s need to remain compliant with past treaties and inspections.
Lugar gives a working solution to those ME and Asian nations stating they have a right to develop Nuclear energy. He does not say “NO!” He gives a working global solution and imparts the need for the US and Russia to take the lead to the formation of fuel bank which would safely track what “kind of fuel is being developed.
Now these run today:
.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00785.html
and this
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00255.html
Today, news reports state China to “work with North Korea through diplomatic channels…Russia to work with Iran through diplomatic channels… And last week, we deliver the non-diplomatic news presentation. Wow. Last month McCain suggests expulsion of Russia from the G-8. Goodness.
I think Lugar and Nunn were sending messages to multiple people within the beltway.
(My apologies for the long comment.)
Raven, we Floridians used to have great fun making fun of GA…but I gotta tell you, after seeing the mess that has been made of FL the last 25 years, GA is looking pretty good…!
Possibly, but I am thinking more along the lines of revenge on the U.S. directly.
Sorry to admit that I only know of Athens, GA because of the B-52s. Have listened tothem since I was a wee tyke.
Are you talkin’ funny yet? :)
He’ll look into his soul again and this time see that it’s been lost!
I googled “Society for the Re-Invasion of Vietnam” and came up empty handed. Is this a spoof?
we don’t categorize as tremor, odd outbursts and temper tantrums, plus weirdly illogical, unworkable, dangerous and downright creepy statements of policy agenda, do we?
except for causing tremor in this observer. ymmv
And R.E.M.
i don’t exactly recall any soul-illuminatin’ stares occurring recently, but i might-a missed sumthin.
Ah! ok…China gets tired of being publicly disrespected, and dumps their UD debt as a prelude to invading Taiwan. We’re too busy with the depression here to worry about Taiwan…I know you’re an economist…is the idea of China striking us through our debt unrealistic?
Sorry…”US debt…”
China does not want to attack the US…they want to be like the US…
REM baby!
Problem is, the GA legislature thinks the stull they did in FL was pretty good. So, they’re doin’ it, too.
These are not mutually exclusive…easier for them to take our place if we’re out of the way…
There might be circumstances under which China might dump U.S. treasuries, but they wouldn’t do it deliberately & voluntarily. They would be big losers if they did. Like Donald Trump, the U.S. is too big to fail. Big borrowers own the bank.
Not to mention, if they totally destroyed us, how would we pay back our debt?
It was a 30 Rock Episode two weeks ago and yes it was a spoof.
I didn’t grow up listening to them *g* but cool to know. I’m more of the house music/rave type.
And Trex, the blogger not the band.
China won’t have to attack the US. Within the next ten years they’ll own all of it! They wouldn’t want to destroy us. They’d just have to spend all the money we’ve shipped over there to rebuild it. They’re shrewder business people than that.
Sowing the Seeds of love.
awl
Never heard Widespread Panic I take it?
With McBush we’d have a prez who could mount up in a military aircraft and lead the bombing runs of Moscow—-YA–HOOOOO! Like havin Slim Pickins in the White House.
Reagan destroyed that Soviet Union- as all americans know- maybe McBush didn’t get the message?
At the moment, it looks as if the Chinese are pretty busy with trying to eliminate any non-Han Chinese peoples. There was an article in the CS Monitor this morning about what they are doing to the Uighers, a Muslim minority.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20…..3b3K2s0NUE
So it sounds like, unless they decided they were never going to be repaid, or repaid in money so devalued that it amounts to the same thing, we should be safe, at least from that particular event…or unless they feared we might intervene in a move on Taiwan. Cool. I’ll cross that one off the list.
Thanks,eCAHN!
If that isn’t an argument for keeping him the hell out of the White House, I don’t know what is.
I give. What’s awl?
This is sort of on-topic, as a foreign policy matter. I was disappointed to see Obama interview with FOX, and really disheartened when I heard FOX news (I keep FOX local news on in the evening before bedtime, don’t ask why) offer a snippet quoting Obama saying “he’d be stupid…not to listen to Petraeus”. So I was pleased to read what Obama said in its entirety:
The Jihadi’s better be cool, you ain’t seem shit if you think we are all brutal. The Chinese don’t play dat.
It’s a thing you use to set a nail with.
No, but thanks for the link. I’m going to go check them out right now.
* Scratch awl, a tool with a long pointed spike used for marking wood.
* Stitching awl, a tool used by leatherworkers, such as cobblers (shoemakers), to pierce holes in leather.
* Bradawl, a tool for making holes in wood.
concluding paragraph of Newsweek piece cited above:
“McCain appears to think that he can magically unite the two main strands in the Republican foreign-policy establishment. But he can’t. This is not about personalities but about two philosophically divergent views of international affairs. Put together, they will produce infighting and incoherence. We have seen this movie before. We have watched an American president unable to choose between his ideologically driven vice president and his pragmatic secretary of State—and the result was the catastrophe of George W. Bush’s first term. Twenty-five years earlier, we watched another president who believed that he could encompass the entire spectrum of foreign policy. He, too, gave speeches that were drafted by advisers with divergent world views: in that case, Cyrus Vance and Zbigniew Brzezinski. It led to the paralyzing internal battles of the Carter years. Does John McCain want to try this experiment one more time?”
See, that’s why I love this place.
I learn something new all the time.
But, you know how much I love Context.
An oasis in Deep Dixie.
The reason why I’m pondering blowback is because after the fact it was so obvious that anti-communism via proxy wars created the global terrorists. I made my living as an econommic forecaster. I’d like to carry my skill over to foreign policy. If the last one was so obvious after the fact, it was probably forecastable. And maybe the next one will be too. But perhaps there are so many possibilities a priori (as your suggestions illustrate), that chossing the one that will actually happen is possible only by luck. On one specific Q (WMDs in Iraq), I got the forecast right. But that was a true or false Q, not a multiple choice Q.
McCain “radical”
nail setter, naw
o.i.l. yup yup yup
We always called those things you set nails with “nailsets”…but that was in Oregon where we try to use smaller vocabularies.
jes cuz it be there don’ mean it be right.
goodgawd whut a mess i made of a perfectly good thread.
apologies.
i be good now….
Yea, it’s pretty blue here but the ATL is too.
Supremes just decided that it’s OK to require state issued picture ID in order to vote- just eliminated millions of dem voters with the sweep of a pen.
Hmmm. Turns out the US Navy doesn’t entirely agree with this…
Tangentially…
I’ve always thought that the conservative obsession with Red Dawn was a little misplaced. Now it’s true that I had to sneak into the theater the last time I saw the movie (because I was underage), but it did make quite an impression on me. What I remember is: First, it was an insurgency against an invading/occupying power making preemptive war (sound familiar?) In no way did I, even at age 15, think that it justified vast imperial adventures (the second amendment – yes, preemptive war – no). Second, almost all of them (the American high-school insurgents) died, and died ugly. Sure, there were a few scenes in which the “Wolverines” pull off some stunning tactical victories, but taken as a whole, I saw it as a rather sobering film.
Well yah- it’s total bullshit- but we’re talkin gooper party here- if it waren’t bullshit- how’d we know where it CAME from?
Hi demi!
I like to read fiction too, hon. Just haven’t had a lot of time lately.
{{{demi}}}
pleeze see 161.
then we be square. a-yup.
awl = oil in GA & LA et al.
I thought this was perceptive. A microcosm of this was his saying he’d get Bill Kristol and Anthony Zinni to give him advice on how to reach a Middle East peace.
We all know which camp has won with McCain already, though.
McClueless gave the speech on 3/26
fundraising for 3/08
launched first commercial for Gen Elect on 3/28 – note drop off from that day
Yeah, but isn’t it cool to see someone being honest about it?
oops, visa versie-like
Yes it is- obviously not a gooper.
Ronnie Raygun Jr. plans to vote for Obama- says ya can’t trust a gooper ta run anything- wonder if anyone’s ever asked him if he thinks his dad destroyed the Soviet Union?
thanks klynn
No worries.
We’re square.
I knew you didn’t mean awl.
I’m blond, but not That Blond.
Bingo.
No problem. You’re welcome!
Thanks for reading…
I miss nuclear brinksmanship. I loved unquestioned defense budgets, Europe as a chessboard. Thank God for gramps McCain to restore the good ol days.
Done
I am too lateto this thread but man I have to get this in
cheney has been trying to get us back on a war footing and cold war stance since time began
he even created a “cia b” to create data that would undermine nixon’s detante
so he did it to nixon and now he’s doing it to us
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0213-28.htm
that is an absolute must read for everyone