Which raises the question: What exactly is the difference between publicly wishing for an event to occur and actually advocating it? Whatever line might exist between them is in fact pretty thin.
But Limbaugh wants the public to see them as two entirely different things, at least after going on the air and hoping that riots will disrupt the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August:
"Riots in Denver, the Democrat Convention would see to it that we don’t elect Democrats," Limbaugh said during Wednesday’s radio broadcast. He then went on to say that’s the best thing that could happen to the country.
Limbaugh cited Al Sharpton, saying the Barack Obama supporter threatened to superdelegates that "there’s going to be trouble" if the presidency is taken from Obama. Several callers called in to the radio show to denounce Limbaugh’s comments, when he later stated, "I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver."
Howie Klein wonders why Limbaugh isn’t being charged with advocating violence on the airwaves, and he has a point. The problem is that Limbaugh — as he always does — has constructed this rhetoric as a "joke" or a "schtick," which for years has given him the opening he needs to escape culpability for the underlying ugliness of the "humor", which in fact is largely eliminationist in nature.
No, it seems everyone is eager to just write this off as "that’s just Rush being Rush, right?" But what if there are riots in Denver this summer? Particularly, what if they’re created not by those thuggish (and mostly nonwhite) liberal Democrats, as he envisions, but by right-wing troublemakers inspired by Limbaugh himself?
Limbaugh doubtless again will deny he had anything to do with it. But you have to wonder if he’ll be able to pull it off this time.
The key is that his rhetoric has been focused on his boogadah-boogadah portrait of the modern Democratic Party, dominated by blacks, who of course won’t be able to contain themselves from rioting if Obama is denied the nomination. It’s all part of his "Operation Chaos," which he claims is already working:
Limbaugh’s effort, which began early this year, is a call to arms urging conservatives and Republican voters to re-register as Democrats – and create chaos in that party’s presidential nomination process by casting a vote.
The proof that it is working, Limbaugh says, is in the unusual turnout of turncoats: An estimated 100,000 GOP voters crossed over in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary. And he argues it’s no coincidence that TV networks last week appeared reluctant to rely on exit polling and waited more than an hour before calling a solid Keystone State win for Clinton. "Operation Chaos" loyalists have been following orders to mess with exit pollers en masse – by lying to them, Limbaugh says.
"The endgame is to see that neither of these candidates can win by virtue of the primaries," Limbaugh told The Chronicle last week. "One or the other will win only when the superdelegates decide who they want. And whoever the supers choose will infuriate the loser’s supporters. More chaos."
Already, he notes, both Clinton and Obama have been "weakened — which was the objective," and their negatives are both approaching 50 percent. He cheers the fact that Obama "hasn’t won a primary since Feb. 22 … and he has lost in seven of the 10 most populous states."
But the cold reality is that when Limbaugh goes on the airwaves and says he’s "dreaming of riots in Denver," not all of his listeners will conclude that he wants them to originate with liberals. There are, and always have been, unstable characters on the right who won’t wait around for that — they’ll go out and cause the riots themselves.
And they won’t necessarily have to be out there causing trouble as conservatives. Agents provocateur from the right causing trouble by posing as left-wing activists is nothing new.
At the very minimum, Limbaugh’s "dream" of riots in Denver are of the "will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" type of rhetoric: He won’t openly call for people to create riots in Denver, but it wouldn’t break his heart.
That, at the very minimum, is the height of irresponsibility for anyone in the business of broadcasting on the public airwaves. Because he’s openly hoping for violence and mayhem. Even his fans in Denver are dismayed:
Denver City Councilman Charles Brown, a Republican and Limbaugh listener, was said he was outraged by Limbaugh’s comments. Brown, who was a teacher in Illinois during the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968, said he recalled the injuries, chaos and disgrace for the city as a result.
"Regardless of political labels, for any radio announcer to wish a riot on a city so his party could win, that’s disgraceful and it’s absurd," Brown said.
If violence does occur, and especially if it comes at the hands of someone who spent too much time thinking that Rush Is Right, we can probably figure on an attempt at replaying what happened in 1995, after the Oklahoma City bombing, and Bill Clinton’s subsequent denunciation of "loud and angry voices" railing against the government day after day. We all remember what happened next, right?
Though Clinton certainly never identified Limbaugh as one of those "angry voices," almost immediately Limbaugh responded with cries of censorship and claims that Clinton was attempting to silence him. The protests have continued so steadily that the claim that Clinton blamed Limbaugh has become a stock theme about the supposed perfidy of liberals.
Indeed, Ann Coulter herself continued this meme in her book, Slander: Liberal Lies About The American Right, 92-93: "When impeached former president Bill Clinton identified Rush Limbaugh as the cause of the Oklahoma City bombing, he unleashed all the typical liberal curse words for conservatives. He blamed ‘loud and angry voices’ heard ‘over the airwaves in America’ that were making people ‘paranoid’ and spreading hate."
Ah yes, the Avatars of Personal Responsibility. We saw this happen again with the strange case of Chad Castagana — the right-wing nutcase, inspired by Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, who sent terroristic anthrax threats to a variety of liberal figures — when his sources on the right either airily dismissed the connection or simply ignored it.
Sooner or later, they’re going to cause so much mayhem, and the connection will be so obvious, that they won’t be able to write it off as a mere "joke" anymore. But that won’t ever stop them from trying.
Related posts:
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- Stark on the Hill: Will Pete King Denounce Rush Limbaugh?
- Rush Limbaugh’s Failure Paradox
- Late Night: RACISM ALERT!11! Rush Limbaugh Not Allowed to Own Football Team Because He Belongs to Oppressed Minority Class (i.e., Rich Screechy White Twits)
- Late Night: MSNBC – Will Any Republican Denounce Rush Limbaugh?





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MSNBC got into the legality of what Limbaugh is saying pretty heavily- reaching the conclusion that he could not be indicted for inciting a riot when talking about something months in the future and from a remote location…..
The real mystery is why he still has listeners- but he does- and that tells you a lot about America.
Anyone asks mccain on whether he denounces and rejects Rush’s statements and hell just rush, period?
I mean let’s see this ‘leadership’ in action! He says he is tough enough to take on terrorists but can he take on Rush?
Rush Limbaugh: “There won’t be riots at our convention,” Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. “We don’t riot. We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses. We don’t kill our children. We don’t do half the things the American left does.”
Why won’t their be riots at the republic convention? Oh that’s right! Because republics only start riots on the other side of the aisle! Fucking bastards.
Would it be wrong to say Ass Limbo should be rioted on or is that going to far? Spit.
“The real mystery is why he still has listeners”
_____________
“No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.”
- Mencken
One of my readers observed that Limbaugh’s show has more canned segments during the time advertisers normally would have an ad. That tells ya he’s losing or has lost some advertising over the past year. I had wondered why all these skits were popping up (and they’re not funny either…republics aren’t good at being funny) and now I know: HE’S QUIETLY LOSING FUNDING.
Rush and the fellow in the Guy Fawkes mask can’t have their chat in the shower soon enough.
Well he certainly wouldn’t be leading any rioting or out there with them because he is at his core a coward. He sits inside his home and bloviates on a daily basis and his only contact with the real world comes from his pill supplier
“Some Humans Ain’t Human.”
_ John Prine
He’s got his Viagra too and every time he gets an erection from this drug he considers it as a positive reaction from his penis that he’s doing a great job on his radio show still!
Gawd I despise that man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwhlI3E3bQE
What is so surprising is he has a young girlfriend in her 30’s right now. Ewwwww, what kind of woman could ever date this man and I’d like to know how many abortions he’s paid for over the years too!
That image may have very well turned me off of sex for a while (mr wobbs thanks you). I, for one, am glad that he has yet to spawn and as far as the 30-something girlfriend? it’s for appearances as we all know he has a penchant for Dominicans *g*
Why does Disney support Limbaugh hate radio?
Why do Disney sponsors support Rush Limbaugh?
Why do Disney shareholders allow the Disney brand to be threatened by supporting Rush Limbaugh?
The way to break the right wing stranglehold on the MSM is to give Disney the same treatment CBS got for supporting Don Imus — attack brand Disney, and the Disney sponsors; hang Rush’s hate around their necks, and his ABC Radio gig will be over.
The clue to Limbaugh’s teflon on this is his use of the project name
CHAOS from the US government program to disrupt and provoke violence
in domestic political activity from the 1960’s. There may be more than
a dogwhistle at work here, given Limbaugh’s closeness to the Republican
Party. It could be that his immunity arises from his so-called joke being
an official program of the Republicans and the branch of government they
control. Agent Provocateur is a more accurate description of the position
he holds, he may be bragging, as is his habit, about being in on a plan
that is unfolding before us.
Hi, Dave! I know this is late, but congrats on the serious gig here!
These sick right-wing fuckers always hide behind “jokes”. I hope that the left figures out a way to call them on this garbage without just feeding the “humorless schoolmarm” trope.
The problem is that Limbaugh — as he always does — has constructed this rhetoric as a “joke” or a “schtick,” which for years has given him the opening he needs to escape culpability
Yep. Kinda like when your read a mean-spirited comment here, but, then there’s the little *g* that they think gets them off?
I know I’m not perfect, far from it, but that kinda thing ticks me off.
I wonder if the way to combat this is simply to say, “9/11 changed everything.” And call the police, Homeland Security, the FBI, file lawsuits, and just don’t stop.
Jeffery Feldman over at Frameshop is open has a new book called Outright Barbarous where he addresses these threats of violence on the right and how we should be VERY worried and forewarned…..
Is that “threats of violence on the right” or “threats of violence from the right”?
When I think of Rush I think of those poor women of the Dominican Republic that have to deal with him during his vacations there. What an American export.
I think Limbaugh’s actions convey a certain amount of contempt for McCain – like, he knows that McCain will be called upon to denounce these comments, but won’t dare to do so – in effect showing that McCain is too wimpy to cross the mighty Rush.
FROM the Right…. gee even preview did not help!
There will be lots of hookers at the Republican convention though, probably both male and female.
Thanks, just wanted to be sure I read that right :)
I truly believe that it would not be beyond the realm of possiblility for the Republican Party to get the equivalent of mercenaries (paid s* disturbers) to start something at the convention in Colorado. I expect that they will be pretty desperate by that time. The thought of a Democrat in the White House and the possible indictments that may ensue… not to mention war profits that could be going away after the election.
Yes, I could see them doing it, and I’m not even a conspiracy type.
exactly! that would kind of fly inthe face of mccain’s leadership ability, right? i don’t think this is going to get rush off the air but it cenrtainly is fodder to go after mccain
How good is your memory?
and blue candy
“Senator McCain, do you support Rush Limbaugh’s calls for violence and riots at the Democratic national convention?”
Followup: “So, Senator McCain, you denounce and reject Rush Limbaugh’s calls for violence and riots at the Democratic national convention?”
See, media? It’s really easy to ask these questions. Especially if you’re on the bus.
will there be a shrine in the airport restroom? pilgrimage to follow. news at 11.
It’s also called Passive-Agressive…I think.
But, no one wants to go there.
Like I’ve said before many times….all protests are peaceful until the right wingers show up!
Rush is feeding into the divide of the Democrats right now and will send out his troops to Colorado to fan the flames.
Rush’s attitude is what can be expected when a person thinks himself beyond the law. This is not the first time Limbaugh has made totally irresponsible statements such as this. So, every year he is paid more to make ever more irresponsible statements.
I’d love to hear his attacks if some “liberal” made equivalent statements about the government, the Bush administration, or the Republican convention. He’d be flapping his not insignificant jaw for weeks about it.
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.
What if someone mentioned Rush’s address on African American and Spanish radio in Florida? You know on the music stations that play that kind of music? What if the mentioning was done when Florida’s state Prisoners were taking a break assuming they get radio access and they included a clip about the best of Rush’s thoughts on GangBangers?
We could then hide behind Rush’s denials of wanting violence and say its a joke:)
I was wondering if anyone knew/remembered the official scheme that
lardass is yelling about. Thanks Raven.
uh huh. But he doesn’t have to answer those types of questions that would go to judgement and leadership and all, cause he makes good ribs
Have you noticed a pattern? Voices critical of BushCo who say something stupid get fired or in serious trouble (Maher, Cafferty, Imus, Schuster, Rhodes). Those who support Bush get a pass. Rush more than anyone. He is the most unpatriotic, America-hater out there. And that’s alright because he’s a part of the team.
And, I’d bet a years salary that he supplements his income from a payoff from some neocon organization or the govt. itself.
they might want to exapnd and renovate to accomodate the ‘increased flow’ (pardon the pun)
Time Magazine, July 1970
pills don’t grow on trees. the man is a flat out coward. he says the stuff he does because he is hiding behind the box and his friends/cohorts in high places are equally adle minded
With those qualifications it’s no wonder that Rush is an honorary member of the Bush family.
Rush needs something to bluster and fume about or all the angry people in the nation would quit listening to him…Seems that I heard he blustered about McCain not bein a real conservative for months- so he can’t make McCain the focus of his bullshit- that leaves the dems- and this is about as good as he can do..
If he ever did a factual analysis of anything- all of his listeners would turn off the show- he only gets listeners by being outrageous…..He’s having a tough time right now- but will see a resurgence if there is a dem prez and congress- he plays a better game as an outsider than as an “IN”.
I remember when rush first came on the air, man he was hated, totally hated here in new york and there were no sponsors
yet somehow clearchannel saw fit to give him a national spot, insisted on broadcastng this clear unadulterating liar as many times in the same market as they could get away with
and sure enough, he started convincing people that what he said was the truth, no matter how bizzare, no matter how rediculous, if rush said it it became gospel
and then he started electing officials, literally, if rush wanted someone in office or someone out his voice carried that kind of power
so there it was, the republicans counted on rush and the corporations counted on rush if they wanted a particular law passed or rescinded, rush would get it done for them
I’ll tell you what, I would never have believed a fat talentless dweeb like rush would be able to influence the policies and direction of this country but he surely has
I blame clinton, he had the oportuninty to reinstate the fairness doctrine, he had the oportunity to enforce the laws the kept media from consolidating and he renegged his responsibility
I blame clinton more then rush
My local AM station just switched to Jim Rome during that time slot. They also moved Neal Boortz to the evening and replaced him with Dave Ramsey. Another local station canceled Laura Ingraham. could it be that my very conservative southern city is not so conservative anymore? Are Limbaugh and Ingraham losing listeners?
Yes.
The people are waking up.
Laura Ingraham….*shudder*
1,825 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
David Neiwert and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Again, bless your heart and your mind for the tremendous work you have been doin’ for years on the subject of domestic terrorism, racism and anti-democratic political action groups. We have reached the point in the disintegration of our liberal, democratic society that the publicly licensed airwaves can be used by corporately sponsored hate-talkers to stimulate acts of terror against individuals and groups. This has been goin’ on for many years but the tippin’ point in the growth of the corporately sponsored “terror talkers” was reached in the second Reagan term. The right-wing hate-spielers found sanctuary in radio free speech and the corporate sponsors (like Wall-Mart) found them very lucrative target marketers. This relationship has grown and very little space has been given to the political-economy behind the growth of the “terror-talkers”.
But today we have reached another level in the development of the domestic political terror phenomenon…one of the candidates in the DEMOCRATIC Party primary is threatening to carry her campaign all the way to the convention even if it creates popular mass action against it. I believe the tactics of Mrs. McClinton to ride behind the fascist Republican race attack ads in North Carolina (soon to be seen, I’m certain in Indiana) are jest another example of the coordination of the corporatist political machine between McCrazy and McClinton. The poison of free-speech protected terror-talkers has contaminated our political blood stream and the silence is deafening from our political establishment, especially the Democratic leadership.
We have a leader emerging on the democratic left but the institutional forces in his own party are standing silent as the corporate sponsored terror-talkers incite action against him. I am very worried about Obama’s safety in the comin’ months before the nomination and convention but certainly AT the convention if McClinton is able to create havoc there. Let’s remember the words of that famous McClinton sponsored oracle from the toilet bowl as he tried to extort the Democratic Party on behalf of his candidate: “How the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November.”
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THERE IS NO COMPROMISING WITH THE DEVIL OR FASCISTS!!
That’s interesting.
I would guess that Rush IS losing listeners- but I would also imagine that he retains a LOT of em…
It’s been a little tough for him since he was forced to begin defending Bush- makes him a part of the mainstream rather than a Guerrila Warrior.
It takes a lot of reading cases, as opposed to statutes, but there is a line of cases which say that to result in liability for aiding and abetting, one needs to be “cheering on the success of” or “cheerleading” or similarly “encouraging the success of” the illegal activity. It varies both from state to state and vis-a-vis the federal government, but I think a prosecutor could pretty easily make out a prima facie case of aiding and abetting, in the event there do turn out to be disturbances at the Dem Convention.
Right now, if I were a prosecutor, I’d issue a grand jury subpoena for tapes of his shows. Just so they don’t not-make-it to the archives.
In the 1930s, Meyer Lansky and his gang stepped outside their usual criminal activities to break up rallies held by Nazi sympathizers. Lansky recalled a particular rally in Yorkville, a German neighborhood in Manhattan, that he and 14 other hoods disrupted:
The stage was decorated with a swastika and a picture of Hitler. The speakers started ranting. There were only fifteen of us, but we went into action. We threw some of them out the windows. . . . Most of the Nazis panicked and ran out. We chased them and beat them up… We wanted to show them that Jews would not always sit back and accept insults. [1]
During World War II, Lansky was also instrumental in helping the Office of Naval Intelligence’s Operation Underworld, in which the US government recruited criminals to watch out for German infiltrators and submarine-borne saboteurs.
[edit]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Lansky
If the GOP has another mob in business suits show up to stop voting in Florida I say we follow Meyer’s example showing up is half the battle. We have the net we have cell phones on election day when everybody is looking at the Lefty blogs we can get crowds out anywhere.
With 70% of America wanting an end to war and with gas prices going up I’m sure that number is only growing does Rush really want to think about the violence that could happen on election day or at the GOP convention?
President Bush and Darth already do not speak in public anymore unless the audience is prescreened.
Only after McCain joins the prescreened for applause club will we know that the American people are taking his candidacy for President seriously.
After all his positions are hardly different than Bush’s.
That made me smile. I sure hope it’s a real sign.
Ooh! I like this new “show text” gizmo!
Taking a small dip in the lake while baking bread I find the super (new) “show text” dohickey. Pretty neat.
I have never heard or seen Lush Limpaw but
thousand of pies thrown at him from millions of people….
Only after McCain joins the prescreened for applause club will we know that the American people are taking his candidacy for President seriously.
Who says he isn’t now?
He sure does here in AZ…… OMG you should of heard the objections when he was doing his Social Security & Immigration townhalls here …. Repugs whining that it was handpicked crowds…… calling McBush a liberal….. calling him lots of names….
I guess I should have mentioned that even though Limbaugh and Ingraham are gone, Beck, O’Reilly, and Hannity (and Boortz in a later time slot) are still on the air here. Baby steps, I guess…
I agree. rush does rely on outrage. but he’s alsos spawned a media industry for it. Watch Lou Dobbs any night and you see a nativist version of the same thung.
NanceGreggs
This is a fitting question to all those who support GWBH… STILL!!
As a reward for his service Lansky was “allowed” to run the casinos in Havana under Batista. After Batista’s ouster he aligned with the exiled Batista supporters, like those who still control the majority of Florida’s sugar, until his death. Like the Batista moustache petes, he hated Castro for taking his lucrative “business” away from him.
mud pies? poo pies?
I find Lou Dobbs to be a walking contradiction. totally anti immigrant/ anti- brown but is married to a hispanic woman (how does she hold down her bile?)
Katymine that is the freakin story we need to push! If McCain is already screening his crowds then the Maverick looks Chicken.
Then we watch the Main Stream Media fumble to explain as we push that story. Then we prepare for expected GOP dirty tricks at our rallies.
Rush it seems is almost expecting violence at our rallies I smell a set up.
The Rush message in a nutshell is that the world is being run by evil people called “liberals” who wish to control the nation and the world through education, the school system, government, and the water supply…
He’s actually a consipracy theory whackjob—but lots of people share his theory.
Maybe the first NeoCon a Lefty in youth with a cause to help people. A conservative who cares about money first in old age?
Make mine poo please
Thanks for another outstanding summary of the situation, citizen Norske.
The “liberals” are dangerous according to Rush because they have all the scientists and academic people on their side- makin arguments that ordinary people are pretty sure must be bullshit- but can’t prove it cause they don’t have time to do the research—But they have Rush ta save em.
Thank goodness we have Blackwater to control the rioters
ya, if there is something good that the republicans don’t want, rush finds a method to critisize it
his base beleive him like he is god and I am really surprised he doesn’t run for office because I believe he will win any red state he runs
fermenting mulch pie for me
These scientists an professors and liberal politicians look down their noses at “ordinary people” cause they believe that the world was created in six days and that the best way ta keep yer daughter from gettin pregnant is to keep her away from birthcontrol devices.
blackwater was developed by deliberatly depleting our own defense, by depleting our national guard, our military.
they are the equivilent of hitler’s brown shirts
Hispanic but is she brown? A lot of the pale ones go on and on about being of Castilian origin some of them think there White until someone makes fun of their Spanish accent. Then they are sooo hurt.
yep. Then shrub will call marshall law and ……
“We don’t kill our children.”
True, they don’t serve. Just other peoples’.
I’ve seen her pic, she is on of us (brown folk). We in Brasil hear that crap from the Argentinians all the time (they’re European, etc.) well I didn’t see Europe beating down the door to help them when the counrty went bankrupt. You can still vacation there like royalty (at least on Euros or the Pound)
So, what can be done with this problem? Without offending first amendment rights, are we to simply resign ourselves to this hate mongering over our public airwaves forever?
Break up the media conglomerates and repeal the 1996 Telecom Act, for starters.
This was during that 2005 period of the Social Security give to Wall Street push and there were events here where McBush was speaking for it here in AZ…. heard it on the local teevee.
the fairness doctrine plane and simple, when there is a republican or democratic point of view expressed, that broadcaster must pay to have the oposing points of view with equal time
and we need to break up corporate owned media, consolidated media
david says in the post—-The problem is that Limbaugh — as he always does — has constructed this rhetoric as a ”joke” or a ”schtick,” which for years has given him the opening he needs to escape culpability for the underlying ugliness of the ”humor”, which in fact is largely eliminationist in nature.
No, it seems everyone is eager to just write this off as ”that’s just Rush being Rush, right?”..snip…..
The key is that his rhetoric has been focused on his boogadah-boogadah portrait of the modern Democratic Party, dominated by blacks, who of course won’t be able to contain themselves from rioting if Obama is denied the nomination
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ed schultz is nooooo better……i noticed this past week he toned it down a notch….
i’ve been writing him for a while now, tell him i check in once a week to see if it’s still ’rush with red hair’, yep, worse than last week…tune in next week…
told him i’m counting how many people no longer listen to him around here, count is in the 30’s…..local station looking to replace a show, i nominated his, repeatedly, even though i’d no longer hear the interviews, but they’ve become so lame, ain’t missin’ nuthin’….and stephanie miller….
ed schultz makes me more afraid for mankind than rush limbaugh, cuz he’s saying he represents ME, a democrat.
he’s a rat’s ass.
there aren’t too many people walkin’ around on this earth that i despise, and i have grown to despise him. everytime i hear him call someone ’buddy’, and kiss up, i wanna crawl through the radio. and not to take him candy.
the reps and senators need him and he knows it and msnbc keeps callin’ him to comment as a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT…..he’s rush limbaugh with red hair. i absolutely hate the man and what he stands for and what he manipulates people into thinking every single weekday. SPIT/. bullseye.
No, but it is going to take time to dismantle this crap. for now, i say we splinter the repugs by forcing mccain to distance himself from rush and keep hitting mccain on these blow hards (like hannity, etc.) make the grand ole flip flopper choose a side 9either he wantds the moderates or he wants to loon wing)
It seems the most likely set up for him to declare martial law he needs us to do violence or at least blame us for violence his agent provocateurs do preferably at an Obama rally so he can discredit the youth and races working together.
We need to show the public ahead of such accusations that McCain, Darth and Bush are scared of appearing before the American people unless prescreened for loyalty.
We need to do this so any declaration of martial law looks like the paranoid rantings of desperate loosers.
I’m so with you on that!!!!
agreed
We have to elect more progressives to Congress so that we may change/enforce laws through oversight.
The thing about Rush and his look alikes is that he only appeals to the people who already share his views. I don’t think he convinces anyone who is sitting on the fence- only those who are already buried in bullshit on the right side.
…but I don’t put anything past people who have suspended habeus corpus
Ok she is brown then what is her problem is she like Jeb Bush’s wife who seems embarrassed about her family?
(please note this gossip is from my sister who’s ex is married to one of her cousin’s)
and i’ve waited a long time to say that about ed schultz, i said a mild slam one day……
i wondered if it was better to have a ’bad dem’ on the radio here than none…..that’s why i kept it to myself, but now, he’s not goin’ back, he made the shift, he made the choice and his tactics and attitude don’t represent me or anyone i know.
decided he is worse than rush or anything that could end up in the slot…….
trying to get democracy now in the stephanie miller slot.
Well well well… look what comes to light with the google…
McBush positions on Social Security & Medicare
Will go back and read comments, but do note it’s never been about advertising with Limbaugh…it’s been about Ailes and Co. using him as a propaganda tool. That would go forward even if there were no advertising. Look into the technology of how he wass packaged and distributed to the marketplace.
The hillbilly heroin junkie is not just agitating for riots, he’s coding “I’m Dreaming of a White Christmas….” with emphasis on WHITE. The more Obama’s nomination becomes an inevitability, the more the “Vast White Wing” will show itself.
“If by maverick you mean flip-flopper”
So we need to get McCain talking about Social Security after all where else can he get spending cuts big enough to offset his tax cuts.
Bwahhahaha! If McCain will not tell us what he will cut then we can tell people what we think he will cut. When he backs away we advance!
McCain STILL Proposes Privatizing Social Security—Despite What His Website Says. McCain told the Wall Street Journal he still backs a system of private retirement accounts that he supported in 2000 and President Bush pushed unsuccessfully. The Journal reported he “disowned” details of a proposal on his 2008 campaign website that says he would “supplement” the existing Social Security system with personally managed accounts. But when asked about the position change he denied it and promised to change the website to reflect his true position. “I’m totally in favor of personal savings accounts… As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it—along the lines that President Bush proposed,” McCain told the Journal.[Wall Street Journal, 3/3/08; Campaign Website, accessed 3/3/08]
McCain Might Raise the Retirement Age and Reduce Cost-of-Living Adjustments. “[T]he McCain campaign says the candidate intends to keep Social Security solvent by reducing the growth in benefits over the coming decades to match projected growth in payroll tax revenues. Among the options are extending the retirement age to 68 and reducing cost-of-living adjustments, but the campaign hasn’t made any final decisions. ‘You can’t keep promises made to retirees,’ said Mr. Holtz-Eakin, McCain’s chief economic aide.” [Wall Street Journal, 3/3/08
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/p…..rement.cfm
We can have sooo much fun with a series of posts on this!
i don’t know. people do things that many of us will never understand. maybe it is self hate? or michelle malkin disease?
What’s the matter with Stephanie Miller? She is a great progressive radio personality.
McBush painted himself into several corners talking about cutting “ear marks” without knowing he would cut benefits for Vets and active duty military…. That blanket cutting of earmarks should bite him on the butt…..
ya there some stuff which shouldn’t be there BUT there are a lot of things that should…. I really love the earmark for AZ that is finally putting in light rail transit [about damn time]
talking out your ass will get you pinned in a corner really quick
So what are 401K’s if not private accounts?
Are they proposing another type of private account OR it is bleed the treasury dry and go back to the number one cause of death of the elderly prior to the enactment of SSI which was hypothermia….. THEY froze to death because they could not afford heat!
What about the fact that Rush and Dodd call out for vigilante violence againse immigrants, and then it happens? Why don’t they get any blame for that?
Dodd or Dobbs?
Dobbs
I believe that would be Dobbs not Dodd
McBush has already come out in favor of privatizing social security as I recall. That would be enough to ensure his defeat in November if he sticks to it.
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ACCU
Check out the ten year chart on google finance ClearChannel which markets Rush had a 10 year high in January 14, 2000 of $91.75 today its selling for $29.70 despite takeover rumors which normally raise a stock’s price.
I wonder if Bain Capital the hedge fund trying to buy ClearChannel can afford Rush’s drug habit?
If Rush is so popular than why has his employers stock price gone down almost two thirds?
My IRA off 10% in the past year (as is my wife’s, and we tried to be conservative in our fund distribution allotments). Our stock portfolio is down about 25%.
Lou Dobbs is the second most hated person in the AZ Hispanic community right after Sheriff Joe and his round up the brown people for driving while brown.
Rush is a pretty small part of Clear Channel isn’t he?
No, we need to stick it to him
good question. denial that times and things have changed under the repugs. they can’t claim fiscal , national security, homeland security, domestic responsibility or the moral high ground. what’s a diminished group to do?
I think its another account your SS money would be given to you in part or full to invest in the market if you take the cash out before retirement you would get taxed hard and if you lose the money in the market well your on your own.
We need to get the media talking about this!
wobbly at 95–”What’s the matter with Stephanie Miller? She is a great progressive radio personality.”
i think the words ’radio personality’ would answer that question.
hmmmmmm stephanie miller or amy goodman……..hmmmmm……kinda answers itself.
With 1,200 stations, Clear Channel is the largest radio station group owner in the United States, both by number of stations and by revenue. According to BIA Financial Network, Clear Channel Radio recorded more than $3.5 billion in revenues in 2005, more than $1 billion more than the number-two group owner, CBS Radio.[5]
Clear Channel has purchased stations from or acquired the following radio companies:
The Ackerley Group
AMFM
Apex
Capstar (also operating under Gulfstar, Southern Star, and Atlantic Star)
Chancellor
Clark Broadcasting
Dame Media
Eastern Radio Assets
Jacor
Quad City
Roberts
Paxson Communications
Taylor Broadcasting
Trumper Communications
SFX Radio
Mondosphere Broadcasting
[edit] Outdoor advertising
Billboards at Dundas Square in Toronto, owned by Clear Channel.Bought Eller Media, Universal Outdoor, and More Group Plc, giving Clear Channel outdoor advertising space in 25 countries.
Owns part of Italian street furniture company, Jolly Pubblicita S.p.A.
Owns BBH Exhibits, Yellow Checker Star Cab Displays, Dauphin, Taxi Tops, Donrey Media, and Ackerley Media. Also owns an outdoor advertising company in Switzerland and Poland and a major outdoor advertising firm in Chile.
Of all their Outdoor formats internationally, Clear Chanel is most excited about their partnership with APN Outdoor in Australia, which has resulted in a 49% share in Adshel, a street furniture advertising company. While APN Outdoor are the majority shareholders (owning 51% of the Adshel), Clear Chanel nonetheless regard this medium to one of their most exciting international ventures
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I read about that here in L.A. can’t believe that he was doing it and was glad to see the mayor take him on.
My boyfriend Elmore has worked in Radio & Teevee for almost 30 years and the reason why local affiliates carry Rush is that it is so easy….. they are given 3 hrs of programming FREE that come with their own advertisers….. for smaller stations they love it…… THAT is why he is on so may stations.
She is a great combo of comdey and discussion. Can’t be serious all the time. Amy goodman she is not (IMHO) but funny esp. her attacks on the right.
I thought he was their biggest Draw/talent? The radio stations are the physical assets which are declining in value because Rush just can’t seem to get people to listen like he used to.
well damn, there you go.
and since 401’s were brought up, if you have one, need to talk to your fund manager, is legal to charge hidden fees that are deducted from individual accounts that do not appear on your statement, you would have no idea you are being charged, can be multiple fees, you have to ask the fund manager to find out………
was a report on nightly business report the other night. perfectly legal.
wobbly at 115–i’ve tried many many times to make it through the whole hour of her show, haven’t….every time i think, what a waste of time and change it…….so, no longer do. different strokes for different folks.
wobbly at 115–ok, here’s why-she’s too mean-spirited for my taste.
Even Daryn Kagan got tired of riding the whale. I guess once the blue pills wore off, he was just another sick, reactionary fuck with no brains and a big mouth.
You have it exactly. The folks I hear listening to him are his choir partners. A lot of them are really nice people just as long as you don’t ever get into a political discussion with them. Then all bets are off.
It’s hard to even follow the logic.
Most of them seem to think the same about us, though. And Rush, O’Reilly, Hannity, Boortz, et al, are able to capitalize.
wobbly, TSF, and perris, that’s heartening to me to read those responses. I hope you all get back and see this response. it’s good to know that something can be done. the loss of an objective media is our biggest loss from this misadministration, after the hundreds and thousands of human beings, that is.
Which raises the question: What exactly is the difference between publicly wishing for an event to occur and actually advocating it?”
Publicly wishing, IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE OF DITTOHEADS, for an event to occur, IS advocating it. In other words, the nature of Rush’s core audience has to be considered. How does this differ from his calls for Operation Chaos?
Isn’t this the same thing that the radio folks did in Rwanda?