Good News: the $570 billion compromise on The Farm Bill (TFB) will reportedly increase Food Stamps and other federal food aid by $10.2 billion. Bad News: the increase comes at a terrible cost. Dem Senators Baucus and Conrad -- representing states with a total of six electoral votes -- used the suffering of nearly 40 million hungry Americans to pry out $3.8 Billion in "Permanent Disaster" funds, which permanently subsidize farming in places too dry to farm. Big Ag and their hired Congressional hands joined in the extortion by sluicing $5 Billion into the $26 Billion "Direct Payments" lagoon.
But wait -- there's more!
The versatile Baucus -- along with Sen. Lincoln -- obliged Big Timber by threatening to ax the increased food support without another $750 million for Weyerhuaser, Plum Timber, and pals. Sen McConnell (R-StableBoy) came out for the horsey set, forcing another $100 million in accelerated depreciation for those hard-pressed racehorse owners on the TFB packhorse. And the Ranking Minority Member of the House Ag Committee opened up his nozzle for the serial poisoners otherwise known as Big BugSpray (stalwart members of the American Chemical Association) -- so BigPoison could kill off the USDA's (very limited) restrictions on pesticide use on lands that TFB dollars pay to set aside for conservation. Hey, if your living comes from making and pushing industrial poisons, an acre unsprayed is an acre lost to profit.
Looking at the steaming pile of megasubsidies for megacorps and mega-landowners, topping off the whole confection with an extra dollop of poison seems the perfect finish for this toxic appropriation.
In 2006, even before the (Farm Lobby purchased) insane ethanol subsidies -- and predatory speculators fleeing the toxic "sub-prime" market they created and grew fat off -- drove global grain costs to starvation altitudes, almost 11% of Americans went hungry for want of food. That's nearly 37 million hungry Americans: 12.6 million of them hungry children. Sure gives a whole new spin to "Suffer the little ones".
In 2006, one-third of the American families needing food banks were above the poverty line. After all, why should the Beltway and the Village define "poverty" to include "people without enough food to eat"?
But the Bushie Beltway did find time to redefine "hunger". As of 2006, the obliging USDA obeyed their Bushie masters and newspeaked away America's hungry kids and families -- all 36.6 million of 'em. Nope, we don't have hungry Americans anymore: according to the USDA, we have Americans with "food insecurity". Kinda like "social anxiety" disorder, but instead of starting the school day with blushing, the "food insecure" kids start the school day with growling. Growling stomachs.
But Friday's TFB compromise fixed the whole thing, right? More for Food Stamps and WIC, more for Big Ag. Cargill's happy, ADM's happy, industrial ethanol got their (slightly decreased) subsidy: everything's OK with the breadbasket and our tummies, right?
Nope. The Beltway's official "Poverty Level" is based on calculations created over 40 years ago -- even their creator, Molly Orshansky, has been quoted as saying the U.S. Government's Poverty Level is badly outdated. The fact that one-third of the families who required food banks to stave off hunger -- excuse me, food insecurity -- in 2006 earn above the Poverty Level confirms Ms. Orshansky's assessment.
Friday's compromise, and the $10.2 billion increase in Food Stamps, WIC, and other Federal food programs, will do little to help the one-third of hungry families above the Beltway's official poverty line. The increase may well be too little to help all two-thirds of hungry families below the poverty line. Even with Friday's increase, the total federal food assistance is likeley to be insufficient to feed all the Americans who qualify for food aid.
Yet Sen. Baucus, Sen. Conrad, Sen. Lincoln, and Sen. McConnell -- together with the other Congresscritters the megacorps and industrial ag purchased as hired hands -- used TFB as leverage to pry out more than $9.5 billion in tax and subsidy giveaways of our tax dollars to people who nearly all have enough to eat. Save for the relatively small proportion of either "Permanent Disaster" and/or "Direct Subsidy" payments going to small family farms, the vast majority of the $9.5 billion go to families far better off than average Americans, as well as to obscenely wealthy megacorps and syndicates.
How many poverty stricken race-horse owners do you know? How many small family businesses earn more than Weyerhuaser, Plum Creek Timber, Anthony Forest Products, Monsanto (serial corporate poisoner), Cargill (second largest privately held company in the US), or ADM (serial corporate briber)?
Yet Friday's "successful" compromise gave almost as much -- $9.5 Billion -- to the have-everythings as the $10.2 Billion alloted to expand federal food programs for the poorest.
Threaten a few families you'll take away their food unless your wealthy bosses get their way -- you're an extortionist. Threaten 12 million families that they'll go hungry unless your bosses get what they want -- you're a U.S. Senator.
Sen. Baucus -- who never met a forest-protection bill he didn't try to stiff -- has been whoring for Big Extraction (timber, mining, energy) throughout his sorry career. Same with Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho, who blocked the two week extension of TFB negotiations the anti-subsidy negotiators sought last week. The Senate apparently deferred to SenatorWide Stance on this -- no doubt in deference to his expertise on getting business in public done in a hurry.
Sen. Baucus -- the pine beetle of forest protection -- tells us money had nothing to do with it.
The American Forest & Paper Association, the industry trade group, has endorsed the legislation as "long overdue" changes that will "allow the U.S. timber industry to continue to compete in the global economy."
A similar message is echoed by Sen. Baucus. A statement by the Senate Finance Committee notes U.S. forest-products companies, which have shed thousands of jobs, have been "under intense competitive pressure" to reduce their federal-tax liability. "This provision is meant to level the playing field for companies that are competing at home and around the world," said Baucus spokeswoman Carol Guthrie.
Sen. Baucus has received $82,450 in contributions from individuals and political-action committees, or PACs, with ties to the industry -- the highest among candidates for federal office, the center said. Ms. Guthrie said the donations haven't influenced the chairman. "Absolutely not," she said. "That's never the case with Max Baucus.
Sure. Like Senator Craig, he did it for love.
Bon Appetit.
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Dr. M, thanks for posting this. Although it’s depressing and demoralizing in the extreme, it gives us an idea of who to target. I’ll be back after I finish banging my head against the wall.
Evening Kirk… did you get to Ocean Beach to see the human Impeach sign??? I have been looking on the web for any reference to it..
Good post we can always count on you for important posts!
OMG this makes me sick….. going out for a walk…… listening to healing music…. see ya later…
Here ya go… Enjoy.
Digg it for the Doc!!
Kirk, you too funny!
did you mean to say racehore owners, doc?
I’d have spelled it “Racewhore’ owners.
;~P
Were is our ‘Hero of Democracy’ Madame Speaker Pelosi weigh in on this?
Is she being:
Stupid…..
Corrupt….
my pick:
Indifferent?
And what about the ‘Corn Ethanol’ scam isn’t that hiding in there somewhere also?
hiya kirk!
(now to read)
[snort] However, it’s not really the horses’ fault. They don’t sleep around like Republicans, after all….
My father used to work for the US Forest Service…. he and several of his friends retired as soon as they could which was early retirement since they turned the Forest Service into a timber auction agency…. nearly breaks these guys hearts …. they worked for decades to protect and preserve our wild lands and they are now selling it away for peanuts…
BTW we are fighting putting a uranium mining site within a handful of miles from the Grand Canyon….. That does belong to all of us…
Dr Kirk, another excellent, if depressing, post. I’m so glad you keep these issues in front of us.
Friends of mine in the Forest Service in Ohio are just sick at what is happening under this administration. These are conservatives.
And these people have no shame over their machinations. Some will get canned this year or in 2010 but they’ve got lucrative deals with their benefactors waiting. What do they care. They’re eventually going to get an even larger piece of the taxpayer’s pie. I keep thinking of the extortion deals of Batista’s sugar growers who infest the land around the Everglades.
Thanks Marion :>) I can’t wait to see the pictures from the planned helicopter view point!!
Hi katymine and Nahant and LooHoo and Dr. Bong and Acitizen and TSF and ndfg and egregious (whew..draws breath).
Thanks to all of you (and all who are reading and haven’t yet commented) for being here tonight.
For those who have yet to comment at the Lake, please jump in! Everybody eats…
Larry Craig has a bone appetite?
Nancy ought to be made to fly over it and see what “her” people think.
Slight edit
Friends of mine in the Forest Service in Ohio are just sick at what is happening under this administration. These are THE TRUE conservatives.
I’m lucky enough that I took 2 long vacations about 40 years ago to see as many National Parks as I could. What I read about what’s going on at, for example, Yosemite, breaks my heart. The people who are there today are not seeing the magnificent place I saw. John Muir is spinning in his grave.
Please please me nancy!!
Groan - boo - hiss :):)
It is THE reason why many Democratic candidates are winning here in the Mt West…. BushCo has f*cked the environment, allowed drilling, mining and their usual rape & pillage to occur on land many have always thought the role of the US Government with the US Forest Service & BLM to protect it.
I wonder if we will ever unwind the farm bill without a food revolution in America. You know: shortages, bread lines, rationing, food pantries….
oh, wait.
Nahant, I didn’t know about the human Impeach sign. Dang it! I must have missed it on IndyBay.
Sigh.
ACitizen, great point re ethanol subsides. Friday’s TFB extortion deal left ‘em in (albeit reduced), though I haven’t been able to figure out how many billions over the next five years….
The bill would reduce the tax credit for ethanol made from corn to 45 cents per gallon from 51, but the tax credit would be extended through 2010.
fer free?
Kirk/mods — there’s a very odd link at the end of that last big quote . . . You might want to clean that up.
Oh - Nahant - thanks for the invitation to Digg! I’ve never been so blatant - but I’d love to see this post digged as much as possible. Conferees are still meeting; the people doing push-back on the worst subsidies need all the ‘net support they can get…
Approx every 2-3 years would travel back to the midwest to see the family when I was a kid….. we would race there….. do the visiting and then visit a different National Park(s) on the way home….. many state and county parks too….. I have been to most in the West & Midwest….. this was in the 60-80’s …. Since my father was with the Forest Service, many times we would get access that some wouldn’t….
Oh funny thing visiting a US Forest over near Bend Oregon with my kids…. the visitor center had pictures up on their board about the forest and I called the ranger on it and said the pictures were a lie…… because it was a picture of my Dad taken in the 70’s on the Tahoe National Forest…. The best part is that I wrote and received a copy of the photo….. Dad even remembered the name of the horse…
Oops: thanks Peterr.
Proper link was:
Timber Firms Push Farm-Bill Tax Cuts
Tensions Abound As Lawmakers Try to Add Breaks
(I’m staying out of backstage so I don’t make the post go “poof” by accident)
I’ll always remember Valley of Fire state park in Nevada… We drove through there at JUST the right time of day. It was magical.
Oh, Dr. M., I DUGG it.
It’s always that same crowd from the States that have no electoral clout since no one lives there. If not for the Senate and the contingent of assholes from the heartland proudly defying the will of the majority, who knows where this Country might be? Perhaps the will of the People would actually count for something, unfortunately providing States that can fit their entire population of into a city smaller than Austin, TX with the same clout as the most populous States of the Union really gives the troglodytes undue influence over the direction of the Nation.
In fact, The entire population of North Dakota (635,867), Idaho (1,466,465), Wyoming (515,004) and South Dakota (781,919) only equals 3,399,255. Both NYC at 8,143,197 and LA at 3,844,829 are larger.
Top fifty US Cities by Population.
It was today but I couldn’t make it.. Marion after a little searching seems that link was to past events.
Link to the website… no picture of todays event so Far :>( They do have some great picture of past events :>)
Thanks, Marion!
And Katymine - thanks to the 1872 Mining Act (hey, it was good enought for President Grant, its good enough for the 21st Century), water resoures all over the increasing arid West are at risk from mining claims - and the megacorp miners pay next to nothing. The Rocky Mtn Senators have been first to protect this..and one of the two Dem Prez candidates doesn’t want the Act repealed. Have to find a middle path, you know.
Oh, well… The House was supposed to be a balance to The Most Exclusive Club In The Whole Wide World. Not so much any more.
Kirk
You have some serious snark going. Poor racehorse owners, indeed. A smiley face to you.
Careful there, nonplussed. If I didn’t know better, I’d almost think you hated anyone who lives outside an urban setting.
Wow, katymine. This is the first I’ve heard of this. Should be front page news…
Many of these firms use subcontractors to cut the forests. Those subcontractors use pineros usually poor immigrant workers from Southern Mexico or Central America. Some are in on temporary visas, but others are illegales. It’s backbreaking work, they are housed in shacks and trailers, often five to six in a small room. Terrible exploitation…a series by McClatchy covered this last year. So these wealthy agribusinessmen are not only robbing our heritage…they are diminishing work standards, undermining unions, and subverting minimum pay and benefits laws. Meanwhile the Right Wing politicians who pass these bills, creating the market and allowing the systems for such exploitation, use “illegal immigration” as a tub-thumping mantra to their followers!
Well, then, this is a good sign. When conservative republicans have jumped ship, we could win really big. I want my Grand Canyon clean.
My salary comes from the Farm Bill, the CSREES part of it. So that is the part I watch most of the time. The Tribes watch it carefully too because they are involved in agriculture, both livestock and crop. The tribal agriculturalist don’t really make it into the big times like the corporate operations do. They get some assistance from some of the programs such as emergency feed for livestock but historically they have only gotten the leavings on the table.
The Farm Bill can do some good. The price supports need to go. Nutritional supports do need to go way up and the quality of the programs need to be improved. But we need to stop supporting the ADM’s of the world. That is where most of the money ends up.
I have a request for people in the SF Bay area who eat out in SF restaurants. The Golden Gate Restaurant Association has lost in it’s court battles to over turn the City’s health care ordinance. Now they have resulted in a campaign of lies, deceptions and mud slinging especially aimed at Supervisor Tom Ammiano.
Please consider inquiring if the restaurant has a menu surcharge to pay for health care and not eating there is they do. Also please consider not going to 2223 Market or Range as they have been especially vile, including refusing service and tell lies about a patron’s behavior with regard to the surcharge.
Then I can digg it! You can digg it, she can digg it, he can…
I lived far from the City for as long as my health permitted. I do believe in the old one person, one vote bit. Somehow the thought that folks like Enzi, Craig, and the rest of the merry hypocrites represent less people than my Congressman, but are constantly screwing things up for the majority of the Citizens in this Country actually does cause me to see several shades of red. It actually causes a lot more than that particular issue, but in the interests of civility, I am abandoning my standard nautical vernacular!
Yep - and thanks for making that explicit.
Cutting the forests accelerates globa, warming and local droughts.
Who could have imagined cutting down the living things that hold water dries out the earth? No one on Easter Island, that’s for sure…
That’s another reason why the “Permanent Disaster” payments are just that. The TP (apt name) program was started as a temporary help for those who lost their crop to drought.
Sadly,
global warming(oops, can’t say that, makes the climate scientists mad) increasing temps cause less preciptiation over the northern great plains: meaning much of the western dakotas and eastern montana may no longer be able to sustain commodity ag.The current ag practices in those areas mine topsoil and subsurface water to generate commodity crops - without the subisidies, the whole enterprise would be uneconomic.
We taxpayers get to pay again to subsidize transport of the uneconomical grains - we pay for the Corps of Engineers and Bureau of Reclamation to turn much of the Upper Mississippi Basin into barge canals - and acclereate water loss / habitat destruction / species extirpation in the bargain.
Hey - such a deal.
If the goal is simply to keep family farmers in rural areas in the arid upper great plains, simply paying them and their descendants enough to live on the arid prairies (but not farm or raise any critters other than bison for commercial livestock) until global climate change boils over would be far better.
The “permanent disaster” payments loot the Treasury our children will need, and loot the soil and water their children may need.
Such a deal.
Is there a candiate out there that is for Corporate Reform?
Yes, his name is Nader!!!
*ahem* nonplussed, this asshole from the North Dakota heartland takes offense at your comment and such comments of their ilk. My granddaddy lost the family farm in the depression. Do not presume that you have a clue of what it takes to sustain family farms. And don’t slam we, the people in the heartland. It still comes back to the mega-corporations, and the subsidies that are offensive in my mind are those going to southern state cotton raisers and such. Know your facts. And the next time you fill your piehole, thank a farmer.
AZ Matt, I’m so gald you’ve joined us. I’m trying to keep under 1,000 words so I don’t make eyes glaze over (more rapidly then I already do).
To me, the FB is jsut a vast flow of subsidies for various purposes: my hope is to see the subsidies directed in ecologically sane efforts that benefit the least fortunate.
I sure agree that there is a lot of potential for good in the Farm Bill: and a lot of actual good. The payments to preserve margial land in conservation seem to me to be one such good: counter-cyclical payments to real farmers to help keep their incomes up when (those wonderful) markets crash commodity prices is another.
Would you be comfortable expounding on benefits from programs in the current FB - or programs that could be created in the once and future FB?
Makes me feel ill.
Good point. I think having senators equal was a total compromise on the part of the founding fathers.
Prairie Sunshine, I hope my comments have not been critical of you and your family. Without seeking to put you on the spot, would it possible for you to tell us of subsidies/price supports that would help family farmers stay on the arid Great Plains using ecologically sustainable practices?
I’ve heard from a few sources that bringing back commodity stockpiles and counter-cyclical payments - along with generous payments to retire land into conservation programs - could help.
Once again, I’m not seeking to put you on the spot - but I’d appreciate the chance to learn.
(PS - Hope the blizzard didn’t knock out the power)
And another reason we need to move to the popular vote, vs. delegates.
peterr at 28–”Kirk/mods — there’s a very odd link at the end of that last big quote . . . You might want to clean that up.”
darn, i missed it….wonder what it was….hmmmmm….ponder ponder…. : )
an elected official gave a power point presentation to middle schoolers–mixed in it was a nekkid lady picture, he didn’t know how it got mixed in there…….he resigned. he can probably run again when they reach voting age and have whatever office he wants.
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kirk, which things specifically should be attacked with calls and letters? kinda too many to change, depressing as that is, so which ones? or list all of them?
slow tubes tonight, so not doing your links until faster, is this still in committee, or is out of committee and soon to be voted on?
thanks.
bbl
dmac, thanks for your questions.
conferees are still meeting over the weekend. As near as I can tell the biggest remaining question is how low/high to set the income criteria for those who get the “direct payments” subsidy - these funds can go those residing on (or owning) land no longer farmed.
Kinda like if Medicare kept paying docs who no longer saw Medicare patients - but used to be compensated for doing so.
[Of course, farmers who took land out of production for the conservation program did so in expectation of ongoing payments - that’s different from the direct payments subsidies.]
Kirk,
Educational programs through Extension, support of the Land-Grant University system (the 1862, 1890, and the 1994 schools), Rural Development programs, Rural Development Centers(4 nation-wide), the Sustainable Agriculture Research & Education program, Nutrition programs such as WIC(under funded they are but still they do help many families), emergency programs programs for disaster relief.
Crop subsidies for corn and other “commodity crops” need to be reduced because it simply makes for cheap product of ADM and Cargill. How much to reduce it I don’t know. Cut out support for tax write-off farming operations.
Some changes will come with costs as we see with the ethanol subsidy. Do you want “cheap food” subsidized by taxes or should we be paying the actual cost at the food store. We don’t pay the actual cost of gasoline at the pump because we are subsidizing it through tax money that goes to our military.
The race horse industry has clout because they got money to spread around. That could go and perhaps only the mint julips at the Kentucky Derby will get tears in them. The whole thing needs to be more rational.
WRT to time frame, letters may be too slow: faxes or calls may be needed.
To minimize pesticide use on lands our Federal dollars set aside for conservation, PSR has this great action link.
I wasn’t trying to claim that the people in these States were anything but fine upstanding Citizens of OUR Country. We all know who this bill benefits and, like most who are sympathetic to the plight of the family farmer. I deeply and profoundly despise ADM, Conagra, Monsanto and their ilk for both their irresponsible agricultural practices as well as their complete lack of morality.
I certainly meant no offense to any resident of any State in the Heartland, or a person that opts for a rural lifestyle or small scale farmer, I thought my point was clear-obviously it was not. I was attempting to highlight the fact that in these cases a Senator was representing 500,000 people from a sparsely populated State, generally Red, whereas in a larger State, often Blue, another member of the holy hundred might be representing 50,000,000 Citizens.
Incidentally, my Maternal Grandparents were farmers in Ohio who grew apples for Smucker’s in the Forties and Fifties. I have lived on a small farm, I have worked on a smal farm, I have a clue-I’m on your side.
Piehole/
Wasn’t there some scam a few years back in the farm bill about supporting small family farmers that restricted the support to a certain number of acres per family. Suddenly the corporation farmers expanded their families by incorporating second and third cousins and in-laws into their “families”…giving them a few shares of stock to make them part-owners. Meanwhile they qualified for tens of thousands in Federal support grants.
MattAz, thanks for your info and that excelllent point.
Personally, I support sustainable production of safe affordable food. Subsiding that goal - affordable safe food for all - is just part of making our society equitable and decent.
WRT how to eliminate distorting subsidies for commodity crops (subsidies that benefit speculators and or the likes of ADM/Cargill, rather than helping farmers and eaters) Hugh had some technical soltuions he posted in comments on a weekday morning thread over hte last week. Christy wrote the post about food and scarcity (IIRC), and it appeared in the morning (not this AM).
I’d find it myself, but I’m on dial0up and don’t have enough bandwidth…
kirk at 55–” these funds can go those residing on (or owning) land no longer farmed.”
weird, yesterday i dropped something off at the local radio station, it’s by farm fields, they were covered in white stuff, i thought, why are they puttin’ that much lime on the fields? and why didn’t they till it under before wind and water got to it…
so as i was leaving, s— pulled in and she told me that those fields were owned by e— b—- the highest paid farmer not to farm in athens county…..i said what????? why would eb be paid to not farm? around here?
knew him before from antique tractor pulls, had no idea he was subsidized not to farm.
told me that the white stuff was that ’safe sewer sludge’ being pushed on farmers to put on their fields as fertilizer……huh…….(need more info about that too)
so, what are the conservation reasons not to farm, can think of a few, but what do you know of them?
and if they aren’t conservation reasons, what else are they?
i wanna know because she knows about the details in the county, and i can call in on her radio show and raise the farm bill, and this aspect, and any others you want to give me, but i have to be able to be specific, or it won’t fly around here……
and the other day on the radio show they nicknamed me ’info lady’ but a guy changed it to ’lady liberty’ today…..i am still cracking up….blew me away, this is a tough crowd here….
so, people are listening and every time i call i try to be specific about bills, what is going on, and ideas of a specific thing to address when they call…..
and if you think of things, email me with them and i will include them in my calls and letters….
thanks.
(got a ’real person’ response email from the diane rehm show the other day, been writing them a long time, first time ever, always a robo letter.)
Temporary restraining order to halt uranium mine at the Grand Canyon
International Herald articleUranium Mine Exploration Near Grand Canyon Halted
About 2 weeks ago Moyers did a piece on the abuses of the farm $$. If you didn’t see it, you can probably check his web page, Bill Moyers’ Journal, I guess. But it may have some of the details you are wanting. It was quite a story.
Kirk I have do what I can to help both the posters and the lake itself :>)… All the posters here at the Lake are GREAT and please keep bringing us the news whether good or bad!
Back from some webcruising–I highly recommend both Frank Rich and Elizabeth Edwards‘ Sunday op-eds in the NYT, up now. Edwards takes on the shallow media, a worthy read. And Rich opines on the not-ready-for-prime-time McCain.
Kirk, I’m not as knowledgeable as I could/should be on the farm bill issues. That being said, I do think regs and caps that make sure the subsidy/funding goes to the producer instead of the middle-men who dip their beaks is a good thing.
Maybe someone like ND Senator Dorgan could be invited to visit the Lake to discuss this issue?
And I will endeavor to learn more here on the ground to share with you once I dig out from under…18″ of winter back again so far since yesterday afternoon.
The Congresscritters with the greatest current involvement on TFB are the “conferees” - Senators and Representatives who
are fighting“in conference” to hammer out a single bill from the two different versions each of the two legislative bodies (House and Senate) previously settled on.To figure out who to contact, here are the conferees:
House Conferees
Senate Conferees
Nahant, thanks for your help - tonight and on so many other occasions.
And katymine - woo-hoo! GREAT news!
Thanks for that information. My very own idiot McCaul, the opponent of our guest, Larry Joe Doherty, about 2 weeks ago, is on the Committee + Lamar Smith who likely represents some from the lake. I guess any and all “talking points” would be helpful.
Per the International Herald article, there are 1,600 new claims around the canyon in the last few years….. It might be like swatting a swarm of bees. Please use these links and write to the US Forest Service about NOT mining around one of the great wonders of the world..
Center for Biological Diversity: http://www.biologicaldiversity.org
Grand Canyon Trust: http://www.grandcanyontrust.org/
Sierra Club: http://www.sierraclub.org
Kaibab National Forest: http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/kai/
Vane Minerals LLC: http://www.vaneminerals.com/
and i tried to do a link, too slow, not happening tonight, i will try to do them early tomorrow to be better informed before i make the call–show starts at 9 am….
so am missing info cuz i can’t do the links, but any specific points you can give about the bill will save me some time.
and from what you hinted at, this is coming up for a vote this week? or still in committee…..
lotsa people here get on the horn to congress when they know what is what..many listen to the radio show to get info…..many don’t have the internet.
lotsa farmers here. lotsa hungry people here. lotsa timber here. lotsa national forest areas here.
so, many issues in this bill that people here would care about, almost too much to tackle and pass on to them.
any help appreciated…
thanks rev bev at 63, it was one i didn’t watch yet, have to find the tape…..always ’forget’ to label them……thanks, i’ll find it. i know of some abuses, but need the ones that may be coming in this bill to pass them on…..the devil you know and all that.
I had grants from the Economic Research Service of the USDA. I had to attend a meeting at the conclusion both years and these grants focus on the commodity food issues, availability of foods, access to traditional foods in the case of the Hopi in Arizona.
The reports can be found HERE
There are many reports there that might be worth your time to look at. They cover many topics.
I have to sign off, but will check back in tomorrow. Two Tx reps. should hear from alot of people. Thanks. G’Night.
dmac:
You are an inspiration!
;~P
dmac, so glad you raised this.
sigh.
so many outrages, so little time.
That “safe sewer sludge” ain’t safe - and yet we’re spreading it on our fields and we can even pay to bring it home and put it in our gardens.
The newspeak term for that crap “biosolids” is totally misleading.
The danger comes not from our poop, but all hte stuff that washes in the sewers with our poop: heavy metals, persistent organic pollutants (yum - birth dfects, infertility, developmental abnormalities, cancer), pesticides, pharmaceuticals - anything that goes down the toilet or washes off the roads into the sewer system.
“Biosolids” are the toxic sludge left over when all that stuff (and our poop) goes through sewage “treatment” plants.
This makes me so mad - Toxic Sludge Is Good For You Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry
by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton (of PR Watch) was published in 1995 - it describes this and other PR scams.
Just this week the AP’s ex-environmental correspondent had a big expose on how the toxic sewage sludge was applied to “volunteer” low-income families in Baltimore…as a “treatment” for lead-contaminaterd soils.
Of course, the low-income famlies were almost all African-American, and the study included monetary/material incentives -and no one can say if the toxic sludge helps with lead. All ethically unacceptable.
Yet - as the AP gut kept vainly pointing out - the underlying issue is the toxic sewage sludge put on farmlands across the nation - the same “biosolids” we can pay to take home from the garden shop.
Kern County sued to keep LA County from dumping toxic sewage sludge on fields there (LA County had purchased a “farm” in Kern County to dump LA’s toxic sewage sludge). IIRC Kern County lost - infringing on sacred commerce, don’t ya know.
TOxic sewage sludge…oops - biosolids- frightens the heck out of me. Organic farmers I know are even more frightened. People downwind of the fields it’s dumped on complain of all maneer of respiratory and oher major medical problems (including - IIRC - abnormal menses, miscarriages, and altered behavior in kids.)
Breathing concentrated road-run off and the heavy metals and sythetic chemical factories dump in the sewer isn’t good for us.
Who could have imagined?
The neighbors of that rich farmer probably have no idea: I hope they find out what he chose to do - and how other farm communities report being affected by toxic sewage sludge.
Food stamps are not just for people under the poverty level as I understand it- not to dispute your overall point- but people should know that they may be eligible…
The whole issue of harvesting forest products is pretty damned complicated- it’s not just “to cut or not to cut”
Let me expand on that. If everyone here at the lake had your thirst for more knowledge (although there are MANY super-duper smart folks here) and the desire to do the right thing, every day, every moment, every second, the world might be a better place.
too kum-bah-yah?
Aloha, Doc! Another excellent article!
AZ Matt, thanks you!
Katymine, thanks for the link to Center for Biological Diversity - they are awesome! THanks you also for the other links.
And dmac, thanks for your efforts. Due to Senator Widestance’s luuuv. TFB only got a one week extension last Friday - final passage is expected by May 2.
Later (but prolly not til Sun AM PDT) I’ll put up a link for action re the upper income limits for the direct payments. That - and the PSR link re pesticides in the conservation areas - are the two biggest questions Iknow of where citizens have leverage.
Though I prolly don’t agree with the underlying values, the most detailed discussion on the conference version of TFB thrashed out Friday was on “Washington Insight” on AgWeb. Linky.
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The recent brouhaha over pharmaceuticals in the water supply goes farther… in a study of Lake Meade…. they found drugs in the fish, water and farm crops grown from water from this source…
Drugs in water causing troubling problems to fish, wildlife
Aah, that’s not a dive, Suz! 8-P
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thanks, but no, i am the product of someone else’s inspiration and hard work, i merely pass on what i learn here and other places…..
but s— said yesterday at the radio station i need a nickname, it’s getting too confusing for people when they don’t know how to refer to me…..we were laughing about it…..i admit, it kinda felt good when the guy called me ’lady liberty’, and the owner who was hosting today agreed and laughed, but it feels too big, need something a little more unassuming, i like flyin’ under the radar……or i dunno, maybe it’s like clark kent was superman and i should go with it……
someone on fdl said use dmac, but is too close to my real name. i don’t want people quoting me out of context in the many ’circles’ here, and by using my real name that could happen. i don’t care if someone knows my voice and figures it out, just don’t want to use it with people i don’t know. there aren’t too many people here with my name.
after ali’s murder during the basra attacks, i stepped things up a little, and things started to happen……i commented in the murrow thread last night, i ”threw away the scabbard”……..no lookin’ back.
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on topic
and cbl2 provided my new favorite place to dig for gold……federal money and grants, specific by district, representative, state, department, search engine, unbelievable source of information….
http://www.fedspending.org
thanks for the sludge info, know a little, but need to know more…….all of the fields, a few different areas, are by the hocking river……that’s what always bothered me about it….
people don’t like it, but don’t know what to do about it, so, the radio show host alread doesn’t like it, so, i’ll provide any info i find, thanks.
and it’s good that the vote for the farm bill is a week off, that’s a lot of days to get info out.
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dr. bong, how did you guess? i used to take kumbaya very seriously when i was at camp……and let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me…..
voted best camper at methodist church camp cuz of that. queen cartright….no kidding. only good thing about it was the kid voted king i had a crush on and i got to sit across from him and stare at him for an entire meal…with a paper crown on his head……….lol…….
kirk–is it better at this point to target/focus calls to senators to changing stipulations in the bill or to pressure for voting it down in it’s current form?
with only a week, and the variety of issues,
sounds like too many things to fix….
thanks.