There tends to be a lot of cynicism towards government. Government often does things we don’t agree with. It often forces us to do things we don’t want to do, or doesn’t allow us to do things we want to do. It taxes us, it sends us to war and it often seems more remote than the stars, yet right in our face.
Yet of all the major institutions in society, government’s the only one that belongs to everyone. It’s the only one that, at least theoretically, exists to look after all our interests. Churches look after their parishioners, and perhaps a few poor people. Corporations look out after their owners and senior executives, and in most cases, no one else. Most hospitals are trying to make a buck these days, and so are most doctors – if you can’t pay, kiss your ass goodbye unless it’s just been shot off.
No, you’re on your own. Maybe your family or friends will try and help you, if they can. But otherwise most people can’t count on any powerful interests to look out for theirs on a regular basis. Those interests don’t exist to help normal people. Their job is to enrich the already well off and to make them more powerful. It certainly isn’t to make sure that regular people are healthier, live longer, make more money or have better lives in any way.
But here’s the deal. Of all the powers in your society, if you live in a democracy, only one is meant to try and help everyone. Only one was set up to do so.
That one is government. By the people, for the people – those words weren’t chosen at random. Government, in the end, is nothing more than a big co-operative. Everyone kicks in what they can, then decides how that money should be used. In a direct democracy that’s done by direct votes. In a representative democracy, it’s done by men and women who are elected to look after the interests of those who elected them. To make them better off, to take care of them when they need help, to build those institutions and infrastructure that no one person can build but which society benefits from, and to protect people.
At the bottom that’s all government is – a way of organizing ourselves to take care of ourselves. Rich and poor, black and white, old and young – government exists for everyone.
Because government gets its revenues from the society as a whole it controls a hell of a lot of money. As a result those who want money always gravitate towards it. Their goal is to direct some of that money towards themselves, or to make laws that cause money to flow to themselves. This is no different from a co-op’s representatives awarding themselves bonuses, or giving business to friends, or legislating that everyone has to buy a specific brand of light bulb – which happens to only be sold by someone who gives them money.
In other words, it’s corruption. And it pays very, very well. Major companies like MBNA don’t give hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to candidates because it doesn’t make business sense. In fact they are very well aware that such corruption is one of the best paying investments one can make. Returns can be hundreds or thousands of times the money down.
That sort of corruption destroys faith in the only organization that most people will ever have that was set up to look after their concerns. If it were not for government there would be no sewers, no power in rural areas, no mass universal education, far fewer hospitals and no interstate highways. There would be no protection for those laid off, nor any money to live on for those down and out. There would be no army, or navy, or police – no fire department and no ambulances for any but those who could afford private ambulances. No libraries. No internet.
When you pay taxes – these are the things you’re paying for.
When someone corrupts a politician and buys a bill – what he’s doing is taking money you gave to government to be spent for the betterment of everyone; and making sure that it goes to the betterment of him and his friends, rather than for everyone.
Government is the most powerful organization set up to help ordinary people.
But to help you, you have to help it. That doesn’t mean just paying your taxes (though you should), it means paying attention to government. It means watching those who act in your name and watching those who try and buy them or influence them. It requires understanding when your representative has ceased to become your representative and has become, say, the Representative from MBNA.
And it means working to cut out the influence of money.
Money matters in politics because it allows candidates to communicate with voters. We’re in the middle of a change in this – with the Democratic party in the US, for example, now getting more money from ordinary people than from corporations and the wealthy, where we can cut out the cancer of needing the wealthy to cut the big checks.
We’re also at a point of change because of the decline of mass media. The one-to-many one-way model is slowly withering away and the many-to-many or the one-to-many two-way models are rising. As they continue to rise it will be possible to get to potential voters with much less intermediation and at much lower cost.
Money matters when it buys votes. It matters when every additional dollar is a significant additional advantage. But if you can reach voters without as much of it, if the marginal cost of additional dollars is more than the advantage of having them – then a big reason for the current corruption is gone.
All of which is a long winded way of saying – government matters. Sometimes government can be a problem, but the solution to a problem government is taking it back. It’s not corporations, or the wealthy, or churches or any of our other organizations. Each of them has their place – but they are not set up to do what government does, to solve the problems government solves or to look after everyone. Government is the solution to government.
Anyone who tells you that government doesn’t matter wants to use the government to steal from you while you’re not watching.
The price of good government is good citizenship.
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Hi Ian.
Govt by the corporations, of the corporations and for he corporations?
power to the people
Hey wobbly. How are you today?
Excellent post, Ian.
Another great example of why Americans should not trust the reins of government to those who want to drown their government. Give these predators the keys to your bathroom, and they will drown your government.
We’re cooking a bit here today but no complaints *g*. How are you feeling today?
thanks ian.
just want to add to your list what’s turned me into a cynic about our current form of government is the secrecy about what we need to know and the lying about everything else – cooking the books whether it’s the war, the economy, the environment… seemingly everything.
Not bad. After staying up reading until all hours, I just had a two hour nap. Quite happy.
I like the new “show text” features.
Excellent post.
And the next time anyone, and you do know who I’m talking about, starts talking about how poorly the government works….
Squint you eyes a little, turn your head a bit and out of the corner of your eye….
That sucka will almost magically transform into a Republican.
Government is needed for the very survival of society, now more than quite some time, and must not be placed in the hands of anyone who doesn’t understand that….
Government must work; it must work and work well.
Res Ipsa Loquitor.
Agreed. The politicizing of those agencies that no longer act on behalf of the citizenry rather at the behest and in the interest of a select few.
Thanks for this, Ian.
Keeping an eye on this administration is certainly a full time job.
Yes, me too!
Ian, your post are absolutely amazing, and spot on. You put in to eloquent and simple words what many are thinking. 100 martinis to you sir!
Seems to me Americans feel we’ve been spoiled long enough and now need a dictator to keep us straight. Sad. Our Forefathers must be turning in their grave! A government “For the people, by the people” has zero meaning to some in our nation now. This result could be from having way too many republican presidents over the last few decades.
Oh, cool! Just discovered “show text” only works if you’re logged in. You go, techies. And thanks, Ian. You’re right about good citizenship. Well, left, actually.
what twisted said
*falls over drunk, can’t get up*
How does it do with the “double quote”?
Twisted! You have facebook mail sir.
If government = the military, I’d like to see that part of government fail miserably.
I’d rather see them used responsibly. We might need them in the future.
Speaking of responsible use, Ian, you feeling better?
Hey Margot, thanks, I’ll go check it. I finally got motivated to get my FDL login fixed. And I’m loving your stuff.
Thanks Ian. I need a little “pick me up” every once and a while, and THIS was it! Very pleasant and patriotic reminder that we can’t just sit back, no matter which democrat is elected, and expect that person to carry the load.
Ian,
I have had very protracted talks with a couple of younger guys, libertarians, who seem to feel they have no duty to pay taxes.
Why do people feel this way?
I try to explain why we must, why government is not the problem, but you have done it so much better than I ever could. I’ll send them this article. Thank you.
Yup. I’s good.
You’re an inspiration, you and tw3k. Thanks so much.
Such people don’t seem to understand that they get something for their money. Somalia during the 90’s was a good example of what a country without a government looks like. (Now it’s a good example of what happens when a country is invaded at the behest of a puppet government with no local support.)
They no longer study the constitution or civics in school, not in any depth. But many do listen to hate radio.
“The price of good government is good citizenship.”
I agree!
The problem I have is that most people don’t want to do the work of good citizenship. Most people are too busy working their jobs, raising their families, etc. Good citizenship takes time!
The other problem here is much current politics operates on the premis that most voters are “low information” voters. These are the real targets of the scurrilous North Carolina GOP ads: They will see the ad, but they won’t see McCain’s retraction. The visuals in the ads will be more powerful than the dry words of a retraction.
How can we engage people to become good citizens?
Bob in HI
It was Reagan who pushed the meme that the government was they and not us…. it is We the People and just voting is NOT enough…..
Molly Ivans had a great way to rag on people for not being interested in Politics…..she always brought it down to the things that touch people everyday….. water, power, how fast the police or fire respond, cost of your speeding ticket….. if the restaurants are safe to eat at…. that is the government….. it is We the People looking out for you and me….. AND if we are not involved…… then it allows shit to happen…
Gotta run along, but, this is a great complement to the previous thread
exactly so, Ian. Right now when it seems that this marathon will never end, it’s too easy to sit back and say we’re doin’ all we can do, but we need to be not just citizens but citizen activists. We need to do more.
Especially as we start seeing more and more of the race card being played by a whole lotta players in the deck. Limbaugh, Republicans, Clintonistas. Dreaming of
a White ChristmasRiots in Denver, indeed.Prairie Today: White Dreaming
The government has indeed been starved out. Once the US could hire good people and keep them, but when the repubs began running things, pay started to drop. Now people in government can’t make nearly what they can make in the private sector, and the quality has dropped like a rock. The result is bad service, and bad policy. Too many citizens believe that government workers are worthless, and low pay makes that a self-fulfilling prophecy.
You get what you pay for.
Bob, Sean Hannity was pretending to be pissed off at McCane for telling the NC republican party not to run the ad.
Ian, thanks for this post. I’m working hard for Robert Hamilton vs. Issa. I didn’t used to think he had much of a chance, but everything should be screwed up enough by November that he just may win. We all need to do whatever we can.
Well, people didn’t think Webb stood a chance either when he first started to run. Good work Loo Hoo!
Followed your link to Hamilton, liked what I saw, and tossed a few bucks into the kitty. Wish it could have been more… Anybody but Issa!
Will read the post in a minute but wanted to answer a question selise asked in a previous thread.
Regarding the time frame and source of the Wright controversy.
ABC’s Brian Ross did a piece on 13 Mar in which he played the clips for the first time. The clips had been culled from videos of Rev Wright’s sermons put on sale by the church. I have to assume ABC bought copies on the up and up. Brian Ross’s piece is definitely a hit piece. Looks to me that’s how it all got started.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/…..038;page=1
Sorry Eli.
Ian thanks for the the post!! I have been saying the same things for years and not many want to listen… the reason I think is because they have been brain washed by the rethuglians who keep hammering that “big government” is the problem. Which is basically a lie! Government if run properly is the best thing this society can have… How else can we have roads, schools airports and all the other things a functioning society must have to be prosperous and work well for all of it’s citizens. What I feel needs to be done is to debunk the rethuglian talking points one by one until everyone understands that a well functioning government is the best thing for eveyone and not just for the rich and powerful.
Corporations were set up to limit liability and concentrate money in the hands of the few at the expense of the rest of society.. This needs to be addressed from the stand point of the good of all citizens and again not for the few rich and powerful.
This is one reason I tell every0one I know to vote and not how to vote but to just vote for what they would want. As the saying goes Freedom ids not free but comes with a price!
There is lots more to be said but I will get off my pulpit now:>)
Heh. Won’t W be just FURIOUS to consider that I’ll probably spend my “economy stimulating” rebate on Dem candidates for Congress! Well, it is stimulating the American economy, right!?!
Wow! Thanks, Marion.
edit – Sorry
EliIanMarion thats a dam good idea… just think if just 30% of the population did the same thing!!! The possibilities are endless!!
I have a question??? What is all this “Show Text” stuff that just started showing up early today?? Inquiring minds want to know…
It really is a good idea, Marion. I intend to spend much of mine in the same way.
You can read what someone else wrote without having to scroll up. It’s really cool!
I’m just lucky enough that I don’t really need it to pay my rent/mortgage/gas bill/food/children’s clothes, etc., etc., etc. That’s where I truly think a huge number of them will go, just trying to keep the nose above the waves.
Just click on show text.
We have a lot of readers from Missouri.
Isn’t it GREAT? You don’t have to copy the comment you’re replying to any more… All folks have to do is hit “show text” and they can see. I love it!
Does everyone get a rebate check?
Just click it; it is wonderful.
Way Cool! I didn’t know that was implemented… was it just today?
You have to file a tax return. Folks in my church scrambled around trying to find people (many elderly on small fixed incomes)in order to get a return filed for them before April 15 just so they could qualify. A surprising number of those returns generated a tiny refund, around $50, which means a great deal to them. If you know anyone who says “I don’t earn enough to have to file” make sure they do… Just in case…
I think so. It’s the first I saw it, and I just LUUURVE it!
If you paid in, yes. $300-$600 for singles, $600-$1200 for couples.
Yes, today. I thought it was a glitch until Betsy and Teddy said they liked it!
Thanks Marion and Loo Hoo. Wasn’t the last rebate based on income? Can’t really remember.
Yes, the greater your income the more you pay/get back. I think the whole thing is goofball myself. Why not fix bridges (thereby putting people to work) instead.
How do you know if you are on the $300 or the $600 end?
Does Mikey Like It??? :>)
I’m not positive exactly how this is structured. I think the folks we found, on fixed small incomes, will probably qualify for the low end. They’ve received notifications that they qualify, but for how much I’m not sure. My guess is the higher the tax paid in the higher the rebate received. Which, by the way, I think is skewed upside down. I don’t really need W’s $600 bucks, so I’m going to fritter it away on Blue America candidates. Azarene who used to be in the choir with me and is now in a senior citizen’s residence could really use it. I hear she needs new shoes…
It is nuts. I would rather they use it for schools or roads or health care for kids. But what can you expect from this bunch. The memory of it won’t last until the next election though no matter what they think.
and, the biggest fuck you to everyone is that the rebate is actually an advance on next year’s refund. Something we won’t find out until we file after the election.
I can’t decide whether to give mine to candidates or to Second Harvest. Since I don’t have it yet, I have time to think about it.
So then the smartest thing is to save it, since we’ll need it to pay taxes in a year.
I had already read that and I think it sucks. The public in general should be made aware of that… They give it to you one year and turn around the next year and take it back… WTF kind of crap it that… We should get this on the front page of every newspaper/news site and every blog site. again the only ones who really make out are the few rich…
Did the taxes for myself and the two adult kids…. youngest college student income is around $15K and he will get $300, my daughter who makes around $30K and I will get the $600 so I figured it is by income level of some sort…. the one that really could use it, the youngest is getting the least…. Oh well Mom will take care of that since he will be house and beagle sitting while I am Europe……
I would think that if you paid less in, you get less back. I’m no expert!
And remember, if you can scare Issa to death he’ll be unable to throw as much “influence” into the coffers of other Right Wingers that are running.
That’s all the “game”…the folks in these districts with lots of military contractors get massive contributions and then use it to sway campaigns in other districts that are closer. So even if you lose you may save two Districts that are competitive.
Remember also…these guys think that they are “entitled” to their districts after awhile. But when conditions change they can get gobsmacked. The more arrogant they are the more likely they are to be unaware of what’s happening in their districts.
Yep when we have a bright and shiny new Democratic President AND then we all find out we been had with this so called rebate…
Hey! I don’t think we have any Mikes on the threads, do we?
I’m so envious of the fact that you are going to Crete. I would love to go back. It’s just beautiful.
That was a strictly rhetorical question… ya know from the cereal ad:>)
And last time the check was signed by no other than W. Made me puke.
Great. Plus the next administration gets all the anger when it all gets clawed back in taxes. Sick. Buying votes with peoples own money.
Well, at least he didn’t actually touch it. :)
I mean what’s it costing to notify everyone and send the checks? If they didn’t need it (ha) why did we have to pay it in the first place?
“Let’s let Mikey try it — he’ll eat anything.” Makes me feel almost young again!
I got a huge amount back, and need to amend to get even more…I needed the money bad in Feb and couldn’t wait for the changes to be put into the system.
I’m not sure. I read that initially, then it seems I read that that was not true.
This is a very, very fine post, Ian.
Ot but had to bring it up…
link to full story
That’s the shit they pulled last time around, why would it be different this time?
I found this on the Rebate….
Tax Rebate info
That’s so true. Thanks for the reminder. Issa’s chief of staff in the local office told demi and I that the district has been gerrymandered such that no democrat will ever win. I took that as a personal challenge.
The district is changing a lot. Temecula and the entire Inland Empire is the fasting growing area in California. Maybe all of America.
The IRS has a calculator on their site. The refund is based on your adjusted gross income. You’ll need to refer to your 1040, 1040A or 1040EZ for the numbers.
http://www.irs.gov/app/espc/
I know, nahant. You just got me to thinking…
You go, girl!!
Another excellent post. I had a similar conversation this afternoon with my Quebecois in-laws, who were surprised when they discovered how ashamed I am of my current American government. The issue of campaign finance came up, and we came to the same conclusion as Ian. People on the outside who pay attention to American politics have figured it out. No more free rides for Uncle Sam.
So inquiring minds want to know…… Did this ALL get charged to our credit card again?
Here’s a summary of the Tax Rebate Levels
Your rebate can be up to $600 for single filers or $1200 for dual filers if you are under $75,000 GDI (or $150,000). Above that it is pro-rated. For those below those levels how much you receive depends on your tax liability. Since it’s a rebate anyone paid taxes above $3000 will get a minimum of $300…but you’ll only get more than that if you have more than $300 in tax liability. My understanding is that if you paid more than $600 in taxes you’ll get the max.
Also children of those that file will get an additional $300/dependent child.
I stand corrected!
That scares me. Numbers, forms…
Wonder how many folks in that “fastest growing Empire” have been caught up in the sub-prime bankruptcy crisis. That’s probably the achilles heel.
Same deal as we made with Cliff Schecter. You defeat Issa, we’ll do your math and tax stuff for the rest of your life.
I figured that they learned when Daddy Bush did it to us back in the 90’s…. what he did is reduce the amount withheld for taxes for part of a year or so but everyone owed that tax anyway….. many pissed off voters which helped get Clinton into office…. I remember owing over $500 and that was hard to come by in those days…
WOW!
It’s a special incentive plan.
SD – thanks!
Mr. Bush doesn’t “disdain government” in every sense. He disdains government only when it works for everybody, not when it channels money to the few. He disdains it when public money goes directly to rebuild, say, the 9th Ward in the Big Easy, because that cuts out private businesses and fixers like “Governor” and still ueber-lobbyist Haley Barbour (in MS), who take their cut before businesses do. Those are Bush’s only real constituents.
Bush disdains government when it pays for un-co-opted judges and prosecutors that hold CongressCritters and aides to Vice Presidents liable for their criminal excesses. He loves government when he can use those public payroll-funded prosecutors to drive prominent Democratic governors from office.
Mr. Bush is most happy when he can use the government’s authority to take your money, your privacy, your lives, if need be – to meet his needs. He’s most unhappy at the prospect that government might use that same authority to meet truly collective needs, such as for universal health insurance. That shuts off the money tap to his insurance friends, and makes workers less dependent on their employers for the needs of life.
Mr. Bush is the quintessential representative of the company owner who runs the company town and runs the company store, whose employees live in company housing and whose kids go to company schools. That’s the 19th century model for mill, mine and factory. With few exceptions, such as Hershey’s, that arrangement worked only for the owner, and only until an employee slipped or fell or got old or broken. Then they or their family were out in the cold living or dying in some Dickensian nightmare. Like the longterm unemployed and uninsured are doing every day in Bush’s America.
George Bush is not competent at much. He is extraordinarily competent at sending public money wherever his lobbyists want it and in avoiding liability for everything. If that makes middle America lose heart in what their government can do for them, so much the better. But government won’t go away. It won’t lose its power or authority. It will just work solely in the interests of Mr. Bush and the haves. And they’re just fine with that.
You’re welcome. My pleasure. Now that you have that, here’s one more piece from Jake Tapper, ABC’s National Political Correspondent from 24 Feb. Looks like a concerted effort by ABC to smear both Obama and Rev Wright. Owned by Dizzy so I’m not surprised.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit…..-bama.html
I’ve listened to the entire 9/11 audio and I find it hard to believe that real Christians weren’t at ABC’s doors with torches and pitchforks. I’m just getting ready to listen to the other sermon. His use of the Bible as an historical context for his social ills sermons is amazing. I am really impressed with his rhetoric. I would imagine that what he says is a bitter pill to swallow for the self-righteous Christian right. They certainly can’t refute his logic on a Christian level.
Excellent article, Ian.
Thank you!
I knew this, but it’s great to see it all put so succinctly.
First a little quickie of the way things are going down between Hillary and Obama – from our blatant money grubbing media’s perspectives. Episode #3453 -Newsweek:
Hillary was up by 20 points in Penn., but won by just under 10 – basically half, right? Newsweeks story title ? “Clinton Wins Pennsylvania: What’s Next? Winner. Hillary wins.
vs.
Obama was “up by double digits in national polls” -according to Newsweek.
I never saw numbers that high, but for purposes of their article they want you to believe that, OK? Now, based on their own new poll Obama is still winning still but he too is down to about half. Newsweeks story? “Losing Ground”. Loser. Obama looses.
Good job, Howard.
But the Newseeks vernacular
Back to this FDL’s column, I ask in answer to it, what if they are watching -closely….and money IS now everything …and in front of your very eyes they’re stomping on the constitution and no-one can or will do a f***ing thing about it??
That’s what the past 8 years has revealed. No one’s home anymore, and very few really care anymore. What we saw in Iraq once the government was gone, is going on here in America right now, but in a more civilized way.
The scent of money in the air caused the current crop of Congressional Democratic leaders to drop the weapons we voters gave them in November of 06, and turn around and join in on the looting of America, and Americans.
They took the riches made ‘by the people’. and used them not ‘for the people’, as was intended. But for themselves.
Furthermore they’ve allowed the decks to be so stacked in favor of keeping ‘the’ people down, any efforts to correct their errors are met with new walls of regulations and excuses..
Like the new bankruptcy bill both Clinton and Edwards wrote. Note the massive numbers of new people who’ve filed BK??
(And screw Hillary’s excuse ‘it wasn’t passed’ – it eventually did pass -with their amendments in it.) One of the worst was that they actually had the balls to strip out of the old bill a judge’s right to hold back a pending eviction due to a financial crisis. You can’t pay? F*** you.
People, don’t think your Congressman isn’t guilty by not actually signing on to much of what has happened here. They are more so, by keeping silent, and watching while the others raped this country.
no, they can’t.
maybe that was why it was so important to make him toxic – to try to prevent people in the christian right from listening for themselves.
thanks again for the abc links – both of them.
i’m still in awe of his 911 sermon – he gave that one just 5 days later? amazing. i’ve listened several times now.
will try to listen to the second wright sermon either tonight or tomorrow morning. hope to compare notes with you later on it.
I’d love to. I think you’ll find it even more…apropos, shall we say.
Tiger meds and check lids for light leaks.
Peace Love Light
Great post, Ian
Ian,
Jefferson gave America clear guidance. It is time we listen to him. His forewarnings where foreboding! The constitution given to America by learned men is the mechanism of change. Is is time for the American People to exercise the rights duties and obligations, given to us by the solemn sacrifices and sacred honors pledged of men, given to the republic Not corporate entities, lacking blood, love or life……….
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,. the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people.”
Jefferson’s was even more fearful and forewarned of a “rising corporate aristocracy,” enabled by the legal entity known as the “corporations,” in which said aristocracy would work perpetually using the color of law to usurp constitutional checks and balances, in the quest for endless profit!
Ian
Your quarrel seems to be with representative democracy. You cannot have citizen directed government AND representative democracy. You can have one or the other. Take our current situation. The Iraq war is supposedly hugely unpopular. The Dems won mightily in 2006, yet nothing changed. Do you think the citizen’s only hope is to raise money and offer our representatives more than MBNA? The problem, of course, is how do millions of citizens decide anything?
It is increasingly clear capitalism is unsustainable. Not only because of the various interlocking obligations (derivatives) which go unmet as one or another party defaults, but because capitalism cannot regulate a rapidly evolving technological society. There is no way enough jobs can be created to satisfy everyone who wants one and there is the cultural lag imposed by our protecting our job although it is clear our job is detrimental to our health (ie building internal combustion engines) Analysis becomes easier when you realize we have been driven crazy by inferiority and the fact of death. We think we avoid death by agreeing we have eternal life. To retain our delusion, we kill lots of people and sometimes get killed ourselves.