Comments on: Ask Mark Brewer and Howard Dean to Resolve MI’s Convention Delegation–Fairly http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:00:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: i4u2bi http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1413054 i4u2bi Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:44:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1413054 <p>Hillary does have a shot at this….the same as Bush did in 2000.</p> Hillary does have a shot at this….the same as Bush did in 2000.

]]> By: rhfactor http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412925 rhfactor Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:16:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412925 <blockquote><p><strong>Kay said:</strong><br /> <em>Howard Dean was perfectly clear to these two states and they decided to go ahead and do it anyways. Hillary played the game without an opponent and wants to be rewarded for that. That’s not how a child should be raised.</em></p></blockquote> <p>I totally agree. Which is exactly what inspired this video — a child’s view of this issue:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jd9wwrEnsM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jd9wwrEnsM</a></p>

Kay said:
Howard Dean was perfectly clear to these two states and they decided to go ahead and do it anyways. Hillary played the game without an opponent and wants to be rewarded for that. That’s not how a child should be raised.

I totally agree. Which is exactly what inspired this video — a child’s view of this issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jd9wwrEnsM

]]> By: emptywheel http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412572 emptywheel Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:48:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412572 <p>Now that’s the kind of POS rhetoric that will lose MI. I will blame you personally, trust me.</p> <p>Hillary was the only significant candidate on the ballot. So was Stalin for the years he ruled Russia. He, like Hillary, won. He took much more of the vote than Hillary. Does that make him a better delegate?</p> <p>When 40% of the state 1) goes to the point of informing themselves and 2) votes against Hillary, a 40% vote is nothing short of an embarrassment. You ought to be ashamed of claiming it was a win. It was, frankly, a repudiation.</p> Now that’s the kind of POS rhetoric that will lose MI. I will blame you personally, trust me.

Hillary was the only significant candidate on the ballot. So was Stalin for the years he ruled Russia. He, like Hillary, won. He took much more of the vote than Hillary. Does that make him a better delegate?

When 40% of the state 1) goes to the point of informing themselves and 2) votes against Hillary, a 40% vote is nothing short of an embarrassment. You ought to be ashamed of claiming it was a win. It was, frankly, a repudiation.

]]> By: emptywheel http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412569 emptywheel Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:45:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412569 <p>First, it was 40%. Second, last Saturday, the supporters of not-Hillary all went out and spent 3 hours to pick the people they though should be delegates.</p> <p>It’s past the time to say there was no democracy. On January 15, there was no democracy. On April 19, there was. Yes, the allocation was wrong. But it was the closest thing we’ve seen to democracy this year in MI. Are you going to begrudge us that, too?</p> First, it was 40%. Second, last Saturday, the supporters of not-Hillary all went out and spent 3 hours to pick the people they though should be delegates.

It’s past the time to say there was no democracy. On January 15, there was no democracy. On April 19, there was. Yes, the allocation was wrong. But it was the closest thing we’ve seen to democracy this year in MI. Are you going to begrudge us that, too?

]]> By: radiofreewill http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412563 radiofreewill Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:40:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412563 <p>I’m late to the party!</p> <p>I like the proposal, and think a Compromise Now for the Good of the Party, especially to protect the Activist/Grassroots Effort, is the ‘right thing’ to do heading into the General in November!</p> <p>Dr. Dean and Mr. Brewer can make EW’s Reasonable Compromise Petition the basis for a Rapproachment that Keeps Michigan in the Game!</p> I’m late to the party!

I like the proposal, and think a Compromise Now for the Good of the Party, especially to protect the Activist/Grassroots Effort, is the ‘right thing’ to do heading into the General in November!

Dr. Dean and Mr. Brewer can make EW’s Reasonable Compromise Petition the basis for a Rapproachment that Keeps Michigan in the Game!

]]> By: surakmn http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412389 surakmn Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:46:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412389 <p>There is nothing fair about awarding Hillary net delegates based on an illegal primary where she was the only candidate on the ballot. If Michigan has to be seated, split the delegates evenly and seating the supers at all is optional. How about some fairness to the other 48 states that followed the rules all 50 states agreed to?</p> There is nothing fair about awarding Hillary net delegates based on an illegal primary where she was the only candidate on the ballot. If Michigan has to be seated, split the delegates evenly and seating the supers at all is optional. How about some fairness to the other 48 states that followed the rules all 50 states agreed to?

]]> By: RBG http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412372 RBG Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:06:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412372 <p>Ahhhhh, yet another loverly evening at the Lake.</p> Ahhhhh, yet another loverly evening at the Lake.

]]> By: shell http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412365 shell Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:00:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412365 <p>Typical of Hillary supporters. “I don’t know why I am responding to such drivel.” </p> <p>I don’t know what the next 4 months will bring, but I can promise you — IF Hillary steals the nomination, she won’t win the general. And she probably knows this. But, in her twisted mind — she will bounce back in 2012. Not an iceberg’s chance in hell. There are many of us who can remember longer than 6 months.</p> <p>And, as for your LIE about Obama — that he only goes to places where they will be nice to him — IF that were true, why not? If you could be ahead, by only going to friendly places, while your opponent goes to sleazy places — why in the hell wouldn’t you?</p> Typical of Hillary supporters. “I don’t know why I am responding to such drivel.”

I don’t know what the next 4 months will bring, but I can promise you — IF Hillary steals the nomination, she won’t win the general. And she probably knows this. But, in her twisted mind — she will bounce back in 2012. Not an iceberg’s chance in hell. There are many of us who can remember longer than 6 months.

And, as for your LIE about Obama — that he only goes to places where they will be nice to him — IF that were true, why not? If you could be ahead, by only going to friendly places, while your opponent goes to sleazy places — why in the hell wouldn’t you?

]]> By: alibe50 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412342 alibe50 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:32:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412342 <p>Scaiffe is the publisher of a major Pittsburgh Newspaper…awful but true. She met with him and his editorial board and answered questions. Obama does not like to answer questions from people unless they give him a pillow first and only ask him nice questions.<br /> Shuster, from MSNBC, was suspended because of his remarks about pimping out Chelsea. As well he should have. And Olbermann should be too fro his remnarks impling violence to Hillary unless she pulls out. Said a guy should take her into a room and only he should come out. I don’t know why I am responding to such drivel. Scaiffe and MSNBC are not connected…that I know about. BUT??????</p> Scaiffe is the publisher of a major Pittsburgh Newspaper…awful but true. She met with him and his editorial board and answered questions. Obama does not like to answer questions from people unless they give him a pillow first and only ask him nice questions.
Shuster, from MSNBC, was suspended because of his remarks about pimping out Chelsea. As well he should have. And Olbermann should be too fro his remnarks impling violence to Hillary unless she pulls out. Said a guy should take her into a room and only he should come out. I don’t know why I am responding to such drivel. Scaiffe and MSNBC are not connected…that I know about. BUT??????

]]> By: MrWhy http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412334 MrWhy Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:21:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/26/ask-mark-brewer-and-howard-dean-to-resolve-mis-clusterfuck-fairly/#comment-1412334 <blockquote><p>Case closed.</p></blockquote> <p>Unless the seating of the delegates from MI/FL is resolved somehow, it isn’t case closed, and it won’t be closed until convention.</p>

Case closed.

Unless the seating of the delegates from MI/FL is resolved somehow, it isn’t case closed, and it won’t be closed until convention.

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