Like many, you may have been scratching your head when Bush asked for $102 billion in the upcoming supplemental bill for war funding, and the Democrats in Congress said "how about $170?" It was like the 2006 election never happened.
The Democratic leadership wants the war off the table as an issue in the fall. They don't want it screwing up their election. The $170 billion will fund the war into the summer of 2009, when they can take it up outside the election cycle. Or something. I guess.
Anyway, 70 members of congress, as you'll recall, sent a letter telling Bush that they would not vote for any more funding for the war except for safe redeployment. The leadership is contemplating combining a domestic stimulus package vote with the war supplemental, which puts members of the Out of Iraq caucus in the uncomfortable position of either breaking their pledge and funding the war or being forced to vote against things like food stamps and unemployment benefits that could really help their struggling constituents.
I spoke with Lynn Woolsey, co-chair of the Progressive Caucus, about the upcoming vote. They're asking the leadership to vote on domestic and war funding separately. It's a hard spot to be in -- the Blue Dogs are soaking up all that K Street gravy as the new power brokers on the block (they can join with the Republicans to pass legislation whenever they want), so the Progressive Caucus deserves all the help and support we can give them as they try to hold the House to some standard of decency about a war that has become little more than a campaign nuisance to those who should know better.
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good grief!
Someone on Kos suggested that the “Telco immunity” is going to be stuck into this bill. We need to make sure that doesn’t fly, if that is indeed true.
If they stick enough crap onto the bill it might be dead for everyone. Let the maneuvering begin.
Dems figure Obama will win and they don’t want his first act as prez to be another supplemental request for the war…
It makes perfect sense—but it ain’t somethin anyone wants to talk much about.
What a stupid combination, so DC-bubble think. My brain’s on fire. Who do we call?
The next Dem president is going to need some leeway until he/she can change course without being hung up on asking for continuing funding until the drawdown occurs….unless McBush were to win that is. The bigger problem is that there is no accountability for the money they’ve already received since the invasion/occupation began, so who really knows what this would be for in reality.
can anyone give me a reason - even a bad one - why i shouldn’t think that the house dem leadership is a bunch of two-faced anti-progressive lying hypocrites and that speaker pelosi’s job has been to give a faux progressive face to something that is the exact opposite?
Um… nope.
Digg it
Dam Nancy I hope Shirley Golub unseats Impeachment off the table Nancy!!
Good on Woolsey and the Progressive Caucus!
I just do not understand why the dem “leadership” is buying the war lock, stock and barrel. Blue Dogs Go Home!
I like these new FDL youTubes, keep up the good work!
Don’t know bout all that- but I suspect that if you track the record of the House under Pelosi to the record of the house under Hastert—there would be at least a bit of improvement in the quality of the overall output- although perhaps I am wrong.
I think of political parties as black boxes- I don’t know or care what’s inside em- only what comes OUT of em.
yeah, some progressive agenda, just give Bush all he wants and more. War funding? Sure! Security State? Sure!
Take the blame instead of Bush and the Republics? Sure!
I sent Shirley $25 bucks this morning. Then, I called the Speaker’s office to tell them why I did sent Shirley the money and that I will send her more.
The very idea of handing George and Dick a going away attack Iran 170 Billion package deluxe is an outrageI If we fund this genocide for oil nightmare at at all, it should be in no more than quarterly increments.
When will the killing end?
There’s enough true about the claim that the two parties are exactly the same to make a person want to avoid politics altogether- but there’s enough WRONG with it to make that avoidance a very big mistake.
the best thing, that i’m aware of, the house has done was on fisa - and each time the only reason there was anything good that came out of it was because the progressive caucus, joined by some like rush holt, fought their own leadership and won. it continues to amaze and perplex me that those successes are not celebrated.
the other thing i think of is the minimum wage bill - but that was gotten as the price of a war funding bill.
i agree that ultimately i judge them on what they do.
but when i don’t like what they are doing, i think it is critically important to try to figure out what is going wrong.
Wow, David Kay (WMD inspector) just suggested that some pictures used to prove the nuke installation in Syria were photoshopped..
I believe that Shrub/Haliburger could piss away $170 billion by inauguration day.
yup :/
You got it Selise and here is the beginning of the answer.
I do have a rhetorical question: ‘Doesn’t any Democrat in the House or Senate remember what happened the last time they did this?’
It was 2004…
Tom ‘Kiss the ReThug Ass’ Daschle got sent home. The Republicans took a majority in both Houses.
I do believe that with Obama as the nominee and McSame running against the ‘Do-Nothing’ Congress the thing for progressives to do is target ‘Pelosi Dems’ for a primary challenge and support McCain ReThugs where they have a chance to win against ‘Pelosi Dems’.
Before you pop a gasket you need to realize that unless we put a spoke in the DLC, Pelosi cabal and deny them their Supermajority they are going to sell their votes to K-street and the progressive movement down the river.
They are the enemy folks.
Even more than the Rethugs are at the moment as they are in a position to destroy the ‘progressive’ brand for cycles to come.
We must demonstrate to the Dem caucus that selling out the progressive brand gets you pain. Lots and lots of pain and may even cost you your seat.
It’s the only message corrupt, sellouts like Pelosi and Reid can understand. Past time to….
Take out the Trash!
I wrote the above post in 2005. I was right then and I’m right now.
Great work!
Good for you BooRadley.. I will be doing the same when I get my monthly check!!
From The Pen [democracy@peaceteam.net]:
where? is there a link?
wow.
Iraqi government is using US tons of taxpayer money to pay dead and missing Iraqi soldiers and policemen….
McCafferty bringing this up in conjunction with the supplemental bill. CNN
I can think of a million bad reasons. It’s something in the water they drink or maybe the food. You are either not wearing your tinfoil hat enough or you are wearing it too much. They have been replaced by pod people. They are too busy leading to advocate. Like I said, there are a million of ‘em. *g*
I was thinking that anyway, given how duplicitous we are with the evidence. And that crap not too long ago about a little boat threatening one of ours in the gulf turned out to be manufactured too.
syria’s president? I think said the Bush admin lied about WMD and they are lying again now. heard that yesterday.
It was just on Wolf Blitzer who interviewed David Kay. He said some of the photos could be accurate, but far from all of them…something to that effect. The photoshop comment was pretty shocking…
Is $170 billion enough to fund an Iran invasion Mr. President?
Don’t short-change yourself now.
Of course they’re lying.
Lips are moving
Touche
thank you i feel much better now.
… after a good laugh that is. especially this one: “They are too busy leading to advocate.” that one has me still laughing so hard i’m crying.
This is old news. No Quarter was all over this at the time. Keep in mind the lying of the corporatist press will never stop.
That’s why it’s so important for the ’sphere to maintain high standards of truthfulness.
And why we need a lot less Obama and a lot more Clinton right now.
Someone should attach the food stamp and stimulus as an earmark and see what McCain & Co. do with the bill.
I’m not celebrating those small successes, mostly, because they are small comrises. These FISA modernizations are a rouse and needs no further legislation. It’s providing the administration cover and providing loopholes for further abuse.
Maybe Hillary will ask her DLC buddies to vote against continued US led genocide… just this once, for her, pretty please.
Just stop killing. Stop it now.
huh?
Hope this isn’t off topic.
I saw something that I thought was interesting about the Blue Dogs.
This site, LegiStorm, has the names and salaries of congressional employees. Tells who they worked for and who they are shared employees of.
For example
Lotta Blue Dogs employ this one person.
If one needed to coordinate a message….this would be one way to do it. Who assigns staffers?
i’m thinking of the times the progressive caucus defied their leadership to vote with the republicans and so defeat the house dem leadership’s crappy bill.
yes, we only got a less crappy bill.
but i’m still proud as hell of a progressive caucus that told their leadership to go to hell and won.
RawStory also reported on the plan to tag retroactive immunity to the bill. Looks like GOP capitulation may have been nothing more than a diversion.
Try reading the story at that link about K Street gravy in Jane’s post.
The Bush Dogs are sitting pretty, raking in the cash from K Street and keeping Nancy on a short leash, saying in essence: “You can’t pass anything without us, so you’d better treat us nicely. We can always work out a deal with the GOP if you go too far to the left (whatever that may mean).”
There’s a smug tone coming from the Bush Dogs in that article that does not sit well with me. Not at all.
Genocide is just part of creating a modern democracy in iraq.
I’ll support the Democratic nominee for President.
OT - part 4 of Fed Rate Cuts Kill People, by bernhard.
like i said before, i don’t know enough to judge - but b called it right and with me that is something to pay attention to.
Same. Still crapy bill tho.
Helps relieve pressure on world food supplies too.
McBush says that he’d strongly consider Huckabee as a VP…..
That’d make quite a zoo!
Much of the stimulus pork is being offered to Bush Dogs to get their support on the supplemental, too.
not trying to take the pressure off the blue dogs - it just seems to me that sometime the blue dogs are used by the house leadership as the excuse fuck us over so the leadership can pretend that they are really on our side. i’m not buying it any more.
Thanks.
I’m hoping the MSM is paying attention to the recession/depression and their stock prices which are cratering. I keep hoping they’ll figure out that supporting the GOP and the Vichy Dems, who in turn let K Street run the country isn’t conducive to their long term fiscal health.
ok then. i retract my comment @50.
yeah, what not to like?
OT
Tibet Hearing with Barbara Boxer starting now on CSPAN
1st panel: John Negropnte,
*silver cross in hand*
What the FUCK??!!…gimmee God damned break!!
lol, i thought it as a one-two punch ;)
That was funny.
sadly I fear not so funny as true
O/T -
Hillary’s strategy for victory.
not quite following the logic here
oh well - time to commute
and looking forward to a Friday Afternoon Spin
Agree.
By joining the military spending and domestic spending bill together legislators who are against the war have to vote for something they are against to get something they are for on the domestic end.
To me, this sounds like criminal extortion by the executive branch.
They’re trying to buy off everyone to get this out of their hair.
Thing of it is there is only one…..
The other is a Republican in ‘Democrat’ clothing. Don’t be fooled by labeling supplied to you by the DLC and the corporatist press.
lol!
Do you ever have a point or do you just like to yell?
All that cash heading to the Bush Dogs tells me that K Street is worried. They’ve had a cozy thing going while BushCo ruled, and now are facing the prospect of having their access cut off.
And why are they scared? That can be answered in two little words: Al Wynn.
Nope. Feel free to think that–my only change would be to insert the word “bastards” somewhere.
worse than i thought. thank you for the clarification.
Three Trillion Dollar War - The new understatement.
Yeah, I thought that was funny.
This one, however, is not. (Limbaugh’s “Barack The Magic Negro”)
except it’s not the executive branch doing it.
its the house leadership we worked so hard for in 2006.
I believe you. By giving the pork to the Blue Dogs the admin gets the money for the war. The Blue Dog are safe as they’d be Blue Dogs in a Democrat or Republican administration.
I just wish they’d change party and show the right what a moderate republican looks like.
Yep.
Most significant thing to happen this cycle and…
Be very, very nice to repeat it. Say with….
This candidate.
It’s time to take the gloves off. If Pelosi can’t deliver on her promises then let’s give her the boot while electing more ‘Donna Edwards’ Dems.
Give Barbara Lee something to work with and she will kick some Shuler ass!
and fuckery
Are Bush Dogs and Blue Dogs the same thing?
guess i’ll skip that one then, thanks for the heads up.
yeah
Good question.
Pelosi and her X-Crowd are little more than Neocon-lite.
Might as vote for the real thing.
Sung by “Al Sharpton”.
Scurrilous.
Rush thinks it’s oh-so amusing.
I’m just glad that “Pills” Limbaugh doesn’t expect me to think much about whether he’s a racist pig.
really? Sharpton sung that?
I can’t tell them apart on the political spectrum.
At the very end, liberals dragged them both kicking and screaming to fight Telecom immunity. That’s the tip of the iceberg. It’s the Fourth Amendment and the politicization of Justice that is massive. They’ve both turned right to try and win the general. I understand the political realities, but I don’t have to like them.
So, when is someone really gonna point out that Limbaugh incitement of a riot at the Dem Convention, is an incitement to riot?
Can’t he get in trouble for that?
think it’s up to the fcc to decide
Thanks for reminding me about that. Surely somebody plans to file a complaint over that one.
OT: any windows users try wubi yet?
No but now I am interested I will have to try it on another PC before I commit to it on my lap top!
Anyone having a real Democrat, preferably a progressive, running in their House or Senate races this year needs to get out and do everything they can to help get that person elected. Money’s good but knocking on doors is just as important. There is no better persuader than a face to face. Enough with these fascist bastards!!
At this rate I’m gonna be a raving lunatic by midnight.
No justice, no peace.
Know justice, know peace.
Gotta get there first.
No “just us” — know peace.
I will try it Monday. My playtime desktop is down with a bad video card. It started not wanting to wake up and now it Fails POST at the Video Card check.
I have a drive with the partitions ready to go. I’ll try it out even though I normally use a third party boot manager. I’ll let you know on Facebook.
Hi Jane - I’m late to FDL. I’ve been having bad dreams and nightmares lately - all connected with election and the determination of Congress to destroy anything progressive. Feed the beast with more of our (brave) youth. The beast can never get enough blood and money. Amazing how those two go together so well.
I’ll check in later and go rest for now.
Does anyone else feel we are watching a new version of lynching a black man this election with gusto salavation?
Absolutely, it is reprehensible and it reveals a hell of a lot about this Country, doesn’t it? I am not sure what I will do if McCain prevails. In all honesty, I am seeing some proclivities in our candidates which I find discomfiting, also. I find myself becoming increasingly radicalized in my old age! I have done many things for this Country (and I don’t love war-I found that to be a very unfair comment!) and have become increasingly dedicated to reclaiming lost ground and achieving what I feel was our destiny in 1968!
I bought the Chicago Transit Authority album (again) just for Prologue, August 29, 1968, will Denver be the reprise? The whole world is, indeed, watching!
hi jane;
sorry i missed your supplemental post….
this is what i was pushing all day in calls and letters–
and posted it this morning trying to find out if they are speaking about the same bill—
gop wants to attach fisa to supplemental bill–i have not seen this mentioned anywhere but in this article….voinavich’s office knew nothing, haven’t called harry reid’s yet. had other things i had to do today.
http://thehill.com/leading-the.....04-24.html
dems want unemployment aid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....eheadlines
is this the same bill? major games goin’ on.
More vigilance than ever, patriots!
Hi QG, LS had a link to one of Obama’s video on youtube that was quite uplifting, about the United States of America.
Do you a world of good to watch it and also go to moveon.org to vote on their ads. it’s fun and uplifting as well.
Slightly off topic:
During lunch I was listening to Worldview on WBEZ in Chicago. Jerome Macdonell interviewed Joseph Stiglitz — Professor of Economics at Columbia University; Former Chief Economist at the World Bank; Co-author of The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict; 2001 Nobel Prize Winner in Economics
The blurb on the web site reads:
In the discussion Stiglitz also touched upon some other points e.g. the terrible cost in human lives, the problem and cost of mercenaries, the economic problems we are facing right now. WBEZ posts the audio of these programs. You can listen at this site
http://www.wbez.org/Program_WV.aspx?episode=21244
I also want to suggest that perhaps Stiglitz could be invited here for an online interview or book salon. (True confession: I haven’t read the book.)
Check this out! Scarecrow beat you to it!
That is exactly what I am going to do. We have that Larry Joe Doughty who was here at the lake a couple of weeks ago. He is running against a pretty boy W clone who votes the true R line every time. It will be a pleasure to work for/with him. I have a sticker in my home window now with one to go on my car. This is a crazy district that Tom DeLay helped gerrymander; it runs from Austin to south TX. It would be great from him to win…great pay back for Tawdry Tom.
McCaul is a dirtball, he lives near me in a palatial place (unlike mine) that is on the far edge of his District. McCaul made his bones as the “Chief of Terrorism and National Security in the U.S. Attorney’s office in Texas, and led the Joint Terrorism Task Force charged with detecting, deterring and preventing terrorist activity”. Mike was also Texas Deputy Attorney General under “Box Turtle” Cornyn, himself, a career enhancing move, if I’ve ever seen one! J