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	<title>Comments on: Make Civil Liberties Concerns A Priority?  Blame Canada!</title>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410676</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyhoo my reason for jumping in on the dregs of this thread actually was to add a link to an artilce about privacy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;‘I’ve Got Nothing to Hide’ and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any of the download buttons at the bottom of the page should allow either opening or saving of the pdf of the whole paper.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interesting sidenote. This paper has had 53,505 downloads or views at the SSRN site, as of Apr.18, since it was loaded in July of last year, making it the second-most downloaded article from the site in &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;its entire 15- or so year history&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Most of the other top 20 or more are the kind of technically-focussed thing that everyone in the fields eventually has to read.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyhoo my reason for jumping in on the dregs of this thread actually was to add a link to an artilce about privacy:</p>
<p><a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565" rel="nofollow">‘I’ve Got Nothing to Hide’ and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy</a></p>
<p>Any of the download buttons at the bottom of the page should allow either opening or saving of the pdf of the whole paper.</p>
<p>Interesting sidenote. This paper has had 53,505 downloads or views at the SSRN site, as of Apr.18, since it was loaded in July of last year, making it the second-most downloaded article from the site in <i><b>its entire 15- or so year history</b></i>. Most of the other top 20 or more are the kind of technically-focussed thing that everyone in the fields eventually has to read.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410666</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hey, didn’t Canada put the US on their Terrorist Watch List or Human Rights Abuse list or a list like that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure it’s true that a Canadian human rights body, possibly the CHRC, did put US on their human rights watchlist in late 2007, but that after a  &lt;strike&gt;hurried conference with Sylvio and the boys&lt;/strike&gt; few days took us off. However, I’m having a heck of a time finding it through the standard search; Lexis/Nexis anyone? (I’d have to go to a library for access, which isn’t happening for a couple of days.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One thing’s clear: the CHRC is at the center of a pajamas/instapundit/etc/etc frenzy, in part because it has some magisterial function which it can use on behalf of petitioners, e.g. one who disliked something Mark Steyn wrote about him; thus the case against the CHRC and its provincial offshoots appears to have been transformed into a free speech question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7273870.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;’s a Guardian article that lays out the Steyn case.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey, didn’t Canada put the US on their Terrorist Watch List or Human Rights Abuse list or a list like that.</p>
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<p>I’m sure it’s true that a Canadian human rights body, possibly the CHRC, did put US on their human rights watchlist in late 2007, but that after a  <strike>hurried conference with Sylvio and the boys</strike> few days took us off. However, I’m having a heck of a time finding it through the standard search; Lexis/Nexis anyone? (I’d have to go to a library for access, which isn’t happening for a couple of days.)</p>
<p>One thing’s clear: the CHRC is at the center of a pajamas/instapundit/etc/etc frenzy, in part because it has some magisterial function which it can use on behalf of petitioners, e.g. one who disliked something Mark Steyn wrote about him; thus the case against the CHRC and its provincial offshoots appears to have been transformed into a free speech question.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7273870.stm" rel="nofollow">Here</a>’s a Guardian article that lays out the Steyn case.</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410461</link>
		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I bagged lots of groceries in my day- in seven or eight supermarkets.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bagged lots of groceries in my day- in seven or eight supermarkets.</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410459</link>
		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ray Croc was a Magnificent character…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He kept making the same mistakes over and over again- which involved just doin shit without proper legal authority…He opened up a hundred or so McDonalds without bothering to negotiate a formal agreement with the McDonalds brothers who owned the name and concept….They cleaned his clock at settlement time- but he continued to do similar things throughout his career.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He bought a baseball team- the San Diego Padres- and once got on the PA system apologizing to the fans for how shitty his team was and giving every fan their money back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His widow recently passed away and left millions to local charities..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have to love these people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Croc was a Magnificent character…</p>
<p>He kept making the same mistakes over and over again- which involved just doin shit without proper legal authority…He opened up a hundred or so McDonalds without bothering to negotiate a formal agreement with the McDonalds brothers who owned the name and concept….They cleaned his clock at settlement time- but he continued to do similar things throughout his career.</p>
<p>He bought a baseball team- the San Diego Padres- and once got on the PA system apologizing to the fans for how shitty his team was and giving every fan their money back.</p>
<p>His widow recently passed away and left millions to local charities..</p>
<p>You have to love these people.</p>
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		<title>By: SDC1</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDC1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Unfortunately, those skills involve burgers and spatulas”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what’s wrong with burgers and spatulas?  Sounds kind of elitest to me.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I spent 7 years bagging grocerys in a supermarket before someone noticed that I always came to work on time, worked hard, and wanted to be successful in life (Success being happy in my job, making enough money to enjoy life, and providing for my wife and children).  The seven years was needed to prove that I would be a good employee.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some time flipping burgers can do the same.&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Unfortunately, those skills involve burgers and spatulas”</p>
<p>what’s wrong with burgers and spatulas?  Sounds kind of elitest to me.  </p>
<p>I spent 7 years bagging grocerys in a supermarket before someone noticed that I always came to work on time, worked hard, and wanted to be successful in life (Success being happy in my job, making enough money to enjoy life, and providing for my wife and children).  The seven years was needed to prove that I would be a good employee.  </p>
<p>Some time flipping burgers can do the same.<br />
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410454</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IrishJim, would you write a longer comment about your experience? I am fascinated by what they asked you to do, US labels in place of Canadian ones.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IrishJim, would you write a longer comment about your experience? I am fascinated by what they asked you to do, US labels in place of Canadian ones.</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410452</link>
		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Might be a market for a Sam Walton film—the story of an american success story drowned by corporatism…and greed—&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;slowly the viewer sees the original dream die- drowned in proxy statements, legal reviews, and investment bankers, until in the end- Walton flies off into the sunset- wealthy beyond belief but with a dream that got run down a rathole.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be a market for a Sam Walton film—the story of an american success story drowned by corporatism…and greed—</p>
<p>slowly the viewer sees the original dream die- drowned in proxy statements, legal reviews, and investment bankers, until in the end- Walton flies off into the sunset- wealthy beyond belief but with a dream that got run down a rathole.</p>
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		<title>By: IrishJIm</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410451</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishJIm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Honest to God. I got the Job through a temp agency they placed me with a local warehousing company. I spent a solid week 7:30 to 4:30 unpacking and packing. This was in 1991.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honest to God. I got the Job through a temp agency they placed me with a local warehousing company. I spent a solid week 7:30 to 4:30 unpacking and packing. This was in 1991.</p>
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		<title>By: wobblybits</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/25/make-civil-liberties-concerns-a-priority-blame-canada/#comment-1410447</link>
		<dc:creator>wobblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;agreed. i wish that others had to chance to listen to the editorial board questions and answers then people could really see these candidates sans pandering&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed. i wish that others had to chance to listen to the editorial board questions and answers then people could really see these candidates sans pandering</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey demi, check out Crooks and Liars discussion from yesterday.  Some lady phoned in to call out Rush for his race baiting.  Anyway, many commenters were discussing whether or not inciting a riot is illegal…hope it is and hope he gets arrested.  (the riot does not have to take place in order to be charged acc. to commenters there IANAL)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey demi, check out Crooks and Liars discussion from yesterday.  Some lady phoned in to call out Rush for his race baiting.  Anyway, many commenters were discussing whether or not inciting a riot is illegal…hope it is and hope he gets arrested.  (the riot does not have to take place in order to be charged acc. to commenters there IANAL)</p>
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