1?

2 nighs in a row! Hi Julia. Did you ever get the email i sent?

ayup.

No, I don’t think I did. Try sending it to jmhm at livejournal.com

who the hell is this w. scott lewis?

grrr, julia, this post has pissed me off. forker has to be an nra/gop frontman to pull off this amount of insensitive bullshit.

He looks to be about sixteen, so I’m saying Young Republican on the make.

If students were suspected of being armed, then the lunatics would either:

1) Not change their behavior at all because they are, um, crazy.

or

2) Bring more and heavier firepower.

A little Digg for ya Julia!!

You can carry a weapon here even younger than getting a library card. Just can’t carry it to school.

nicely dugg, thanks nahant

OT Sharks score first on a trickler!!

Well, yeah.

I’m also picturing the campus cops having to figure out which of the students are

a) disturbed/teh worse for substances

b) hiding a weapon about their person

or

c) hiding a weapon about their person but it’s OK, their birthday was last week.

giving nahant the LQQK

Yes, let’s make it easy for students to carry guns on campus. Horny, homesick teenagers armed with handguns. Should make the frat row keggers super duper exciting! The first time some guy looks at some other guy’s gal sideways we’ll have the shootout at the OK Corral. Excellent idea!

Freakin morons.

Why is it that in this country we never learn anything? The last thing we need is hot-headed kids, possibly drinking or using drugs with fire power. Good lord, will the madness never end.

but but but madmommy, there’s money to be made from them gun sales, hospitalizations, funeral expenses, and the like

Too late to hang out but anyone who has the chance, DO WATCH MOYERS tonight. Rev. Jeremiah Wright in person and not chopped up into sound bites.

Must see teevee.

dayum, that is one mean lQQk!

Assault weapons ban now!

crazy merkunz!

blech.

The University of Kansas had a group advocating this during the week. I’m interested to know that these groups popped up at the same time all over the country. And I thought it was a local initiative.

Sorry Suz& Julia couldn’t help it

There’s a company which is now selling paints to make real guns look more like plastic toy guns which they named after Mayor Bloomberg because he made it illegal to paint real guns so they look more like plastic toy guns.

Thereby unconscionably abrogating the second amendment rights of elementary school students to get shot by cops who can’t afford to assume that’s not a real gun pointing at them.

all i gotta do is act naturally

Um.

I’m a little tired right now, I guess. The first thing I thought when I saw that was West Side Story (but here come the Jets…)

judas forking priest

are they gonna show up at columbine high school next?

some of our gang members are now serving in Iraq and Afghanistan…

sharks/jets

dayum, that is one mean lQQk!

Chilling, eh? Evening, Suz!

I love that opening shot.

C!

me too.. and the jets song and the only in america song and dayamit, i like the whole forking movie

hey ct

Yay Julia!
Hi to all.

learning how to fight an urban war. what wonderful skills to bring back and teach their fellow gangbangers.

Julia, Thompson certainly had some chutzpah to show his face on campus…! I’m disappointed that nobody really thanked him for his role…!

Here you go Suz: America

yeppers.

those that do make it home, that is.

we are so >..?_)!

I thought it was bad enough at our high school, lo these many years ago. We rolled other schools’ buses when we lost football games. (I don’t mean me, I never went to a high school football game but I did hear all about them.)
I can’t imagine adding guns to the mix…

Sorry, what the hell was I thinking? Obviously I need to start embracing my inner greedy bastard and stop thinking about how what I do affects everyone else. I’ll try to do better from now on.

my my how times have changed.

there are whole new meanings for ’she’s queer for uncle sam’

frying pans don’t fry eggs, people fry eggs, right?

cars don’t drive to Detroit, people go to detroit…

hmmm I wonder if those who claim “guns don’t kill, people do” have tried frying eggs with their bare hands.

or walking on the shoulder along I-94 all the way to Detroit.

your mileage may vary, but try these over beers with non-deranged gun fetishists.

Heh, Howdy, LL and MM! ;-)

*laughing* do their eyes get all beedy and a tight look come across their face as if there is too much pressure inside their heads?

Now now. Focus.

What’s important is that when those gang members get back, they’re going to need to be able to walk onto the grounds of your kid’s school with guns stuck in the back of their belts.

I guess they couldn’t stand to look at him.

negroponte on charlie rose……………full hour…………

sick em..

number two at the state department, right behind, ahem, condi.

she has the boots, he’s got the whip.

Virginia already has a concealed carry law that was carefully constructed to have reasonable exemptions. The idea that some outside group is gonna come in and make political hay out of these dead students is OUTRAGEOUS.

Tech is one of the two schools that nearly everybody in northern Virginia sends their kids to. Every high school in Fairfax County has kids that go there. This was personal for a lot of people, and as folks might remember from 1861, Virginians don’t take kindly to outsiders telling them how to run things.

Julia, great post. Here in VA recently there was a group who were exercising their concealed carry rights by visiting restaurants and packing heat, just to show that they could. I just don’t get the mentality. Anyway…

Aloha CT!

*loads a spitball*

Weird. Here you’re allowed to refuse service to barefoot people.

They need to pack something in their pants to compensate for their ‘lack’…! ;-)

My body guard has a concealed carry permit. He needs it. So do several of my friends. I’m very strong 2nd Amendment, but don’t like the idea of people with permits being able to walk around government buildings and schools while they’re packing.

In government buildings, often employees can protect other employess because some are armed. In schools, the only armed people are campus police, which is more and more being farmed out to security companies who know little of the campus cultures and currents.

I think airline pilots should be armed, and each school should have some staff who are trained to use guns defensively. That gives the school a “deterrent,” which doensn’t always work, but sometimes does, and certainly doesn’t exist now.

someone wants my attention

I was working with a Tech grad when it happened. We all wore maroon and orange to work that Friday.

Was Virgil NO Goode at the head of the line?

“No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service!” A very popular sign in Rednecklandia. Ah, for the copyright…

Our school has two full time officers who are armed with taser and gun.

Heh! ;-)

ET– you have a body guard???

omg.

Heh, what, you’ve stirred enough hornet nests up there to need a body guard, ET? ;-)

Julia, please forgive…just got back to FDL. Going to read your post.

The tone of the email sure stands in stark contrast to the happy feelings of last month when the New York Times endorsed McCain for president. In its attack on the Times, the email quotes conservative voice of reason, Sean Hannity, who said the Times story was “so full of innuendo and so lacking of fact, and so involved in smear, I came to the conclusion that the goal here was to bring up a 20-year-old scandal.” And it quotes McCain’s attorney, Bob Bennett, who called the story “a real hit job.”

The key is training. Too few people who are supposed to respond to an emergency like a nutty student or dad blowing up on campus, spend enough time in realistic training to have it work well.

That is a good point. I strongly support my right, amoung other rights, to bear arms. But to use a tragedy like this for divisive political purposes is just wrong.

He’s been my bodyguard for 28 or 29 years. We can’t agree on the exact date when he convinced me I needed one. He’s the best-armed Shriner clown in the North.

ET, depends totally on the school/community.

Agreed. I’m not entirely sure about the quality and extent of the training that the security guards where I work have gone through. They are armed.

Bless you both.

:)

My #66 was a very poorly constructed sentence…blergh…I think you all know what I mean! ;-)

These are trained cops.

Great post, Julia. Perhaps this YouTube video shows the lunacy of this position.

Right. On. Point.

That’s quite an emsemble she’s sporting, there. Wonder what kind of fabric that is?

“I don’t think the answer to bullets flying is to send more bullets flying,” said Gene Ferrara, the police chief at the University of Cincinnati. “My belief is we ought to be focusing on what we do to prevent the shooting from starting.”

Ferrara was a Cincinnati cop for more than a dozen years before he became chief of police at the university. He also said that there are practical concerns from a law enforcement perspective: If you’re responding to the scene of a shooting, how do you sort out who is the bad guy and who is the heroic student with a permit?

“The other side of that, I shoot everybody with a gun who doesn’t have a uniform on and I then I end up shooting somebody who was a citizen with a carry permit,” Ferrara said.

I have one gun in within arms reach right now and another across the room near the back door and several more throughout the house. Aside from hunting, living through a burglary once in my life without a gun was one time to many. In High School one could look across the student parking lot and count at least a hundred guns in pick-up truck gun racks. Nobody ever questioned it.

Saw the article earlier this evening. This whole sorry episode is so wrong on so many levels. Done on the sly so there’d be no opposition.

This administration has opened the door to so many nutjobs.

Enabled by a bunch of willfully ignorant, lazy citizens.

Oh, please, tell me what to believe. I’m so absorbed with myself and my stuff that I don’t have time to think.

Give. me. a. break.

early kevlar?

Past time for that fool to get gone…

OMG. ET. I totally disagree. We teachers are trained on at least five new, cool, fix-it-all programs every year. You read it, are lectured on it by someone who believes in it, but cannot make it work.

If we had someone involved in firearms on my campus, I would feel a lot less safe.

angie, definitely. It’s turning more and more purple here over the past couple of years; hopefully he and his ilk are on the way out.

It’s definitely reflective, if not refactive. And pink. Still, she kicks ass.

As an aside, finally saw “Walk The Line” tonight. Many days late and several dollars short, but a good movie.

OFG, the Archie Bunker clip was teh funny ;-)

That’s the best solution on the training level, but when you do that, the deterrent is obtrusive enough that it sort of redefines the school itself. I’m thinking more along the lines of the principal, and two other faculty or staff in a public or private school, and by department at a college or university. They wouldn’t be uniformed, but they’d have some disabling weapon on them always. I hate pistols and tasers, though.

I’ve read of experiments with goo or nets or other stuff people can shoot out of dispensers that are far more disabling than tasers. They make a big mess. In Alaska, we’ve found that bear pepper spray is more effective – even on a charging Grizzly – than firearms.

There are also at least three military vets on our campus, but don’t know if any are armed

w scott lewis

why is this guy so ’under the radar’ ?

i’ve searched in all my places, not much..(that’s why i’m always epu’d)…little iddy biddy gop donations, that’s all……..who’s backing him? that’s the first thing i always look for, gop suck babies don’t leave their nest unless they have money guaranteed, can’t find it, any evidence of who’s backing him…….had a little business, ads, little contributions, a while back, can’t find anything recent…..haven’t gotten through the whole list on newsmeat.com yet, long list of states and i’m on dial up…so, where’s his ’funk’ comin’ from?

nuthin’ here that i can find in the notes–

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S….._on_Campus

(and i got epu’d again on the last thread, all my best stuff is epu’d, university of cincinnati pres, a female, on NCAA board, all she votes on in a yea manner is bad news, and they ASKED HER to be back on the board….just as horrific as gonzales at the doj, i’m tellin’ ya, pay attention sports fans, and i really mean the real sports fans, she is all about changing the rules. in a gonzales kind of way)

Goodness sakes. You must have grown up in a rough and tumble area. I gather that you and I are about the same age (I’m 55). How could your world be so much rougher than mine? I came home to a robbery when my daughter was about 5 months old. I had her (in the car seat) in my arms. Heard the burgler in the house and split. Scared the crap out of me…

I’ve heard that from faculty where I work, and I respect that.

The chances of something happening like what did at Virginia Tech or the U of Texas or McLean or other places are more remote than tornadoes or drunk drivers. Things like Columbine are less of a problem statistically than a lot of other things that kill school kids – like the food they buy from vending machines. Or, maybe not…

I’m ambivalent on whether or not school faculty or staff should be armed, but feel that that would be better than what the guy who spoke at VA Tech is advocating.

If we are going to be Second Amendment absolutists, we have to realize that there are going to be a lot of innocent dead people than there would be if we limit gun ownership. We make it easy for people to buy guns, and therefore a lot of people have guns who just shouldn’t have guns. So there are more and more innocent dead people.

I’ve followed your comments on this. How can one person have such power on the board? And I wonder if she’s getting something from some outside source that is the driving factor in her changes at school. Like a turn-around CEO. Then a lucrative contract with some associated firm.

Offhand I’m guessing that if we knew what W stood for there’d be a few more hits for him (which I’m also guessing is why he went with W Scott)

The two faces of Arizona….
Arizona Weighs Bill to Allow Guns on Campuses

State Senator Karen S. Johnson initially wanted her bill to cover all public schools, kindergarten and up, but other lawmakers convinced her it stood a better chance of passing if it were limited to higher education.

“I feel like our kindergartners are sitting there like sitting ducks,” Ms. Johnson said last week when the bill passed the committee by a 4-to-3 vote.

Chandler boy suspended for sketching gun

An East Valley eighth-grader was suspended this week after he turned in homework with a sketch that school officials said resembled a gun and posed a threat to his classmates.

I really hate guns. People say “guns don’t kill”….but I have never heard of a drive-by knifing. I don’t object to people hunting – well, I do, but that’s another question – I most certainly disagree with kids walking the streets with AK47s and such and killing 4 year olds inside of houses.

A drive by knifing would kill only one and not 15.

Guns don’t kill people, pictures of guns kill people.

BTW, we’re having a huge snow storm in Southcentral Alaska right now. The old record for Anchorage on this day was less than 2 inches. It has snowed about a foot there today, with up to 15 more inches predicted for tonight. Where I live – 35 miles to the north – it is snowing less, but we’ll get almost a foot by midnight.

Driving home this evening was CRAZY! Half the people took their winter tires off last week when it was so nice. Watching people peel off the freeway and into the ditch on the way home, was a little like being in an 8th Air Force B-17 on the way into Schweinfurt, seeing the ack-ack take out your squadron. Hundreds in the ditches.

In Alaska, we’ve found that bear pepper spray is more effective – even on a charging Grizzly – than firearms.

Anybody using pepper spray to stop a charging Grizzly is going to end up mighty tasty.

Wow ET.

We’re in the middle of thunder storms and tornado watch here in central texas.

I am 42. The area where I attended High School wasn’t particularly rough.. South Arkansas farm and hunting country. Everyone had guns and a great respect for them. Kids fought all the time, like kids do, especially when drinking but I don’t recall a single incident involving kids and guns.

I’m not in favor of guns in school, although I do not have near the problem with guns many of my fellow progressive have. To me and many others they are like lawn mowers or some other basic necessity. Just don’t stick your hand into the moving blade area!

My prejudice is that I’m in an elementary setting. There are really people advocating that I have a gun in the classroom. Not many, but enough to get me worried.

Westside Story – Teh Gay

some people are just never pleased unless there is a clown car and a camel involved

Who’s W. Scott?

ET, how horrible! That was like us last year when 30 inches fell the day before Easter. We saw a coach bus turned over in the ditch! BTW, my Dad was a tailgunner in the 8th in a B17.

You talkin ta me?

A lot of people seem to have very low opinion of college students. Oh well.

What’s the difference between a 21 y.o. with concealed carry permit and an 18 y.o. army kid in Irak? The safety training I learned in civilian life was far better than army basic training.

Now, hmmm, what was the mall shooting that was ended by an off-duty police person technically violating the gun-free zone?

And, lastly, why whenever this topic is raised, it’s not long before someone makes the genital comment?

and in my searching for dirt on w scott lewis proponent of lunacy, i found a landscaper–a landscaper, who believes in obama……financially.

a landscaper doens’t have that much to spread around in winter……..

i am for the supreme court and federal judges, that is how i will vote, but i hafta say, i was affected by the landscaper in florida who in the middle of winter, his most lean time, donated to obama.

but he also donated to foley way back when…..hope he isn’t disappointed again….

maybe i shouldn’t have posted that, but that is how i think when i am looking for other nefarious things. i find all kinds of other things that make me think.

am only halfway through the w scott lewis newsmeat file….will take a while to get through all of the states,

where in the hell did this guy w scott lewis come from? and where are our people to counterract this shite?

last thread i commented on the stonewall jackson quote that edward r murrow used….

throw away the fucking scabbard, until people step up and voice an opinion and choose an issue that they care about, we are lost to what is stated first….

we MUST state first what direction is right…….we are not……we are reacting, not informing…..we will lose if we don’t start sending out what we think, why we think it, and why it is wise…..

i sent a letter to the diane rehm show how i scooped them again, sent it all to them, and they missed it, two things in one week………

so get on it, start sending letters and facts to back the shite up, cuz we’re losing to assholes from nowhere called w scott lewis………

take a stand on something you think about, that matters to you, and write a letter……..throw away the scabbard, do it. words are powerful things, we use them every day, aim them at something that matters.

Sex makes McCain cry. Pepper spray has that effect.

ja

Drive by shooting. Many Killed.

The Lone Gunman was a Gun.

I was raised around guns, my father was a wildlife biologist/game warden. He gave fire arm safety courses where I was certified to be an instructor at the age of 13. Like my father, I am a gun owner but have always believed in a specific and limited purpose for them. There is no reason that anyone should own semi or automatic weapons whose sole purpose is to kill.

I believed to own a gun you should have to take and pass a fire arm safety course. Just like the right to drive a vehicle, there should be requirements to own a gun. I also believe in gun safety locks, requiring to be secure from children. Look at the stats of the risk of a gun death when there is an unsecured firearm in a home with children

Having a lot of contact with Canadians who have very rigid laws on gun registration and tracking where you will find their gun murder rate for the whole country per year less than a single state here in the US.

It’s true. Nothing works all the time, though. And, I forgot to mention – a charging Grizzly in an encounter that starts farily close and develops rapidly. That’s the majority of charges upon hikers, for instance.

The point was supposed to be that there are new, non-lethal technologies for disabling campus attackers that need to be tested in realistic scenarios

My wife taught 5th grade for 30 years. We argue when this comes up.

WAYYY OT, but
could we blog Bill Maher? And if not, why not? I don’t agree with everything he says and promotes, but he IS BRIGHT, funny and informed and he makes good points and has (usually) an excellent guest line up.

On a personal note, I’m the only pol interested person in my house and try hard not to miss his show,
would be MORE THAN FUN to have company while watching.

is that a far out request or a far way far out note here?
thanks
:)

How about a cigarette lighter and hairspray for fending off grizzly bears?

I’ve never tried that, but a friend says he uses tiger balm as a lubricant.

and by
scooped, i meant i had already emailed them with information and links…no opinion, just facts…..and nothin’…….

earlier in the week, i got an email about something else, i emailed back they missed the opportunity to inform the public and sat on it. they said they didn’t know, i said they did, i emailed it to them, with links.

so, today i emailed what else they missed…….

called them out on it.

keep nailing the facts, one by one.

we keep talking how we are the information, well, if we are, we have to keep doing it, every day, send it out until we are more right than wrong.

consistent..

ok, i’ll shut up now.

Young man! I said turn in your homework or I will pull out my gun.

snerk!

dayam, tigerbalm as a lubricant? that’s one touch sumbitch.

According to the Alaska Science Center, “Use pepper spray, when a gun is not available.”

Has the subject of Joe Lieberman’s voice being one of he ones NPR is soliciting comments upon over the week for their “what does this voice remind you of?” or whatever they call it segment, come up here yet?

Not to mention his partner !! Or is he flying solo?

I just got here and I don’t even want to know what this is about . . .

You youngster! Okay, I totally give you the gun ownership reality as long as folks are being responsible. I grew up until age 13 in Minnesota, so I remember the shotguns in the truck situation, but I never have gotten over the first time I saw a dead deer. Bambi.

How about a cigarette lighter and hairspray for fending off grizzly bears?

You go first…! ;-)

There are no hits for this remarkably successful young organizer that aren’t about this remarkably successful grassroots organization that happened somehow to hit all the wingnut venues all at once. There was just a question about what his other accomplishments are.

I think they combine it with something else. I’ll ask next time I see one of ‘em….

southern at 87 ===bingo

bingo

bingo

What kind of a lubricant are you talking about and what is being lubricated?

betcha it is tabasco

Hmmmm…Negroponte is the errand boy for the DeathLovers. Death and Destruction follow wherever he goes. Has been this way for decades now. He was in Pakistan last year a few months before Bhutto’s assassination, and has been making all kinds of trips to the Middle East this last year.

Why is the Dep Sec of State on Charlie Rose? They must be preparing to roll something out. Lots o’ noise recently from the Neocons again about current boogeymen Iran and Syria.

Worth keeping an eye/timeline on this killer’s activities right now, and the others that for years now always pop up when shit goes down.

Overheard at chain grocery store…

Two employees taking a cig break (kids)….. girl says….”You got a raise?!”
boy….didnt hear what he said……. girl then responds….”You got a nickel?!”….. “a nickel?!” ….. breaks out laughing nearly falls down…. boy…. slumps……. gas up nearly a dollar in 6 months and the kid gets a nickel…

Seems like this is as good a time as any to post this song:

Lawyers, Guns and Money

I ran over a snake the other evening and was really upset by it. So you can imagine how I do with hunting. Target practice is another story. I do like to shoot guns. And I have really good aim. I just don’t like to kill things.

Guns don’t kill people. John Negroponte does.

I guess I’m old school. I have a lot of trouble getting past the nuns being pushed out of helicopters thing

Habanero pepper spray is by far the most potent..

you’re kidding, right…?

shotgun blues

inquiring minds need to know:>)

am surprised he is not followed by protesters everywhere he goes over that

A day without the Blues Brothers is like a day without sunshine ;-)

Australia confiscated all guns a few years ago.

The following year, murder by gun rates had increased.

southern at 87–i haven’t tracked her specific backing yet, yet, but she has it, in dump truck loads….have in general, but that doesn’t really matter much, i want specifics….haven’t figured out where it’s coming from specifically yet.

governmental is what i’m figuring on , but haven’t nailed the specific influence yet.

she’s poison. ready to infiltrate. no, she already has……..look up the ncaa rules since she was a board member, way back, she left and was invited back once she brought uc back to the big east………crooked as hell.

nahant, i’m thinking in lieu of ky

or bear grease, or gun oil…

LUBRICANT!
y’all are disgusting lubricant and i cant get a response on Bill Maher?
what’s lube got to do with guns?

lol

IMHO Canada’s lower murder rate has two parts….. one – the registration & control of firearms and the second is a very different media. The area of the highest crime rates are right along the boarder where they receive US Teevee programming…… ya know that line…. it bleeds, it leads

Hi dmac, did you ever get your Nick Drake on the other day?

Where’ve you been? I have missed you.

yep bonkers at 129, i am always vigilant…….i like it when they go on shows, i watch and then i send out letters……and make phone calls…….information is good. gives me a ’heads up’….. : )

I’m heading to the kitchen for another glass of melbec….. anyone want anything while I am up?

ice cream please

nahant, i’m thinking in lieu of ky

How did Kentucky get into the discussion?! ;)

sorry, siri, i dont have hbo so i’ve never seen it – do not know if it is worthy of your suggestion or not

You got some documentation on that?

yeah, tiger balm as a lubricant needed a spew warning!

Went to New Orleans and Picayune for a week to see the rents and sibs. Southern drama, drinks and way too much seefood.

Friday night = Bill Moyers and Bill Maher. Tonight, not so good on Bill Maher, I thought.

Coffee or French vanilla Hagan das?

yes, please

Evening, Suz!

loudin-lawyers guns and money, way back when noone paid any attention to warren, we did, and one of my good friends used to say that was my theme song…..used to piss me off…

but it’s true, it’s about throwing away the scabbard…..(last thread)

Mary, what are rents like in New Orleans?

how’s socal loohoo?

OH MY!

good one. “I learned something from that. I never take vacations.”

If your gun ain’t lubed it don’t work too well

*wicked evil laugh*

omg
you’d likely love his show, or at the very least LAUGH mightly at it.
look it up on the net
read transcripts,
Maher is awesome, totally with us, on this level and relevant an has excellent guests!
really!
i totally invite you to seek and search!

Sharkey.

heh, Kauai is not that bad…! ;-)

That would be parents.

Rents are sky hi. Life is complicated. Life is over rated.

lol tw3k ;-) How ya been? LTNS

limited budget does not allow for hbo or other premium channels :(

Saw Rev. Wright and Rev. Moyers tonight. Loved it. Gentle. Smart. Happy. Helpful. Nothing like teh fuckers portrayed them to be.

Yep.

Check Snopes.

Article web page to follow.

Right!
i know it!
i have one and i keep it lubed.
u got THAT totally correct nahant!@
:)

lol, sure, sure ;)

loudin–no i didn’t get the nick drake on the other day, but i hafta say, today when i was putting on my socks to go for a walk find trilliums that a friend told me about, i thought of him for no apparent reason and couldn’t figure out why…even hummed a tune of his…now i know, so, tomorrow, pull up a chair day, i promise the first thing i am going to do is put him on………make a cup of tea…….sit on the deck smelling the lilacs and cherries, watch the birds, and think of you for reminding me how precious his music is…….

thanks.

gud, how bout you? :)

Suz he is definitely worth watching… We watch every week… but sometimes we wait for the on demand when busy at the normal airing.

i know!
BUT
u can get there on the net, if only transcripts, and I THINK you can get the programming, a shot on youtube,
and i HEARTEDLY invite you to check it out!
you’ll be glad you did!

I always request that my guns are lubed loads.

Sweetyheart. Life is not overrated. You’ll do fine!

>
> Australian Gun Law Update
>
>
>
>Here’s a thought to warm some of your hearts…
>
>From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
>
>
>
>Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down
>Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were
>forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
>destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
>more than $500 million dollars.
>
>
>
>The first year results are now in:
>
>Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
>
>Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ;
>
>Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
>
>
>
>In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
>percent.
>
>(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals
>did not and criminals still possess their guns!)
>
>
>
>While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
>armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
>past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
>is unarmed.
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>There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
>elderly, while the resident is at home.
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>Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
>decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
>”successfully ridding Australian society of guns.” You won’t see this on
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the American e vening news or hear your governor or members of the State
>
Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian
>experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest
citizens save
>lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only
the
>law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it’s too late!
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>FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. [I DID ]
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>DON’T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
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>BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON’T LET
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>THIS HAPPEN IN THE U.SA

tw3k, it’s all good here, thanks :-)

dmac, that sounds like the perfect setting to listen to some Nick.

i’ll watch the next clip they put up of his over at c&l :) try it and see what i think…

Interesting post, but the new lingo that I found out that the NRA message people are pushing is calling no gun zones “Victim Disarmament Zones.”

The people in charge of messaging at the NRA are some of the most horrible people in the world. (I was going to say, brilliant or sophisticated, but I decided to use horrible because they have harnessed their education, creative powers, linguistic and rhetorical abilities to make sure that people will continue to die from all forms of gun violence.)

It really is a sick achievement if you look at what they have done. They have trained a nation of people to use language (backed up with the threat of electoral havoc, money and maybe even the threat of actual violence) to get their way. They have legal strategies, organizational strategies, legislation strategies and communications strategies to reach their goals.

And during the peak times when their goals might be questioned, they have thrown up an inoculation wall. “Let’s not politicize this tragedy!” They say following the shooting spree of the week. Of course by throwing down the “Let’s not politicize this!” they are in fact politicizing it.

I read the internet posts in the Omaha World Herald after the shooting in Omaha. The “gun-rights” people had to get their points in right during the tragedy so that there wouldn’t be any suggestion of gun control.They had all the arguments. “Enforce existing laws, we should have armed citizens, there is a need for more guns, not less, guns don’t kill people, bullets do…”

After the rest of us moved on the gun-rights people stayed at it. A few loopholes in EXISTING laws in Nebraska were NOT plugged. Too bad the dead can’t lobby.

We hear that the NRA is the most powerful lobbying group in America. They are brilliant at explaining why their rules should be followed. Is there anything we can do?

No.

Just quit, hang it up. They have won. They are right. There is no tragedy great enough or death massive enough that will cause them to allow anything to change. They, like Bush, see any giving ground as weakness and it becomes the slippery slope from there so they will never give ground. We can count on the same number of gun deaths each year. Frankly I don’t ever want to see another story about a shocked community. That community should just say, “Well, it was our time to be killed. The NRA is right there really isn’t anything that could have been done. I guess we should apologize for whining about our dead. It’s just the cost of living in the NRA’s America.”

I suggested at the time of the shooting last year that the TV news people have the NRA spokesperson on the phone (or in person) to explain to the parents of the dead students why this didn’t have anything to do with guns and the NRAs policies. Why it was sad that their son was dead but that they should not focus on the polices of this group or of the guns but on something else, like mental illness or, foster parent care. Not on the easy availability of high speed delivery weapons of death for humans.

Someone said what a horrible thing to do, to take advantage of the emotion of the tragedy to make a political point. I say that is the EXACT Time to make a political point. And they know it. That is the time they can LEAST defend themselves. All their lines will sound cruel when they tell them to the dead student’s parents. Perhaps we can use the lines “Unless something changes they died in vain!” That is usually a good one to use on people. Especially some conseratives.

Now when I suggested this 4 mass killings ago I was told that I should then be forced to hear about all the lives and property that were saved by people who HAD guns that protected them from rape and property crimes.
I said, “Sure, great. I’ll listen, bring ‘em on. But let me have my conversations with the people and we’ll compare.” I might even ask some questions. “Could an alarm system, a bat or a dog have protected you?” Because they will certainly use all their clever tricks to convince the parents of the dead that it really isn’t their fault at all. That is just the way the world is and they should just not bother to do anything about it.

One of Saint Ronnie’s people took a bullet for him. He is now head of a group dedicated to gun control. Do they honor St. Ronnie when they ignore Jim Brady?

So guys I am planning my vacation to Europe for June-July…. so far we are flying into Paris, 13 days later will fly from Milan Italy to Crete where we will stay at the same place as last year for 9 days then back home.

The plan is to stay 4 days in Paris and then drive through France eventually ending up in Milan for our flight. Anyone have any ideas and suggestions?
Want to see this place …. Caracassone

What too much seafood or did you mean too much see food… eat it:>)

comic about guns in the classroom. http://sciencefun.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/want/

good night all.

So you’re saying that individuals who are licensed to carry in office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, restaurants, shopping malls, churches, banks, etc.—they’re currently not allowed to carry on college campuses for some reason …

Wait…is this supposed to be an argument FOR allowing people to carry concealed firearms, or against it. What he has just shown is that all these other people are also prone to a nutcase…a nutcase that HE sold weapons to..could just stroll in and shoot these places up. I would bet that almost all of these places “ban” unauthorized individuals from carrying a weapon on their premises. And would tell any employee or customer that made it known they had a weapon to either leave, or be arrested.

And I wonder how secure he’d feel knowing that a family member of someone that was shot by his “customer” was loitering around his home with concealed “legal” semiautomatic weapons wanted to have a “discussion” with him? All perfectly legal acts which he should not feel represents any sort of threat to him. And if he, deigned, to pull out his own weapon in such a discussion…that would be a crime!

IOW they have the right to self-regulate…and they do not have to allow an armed individual on their premise. If someone does carry it’s because they don’t know, If the person announces it…then it’s construed as a threat. At this point I don’t think anyone is patting down college students for weapons (except perhaps at concerts). But if a weapon is “revealed” (i.e. not concealed) then there should be a law that allows administrators to deal with it. To the vast majority of us exposing a weapon is a threat…that’s why the law distinguishes open toting and concealed carriage.

I notice that this guy isn’t arguing that the faculty should be the ones allowed to be “deputized”. He wants a bunch of students being the ones with the weapons…a much larger market. And one that would fuel itself with future shootings so he could advocate even more gun-sales,,,an expansion of the age of possession to under 21 (after all the reason the nuts are able to shoot up is because most students are under-21 non-possessors, right?). And then if there’s a shooting on a High School campus…under 18. And so on!

All while this guy continues to sow his murder devices over the web.

I guess he’s getting good publicity for his biz, though.

well, that’s a good thing Suz.
and if you DON’T like Maher, (not ALL of him, but SOME), I owe ya a beer!
:)

For dmac and any other Nick Drake fans

Hazey Jane I

both

yum

update to an earlier comment / link I made in Eli’s thread: Huckabee did not get the Clinton protester fired today..

UPDATE — STOP THE PRESSES — Got a call at home tonight from former Gov. Mike Huckabee. Yes, really. I did. It was a cordial call. But he wanted to say 1) he had not seen the girl with the sign at Central Flying 2) he’d made no complaint to anyone about her presence because he hadn’t seen her 3) any suggestion otherwise was “absolutely unbelievable” (if I read my scrawled notes on a hotel notepad correctly). He said the McCain plane landed at a Central termnal not easily in view of where Micah says she stood. In short, a la Sgt. Schultz, he knows “no-thing.” I’ll buy that.

here! Suzanne, check this.
and anyone else!
Maher is relevant, funny and has excellent guest line ups, mostly.

thanks, i’ll check it out when i’m off duty :)

i remember watching bill maher when he started, and then when he got his show……good stuff…

he has always been alert in the politics game. is his interest, his hobby. turned it into a career.

can’t speak for him now, but can say he always says what he thinks, and he does think, deeply, highly intelligent.

didn’t always agree with his comments, but appreciated that they came from a highly evolved mind.

and sometimes he said things that i wished i could have articulated exactly as he said them.

Wow, a forwarded email with no links to actual news sources to back up a freakin’ thing it says. Stunning.

Have you been to Esephus?

Oh, hi everyone. How’s Friday night shaking out for you?
‘
I’ve had a nice dinner, glass of wine, and watching Moyers. Well, it’s being recorded since I’m not really listening while surfing the net.

Hey guys.

This is a way touchy subject, eh?

My daughter just had to do an opinion piece on the second amendment/gun control issue in re the DC law that came up for review before the Supremes. Much to my surprise, after we both discussed it, we both came out sort of pro gun ownership.

Now, don’t jump all over me at once. I’m not for guns on campus. I am for the citizenry being armed because a) it’s in the Constitution which I respect with all my heart and b) it is specifically to protect citizens against their own govt oppressing them.

JMHO. You all know I’m not a provocative troll. I know there are problems to be fixed. But there you go.

kewl! would LOVE to hear your input!
;)
siriusmaju1atyahoo.com put FDL in the subject so it doesn’t go to spam.
and
ENJOY!

are you involved with the show? and would you like me to fix that email addy so ya don’t get spammed?

The MSM is the most powerful lobby.

I always request that my guns are lubed loads.

Oh…come…on…

…watch where you’re waving that thing.

Check Snopes for verification.

Nick Drake reminds me of this feller…

Maher is must see if you have HBO. he will piss you off too, but it’s worth it.

No I haven’t…. this year will be France, Italy and a week soaking up the sun in Crete….. we had an alternate plan that didn’t pan out with flying to Istanbul and drive into Greece and then on to Crete…. If the world or the economy hasn’t crashed….. it is on my list…

you were asked to provide documentation and your reply is an email and go check snopes?

i own mine, and will never give it up (never say never, but i dunno what could promt such a move),

and I’m WELL AWARE of the fact that I was born with the right to own a firearm.

did I derail this thread by bringing up lubricants? heh…

lol

CT, excellent!

I have XM radio, and lately I’ve been listening to more and more of Folk Village (their folk channel). Gordon shows up there quite a bit!

Hi! Tried to find out more about your creamware jug that your family donated to the Winterthur Museum. Didn’t find anything, very frustrated.

Lots o’ Liberals want to protect gun ownership. I was reading this debate about the completely inexcusable way these fuckwads decided to address the issue.

Is Fred Phelps advising these inhumane “people” on best PR tactics?!?!

you were asked to provide documentation and your reply is an email and go check snopes?

Yep.

Now thats what I thought…. love me some SEAFOOD…and dam Salmon season was shut down before it even opened up…on the whole west coast…

When I win the lottery I want to go back to Esephus and sleep outside over night near the worlds oldest library. (if the Turks will let me)

One enchanting place!

no documentation on a subject you brought to the thread means that your comment gets ignored in my book.

ymmv

Of course, this could all backfire. I heard about 66% of people aged 18-26 are Obama supporters…”that strange cult of mindless droids that will do anything upon command”. Given that “Brother Barry”Mohammed Obama is a Muslim, a card-carting member of the Weather Underground, and a follower of the Afro-Centric anti-American Trinity Church (did I mention he’s black?)…then this could be providing the army of the New Revolution!

Did I mention that he can’t bowl and can’t sing Elvis worth a damn (his North Korean training failed somewhere, I guess Kim Il-Jung didn’t have him use his secret underground bowling alley)? His Madrassah didn’t show him how to hammer down shots, only to drink beer. And I bet that Obama even knows French words like habeas corpus. What’s next! Allowing chimps to have AK-47’s?

“Damned dirty apes!”

There’s no law agin’ it!

The people who are loudest about gun rights seem to the ones hot headed enough they should never be allowed to own one. JMHO.

If a mentally ill college student had not been able to buy a gun, the shooting at VA Tech wouldn’t have happened. It irritates me when people refuse to deal with a problem, and prefer to distract the discussion with side issues.

This is directed at the clown who went to VA Tech today for his “presentation” and not at anyone here at the lake.

ITA. the PR tactics suck in the worst way.

The gun shop owner might need to have his health records checked too for thinking it was a good idea to come on campus. duh.

I saw a big alligator yesterday between new orleans and the spillway. cool. mucho turtles, too.

this is what it looks like there.

then I flew home to Sacramento, damn it.

I know. I live on the American River. There was NO salmon run this year. Pissed me off cause they (whoever they are) screwed with the water levels.

I completely agree with you and wish I had added that to my original comment.

The very best of late night to you ALL!
or, in other words,
GOOD NIGHT!
from the South West United States of America!

i saw some salmon sex in the creek today

I agree with those reasons and sentiment.. but I don’t think that students should be packing… just feels all wrong to me. But those in charge.. well being armed can be a deterrent and limit the carnage to the unarmed innocent.

But I really did see an alligator!

Um, there’s a new post and the comments are off. :(

WTF?

GOD! I love my country, and I want her back!
hugz

The few times I’ve been in the local “outdoor gear” shop for fishing stuff, women have come in to buy a firearm.

Thanks.

Finding provenance for the creamware jug has been most frustrating.

We’ve pretty much given up the search.

I thank you for your interest.

night.

g’nite julia. an excellent discussion you kicked off tonight :)

“no documentation on a subject you brought to the thread means that your comment gets ignored in my book.”

Sorry to hear it.

b) it is specifically to protect citizens against their own govt oppressing them.

Dosido. Here’s the problem. Show me anywhere in the Constitution where it says that the right to bear arms is essential for the populace to protect citizens from their own Government? Now look at all the points where that armed militia is to be called up in cases of invasion and…ta da…”insurrection”.

What’s an insurrection except an armed group of citizens rising up against the State or Federal government?

Now. Read the Amendment IN FULL, notice the qualifying clause about “a well regulated militia”. Find it? Now go find the bits in the Constitution about who controls the “well-regulated militia”? Is it some local Citizen council? I think you’ll find that it is the Congress and the States that can regulate who is a member, who are the officers, what training a militia member MUST undertake, supplies the arms, etc.

It’s a common myth that everyone was armed in the Colonies or in England…the reason why control of the Lexington and Concord armories were such an issue was that most of the useful weapons and powder were stored in them. Most of the weapons used were taken from these militias, and the Patriots were just a little better at shooting them than the mustered up redcoats sent out to capture the arsenals. Gary Wills has an excellent book about the relative absence of private firearms in the US and the preceding Colonies. The numbers only escalated during and after the Civil War.

Some of the Veterans of the Revolution retained their weapons after the war, particularly in frontier areas, as partial payment for service. This posed a problem in the period just prior to the signing of the Constitution. Vets in Vermont rose up against the State in Shay’s Rebellion after a period of foreclosures on their farms. They established a separate State government. Washington ordered General Lincoln up to suppress the insurrection with the militias that were mustered in other regions. The Vets were disarmed, tried, and a score of organizers sentenced to death. Yes, Rep. Dan Shays is a descendant of the ringleader who was hung.

Then there was the Whisky Rebellion. This was a tax uprising by armed men who were killing tax collectors in Tennessee and Kentucky. Again the militia was sent out and confiscated weapons, arrested the organizers, and many were tried…the more notorious skeddadled off to Canada or points unknown.

The Second Amendment was written in this context. There is a clear distinction between “armed insurrectionists” and those in the organized militia under the regulations of Congress and officers appointed by the State.

So much for the idea t

katymine, if you aren’t familiar with it, check out David Lebovitz’s blog.
A US expat cookbook writer living in Paris. Great archives and links.
Lots of info re Paris and all of France.

I have my eye on him for trex, pity he’s geographically inconvenient.

http://www.davidlebovitz.com/

Correction:

Most of the weapons used were taken from these militias, and the Patriots were just a little better at shooting them than the mustered up redcoats sent out to capture the arsenals.

Should say “Most of the weapons used by the patriots were taken from these ARSENALS.”

I also recognize that the States had militias made up of local people who were pretty much average citizens. The thing is…these were groups of people registered to serve, and that excluded or exempted others. Not everyone was in it…and not everyone that served in a local one went off and fought the British. Some were excluded because they were of dubious sympathies, were not willing to fight the Brits, were a bit “tetched”, unreliable, had a criminal background or was otherwise untrustworthy, and a host of other reasons.

And throughout American history there were a whole host of gun laws that restricted WHERE people could pack heat…and WHO could do so. Even on the frontier guns were pretty much carried only in unsettled areas. In most towns cowboys, vaqueros and ranch hands had to check firearms at the Sherriff’s office. Armed men coming into “settlements” were always viewed suspiciously. There were, of course, wild towns where men carried sidearms..and the places where this was allowed are the stuff of legend (and by that I mean the stories pawned off back east by penny pulp novelists as truth…which largely was not).

HUH Suz??

Go to Nice.