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	<title>Comments on: Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Vote Fails In Senate:  The Case For More And Better Democrats</title>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Big government can be a bad thing if it is done badly — look at the way the Department of Justice has been misused for political purposes by Rove for starters.  But good government, done well — no matter its size — can be a benefit, both in terms of service, efficiency and overall benefit to society when done well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of answers to Reagan and Gingrich, starting with the Head Start program and the Birth To Three program for early intervention to help disadvantaged children or to help children with learning or other disabilities catch up early in life when the differences are, in fact, correctable because the child’s brain is still developing and can be sometimes helped to work past — or at least learn to better manage — severe autism and other developmental delays or societal disadvantages due to family or neglect or other issues that may be in play.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chronically underfunding thes programs so that they can’t advertise and can’t help children the way they are intended is guaranteed to make them fail — and, as a consequence, fail the children they are meant to serve. Funding them properly, with a budget that allows them to advertise the miracles they can perform for children from birth forward, helps to educate parents, medical providers and childcare providers on how they can guide parents and children into programs that can help get them on a better track.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that’s just a single issue where things could be better with a program that works — and works well — and saves the state and federal government money in the long run in terms of children’s special needs services in schools.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It isn’t that we don’t have answers.  It’s that people inevitably refuse to listen to them.  Just because we do things back-assward in this country doesn’t mean we cannot do them better.  And just saying that big government is the bogeyman misses the point entirely:  bad government is always a bad thing.  But good government — especially coupled with individual responsibility and community support — can work miracles for all of us.  The more we all remember that we are all in this together, the better off we all are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big government can be a bad thing if it is done badly — look at the way the Department of Justice has been misused for political purposes by Rove for starters.  But good government, done well — no matter its size — can be a benefit, both in terms of service, efficiency and overall benefit to society when done well.</p>
<p>There are a lot of answers to Reagan and Gingrich, starting with the Head Start program and the Birth To Three program for early intervention to help disadvantaged children or to help children with learning or other disabilities catch up early in life when the differences are, in fact, correctable because the child’s brain is still developing and can be sometimes helped to work past — or at least learn to better manage — severe autism and other developmental delays or societal disadvantages due to family or neglect or other issues that may be in play.</p>
<p>Chronically underfunding thes programs so that they can’t advertise and can’t help children the way they are intended is guaranteed to make them fail — and, as a consequence, fail the children they are meant to serve. Funding them properly, with a budget that allows them to advertise the miracles they can perform for children from birth forward, helps to educate parents, medical providers and childcare providers on how they can guide parents and children into programs that can help get them on a better track.</p>
<p>And that’s just a single issue where things could be better with a program that works — and works well — and saves the state and federal government money in the long run in terms of children’s special needs services in schools.</p>
<p>It isn’t that we don’t have answers.  It’s that people inevitably refuse to listen to them.  Just because we do things back-assward in this country doesn’t mean we cannot do them better.  And just saying that big government is the bogeyman misses the point entirely:  bad government is always a bad thing.  But good government — especially coupled with individual responsibility and community support — can work miracles for all of us.  The more we all remember that we are all in this together, the better off we all are.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupescissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupescissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the comments Christy cites, but Ialso feel that one problem with  the liberal movement/community/wing is that it has never adequately answered the criticisms leveled at it by Howard Jarvis, Ronald Reagan and even Newt Gingrich. To this day we don’t have a good rationale for the kind of changes we want. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For example: confronted with the meme that Big Government is a Bad Thing, Democrats either laugh, sneer, or turn self-righteous; or, if they’re politicians they pretend that they think Big Government is a Bad Thing, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s the same with health care, the environment, the abrogation of the Bill of Rights, the wars, our never-ratified alliance with Israel–almost any liberal agenda item. The grassroots just know they’re already in the right, and the politicians pretend the changes we want aren’t really outside the so-called main stream. No one has really been able to put a dent into the conservative-Right premisses that see our agenda as dangerous, expensive, too big, too weak, or what have you. We have specific arguments for specific things, but we don’t have real answers to the Reagan critique–at least none that our political leaders and spokespersons have been willing to enunciate in public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can’t just blame the media, or the dumb southerners that everybody here takes such pleasure in mocking, just chalk it up to better and more organized zealots on the other side. It’s us, too. We don’t have an real answer to the Reagan. It’s not enough to say “Just look around,” or roll our eyes. What is our reply?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comments Christy cites, but Ialso feel that one problem with  the liberal movement/community/wing is that it has never adequately answered the criticisms leveled at it by Howard Jarvis, Ronald Reagan and even Newt Gingrich. To this day we don’t have a good rationale for the kind of changes we want. </p>
<p>For example: confronted with the meme that Big Government is a Bad Thing, Democrats either laugh, sneer, or turn self-righteous; or, if they’re politicians they pretend that they think Big Government is a Bad Thing, too.</p>
<p>It’s the same with health care, the environment, the abrogation of the Bill of Rights, the wars, our never-ratified alliance with Israel–almost any liberal agenda item. The grassroots just know they’re already in the right, and the politicians pretend the changes we want aren’t really outside the so-called main stream. No one has really been able to put a dent into the conservative-Right premisses that see our agenda as dangerous, expensive, too big, too weak, or what have you. We have specific arguments for specific things, but we don’t have real answers to the Reagan critique–at least none that our political leaders and spokespersons have been willing to enunciate in public.</p>
<p>You can’t just blame the media, or the dumb southerners that everybody here takes such pleasure in mocking, just chalk it up to better and more organized zealots on the other side. It’s us, too. We don’t have an real answer to the Reagan. It’s not enough to say “Just look around,” or roll our eyes. What is our reply?</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or not.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ewwwww…think of all the things one could catch.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewwwww…think of all the things one could catch.</p>
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		<title>By: nahant</title>
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		<dc:creator>nahant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My take on this issue is that those supreme court justices who voted down Lilly’s case have indeed broken the law. By upholding Goodyear’s case they have violated the basic principles of the constitution of fairness and equality as the constitution tries do uphold. They all should be impeached for disregarding the constitution and taking the side of the rich corporations… what fucking kind of assholes are they? If it was their wife or daughter I wonder how they would have voted? Talk about liberal judges legislating from the bench WTF do you call what they have done? These issues needs to be plastered everywhere for all to see just how important it is to have Democratic control of the white house!!! The rethuglian party does not have the good of the country or it’s people in mind when they do any thing, &lt;strong&gt;only&lt;/strong&gt; how to line their and their corporate buddies pockets with cash. Fuck them!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on this issue is that those supreme court justices who voted down Lilly’s case have indeed broken the law. By upholding Goodyear’s case they have violated the basic principles of the constitution of fairness and equality as the constitution tries do uphold. They all should be impeached for disregarding the constitution and taking the side of the rich corporations… what fucking kind of assholes are they? If it was their wife or daughter I wonder how they would have voted? Talk about liberal judges legislating from the bench WTF do you call what they have done? These issues needs to be plastered everywhere for all to see just how important it is to have Democratic control of the white house!!! The rethuglian party does not have the good of the country or it’s people in mind when they do any thing, <strong>only</strong> how to line their and their corporate buddies pockets with cash. Fuck them!!</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;if people are performing the same tasks arent they supposed to be equally paid? and have the unions been involved?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most positions have broad salary ranges which provides some cover for management.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus, I believe in Ledbetter’s case, she and the men in question were considered supervisory/management staff so the union would have no bearing, assuming it were a union facility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>if people are performing the same tasks arent they supposed to be equally paid? and have the unions been involved?</p>
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<p>Most positions have broad salary ranges which provides some cover for management.</p>
<p>Plus, I believe in Ledbetter’s case, she and the men in question were considered supervisory/management staff so the union would have no bearing, assuming it were a union facility.</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;News reports say that McCain skipped the vote to campaign in New Orleans, but says that he opposes the bill since it would provoke lawsuits [from the affected women, naturally].&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fuck John McCain sideways.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>News reports say that McCain skipped the vote to campaign in New Orleans, but says that he opposes the bill since it would provoke lawsuits [from the affected women, naturally].</em></p>
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<p>Fuck John McCain sideways.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Humbris = false modesty, I like it&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paging &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oed.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oxford English Dictionary&lt;/a&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I put the link in so they’ll follow it back here, and pick up your new word.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humbris = false modesty, I like it</p>
<p>Paging <a href="http://www.oed.com/" rel="nofollow">Oxford English Dictionary</a>…</p>
<p>I put the link in so they’ll follow it back here, and pick up your new word.</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey yeah- it does…has a funny sound to it as well. I think I LIKE it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey yeah- it does…has a funny sound to it as well. I think I LIKE it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oops- that was supposed to be “Hubris”. Is there such a word as “humbris”? Looks like a word.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It looks like it should means something like “false modesty”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oops- that was supposed to be “Hubris”. Is there such a word as “humbris”? Looks like a word.</p>
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<p>It looks like it should means something like “false modesty”.</p>
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