[I'm making a plea today on behalf of more and better Democrats: we need more of them in office shaping the policies and actions of the Democratic party. Let's call this another $10 day -- pick a Blue America candidate of your choice and make a donation. Call up their election HQ and volunteer to make calls or stuff envelopes or knock on doors. Do something to help get better people into office in November. And do it today! -- CHS]
I love this clip with Rick Perlstein and David Frum. David posits a need for a more authoritarian hand, and Rick appeals to historical accuracy and to reason. And through this very short clip, you see the differences between Democratic and Republican worldviews — and how failing to learn all of the lessons of our history can distort your present view of politics. And I find that fascinating. (You can watch the Bloggingheads debate in its entirety here.)
We did an extended book salon on Rick’s superb history on Barry Goldwater and American politics a while back (Part I and Part II). And something that Digby said in her introduction to the discussion in Part II has stuck with me:
Before the Storm does have a lot to say about movement politics. It’s not Goldwater who’s the main protagonist in Perlstein’s account; it’s the conservative activists who used his candidacy to rebuild American politics from the grassroots. But Perlstein also is interested in ideas – as the subtitle says, the book is about the “Unmaking of the American Consensus.” Perlstein wants to know how the smug liberal consensus underlying the Affluent Society of 1960s America was shattered, and replaced by a new, conservative-friendly, set of received wisdoms. “Before the Storm” only begins to describe how this happened, but suggests that it surely had its origins with Goldwater’s supporters. In short, Perlstein tells us that you have to understand both movement politics and ideas if you want to understand why the conservatives won.
Ideas are at the fore of Perlstein’s pamphlet The Stock Market and the Super Jumbo, where he draws out the lessons of the conservative movement for today’s Democrats. Perlstein argues that the Democratic party’s key problem is that it isn’t prepared to commit to a long-term political vision. Goldwater’s conservatives “made sure everyone knew what it meant to be a Republican” by committing to a set of ideas which were pretty unpopular at the outset. They pushed these ideas again and again until they gained legitimacy, and finally became received wisdom among the political classes. They spent sixteen years in the wilderness before they won; but when they won, they took the prize. They were able to reshape the political consensus in their image.
This is the reason why ‘centrist’ and ‘bipartisan’ pundits like David Broder are so damaging to the Democratic party. They’ve internalized Republican talking points about where the political center of gravity is, and how to enforce the boundaries of ‘acceptable’ debate. Progressives are at a perpetual disadvantage, because the terms of political argument are rigged against them. Perlstein’s solution is for the Democratic party to reconnect with the core interests of its voters by “making commitments that do not waver from election to election.” Specifically, they need to commit irreversibly to economic liberalism, and “stick with it even if they lose, in order to win big.”
The Democratic party establishment has forgotten how to effectively fight back, as Rick so effortlessly does in the clip. Refutation of false narratives requires advance preparation and a willingness to stand up and say "wrong" when one is confronted with an ideological or factual falsehood.
But the mumbled responses of the party elites have been ingrained over years of loud, rampant buffoonery by the Newt Gingriches and the bombastic stylings of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. Democratic party elders never understood that a response was needed — that simply ignoring the loud goobers in the corner was not nearly adequate. And the media — suffering from Battered Press Syndrome — simply wants the meanness to stop, but fails to understand that until they start doing their jobs and being skeptics instead of perpetuating the self-created Republican myths, it is they who have backed themselves into corners of their own making.
Those of us who have spent the last few years doing progressive pushback saw that immediately. Jane’s series On Image (Part I and Part II) is seared into my brain precisely because it was so clearly needed — and because the only folks who learned these lessons were the ones who don’t make money perpetuating the status quo of political consultancy and meme-repetition.
Which is why the recent conservative whining about the vast resources of the message machine on the left (HA!) is so supremely satisfying — and humorous. The right has an enormous web of monetary support and institutionalized perpetuation machinery. But what they have failed to do with all of those resources is to learn the lessons of their own conservative history — failed to take note of the bad, and to change it rather than simply screaming they were right at the top of their lungs until everyone else just agreed so they’d shut up.
The sole reason the right’s message machine is failing is because their lies aren’t working any longer. Because people are too worried about affording necessities and keeping their jobs and their homes to shell out for some snake oil falsehoods on the side.
But that tiny group that is still buying it, including GOP stalwarts and party elders? They’ve either bought into the lies altogether, or they are too steeped in them to ever publicly admit they are part of the problem because it would ruin their reputation and their access to all that wingnut welfare fundage.
As a result, they replicate these failures over and over again. And we are all reaping what they’ve sown with George Bush and Dick Cheney, who have so run the Republican brand into the ground that, as Sidney says, their candidates for President this year tried to avoid mentioning him at all costs. With a media which is more suited to repetition of the prefab narrative PR image of John McCain, we are all going to have our hands full from here to November if we want to see any change in the status quo.
Here is what I know: people are hurting right now, and our political and social structure is so off kilter that we could have started rectifying problems years ago and it still would not have been soon enough. What we need is real leadership on a whole host of issues. And we need it now. Would that the leadership were coming from those we elect as our representatives.
To that end, I’m making a plea today on behalf of more and better Democrats: we need more of them in office shaping the policies and actions of the Democratic party. Let’s call this another $10 day — pick a Blue America candidate of your choice and make a donation. Call up their election HQ and volunteer to make calls or stuff envelopes or knock on doors. Do something to help get better people into office in November. Let’s get to work…
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Good morning, Christy.
Morning Christy, Lindy :)
Morning all! More coffee?
Put it in bold, Christy!
dmac just posted something OT downstairs but definitely on topic here:
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OT—i just started a revolt, HURRAH!!!
the local radio show, called about the lilly ledbetter fair pay act, people started calling in about it……voinavich, he voted nay-he said because amendment procedures weren’t followed…..
people call in about issues, their own, but this time people started joinin in on each others’….
took a while, but it’s happening…..wow it feels good to hear people asking for more info and using it…..wow…..
some around here do, but i’ve heard a lot more new voices calling in for phone numbers and giving info…..
the host just now said let’s get 500 people to call, flood his officesl……i didn’t say that part…
i also reminded people to call harry reid….
202-224-3121
800-450-8293
and then a lady called about an article in a union magazine (don’t know which one) about elaine chao–it gave a website.
http://www.shameonelaine.org
thanks fdl, without your guidance and information i never would have developed a plan on how to get info out, and wouldn’t have done it in a miilion years.
(and i forgot to say, cuz i’m humble, guess i’m not anymore by saying this, but many many people keep saying today during their calls how much they appreciated my ’reasoned’ opinion and information…one guy said if i don’t want to give my name, could i give a nickname so they can quit calling me ’that lady’……hey es-so ya think turtle with the spunky bullhorn would do?)
bbl, gonna go plant some herbs…..just had to share.
((((fdl))))
Reid switched his vote to a “no” at the end for procedural reasons, so he can bring the bill back up again later. Just so people know when they are looking at the vote tally link…
christy-
i was epu’d–but it is on topic, push back includes getting info out and when your representative isn’t representing you, and if the feet don’t move, then put someone else in office……the more informed people are, the more they demand to be represented……….that is what i have come to believe…..that is what i have learned here.
and diane rehm is doing a show on the lilly ledbetter fair pay act right now, i am disappointed that she didn’t do it before the vote….
take care and hope you don’t mind the OT, i just wanted you to know that i appreciate what you and everyone at fdl do, and that i am using it….calls and letters…every single day.
OT—i just started a revolt, HURRAH!!!
the local radio show, called about the lilly ledbetter fair pay act, people started calling in about it……voinavich, he voted nay-he said because amendment procedures weren’t followed…..
people call in about issues, their own, but this time people started joinin in on each others’….
took a while, but it’s happening…..wow it feels good to hear people asking for more info and using it…..wow…..
some around here do, but i’ve heard a lot more new voices calling in for phone numbers and giving info…..
the host just now said let’s get 500 people to call, flood his officesl……i didn’t say that part…
i also reminded people to call harry reid….
202-224-3121
800-450-8293
and then a lady called about an article in a union magazine (don’t know which one) about elaine chao–it gave a website.
http://www.shameonelaine.org
thanks fdl, without your guidance and information i never would have developed a plan on how to get info out, and wouldn’t have done it in a miilion years.
(and i forgot to say, cuz i’m humble, guess i’m not anymore by saying this, but many many people keep saying today during their calls how much they appreciated my ’reasoned’ opinion and information…one guy said if i don’t want to give my name, could i give a nickname so they can quit calling me ’that lady’……hey es-so ya think turtle with the spunky bullhorn would do?)
bbl, gonna go plant some herbs…..just had to share.
((((fdl))))
thank you dmac!
Yay! Good work!
To a large extent, the “leaders” of the conservative movement didn’t lead it at all. It was fueled in part by grassroots reaction to such diverse things as:
Brown vs. Board of Education
Sex Education
Anti War protests
Civil Rights Legislation
Court decisions outlawing prayer in schools
etc.
Putative “leaders” of the conservative movement merely wrapped all that fear and anger under a banner and declared the birth of “conservatism” which found it’s most perfect political expression in Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”…
The conservative movement was born in rascism- not fancy ass speeches. It continues to feed at the same trough.
Great work! I’ve got something coming up on Ledbetter in a bit — really good job calling in and getting the ball rolling on Voinavich. He deserves some “shame on you” calls in a big way today!
ahhh Perlstein – the wonky hotness !
answers the question of where the next Terkel or Hirsch will come from now don’t it ;)
still reading through all your links Christy – but firedogs I cannot recommend those 2 Book Salon threads enough – have a look !
Christy, my candidate for the House from my district is not on Act Blue. I’m giving her support through volunteering. She’s running in a June 3 primary against a real bush dog. Both the republicans and the democrats lobbied him to run, and, judging from the televised debate, he would be more of the same. So…Cheryl Sabel for Congress!
sorry christy, i didn’t clarify, i told people to call harryreid to bring it back up again……
dakine pointed out the procedural aspect of it last night, i forgot about that……
so much to learn, i need a book or two about congressional procedure, anyone know of a concise one?
it can be a little deep, but ianal….
ok, gotta go do a few things, will check back later.
and i am disappointed about diane rehm waiting until after the vote to do the show……very.
I was in school with Frum (though I didn’t know him.) It was a great environment; it amazes me how he managed to learn so little.
I’ll be working for Leslie Byrne again this weekend (after spending Sun-Tues in PA for Obama.) I’ll either be canvassing or going to a fundraiser on Saturday, so please count me in for the $10 day even though it won’t show up on Blue America.
That’s a very common procedural tactic used by both parties for generations, and one reason why trying to track the positions of the party leaders based on the vote tallies is very tricky.
Good reminder to everyone.
Per your request Christy, $20 to Rick Noriega in Texas.
FWIW, Feingold is supporting him too.
Oh, and also, that’s pretty weaselly stuff from Voinovich. He may think he’s clever, but normal people have no trouble at all seeing “I voted against it because proper procedure wasn’t followed” as the same thing as “we’re denying your claim because you filled out the form wrong.”
The “religious right” had it’s early beginning in California with a woman’s one person war against sex education….It turned into a national movement and some religious leaders began to see the possibility of jumping on the bandwagon…
Roe/Wade came along and enabled the right wing christian movement to wrap that into the anger equation. Prior to that time, none of the fundie churches gave a shit about abortion- it was exclusively a catholic issue.
we have a golden opportunity to offer an alternative – and the dems in congress aren’t doing it.
i don’t care about more dems any more – just give me better ones, even if that means less of them in the short term. because i think without a decent vision, more of the same is not going to cut it.
I agree with this post 100%, particularly the excellent points about ingrained Right-wing framing, the need for a long-term rectification plan, and the need for a grassroots effort to elect real progressives. All of it is 100% on target.
Where I would add to this discussion would be to point out that some of the symptoms described – the Democrat’s inability to respond, and the role of the Press – are not simple failings of incompetence or perception.
The Press is not simply negligent, incompetent, or “battered.” The press is complicit. The mainstream media is owned by the same war-profiteering corporations that perpetuate the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the press actively suppresses news that would hinder the Right. We’re having a clear demonstration of that right now. While willing to point out that gas prices and food prices are through the roof, the press makes no attempt to explain these phenomena – prices are simply higher, and gosh-golly no one is to blame.
If a Democrat were in the White House, the press would be inflamed with apocalyptic hysteria, blaming Democrats for everything. There would be outraged calls for public action to address these problems.
Instead the economy is burning while the press fiddles with trivia. That’s because the press is owned by the Right. One cannot analyze the current political environment without acknowledging the erosion of a true independent press.
Part of the reason that many Democrats fail to respond is that they are part of a self-protecting ruling class, and they work towards their own interests and not those of the nation. And I don’t mean this in a star-chamber conspiracy sort of way, I mean it in the very unconscious “why would I do THAT” sort of everyday fashion, wherein those accustomed to privilege and power simply internalize the policies and attitudes that benefit them, to the point where policies that would help the nation simply look ridiculous from their point of view. Certainly there are also those who are aggressively self-serving, and a few who are Republicans in Democratic clothing, but a lot of Democratic Congresspeople simply suffer from Beltway Blindness, and need to be removed from power because they are simply out of touch.
Bottom line:
If one wants to imitate the “success” of the conservative leadership. then one does not try to selll a package of programs but rather sniff out some things that people are already pissed off about and find a way to exploit em.
Christy – I’ve been “spending my money at home” and helping Eric Massa. He’s not going to be “my guy” but I figure anyone who can beat Randy Kuhl deserves help.
Excellent points all!
I think that’s a great idea. And I think spending time is as valuable, if not more so, for folks who are feeling left out of the donor process. I can remember all of the canvassing I did early on for the Kerry campaign and how great it felt to run into a couple of people on whose doors I knocked standing in line to vote with me for the election.
It really can make a huge difference. And if all of us put in some hours for candidates we really felt would do better than what we have, imagine the ripple of change that could get started nationwide…
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs -
Christy – thank you for the Let’s Get to Work ! reminder
far too much sniping and far too many ‘doom and gloom in November’ firepups – understandable but not acceptable
am set to work for a less than progressive but not Bush Dog dem – yeah, I would love to work to install one of you in Congress but for now he’s all we’ve got – housebound dfh’s with phones can do phonebanking – check out MoveOn, Progressive Dems, your local Dem HQ, etc. to see where you can help out
Truer words have never been written.
The Press is not simply negligent, incompetent, or “battered.” The press is complicit. The mainstream media is owned by the same war-profiteering corporations that perpetuate the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the press actively suppresses news that would hinder the Right. We’re having a clear demonstration of that right now. While willing to point out that gas prices and food prices are through the roof, the press makes no attempt to explain these phenomena – prices are simply higher, and gosh-golly no one is to blame.
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thank you until people REALLY get this w3e are doomed
Another important factor is the question of why the Right holds together better than the Left. The answer is plain and simple MONEY. It’s the glue that has kept the Right unified so long.
The profit motive is what supports the ability of the right to keep its various factions – the religious right, the anti-immigrant fearmongers, the hawks – all on message. At the top you have wealthy individuals willing to invest money in a propaganda infrastructure (”right-wing think-tanks”) to keep their movement unified, with the massive return on investment being highly profitable control of the machinery of government.
And it has worked. The Right has invested and every financial trend analysis of the past thirty years shows the rich getting richer and the rest of us suffering greenback anemia.
One of the big challenges of Progressivism is that we don’t have an equally immmediate and compelling unifying motive. Altruism is all well and good, but it’s not immediately profitable, and requires a thorough education in history and ethics (and these days, environmental science) in order to illustrate the benefits of the investments it calls for.
The Right will always be easily motivated by money and power – the Left is challenged to find as powerful a set of motivators with which to galvanize and unify its disparate elements…
You hit it right. Look at the heirarchy of the Dem. party(besides Dean, of course). A lot of them seem conservative type Dems. They seem more in it for the money & prestige then to make a difference. Take a guy like Ed Rendell. A DLC’er through and through. He thinks he can solve PA’s budget problems through legalized gambling. He used to be a pretty popular mayor here. No more. The state has basically ran all over the city to get the slot parlors built. And he has an ego the size of Manhattan. Did you see how often he was on TV the past six weeks. He’s so full of himself.
It appears that the gooper coalition is showing it’s age and crumbling a bit before our eyes…The religious right and the libertarian right are natural enemies in an unholy alliance..The “Country Club Republicans” just want to keep their taxes low and get lots of WEALTHY WELFARE checks from the government
The Right will always be easily motivated by money and power – the Left is challenged to find as powerful a set of motivators with which to galvanize and unify its disparate elements…
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right now it seems to beFOOD ,SHELTER,and Gas
i post the salaries of the elite media all the time
i guess about 10 years or so ago
THE MULTI BILLIONAIRE plutocrats that run this countery ,got the idea,to give SOME MORSELS in the way of multimillion dollar salaries to the press,WORKED like a charm
THEY HAVE BEEN BOUGHT ,lock stock and barrel
It is just gorgeous here today — sun is shining, light breeze blowing the lingering fragrance of the last of my flowering plum blossoms in through the windows. Birdies are all over the feeders this morning, storing up for egg laying, I suppose. Gorgeous sunshine and not a cloud in the sky. May have to take The Peanut to the park this afternoon, if the weather holds — it’s too lovely to stay inside today.
Bravo!!!!
But, do the Rethugs hold together…really? For example, in the PA primary, only 791,205 Republicans voted (vs. 2,304,495 Dems); and of those, 27% voted for someone other than McCain. If they were going to “hold together”so well, wouldn’t that number have been very very small? I think the Rethugs are breaking apart, frankly. I think the socalled moderates are royally pissed off at what the right wing Cheney-ites have done to “their” party. I think a lot of the Evangelicals have woken up to the fact that they’ve been turned into warmongering anti-ecology oppressors AND they did not get what they were promised. I think as more and more sunshine is being directed to the corruption and destruction to the country that has come down from Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gonzalez et al.(with Chimpy McFlightsuit along for the ride), a whole lot of people are asking themselves some hard questions.
I haven’t lived in a cold winter location for many years- but I remember one of the best parts of it—-the day you finally say “spring is here” and run outside in your shorts and tee shirt.
You have to remember … the Republicans had no reason to go to the polls Tuesday … there were very few contested races … if any at all
the new meme is that our GRASS ROOTS canidate,supported by 1.5 MILLION voters online,is that he is “wishy washy”,not strong and VIRILE……oh puke
Good Morning Christy and Firepups.
On behalf of all sane Canadians, I would like to apologize for David Frum … just goes to show (along with Harper and his Neocon playpals) that Canada is not perfect …
I think we’ve had quite enough of “strong and virile” candidates who are actually manipulative, sneaky, dishonest, craven jerks. “Strong and virile” means sometimes standing there and taking it, not striking out at people thousands of miles away who never did anything to you.
McBush leading both dem candidates by one point each in today’s national gallup polling. It’s WAY early, but this is a bit unnerving.
second your emotion
That would require both the press and the electorate thinking through long-term consequences of actions. And, some days, I despair of this ever happening on a large scale… SIGH
Anyone else needing a vacation from stupidity lately?
not really the man has been fed NERF BALLS ,since he threw his hat in ther ring,cept for the little blip,about MISS VICKY member her?
After Obama is officially anointed, groups of informed citizens will have to show up at these news outlets and counter all the dirt that will be dished out.
Vocal grassroots support will largely determine who will win their contests in November.
yea,gonna go watch the baby calf and her mom,in 10 minutes and plant the lavenender (bushes) the only good bushes i know
yup,….PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES
LOL !!!
((((( sadlyyes )))))
I agree rwcole. The “conservative movement” succeeded only because there was so much societal change post WWII and that equaled FEAR to a lot of whites in this country. Those racial and sexual changes are past history now (yes, I know we still need to go further on both counts) but the younger generations just accept a multi-polar world and aren’t afraid of it.
CHS said,“The sole reason the right’s message machine is failing is because their lies aren’t working any longer. Because people are too worried about affording necessities and keeping their jobs and their homes to shell out for some snake oil falsehoods on the side.”
This is it in a nutshell. The conservative ideology is just that “ideology.” It has FAILED at running govt. Politics has become the ends and the means for them, and 70% (and growing) of us can see that they don’t know how to actually “run” anything. It’s all falling apart around us and all they can say is things aren’t so bad. The conservative movement has failed US.
Josh Marshall had a post about this yesterday. Here’s a rather large quote from his post. He makes a lot of sense.
beam me up scotty!
Dems tend to do well during tough economic times, and sadly, we appear to have some of those ahead…
thanks…poor guy sold the herd,and these 2 are the last vestiges…(hay gone through the roof) …..sigh
I may have to go on another baking spree. I feel a batch of banana blueberry muffins coming on today if I can find the time. No idea why, maybe it’s the repetitive nature of it or the association of it with my grandmothers, but cooking really relaxes me.
Yes- that makes sense and all indicators point to a dem victory in the fall- but it’s not a good time to get overconfident.
Speaking on lies that aren’t working anymore. In my local dead tree paper, there was an article from the NYT. It covered McCain’s forgotten places tour. There was a line that St McCain is trying to market himself as a different kind of republican.
Christy – you know, I think something a lot of us on the left-hand side are sort of guilty of is that we think that anyone with two brain cells to rub together should recognize all of this stuff. That what is happening should be self-evident to anyone above the level of a houseplant, so we don’t get involved, we don’t talk back, we don’t argue with people about their BS. We want to be nice. We want to be liked. We don’t want to be “like them”. And the problem is, in my estimation..that because of that, they have been able to own the landscape for years and years so that their crap now sounds like some sort of common wisdom – very acceptable. WE MUST NOT GIVE AN INCH TO THESE PEOPLE. EVERY BS LINE MUST BE MET WITH A PUSH BACK.
Don’t forget that Presidents Dukakis and Kerry both had far larger leads in the polls at a comparable time in ‘88 and ‘04.
Oh wait a minute, that’s right, they LOST!
yes.
and a goat or two.
do it with humor,i usually drop some line with truth,and make it PALETABLE
Totally agree with the overconfidence part. Just because the conditions are perfect for a Dem victory doesn’t mean we have a lock.
I only mention it because the conservatives have had a pretty good run- and for years the left has looked over their shoulders to figure out what we should copy from their playbook……often we attribute their “success” to the wrong things. It’s exploiting fear and hatred that led to their success.
You have goats,we were talking about them earlier…ok gotta go …see yall
holy cow! i forgot to send you the vanilla!!!!
better tell scotty to leave me down here with the stupid. damn.
That’s okay — I had totally forgotten about it until just now. LOL
dmac – start here,
note the ‘visiting capitol hill’ link to the right of the post head
believe these folks also offer training, virtual and otherwise about campaigning – still googling that one
Arg, makeing me hungry! I’ve been having a mean tamale craving. gunna cook up a big batch this weekend.
Sorry, but I’m taking a break from writing to browse FDL … there are a couple of reasons why baking makes us feel good, I do it often with my kids. One thing is the fond memories, the other is that it is a creative and nourishing exercise, which allows your love to flow … kinda like positive affirmations or dancing …
BTW, when the kids were younger, we would bake and dance and we once baked a Chocolate Chip Cookie which was 14 inches in Diameter … a memorable mistake … *g*
I have much the same opinion. When I used to hear Rush, it was beyond me that he actually had those thoughts, much less that anyone would pay attention. Of course, I was in for a shock. Ive had the same thougts recently about Ingraham and Hannity. Hannity has run that Ayes and Wright stuff so much, he doesn’t have to do a program. Just same tracks over. And the Ingraham world view is nuts, in a word, but she seems to think she has the information and correct view on everything. Obviously, I am totally out of step, but something about those opinions is very powerful and catch on. If I sound in shock, I am. To hear some of their stuff is like listening to crazy people, but the majority? Wow.
btw, for those of you who are thinking, “god, this is a long, rambling post,” you’ll be happy to know that I cut an additional 573 words out of it before it went up this morning. *g*
I’m not sure that Rush/Hannity et al convince many people of anything. The people who are already predisposed to their drivel tune in and fire up the anger meter..
I don’t want to say that the media has no effect on people- but we’re so polarized currently that the true believers search out media that matches their beliefs rather than getting their beliefs from the media.
Not many in this country have changed their minds about much politically until LATELY- when the shrubbery pleasure machine started throwin rods and crankcase parts all over the landscape.
(((tw3k )))
All the snow has finally disappeared so I’m gonna be on point duty with the Barbecue this weekend … first order of duty is filling up the cooler with Belgian Brew … *g*
Maybe you should give us a footnote, so we get more of the story. :)
Sad, but true — until their own bottom lines were seriously impacted, most of America could have given a rat’s ass about the failures of the Bush Administration. It was “so long as it’s not in my back yard, I don’t give a shit” writ large for a whole lot of people, and damn the long-term consequences.
simple sign by FREEWAY BLOGGER thanks Scarlet
WAR IS EXPENSIVE……PEACE iS PRICELESS…now im gone
mmm Belgian beer. makes me think us pasta w/ mussels :)
Spring just poking out here too!
Unfortunately it is so…
Few, for example, give a shit about the torture issue or the warrantless wire taps issue. Doesn’t effect their daily lives and they figure it’s just dirty ol moslems who get effected.
Mooove along … *g*
Back to the manuscript for me … thanks Christy for the visions of Banana Blueberry Muffins … might have to whip up a mid week batch …
outline for your book? :)
And I got my bumper sticker yesterday for my Dem in the contest against imcumbent W clone, McCaul. The Dem is Doughty who was on FDL conversation about a week ago. He may have a chance; McCaul has been sort AWOL except when he was voting against things like Childrens Health care, etc. I will be glad to go door to door for this guy.
Just heard on the Weather Channel (of all places) that the airlines beginning with Delta are going to start raising fares unilaterally as much as 20% because of fuel prices. Have to wonder how that’s going to affect the economy, the travel industry (and my job). Damn.
Well when airlines get married- as they have frequently of late- it’s usually bad for fares.
Fortunately–many of their attempts to raise fares are unsuccesful- someone like Southwest comes along and undercuts the shit out of em and they go back to fare wars.
Wait and see.
I heard similar coverage earlier with the comment that travel is going to be harder in general, $$ + fewer flights, the whole thing, and more lines likely to go out of business. None of it sounded good. Sorry to say…
argh@#$%^&@#$%^@#$
McCain dismisses equal pay legislation, says women need more ‘training and education.’»
Today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) skipped the vote on the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which “restores the longstanding interpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act,” overturned last year by a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling. In New Orleans today, McCain explained his opposition to the bill by claiming it “opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems.” Later in New Orleans, he added that instead of legislation allowing women to fight for equal pay, they simply need “education and training“:
“They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households, as much or more than anybody else,” McCain said. “And it’s hard for them to leave their families when they don’t have somebody to take care of them.
Oh Lord, now I’m really hungry … *g*
I made one of my ’snobby’ friends try Belgian Beer instead of wine with his sirloin and he was bowled over …
thanks for the ((love)) everyone, cuz lately i felt i was doing it in vain, like an excuse to be occupied and wasting my time, a few little blips on the radar screen here and there saying something there, but TODAY! wow, people were calling in right and left……it was wonderful.
so, just wanted to give christy and fdl some of it back…..
rw at 35–i like the day when the trees are still asleep on the outside, on the inside waking up, sap starting to flow, and sun is bright bright and it’s the first day warm enough to roll down the car windows, still have a vest or light coat on, and you can smell the earth thawing…..that’s the one that hits me deep.
thanks for the link cbl2! i need to go do my herbs, but will check it out later today.
and tw, i love tamales…..yum. make extra and invite friends over and show them your latest creatiive endeavor. nothing like a captive audience. : )
bbl
p.s. diane rehm show about the fair pay act is worth listening to, but it’ll piss you off…….
i wrote emails and tried to get in, but couldn’t….thought i got in at the end, but it rang and cut off…no more calls.
and will do the blue america thing later christy, not much, just spent 50 bucks on herbs, but count me in.
ok, plants calling.
Slogan: McCain … The Retro(grade) Candidate …
Seems that high priced beer is beating out high priced wine at least among the younger set. Sell yer vinyard stock!! BUY barley futures.
You forgot the rest of his statement at the end…”and, I am an idiot.”
i think this points to the larger cultural problems – that affect us all.
for several years now, i’ve thought it’s like we’re living in the middle of one of stanley milgram’s or phil zimbardo’s experiments. all the cultural forces and societal expectations encourage us to act in ways that are fundamentally contrary to our beliefs and our values. how we deal with that conflict varies, but i think denial and angry defensiveness are high on the list.
Up Up with Tamales- nature’s most nearly perfect food.
lol :) yeah, stomach is starting growl, can’t keep my mind on topic.
good beer is good bread!
for dmac and other interested firedogs -
McTraining
Root Camp
Campaign Boot Camp – Christine Pelosi
there is a serious ton of this stuff on the toobz – found these by googling ‘Campaigning 101′ and ‘Campaign Basics’
and again, check with your local Dems – should be offering lots of basic training
Oh, I bet the women of NO were really interested to hear this Repub who has helped so much with recovery; just tear down public housing and send dangerous trailers.
And what is he saying about lawsuits? If we have a law, we get lawsuits. Maybe he doesn’t understand what a law does. Yep, once again, I don’t get it.
Isn’t this grand war adventure just the all-time bestest idea evah? I for one am soooo glad that mean old Saddam is gone. Probably never paid for those weapons Rummy dropped off in ‘84 anyhow. Damn deadbeat.
I guess now that we are all paying the CheneyBurtonMess O’PotamianWarHydrocarbonTax we’ll just have to suck it up and get used to it or our new corporate masters at ChevTexExMo will be well and thoroughly pissed that we can’t just accept our fates have us locked up as troublemakers. After all, if the can’t get you to pay they can always get the government to pay for you as you languish in a corporate prison cell somewhere in Amerika.
The political genius of Clusterfuck and Rove was to take the reactionary fear of the religious right and add MONEY as an inducement to it’s leaders. Money for “faith based services”. Money for “vouchers” that’ll get spent at christian schools…”you religious leaders can be drivin around in Mercedes if ya stick with us”
It’s a kind of genius all right.
That last was posted just in case there are any out there who think that the religious right jumped on GW Clusterfuck cause they thought he was so HOLY—they saw MONEY..
Guess I’m a little cynical.
Tax-free, of course and as long as they (the right-wing nuts) control the IRS, unquestioned.
I guess I will have to go to work before I gag. When I talked about the war/$$, a friend said back, “Well, what Would you spend the money on?” with a tone and a challenge. I honestly cannot get those words out of my head. My daughter says, “Breathe.” I trying, but crying. But McSame says let’s take off the gas tax, a suggestion that apparently does no good.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I’m still waiting for the IRS investigations concerning those Justice Sunday events.
The shrubbery appealed to the “God wants you (and by that I mean ME) to be filthy rich” branch of religious thinking.
“I have no help to send, therefore I must go myself.”
Tolkien The Return of the King
It’s been great reading you all this a.m. Off to work, & keep up the good fight. So many read here I’m sure, that don’t ever comment. You give them something to hold on to, especially this year & right now.
It’s an easy, cheap shot at “you’re not ready”
In NW Indiana, my tulips are finally blooming! I just discovered that tulips close up at night and open again in the morning! Winter was just toooo long this year.
Anyone know if you can plant tulip bulbs in the summer for next spring, when it’s obvious where the holes and thin spots are in the tulip beds?
I don’t think it can be said enough, that the conditions and state of affairs in America are the result of years of hard work by the Republicans and thei media lackeys.
This is the fruition of their Norquistian dreams.
-G
Excellent analysis of the Obama/Clinton divide:
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1112
Gotta run, Mrs. Fish fell down and injured herself a while ago at work. She’s fine, with minor bruises that require naught more than a splint for her sprained wrist and a bit of makeup for her chin (so she tells me)…
(((selise)))
just for you – from the above linked Book Salon thread II
Thank you for this Christy! Can’t emphasize enough the importance of planting seeds for the long term. I plan to put most of my efforts this year into growing the next generation of statewide officeholders who can move up the ranks four, eight, twelve years down the road.
We have to think long term, not just November.
More and better Democrats!
i just called senator voinavich’s office and told derek (same guy i spoke with monday, talked to a girl tuesday) to tell him that with his nay vote he just created an activist…
said how many calls and letters i’d already sent out and it was only 11:20am…….did he have any idea how much work that was? that that was how much it matters…..and the day has just begun.
he said it was procedural thing the democrats did is why he voted nay….
i said, if someone was bleeding in front of me in the street, and a car was coming to run them over, i wouldn’t give a shite about the car, i would save the person…..
told him people talk about women in other countries in burkas and yet it’s happening right here.
they’re gonna send me a letter about his vote.
told him i would be calling him a lot, that he’s gonna get to know me. he laughed.
Iam sorry. Take care & let us know.
Yep – remember, Cheney, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld took almost 30 years of hiding in the dark and working behind the scenes to bring us Chimpy, war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the economy as we know it today.
I liked the op/ed piece in WaPo by Ignatius who argues that all the presidential candidates are pretending that there are easy answers to the problems brought onto this nation by gooper incompetence. He argues that whoever wins is going to have hell to pay when it becomes obvious that the only partial solutions will be long and painful– like gettin all yer teeth pulled…
I believe that he is absolutely right- but probably naive when he posits that voters would actually welcome someone talkin straight to em rather than sellin snake oil.
What Would You Spend the Money On ?
damn hippy quakers :D
thank you!
i just hope we find a way not to become what we now fight against.
Might it take that long to undo? My grandson will be grown, and I will/maybe dead. We better get to work.
What I can’t see is why havn’t the debate been framed as “What about the children?”. I have seen only one spot that framed the issue of our children paying for our sloth. Every time that the right says tax and spend, we should say borrow and spend and point out that it is our kids who will have to pay the bills. BTW, I thought it was a compelling ad, but there needs to be more. I’m at an age where my kids are starting to think about kids of their own and I don’t want them to grow up in an impovershed world.
Thank you for that link…how many ways to say tragic.
G’mornin’ firepups. Whu’sup?
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I been workin’ all night and hafta get some sleep here in a bit but I would like to offer a thought about why this assault on the “liberal consensus” was successful and what it’s gunna take ta get “more and better Democrats”.
First of all, I grew up as an original of the baby boom and I remember how “revolutionary” the Kennedy campaign and short 3 years of administration felt. Think about that…that a son of one of the richest families in the country, avid anti-communist, catholic and patrician would become the holder of the lamp of progress passed on by a generation of union activists, socialists, liberals and secularists who had shared the experience of the Depression with the common folks. The common experience of struggle and shared consequences led to an assumption of a common set of values that were supposed to transcend differences of class and assured a shared progress for the larger group from generation to generation. These shared values provided people with the freedom to hope and in 1960 they deposited that hope in the patrician son of a former bootlegger to change the direction of the country and lead it away from the enduring shadow of hunger and deprivation. There was fear in 1960, fear of nuclear holocaust and fear of a return to economy of shortage and despair but the shared values, the “liberal consensus”, allowed for a common hope for the strength and vision to progress beyond those fears.
What shattered that “liberal consensus”, that shared consciousness? The assassination of JFK and the politics of war led directly to the new politics of fear , triangulation and division. Richard Nixon and the “Southern Strategy” replaced a politics driven by a shared consciousness with a politics of difference, division and fear of the other. The politics of race and fear of the “alien” replaced the “liberal consensus” and the consciousness of the common good was replaced with the consciousness of capitalism and the individual. The war profiteering from 1963 through 1975 and the differed costs of the social welfare state led directly to a splintering of a sense of shared economic progress. The politics of division and fear was driven by the old fear of the shared experience of want and deprivation and the lamp of “liberal” hope was extinguished by the bullets in Dallas and the napalm in Southeast Asia.
Does this sound familiar, the politics of fear, the demands of compulsory patriotism driven by “troops in the field”? Well, it wasn’t a bunch of “conservative activists who used [Goldwater’s] candidacy to rebuild American politics from the grassroots” that killed the “liberal consensus”. It was war capitalism and the corporate oligarchy that ran the engine that used the American treasury to launder wealth into the hands of a few while turning the institutions of the national government into instruments of social control and division. The shared consciousness of the “liberal consensus” was replaced by the psychology of the chain gang. The “new conservative movement” was paid for by the profits of the war economy and the great corporations and the families who controlled them.
So before we get “more and better Democrats” we’re gunna hafta regain a sense of shared values and common purpose and to regain a sense of entitlement to vote our common interests. To do that we’re gunna need a leader that understands that to lead is to follow where the lamp of hope shines and to listen to where the people want to go and follow ‘em there. That’s the choice we are faced with right now…to choose the leader, if there is one in the field, that is capable of shattering the hold of the psychology of fear and capitalism and carrying the light of hope for folks to follow. Argue all ya wanna but I know who that leader is NOT…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND AND NO “DO-OVERS”!!!
38 US troops have died in Iraq so far this month. It appears that the six month “post surge” decline in casualties may be coming to a close.
We already have record numbers sayin that Clusterfuck’s war was a mistake- and Clusterfuck himself is playin limbo with his approval ratings.
If casualties begin to spike up again as well- then the goopers can kiss the govt. goodbye for twenty years or so.
Given the ages of some of this crowd, they’ve made this mess..and they (and none of theirs) will ever have to pay. And John McCain has the unmitigated gall to say that women need more education and training? Sorry, John…I WAS BORN READY FOR THIS FIGHT.
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Mary Ann Gifford: You fuckin’ fascist! Did you see the film we made at the San Reno jail breakout demonstrating the rising up of the seminal prisoner class infrastructure?!
Laureen Hobbs: You can blow the seminal prisoner class infrastructure out your ass! . I’m not knockin’ down my goddamn distribution charges!
The Great Ahmed Khan: (Shoots a pistol in the air) Give her the fucking overhead clause!
:D
Yeah, I just read that. McBu’ush, does your Trophy Wifey agree?
selise at 114
i’ve seen lots of signs that we already are…locally, and here on fdl……and i stomp on it when i see it.
and nationally ed schultz is not only condoning it, but encouraging it. i’ve lost count of the letters i’ve sent his way, and told him i now quit listening, except for an occaisonal check-in to see if he’s still doing it, each time he is, i take one more step to get him off of the air here…..our local station owner is already shopping for a replacement show, gonna replace ed or alex jones……he’s tallying it…..so, ed’s butt is outta here if he chooses to be rush limbaugh….which he now is in my opinion…and i told him that. repeatedly…
his choice.
bbl
Hey- that’s pretty good- “Stay the Corpse”.:
the price of everything,
just got back from the grocery store :(
I Live to Serve.
;)
norskeflamerthrower – you are an inspiration. thank you.
Somethin odd’s goin on. Just a few months ago- goopers were makin messes of themselves with “the surge is workin” jerkoffs.
Lately- one doesn’t hear it.
It’s QUIET out there- TOO quiet.
Be sure to thank Preznit Bush and his Republic Party for skillfully guiding the US Dollar to record lows.
and speaking of ’same old’-raum emmanuel was on charlie rose last night, and p and g ceo, haven’t had a chance to watch it yet…
siegelman was on tavis……
We need to do the same thing in the next several election that Lucci does in this:
Their point should be thirteen. At least. With honest, verifiable voting in place for everyone. (Question to bring up, every time they start talking about electronic voting: how can they trust systems where they can’t verify that they’re fair and honest? Why do they think we’re different on that?)
Well there can only be solution to this and that is to make David Petraeus CENTCOM commander and Ray Odierno head of forces in Iraq. That way we can have continuity in our failure there and tie the hands of the next President. See it all works out, sort of, kind of, well maybe not.
They’re just busy retooling to blame the Democrats for all problems. Harry and Nancy stand ready to allow that to happen.
Oh, you mean like this, and this?
(Tracking the correlations of oil and rice price hikes as a function of the USD decline relative to the Euro)
Linky.
Ignatius points out this mornin that McBush’s “I’ll see Bush’s tax cuts and raise him fifteen more tax cuts” may not be the most responsible policy to be sellin to an america chokin in debt.
Wonder if anyone else will have similar thoughts.
Republics are not happy when you look behind the curtains of their self serving policies.
one of the things that has stuck with me from reading milgram and zimbardo is that our cultural and societal environment can have the most profound influence on us.
zimbardo has a saying, something like: it’s hard to be a sweet cucumber in a pickle barrel.
all i can say for now is that we have to help each other and remind each other to do and be our best. but i think this deserves to be discussed openly, if we’re to take a different path.
Damn fine! Norske.
My initial impression is that Bush want to set up a MacArthur/Truman scenario. Paving the way lambast a Dem president for not paying attention to the commanders on the ground.
lol, i went this morning too.
but i wasn’t laughing when i paid the bill.
Every time I gas up…jeesh.
Just about every day, I trapse to the nursing homes wherein my ailing parents are now in their respective twilights. About seven bucks round-trip each time.
just wow.
just did one last thing before going outside, it was buggin’ me–
voinavich said he voted nay because of procedural issues, democrats wouldn’t allow amendments-
i just called his office and said i want a written answer—
when the republicans were in control of the senate and did the same thing to the democrats, how many times did he vote nay because it ’wasn’t correct procedure’?
bbl
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Citizen HelplessDancer:
We know what the fascists are plannin’ ta do with the war and the defeat of our troops in the field. Hitler and the Nazis did the same thing from 1926 to 1933 and George Bush’s grandfather was one of the students and followers and pofiteers of the Nazis…the question is “what are we gunna do about it?” We need to chose a leader of our anti-fascist movement and it should be easy there are only three choices…actually there is only one choice of the three left. Which one would be willing to lead an anti-fascist, progressive movement and which ones are committed to destroyin’ that movement. Simple, no?
Now I gotta go ta bed…I love you all even if ya got a different chromosome set than I do, so keep the flames burnin’ ’til I ken come back and catch up.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!
Yeah. They’re in different places, ‘cuz his has a VA contract, which covers his cost (disable WWII vet). My Ma is in a different one, she’s private pay (to the tune of about $80,000 a year). His is 14 miles away, hers 6 in the other direction. She doesn’t like the one where he’s in. I think his dementia freaks her out, which is a lot of her antipathy.
Click on both parts of Jane’s earlier series On Image. Good reminder of where the fire in firedoglake comes from.
A new dem prez will have a new sec of defense who will reshuffle the generals…
I don’t think that Clusterfuck can cause much permanent damage with this promotion.
… and an especially big THANKS, Christy, for this post, but also for everything else you do as well.
Now, as to those rumors of a Senate run, Jay does need a rest, after all …
Why not …?
If it’s just a question of money …
Thanks. A sort of sweet spot. Those are hard trips and definitely worth it. I just had that sort of travel with my mother. When I wasn’t there, I was wondering, wanting to know etc. My best.
We had been talking a while back about the guy who came home to find his stuff being removed by strangers into various cars. When he protested, they showed him copies of a craigslist ad stating he had moved and everything left was free for the taking. That is, they showed him the ads as they drove away.
Usually this is done for “revenge”, but this was different.
A pair decided to rob the home, and posted the ad as a cover for their burglery. They just got there early, joined the crowd, and took what they had been planning to steal all along.
Sneaky evil bastards are everywhere it seems.
Oh, bad guys got caught. Only a few people returned the guys stuff when the story got publicity…
If that were reframed as a poll of (either Clinton or Obama) vs. McCain, it would be a better predictor of November’s results. As it is, keeping it as separate polls serves 2/3 of the candidates and most of the media’s interests.
Good for you. We no longer get Ed, et al, so I have not heard him for some time. But I was quite glad Randi R. was axed. She had been over the line for sometime, IMO, and she just went the mile too far….way too far.
I believe that this IS separate poll questions “who would you vote for if the candidates were X and Y”?
Bless you.
Check out Republican Nemesis
Outstanding, Norske!!
Sorry, I may not have been clear. I was saying if the poll was “McCain vs your choice of Democrat”, it would be different. Isolating it as McCain vs Obama and then McCain vs Clinton doesn’t really account for those who will “come to their senses” after the Dem primary contest is over. Many people understand that they can play the poison pill by selecting McCain when asked about their non-favored Democratic nominee.
MoveOn has a petition to go out to McShame in his NO tour/9th Ward. They are collecting names/signatures right now.