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If you're a U.S. woman and aren't getting paid for doing the same work as men, it's your fault.
If you're a woman and are overweight or smoke, you're personally responsible for contributing to the sinking U.S. life expectancy rate.
If you're a woman and you ask for the same pay for doing the same job as your male co-worker, you only have a small window of time to do so. Otherwise, you're to blame if you don't figure out real fast the game is rigged against you.
In recent days, America's women have been the target of a series of such falsehoods and distortions. This week, we commemorated Equal Pay Day on April 22. That's the day women's wages catch up to what men were paid in the previous year.
So, it's a good time to examine this blame game targeting women.
An ABC News segment recently blamed the gender pay gap—U.S. women are paid 77 cents for every $1 men are paid—on women. According to ABC, women are paid less than men for doing the same job because they just don't ask for the same salary. Ellen Bravo, founder of 9to5, National Association of Working Women and author of Taking on the Big Boys, shows what's wrong with this argument.
An ABC News segment called the negotiation process “something that each of us has the ability to control....No employer has an obligation to whisper in the woman's ear, 'Hey, you know, you just lost out on more money because you didn't speak up.'”
Stories like these leave out a few important realities: The majority of women work in jobs where they have no right whatsoever to negotiate for pay. Many are like Donna, a software developer whose employment agreement lists “discussing salary with colleagues” among “fire-able offenses.” Hard to know you’re making less than others if you’re not allowed to know what the others earn.
Lilly Ledbetter didn't know she was earning far less than her male colleagues for many years. (Christy had a great live chat here with Washington, D.C., Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton on the topic this week.) The 19-year Goodyear tire plant employee in Gadsden, Ala., says she was paid less than her male counterparts. But last year, the U.S. Supreme Court said she did not file her lawsuit against Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. within 180 days after the discrimination occurred, as required by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The court let the company off the hook by calculating the deadline from the day Goodyear made its original decision to pay her less than her male colleagues. The law had previously made it clear that the clock did not start until she received her last discriminatory paycheck. The bill would remove the 180-day limit.
Yesterday, the Senate refused to join the House in telling the Supremes how wrong they were, and passed the Fair Pay Restoration Act (S. 1843), the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. The bill would have restored the ability of U.S. workers to sue for pay discrimination. (Check out DownWithTyranny on recalcitrant senators, male and female, who were opposing the vote.)
Even if the anti-Fair Pay bill Republicans in the Senate did have a clue about what it's like to work for a living and joined Democrats to pass the measure, Bush said he'd veto it.
So, let's see if we have this right: Women are paid less for doing the same job as men because they didn't ask for the same salary. But if they ask for the same salary as their male co-worker, they won't get it—unless they do so in the first six months on the job. Gotcha!
Along with blaming women for bringing home less bacon, a new study fingers women for eating more of it—and smoking to boot—and so contributing to a decreased life expectancy in 1,000 U.S. counties. As a result, the study finds life expectancy for U.S. women is lower than it was in the 1980s, the lowest, falling for the first time since the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic. Writes The Washington Post on the study:
The trend appears to be driven by increases in death from diabetes, lung cancer, emphysema and kidney failure. It reflects the long-term consequences of smoking, a habit that women took up in large numbers decades after men did, and the slowing of the historic decline in heart disease deaths.
Looking deeper into this article, we also find this:
The phenomenon appears to be not only new but distinctly American.
"If you look in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, we don't see this," Murray said. [Christopher J.L. Murray, is a physician and epidemiologist at the University of Washington who led the study.]
So life expectancy for women is not going down in other comparable countries. Maybe that means increased female obesity and smoking habits aren't caused by what the study all but screams is due to an individual's moral and physical laxity. Instead, maybe we ask, as did the recent PBS show on the topic, "Is Inequality Making Us Sick?"
Larry Adelman, executive producer of the show, puts it this way:
The single best predictor of one’s health is not diet, exercise or even smoking but class status. But it’s not only the poverty-stricken who are afflicted—after all, what would be so surprising about that?—but the middle classes as well. At each descending step down the class pyramid, from the rich to the middle to the poor, people tend to be sicker and die sooner. Top executives have, on average, better health than managers, managers fare better than supervisors and technical personnel, supervisors do better than line, service and clerical workers, and the unemployed have the worst health of all. High school dropouts die, on average, six years sooner than college graduates. In other words, it’s not CEOs who are dying of coronary heart disease but those who work for them.
What does this mean when it comes to the choices we make about what food to eat? Adelman continues:
Much of American health prevention focuses on individual behaviors. Behaviors certainly matter for health. But the choices we make are constrained by the choices we have. It’s hard to eat your five to seven fruits and vegetables a day when your neighborhood is dominated by fast-food joints and mom-and-pops and you have to take two buses to get to a supermarket.
Then there's the issue of funding for programs aimed at improving the greater good of society. Adelman writes:
Where the United States has a child poverty rate of 21 percent, Sweden, for example, has a child poverty rate of 4.2 percent—even though they have an even higher percentage of single parent families than we do. But the two countries’ social spending is reversed: Sweden spends 18 percent of its GDP on social programs—the United States less than 4 percent. Swedes live on average more than three years longer than Americans. And did I mention that 78 percent of the Swedish workforce belong to unions?
Ah, yes. The union difference. Women in unions are paid $790 a week on average, compared with $592 for wage-working women not in unions. And union members as a whole have better health care and pension coverage than do nonunion workers.
But along with killing legislation like the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, Bush has tried hard to limit, restrict and destroy unions throughout his nearly eight years in office.
As Bravo writes:
Yes, women need to learn negotiation (and the facts about labor law, which already prohibit salary secrecy, according to the National Labor Relations Board). But blaming the wage gap on women’s lack of assertiveness is like blaming sexual harassment on women’s lack of snappy comebacks….Do learn the art of negotiation. Groups like WAGE (Women Are Getting Even) offer terrific workshops and information on the Web about how to do this. But above all, learn the necessity of organizing. The best way to get what you need for yourself is to work with others on behalf of everyone for changes in workplace and public policy.
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“Life is unfair. Get over it.”
- “Anthony” Legend-In-His-Own-Mind Scalia.
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My take on this issue is that those supreme court justices who voted down Lilly’s case have indeed broken the law. By upholding Goodyear’s case they have violated the basic principles of the constitution of fairness and equality as the constitution tries do uphold. They all should be impeached for disregarding the constitution and taking the side of the rich corporations… what fucking kind of assholes are they? If it was their wife or daughter I wonder how they would have voted? Talk about liberal judges legislating from the bench WTF do you call what they have done? These issues needs to be plastered everywhere for all to see just how important it is to have Democratic control of the white house!!! The rethuglian party does not have the good of the country or it’s people in mind when they do any thing, only how to line their and their corporate buddies pockets with cash. Fuck them!!
I said this in the last thread and I’ll repeat it here: by voting against the Ledbetter act, the Rethugs were supporting a group they see as ‘their’ base: employers. Employers have forever depended on being able to get the ’sex discount’ for skills. I’m amazed that no one made the claim that if this bill were passed, even more jobs would be sent offshore - them women would be blamed for THAT, too!!
The Supremes are the law. Scalia would say “fuck ‘fairness,’ our gig is to interpret what’s constitutional.”
Thanks for this, Tula.
Behavioral choices do impact morbidity and mortality, with associated cost implications. We are on the edge of a huge increase in diabetes, only part of which can be attributed to genetics or the broken health care system; much of this is related to personal choices about diet and exercise.
However it is standard Republican BS to blame -all- increased health care costs on individuals. The truth is hiding somewhere in between.
Pity they can’t even do that right.
Impeach the Ledbetter Five!
No matter in my eyes they have not followed the law and in fact ruled against the law… thus grounds for IMPEACHMENT! I know it hasn’t happened but maybe if they see that they just might loose their cushier job they might uphold law and not change the law to suit their rich fucking buddies… ASSHOLES!! Sorry they just piss me off and it just shows how important it is that we get a democratic president who might be able to bring balance to the court!
Tula a great post and more people in this country need to be aware of what these reputhligian are doing to the American family… They are the root cause of most of the ills of this country!
Henceforth to be known as “the usual suspects.”
And, in a truly twisted piece of I don’t know what to call it, the Senate is expected to pass legislation that would bar health insurance companies from using genetic information to set premiums or determine eligibility. Similarly, employers could not use genetic information in hiring, firing or promotion decisions.
The Senate is expected to pass the measure by a large margin.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ArBJ2s0NUE
This is how the supremes should be treated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GG7sj2APpc
James Spader sure tells it like it is!!
Well, good, because biological sex is genetic.
I missed getting this info into Christy’s last post but here’s contact information to email or write to Goodyear, like I just did, to tell them you will never buy another Goodyear (or Dunlop/Kelly Tires/Sava/Fulda) tire because of Goodyear’s mistreatment of Lilly Ledbetter and all the other women who have the misfortune to work for them.
http://www.goodyear.com/email/faq.html
Write or call our Corporate Headquarters:
The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company
1144 East Market Street
Akron, Ohio 44316-0001
(330) 796-2121
Fax: (330) 796-2222
Why is this twisted?
This really is an outrage!
so where is the outrage?
ooh nahant, I was just gonna post that!
I don’t disagree with your fury. It just ain’t gonna happen though. And, if McBu’ush gets in, we’ll end up with an Oligarchy Supreme Court that will cement the loss of democracy.
I just loved watching Boston Legal the other night… We try to never miss an episode. They often argue cases that are so in tune with what is going on in this country!
Equal pay has to be linked to equal worth/equal value.
Then, get the message out that those who voted against this are reinforcing the idea that women have less worth/value than men and they happen to be Repub politicians.
Hang this around John McCain’s neck and equate it with society’s tolerance for violence against women … if men were subject to such violence by women, there would be laws drafted in a heart beat.
Turn the tables against them and badge them constantly … this is reprehensible !
That should be “badger”, not “badge”
will do.
To the phones!
To the faxes!
We take this
To the maxes!
Thanks, I am forwarding this to all my contacts.
Mods, can this info. be included in all forthcoming posts ?
While James Spader’s rant on Boston Legal was purely fictional, the best thing was that it was on TeeVee and so many sheep don’t know that he’s not a real lawyer and that was not the actual court. I suspect that if what he said might have made 100 sheep go “huh?” then it was worthwhile. Those 100 sheeple might go do some checking and see that even though he’s fictional his references weren’t.
Hopefully then they’ll not only go “huh?” but get pissed, in an informed way. Go David E. Kelley, Boston Legal and your writers!
Just call it what it really is CLASS WARFARE but in this case it is also gender discrimination! Class warfare needs to be hung around every rethulian as much as they protest that it isn’t we need to just show how true it is the list of items is enormous… just take the Bush tax breaks 99% of it goes to just 1% of the people, if thats not class warfare what is. Ask the bastard what is the definitation of it then?
Hey, nahant, you’re taking my linky! Only kidding, I hope more people get to see it. I posted it yesterday in a comment only about a few up from the bottom of the comments. I thougt it was well worth watching!
Yes, it was a total fantasy but awesome to watch, esp. knowing,as you say, many uninformed folks will get a little informed.
And most of the time, they try the cases from the progressive prospective!
thank you for posting it! otherwise I’d never have seen it.
Morning Tula! I probably should drink a cup of chamomile tea before jumping in here. This is a really dirty game.
I was a recruiting contractor for several years in the Valley. I worked on site for each gig and partnered with HR and the Exec team. Let me give you the low down dirty on women in the work place and equal pay.
First, rarely is the work situation equal pay. When it is it’s because the person at the top is truly fair-minded. Not because of general practice.
In the typical company, women work damned hard unless she is the mistress of her boss and his wife is in the suburbs. That is usually a temporary situation and doesn’t carry you to the next job.
Yoko Ono hit the nail on the head. Women are the n…..s of the world. I didn’t see where black women were paid any less than white women. Women got screwed on the amount of work plus their pay.
The hardest and most demanding jobs often go to women like an executive administrative assistant. I could never do this job. You need lots of skills and you are working non stop. In SF men thought they would like this job until they got into it. They were shocked at the skill level and stress level for so little pay. If a company wanted a male admin they had to pay a lot more and he wanted an assistant to help him. Amazing isn’t it?
Compensation is NEVER allowed to be discussed. This is confidential.
Sometimes I feel like the independence of women has gone backwards.
Ann As I had said yesterday I had already sent that clip to everyone on my e-mail list :>) I just wish it was a true story…. We here in this household truly love Boston Legal… It doesn’t hurt that I grew up their and my
DFad and Uncle ran the parking lot that was across the street from the court before they took out Scully Square and erected Government Center. They were friends with all of the judges…. Dad never paid a ticket ever!! The judge took care of… So they made sure his car had a special place in the parking lot
After 6 hours of writing a book on self improvement, I feel compelled to pause and send this note to Goodyear:
Dear Sir,
After more than 20 years as your customer, I am writing to say that I will never buy another Goodyear or
Dunlop Tire because of Goodyear’s mistreatment of Lilly Ledbetter and all the other women who have had the misfortune to work for you.
Women deserve equal pay & equal respect and Corporations like yours who deny them their Constitutional right should be ashamed to call themselves American.
Your CEO and Board should be equally ashamed, they are certainly morally bankrupt. I will be encouraging everyone I know to stop buying your products as a show of solidarity to our wives, mothers and daughters, who deserve fair treatment.
Yours Sincerely …
i posted this in the last thread-goodyear and the defense department have a very important relationship.
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and lilly ledbetter worked for goodyear, my uncle worked for goodyear……first for the guggenheim institute that was housed there, then for goodyear……
keep in mind that there still is a research hangar there that is used/on hold by the defense department, so big it has it’s own atmosphere, it rains indoors…..one of the only ones in the world, so they keep it up and ready to use……akron, ohio…..
it’s at goodyear. think about it. interesting, huh?
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1-800-450-8293 switchboard to call senators…..it is legal for an employer to discriminate against a woman for her entire career with them, except for 180 days…….6 months.
i asked for a written response from voinavich—who said he voted nay because democrats violated procedures about amendments–i asked when the republicans were in control of the senate and did that to the dems, how many times did he vote ’nay’ in protest?
See number 12 - it’s ok to discriminate against women in terms of pay because they won’t pass Ledbetter…but for genetic information…they’ll pass it. Just totally nuts.
Hi, QuakerGirl:
In many ways, women in this country are going backwards. The pay gap was getting better and then slid back again in the past few years. Under Bush and his Corporate-run government, the entire country is going backwards.
EPU’s re: the last thread, CHS asked us to consider financial and other contributions to Blue America candidates.
I just received an update email from Greg Fisher, Blue America candidate for Kentucky. For even a small donation, we can not only lift up their campaigns, but we get updates and positive vibes. A nice thing to find in your In Box.
A snippet from his email:
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“I’m pleased to have the support of the Women’s Caucus-an instrumental, political group who votes according to their principles,” said Fischer. “Women voters deserve someone they can trust to represent their values in the Senate and I am honored to have their endorsement.”
The Kentucky Women’s Political Caucus (KWPC), was established in 1972 as a multi-partisan organization, to increase women’s participation in the political process and to identify, recruit, train and support feminist women for election and appointment to public office.
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Yeppers. I posted the Youtube link to that in the last thread.
So true.
And how far have we come? Not very, if at all.
If I change a few words, and call it mine–on my own letterhead–is it considered plagiarism? (Thanks for the guide.)
The whole women and pay issue is close to my family. While I am a union member (and proud of it), my cousin isn’t (and couldn’t be, she’s senior management). She has had a series of assignments for her company over the years that somehow after she turns them around, go to men who make more and do half the work she did as a “turn-around” specialist.
Needless to say, she keeps track of all that, just in case the day comes that they decide she makes too much, and needs to be shown the door with a half-open brass parachute, a handshake and a swift kick in the ass.
Whatever ‘they’ can get away with by CLAIMING it ‘Constitutional’.
The Supreme Court is not above BAD law, they sit on it - ask Dredd Scott …
This morning I also heard that children in our country have a considerably shorter life expectancy than before because of the terrible food and TV they are consuming. The numbers of today’s Latino children that will have diabetes later in life is 50% followed by 40% of AA children and 30% of white children.
That is of course if they grow to be adults, with the current regimes conspiring to make sure we all die from something like a nuke-u-lar war.
I see Reid voted NAY…WTF?
YES YES!!
An error has occured: You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down!
WTF I didn’t know I was faster than the MODS :>)
[Mod: No, you’re not]
Apparently to keep the issue alive and using the arcane and completely obtuse rules of the Senate, to be able to bring the legislation back to the floor.
I could tell you I understand Quantum Physics and Senate Procedure, but I’d be lying like a Bush on both counts.
The Leader usually changes his vote from YAY to NAY if it’s clear the cloture bill won’t pass. This enables him to bring it up to the Senate floor at a later time.
From the end of the previous thread:
I have been a Goodyear consumer for more than 40 years. I cannot begin to tell you how disappointed I am with your decision to appeal the Ledbetter decision as far as necessary to avoid responsibility. Obviously, your lobbying and political dollars have been well-spent.
While I am only one customer, I AM one (former) customer. Needless to say, I will now engage in my own form of lobbying, encouraging my family and friends to follow my pledge: to never buy another product of Goodyear-origin.
Your mistreatment of women in general, and Ms. Ledbetter in particular, should bring shame to your corporate conscience, embarrass your executives and board members, and point to the moral bankruptcy that your actions emphasize.
My action alone will not impact your bottom line—which seems to be the only metric you consider in formulating policy. But other mothers, other daughters, other wives can do no less than share my outrage. Our voices will be heard.
I spent most of my career as an administrative assistant and Quakergirl is absolutely correct, it’s a bitch of a job. I usually did the lion’s share of my boss’ job.
Ironically, with the tsunami of technological gadgets, there are far fewer admin ass’t jobs available now. The pockets at the top have actually cut a lot of those positions, so the middle-management Guys have to do more of their own work. Interesting. But, a lot of us have had to dumb-down our resumes for lower paying positions. And, rarely, are these positions covered by Unions.
OT but still important… news from Moveon!
Yes you see women who’ve worked longer and have more degrees, not get promoted over younger guys they’ve trained, and work at Stop and Shop in the evening to supplement the income–I am thinking of someone in particular– and still we have people who believe what Kate O’beirne tells them, blame the victim etc. Not to different in dynamics from other types of discrimination. Trying to explain that women get pink-ghetto’d to some people is like banging your head against a wall.
Here’s some CT news:
CT Republikans will kiss Henry Kissingers ring tommorrow
Also, I just learned that Karl Rove spoke at Choate Rosemary Hall. The headmasters defense (alumni magazine) was hogwash. I could scream.
Any other institutions want to invite Rove or Gonzales?!?
The disappearing comment… dam too much for our MODS to handle … they try for the good of all of us!
[Mod: how fast can you refresh? ]
Faster than MSDOS? Not hard. Oh, wait, you said MODS…dyslexia strikes again…LOL!
The error message was pink on my screen.
Ha! I thought that was the definition of Republikan: right wing bigot. Or pandering to right-wing bigots. Or pandering to the mad-bomber of Cambodia, and kissing his ring.
It has appeared Thank you Mods! :>)
Prolly not the mods.
Sometimes there are the little glitches here and there.
I was just going to post the same thing from Moveon.
More good news in our InBoxes. :)
I hope they’re not planning on paying Hillary the same as Bush got.
Must just b e quick on the
drawkeyboard today!Make sure you sign the petition:
Pink collar jobs are the worst jobs out there IMO. High stress, low wage, even lower prestige.
Pink? Well, at least the error-trapping here is fashionable. Better than a “blue screen of death”. :)
I meant, but forgot, to add that our Mods are the Best!
And, that glitches are usually just hiccups in the system that the mods have to fix.
Thank you to all the Mods. You hard workers, you (all).
And you can’t afford to buy those fruits and veggies, even if there’s a store handy. The stuff you can afford is probably high-fat, high-sugar cr*p.
If they’re going to subsidize agriculture, maybe they ought to put the money into fruit and vegetable production (and beekeeping), instead of sugar and corn.
It could have been worse. Rove was initially going to be the commencement speaker at Choate until the students rebelled. The headmaster’s “compromise” was to invite KKKarl to speak and then make himself the commencement speaker IIRC.
Also, IIRC from the Courant’s coverage of the Rove speech, there was a young lady who confronted KKKarl in a fashion similar as that used by the young woman confronting Ashcroft at Knox the other evening. She had the facts on her side and all KKKarl had was his spinning.
FWIW, I see a comment from you with a WHOLE lot of links. And my understanding is that a lot of links makes the filters angry and causes more WORK for the Mod squad.
Has anybody explained Harry “Jellyfish” f*cking Reid’s “nay” vote on this bill? What a worthless majority leader this fool is!
I signed.
MoveOn represents me.
Who else?
I wish you hadn’t said that, now one of us is doomed to see it this day.
It’s like conjuring up darkblack
Explained upthread. Changed vote to NAY so he could bring it up again at a later time.
Yes, it has been explained multiple times. As Christy mentioned at the bottom of her last post, it was a procedural vote. Reid initially voted Yes but flipped his vote to No when it become obvious Cloture was going to fail.
By doing this, he has standing to bring the issue back up again later in the session.
So back off the outrage please. There are many reasons to get upset at Reid and Company. This is NOT one of them.
LOL… well, as a Mac user I don’t have that particular issue, just others that don’t involve the OS. There’s no problem on an Apple that can’t be fixed with enough money. :(
The WaPo story on the health story is misleading.
Look at this passage:
“By the early 1980s, however, the rapid gains were coming to an end. The low-hanging fruit on the tree of heart-attack prevention and treatment had been picked. Further strides tended to happen mostly in places where people were already healthy and long-lived.”
Who said that? One of the researchers? Is that the reporters opinion? Fact is that no only did the US decline in mortality level off in the early 1980s, it DIVERGED from that of most other countries that conitnued with a substantial delcine. Smoking increased among women in other countries as well as in the US, at about the same time it increased in the US. Increasing obesity is not only a problem in the US, and also in UK, Australia and New Zeland.
Doe the reporters bother to read the articles the report on?
The study found that life expectancies of men are decreasing in many counties as well, though not to the same extent of women.
The articles is about health care disparities and a collapse of certain public health functions in the US. And the rate of increase in life expectancies of women overall may have taken a big hit over the last 25 years, not just the poorest. Poor individual health habits alone are unlikely to explain that.
The article is one in a series on measures of population health in the US, and they are easy to obtain. Just search for ‘PLoS Medicine” or go to
http://medicine.plosjournals.o…..=1549-1676
The intutive ideas behind the articles are not difficult, and technical stuff can be skipped or skimmed without losing the main ideas.
I know but the linkys are part of the communication from MoveOn!!
Sorry, meant to type:
And the rate of increase in life expectancies of women IN THE US overall may have taken a big hit over the last 25 years
Life expectancies of women are increasing at about the same rate or faster in most developed countries. But not in the US, except maybe for the upper 20% income levels (that is in another recent PLoS Medicine article, first author is Krieger)
we could each do right by the bees and learn in the process with observation hives:
Observation Beehives
If you’re a woman running to be selected as the Democratic nominee for POTUS you should understand that no matter how much more qualified you are than you male opponent, and him a black man thus more deserving to boot, you need to put your aspirations, the aspirations of millions of other women aside and throw in the towel so that the convention will not be marred by unseemly hysterics on the part of you female supporters.
After all the Republicans are expressing a preference for your manly opponent and what the Republicans want the Democrats are bound to deliver.
So….
Recognize that despite a majority of the voters being women and despite your having kicked your opponents manly butt in all the big states the nominee needs to win in November and do the right thing.
The womanly thing.
Quit.
I haven’t had BSD yet with Vista… Xp and previous Mickey soft ware are notorious for the BSD (Blue Screen of Death) But you know the information presented on the BSD can be used to trouble shoot the problem…that is if you know how to utilize it!
Well, the options then are to not copy the entire communication from MoveOn OR to wait a few minutes before complaining that the comment has not appeared so that the Mods can do their magic and get it released .
Yeah, if you can decrypt the error message, it’s as clear as mud. ;) About 90% of the time it’s a “driver” issue.
Ledbetter ruling ranks only slightly behind bush v Gore as the worst of modern justice. Any chance of Roberts stated desire for large majority decisions flew out the window. His court will be known as the 5/4 court.
Am I missing the “snark” or “ironic” warning note?
Thanks for the clarification, and I understand the process, but with all due respect, I’ll employ my outrage as I see fit. Reid has folded far too many times on far too many critical concerns to get the benefit of the doubt.
I’m never prepared for when it occurs. but I fear it.
Jop most of those messGES ARE COVERED IN MICKEYSOFTS KNOWLEDGE BASE ALONG WITH POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS… i HAVE USED THAT INFO MANY TIMES TO FIUX THE PROBLEM… AND YES MANY PROBLEMS ARE CAUSE =D BY DRIVERS… WHICH USUALLY ARE NOT WRITTEN BY MICKEYSOFT….+
Not to be confused with BSD :)
Did I mention wubi today?
Amen!